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Sudan’s justice minister, US official discuss legal reforms


Abdel Bari (C) poses with Tibor Nagy (L) and Donald Booth in Washington on 6 Feb 2020 (State Dept photo)
February 7, 2020 (KHARTOUM) - Tibor Nagy U.S. Assistant Secretary for African affairs Thursday discussed legal reforms in Sudan with Justice Minister Nasr al-din Abdel Bari.

"Good meeting with Sudanese Minister of Justice Abdel Bari yesterday. We spoke about Sudan’s plans for legal reform," said Nagy in a tweet on Friday.

Also, he added that the meeting discussed the ongoing investigation by the independent investigation commission into the bloody attack on the pro-democracy sit-in on 3 June 2019.

The discussion come within the framework of a process by the US administration to rescind Sudan’s designation as a state sponsor of terrorism.

At the end of January, Abdel Bari deposited several bills proposing to amend or repeal articles from the criminal law.

The submitted proposals include the abolition of an related to the “Apostasy” and the adoption of a new article banning it in the future.

The proposals also included the deletion of the punishment of flogging, prohibition of the death penalty for children under the age of (18) years, and allowing non-Muslims to drink and trade with alcohol.

Nagy concluded his statement by recalling "the importance of establishing the Transitional Legislative Council".

The transitional government said awaiting the signing of a peace deal with the rebel groups before the formation of the transitional parliament.


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  • 8 February 2020 13:20, by Fathi

    "allowing non-Muslims to drink and trade with alcohol"
    Well then why not allow weed too? We can grow it in the El Gezira scheme. That’s what the masters are doing in America now. Maybe we can sell some of our fertile land to America, like we did for the arabs, so they can cultivate some weed.

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    • 8 February 2020 21:03, by ThaGoblin

      Because it shouldn’t have been banned in the first place. We non Muslim sudanese have been forced to follow Islamic law. Why does it bother you if non Muslims trade alcohol?

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    • 8 February 2020 21:09, by ThaGoblin

      AND to answer your weed issue, sudan farms weed in areas far larger then algzera scheme. A huge portion of sudanese both young and old consume weed as well as alcohol. Whether you like it or not people are going to keep doing so no matter how much you try

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    • 8 February 2020 21:18, by ThaGoblin

      Instead of pushing these consumers to the shadows of an underground economy, where you don’t earn a single pound from tax, you fund criminal organizations, hurt your citizens buy forcing them to buy below standard products, you can regulate these substances to fund huge media campaigns and recovery centers.

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    • 8 February 2020 21:24, by ThaGoblin

      We are tired of the way the old generation handled things. These old ways have proved their failure over the years with citizens baring the burnt. We want a modern nations where logic comes before our backward mentality.

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    • 8 February 2020 21:31, by ThaGoblin

      I’m not just rambling from abroad btw, the old regime has strangled the youth from entertainment let it be clubs, unisex activities, art, etc. You know the results? The youth didn’t become more god loving. They are now full blown drug addicts. Pills and weed is the alternative.

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      • 9 February 2020 02:58, by Fathi


        I intend to respond to this within the next hour.

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        • 9 February 2020 03:42, by Fathi

          First of all let’s get something straight. The Sudanese people didn’t vote for sharia law. It was implemented in the 1980’s by a military dictator who came to power by military coup. I wasn’t advocating for Islamic law in my statement. I thought that was clear since I didn’t mention any of the other laws mentioned. In fact, I even asked why not weed too...

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          • 9 February 2020 03:58, by Fathi

            I also never said it bothers me that non muslims drink or trade in alcohol. But since you brought up islamic laws, let’s talk about it. Alcohol consumption and marketing isn’t just an islamic issue, it’s also a societal issue. There were also alcohol prohibition laws in America that were passed into law by certain Christian groups.

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            • 9 February 2020 04:23, by Fathi

              I thought it was clear that I was trolling about El Gezira scheme. I even said let’s sell our land to America so they can grow the weed for us.
              I was also taking a jab at the idiots who sold our fertile land to the arabs so they can farm in our land. We sold a million acres to Saudi alone. We should’ve farmed the land, sold the final products to the arabs, so we get more $ & lower unemployment

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              • 9 February 2020 04:33, by Fathi

                I had 3 issues when I wrote my original post.
                1) I mentioned America specifically because we shouldn’t have to discuss our legal reforms with America. I believe America is infringing upon Sudan’s sovereignty. If Sudan’s laws violate the man-made UN human rights laws, then the conversation should be discussed with the UN not US.

