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S. Sudan rebels decry Museveni’s non-withdrawal position

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December 27, 2014 (ADDIS ABABA) – South Sudanese armed opposition faction (SPLM-IO) led by former vice-president, Riek Machar, said recent comments by Ugandan president, Yoweri Museveni, in which he declared to maintain the presence of his forces in the country was unacceptable.

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Ugandan president Yoweri Museveni (Photo: Carl Court/AP)

While in Addis Ababa on Friday 26 December for a two-day meeting with the Ethiopian Prime Minister, Haile Mariam Desalegn, who also chairs the regional bloc of the Intergovernmental Authority on Development (IGAD), Museveni said he will not withdraw his troops until the South Sudanese capital, Juba was secure.

Uganda has been boasting since January that it was the reason for president Salva Kiir to remain in power when they stopped a speedy rebels advance towards the capital after the capture of Bor, Jonglei state’s capital which is 200kms north of Juba.

The rebels were defeating government’s forces in several battles pushing them back up to 90kms towards Juba.

President Museveni still feared that his troops’ withdrawal would leave a vacuum which would make president Kiir’s government vulnerable unless peace is signed or alternative regional troops were deployed in South Sudan.

"The problem is not with Uganda. The problem is peace among (South) Sudanese, and in order to not leave a vacuum we agreed that other IGAD countries should deploy and now they are deploying," he said in a press conference on Friday in Addis Ababa.

"I think Ethiopian forces are already there (in South Sudan), and Rwanda is there. Once they are ready, and can ensure that at least Juba is not affected ... then we shall go back. There is no big issue," he said.

Uganda as a member state in the IGAD forum also participates in the mediation process to end the war between president Kiir’s government and Machar’s group.

Kampala and Juba also signed a strategic military cooperation agreement which allows the former to purchase weapons on behalf of the latter.

President Kiir’s government has also expressed rejection to withdraw Ugandan troops from the country even though the two warring parties have since 23 January agreed in the peace talks to withdraw all foreign forces.

WITHDRAW UPDF

However, Machar’s opposition faction reiterated they wanted Ugandan troops to withdraw unconditionally, repeating accusations that the neighbouring country violently meddled in the South Sudanese internal affairs.

“Our leadership since January has been calling on Uganda to withdraw its troops. We have reiterated this in a resolution passed on 12 December in Pagak’s conference. Their continuous interference in the internal conflict and occupation of parts of South Sudan is unacceptable,” said Machar’s spokesman, James Gatdet Dak.

Dak said the Uganda People’s Defence Forces (UPDF) never prevented war crimes and atrocities against civilians as they claimed, claiming that the foreign troops had been instead helping president Kiir “to commit more genocide”.

“UPDF defended Kiir’s bad leadership and gave him a breathing space. They have been defending the regime in Bor and Juba. They have been carrying out bombings indiscriminately against civilian populations in various targets in the country and even using internationally banned cluster bombs,” he lamented.

Dak further added that Ugandan government should stop “pretending” to be part of peaceful solution in the IGAD mediation, saying it is part of the problem as their leadership continues to take Juba’s side.

He said the rebel group will not accept deployment of regional troops that "pursue their own interests to expand the war", stressing this would amount to occupation and colonisation of South Sudan, which he said will see stiff resistance from