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                • 9 February 2020 04:42, by Fathi

                  1 continued) If America is sincere, why doesn’t it discuss these laws with their ally Saudi Arabia? Sudan’s government is clearly under pressure due to the economic crisis which is partially due to US sanctions under the SST. I fear Sudan is capitulating to all US demands in order to remove those sanctions. I also believe the US is moving goal posts when making these false promises.

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                  • 9 February 2020 04:46, by Fathi

                    1 continued) Legal reforms should be made by Sudanese due to believing in the laws, not because the US said so. Otherwise, a future dictator could repeal those laws and Sudanese people will be complacent with the decision. We should know why this is the right move for us, without foreign governments influencing our judiciary branch.

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                    • 9 February 2020 05:00, by Fathi

                      2) My second issue/question is that legal reforms indicate that we don’t have sharia law, so why does the law regarding alcohol only apply to non-muslims?

                      3) No, you didn’t answer my question about weed. I was candid when I asked about weed. If we are going to legalize alcohol, then why not include weed too.

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                      • 9 February 2020 05:04, by Fathi

                        3 continue) Shit, we could probably export a good amount too. We could easily market it. Forget Afghan Kush or the so-called "O.G. Kush", we reside in ancient Kush.

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                        • 9 February 2020 05:16, by Fathi

                          In response to your statements, the question is why did we legalize it? Did we legalize it to reduce overall use, for substance safety, reduce crime, tax it for financial incentive, for entertainment, for religious freedom?
                          If it was to reduce use, then they should’ve sited the studies that support that.

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                          • 9 February 2020 05:27, by Fathi

                            If they legalized it for the reasons that you mentioned, then they should’ve legalized more than just alcohol ...

                            Do you have any research articles or studies to support your claims that "a huge portion of sudanese both young and old consume weed as well as alcohol"?

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                            • 9 February 2020 05:33, by Fathi

                              Don’t get me wrong, I went to visit recently and heard some people using weed & pills. It wasn’t like that a couple years ago. I’ve even heard that some in the government were pushing it. Instead of blaming the rise due to it being illegal, couldn’t it be due to something else?

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                              • 9 February 2020 05:43, by Fathi

                                Could it be due to corruption in security forces who are pushing it? I’ve heard that is the case. Could the rise be due to the high unemployment, which led to feelings of depression, which is associated with substance abuse?

                                There are a number of reasons for the rise in substance abuse and legalizing it will likely not reduce use.

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                                • 9 February 2020 05:52, by Fathi

                                  Forget alcohol, how about we just legalize all drugs then? lol

                                  Yes, I know people will use substances whether I like it or not. Will normalizing substance use improve the situation though?

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                                  • 9 February 2020 05:56, by Fathi

                                    Legalizing substances for financial incentive from taxes is unethical.
                                    If the goal is to use that money for media campaigns and recovery centers. Then why don’t we keep prohibiting it while still funding media campaigns and recovery centers? We could also allocate more $ to the government’s drug enforcement agency if the peace deal goes through.

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                                    • 9 February 2020 06:03, by Fathi

                                      There are entertainment activities that are also unisex but aren’t clubs. There aren’t more entertainment activities in Sudan because there is a lack of money due to sanctions, corruption, & never ending civil wars.

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                                      • 9 February 2020 06:12, by Fathi

                                        You act like the so-called islamic laws the dictators introduced were intended to make the youth more god fearing. They weren’t. They were introduced to stifle dissent and mask their corruption & failures. They would easily pay a corrupt sheikh to pass a bogus fatwa or interpret things in a way that pleased them.

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                                        • 9 February 2020 06:28, by Fathi

                                          For example, if we had islamic law we wouldn’t be 60 billion in debt from all these loans. Islam forbids interest. We took many loans with crazy interest rates. Now tell me. Have you heard these corrupt sheikhs complaining about that? No. How about the closure of churches? No. How about torture? No. How about corruption? No. How about all the murders? No. I can go on for days.

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                                          • 9 February 2020 06:33, by Fathi

                                            We muslim & non-muslim sudanese have been forced to follow a corrupt system that was referred to as islamic law. In reality, it had nothing to do with islam. We all know the elections were a lie. The only reason we had them is so Bashir could tell the international community he wasn’t a dictator.

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                                            • 9 February 2020 06:52, by ThaGoblin

                                              Okay i respect your views and sarcasm lol. I assumed you were against the adjustment of laws concerning non-muslims because you mentioned the legalization of other substances as well.

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                                            • 9 February 2020 07:01, by ThaGoblin

                                              you mentioned that sudanese never voted for the implementation of islamic law if was forced. the only reason that certain dictator was able to implement these laws was that it was widely accepted within the elite arab society. That was a regional issue with other countries leaning to the conservative side. And from a nonmuslims perspective i wouldnt of had a problem

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                                            • 9 February 2020 07:08, by ThaGoblin

                                              If i didnt involve non believers. Yes i can agree that the gov implemented these measures for their own benefit. But after decades under islamic rule, mentalities have been altered and a large section of the population have known nothing else.

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                                            • 9 February 2020 07:17, by ThaGoblin

                                              yes youre right regarding the christian groups etc, and i dont agree with their views either. The fact that laws are governed by the views of a religion is mad. These issues should have been studied accordingly to figure out how to get the population to use but not abuse.

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                                            • 9 February 2020 07:23, by ThaGoblin

                                              Yes our sovereignty is a red line regarding the USs involvement. who gave them the opportunity to treat Sudan like a little child? we did by failing to govern ourselves properly. yes politics is cunning but does saudi have protracted civil wars, poverty, famines, and debt like we do? We gave them that opportunity so we cant blame them.

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                                            • 9 February 2020 07:32, by ThaGoblin

                                              2) youre wrong when you say sharia law doesn’t apply anymore. Yes its been on the low lately but we still see the morality police roaming around, arresting drinkers and evening sentencing them for flogging. This happened just 2 weeks ago. like i said earlier decades under islamic law, empowered the conservatives and even if we get the chance to create out own legal system based on the current

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                                            • 9 February 2020 07:40, by ThaGoblin

                                              based on the current ideology demography not much change will happen. This isnt the sudan that existed post independence. People have been oppressed for so long they now think its the right thing to do. There are universal secular laws that have to be implemented whether the majority like it or not. why? to undo the damage that has been done.

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                                            • 9 February 2020 07:49, by ThaGoblin

                                              3) youre right about the legalization of other substances that are deemed safe for usage(not abuse, abusing anything will harm you). However hard drugs that directly affect your nervous system shouldnt since they dont signal to your body to release dopamine they replace the dopamine. People who abuse soft substances are usually facing emotional issues etc. for example snuff or cigarettes.

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                                            • 9 February 2020 08:01, by ThaGoblin

                                              Regarding your request for scientific evidence, unfortunately society is so mentally inverted theyd never conduct such studies. But take my word for it, here in khartoum the people who dont participate are considered a minority. what do you think sudanese do on weekends? drink coffee by the nile every week?

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                                            • 9 February 2020 08:08, by ThaGoblin

                                              why would you burn a hole in your pocket to fight something that wont end? so youre saying use the budget freed up from war to fund media campaigns recovery centers and fight these substances? remember its an ongoing problem, and your costs are only going to rise. yet you can fund it from its own tax returns. so if more people use the more money freed up.

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                                            • 9 February 2020 08:15, by ThaGoblin

                                              Yes these unisex activities have just popped up after the revolution. But try go for swimming, billiards, sports, or even just having them over at your own apt without facing issues. im not talking about the nice international community spots where you pay for your freedom. im talking regular neighborhood type of activities.

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                                            • 9 February 2020 08:22, by ThaGoblin

                                              even after laws are adjusted a shadow of conservative prejudice hangs over you. like it or not we are social and sexual, beings. Take one of them away and you create many fractures or imbalances in society. imagine the current broken gen. raised under decades of oppressive rule, do you think they will be able to choose whats best for them?

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                                              • 9 February 2020 11:19, by Fathi

                                                Thanks. I understand where you’re coming from. Personally, I live in a society that idolizes and promotes stripers but frown upon a woman that covers herself. A couple hundred years ago, a society that thought like that would’ve been considered backwards.

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                                                • 9 February 2020 11:47, by Fathi

                                                  As times change, societal views can also change.

                                                  You said "There are universal secular laws that have to be implemented whether the majority like it or not." The universal secular laws, did they drop from the sky? No, they were decided by men.

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                                                  • 9 February 2020 11:51, by Fathi

                                                    Keep in mind that the men that created these laws were colonizing almost all of Africa, which is why we didn’t participate. It also speaks to who they view as human and what are rights.
                                                    By universal secular laws, I’m assuming you’re referring to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

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                                                    • 9 February 2020 12:31, by Fathi

                                                      Without God, what is right/wrong or good/evil changes depending on the time you live.

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                                                      • 9 February 2020 12:34, by Fathi

                                                        We shouldn’t rush to adopt other people’s view of rights because at the end of the day it can be influenced by their values, interests or agenda.
                                                        Despite the oppression of Sudanese society, I do believe they are intellectually capable of determining what is best for them.

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                                                        • 9 February 2020 12:40, by Fathi

                                                          You said "does saudi have protracted civil wars, poverty, famines, and debt like we do?"
                                                          That is irrelevant to your point because we were talking about human rights. If the US truly believes in their human rights, then they should pressure Saudi Arabia just as much as they are Sudan.

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                                                          • 9 February 2020 12:45, by Fathi

                                                            Being rich or successful shouldn’t allow them to be held to a different standard. If the US wanted to, they could start a civil war in Saudi in a month, if not less. The US could easily divide Saudi and carve out the oil rich shia region. That would lead to poverty, famines, and debt like us. Is that when human rights should be introduced?

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                                                            • 9 February 2020 12:46, by Fathi

                                                              That scenario sounds familiar huh?

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                                                              • 9 February 2020 12:51, by Fathi

                                                                Yes, the elite arab society accepted it. It wasn’t accepted by all Sudanese society. In fact, al-hilu SPLM-N leader is muslim and is the biggest advocate for a secular state.

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                                                                • 9 February 2020 12:55, by Fathi

                                                                  I am not against reforming our legal system. I believe our legal system should be accommodating for all the people of Sudan and it should be guided by values and beliefs of the Sudanese people, including Christianity, animism, and traditional African religions. We need a more tolerant and accepting society.

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                                                                  • 9 February 2020 13:00, by Fathi

                                                                    Sudanese people didn’t vote for those laws. Many spoke out against them and were executed for it. The one thing I fault the Sudanese people with is allowing themselves to grow numb and complacent with all the injustice.

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                                                                    • 9 February 2020 13:04, by Fathi

                                                                      The corruption and civil wars led to the poverty war and famine. Don’t forget that every single country neighboring Sudan (except egypt to my knowledge) fueled our civil wars and made Sudan less stable. Don’t forget the sanctions that crippled our economy.

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                                                                      • 9 February 2020 13:09, by Fathi

                                                                        So, no I don’t believe the US should have the right to treat Sudan like a little child. International isolation should’ve been decided by the international community not by one country. When 1 country has be been given that much power by international community, it can lead to exploitation and abuse.

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                                                                        • 9 February 2020 13:11, by Fathi

                                                                          "youre wrong when you say sharia law doesn’t apply anymore." I was saying that sharia isn’t the basis used to pass laws anymore so why not legalize drugs.

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                                                                          • 9 February 2020 13:13, by Fathi

                                                                            "However hard drugs that directly affect your nervous system shouldnt since they dont signal to your body to release dopamine they replace the dopamine. People who abuse soft substances are usually facing emotional issues etc. for example snuff or cigarettes."

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                                                                            • 9 February 2020 13:21, by Fathi

                                                                              Both hard and soft drugs impact the nervous system. Emotional issues are associated with abuse for both hard and soft substances. I’m assuming you’re basically referring to long lasting negative impact. Chronic consumption of almost all of them are associated with medical conditions.

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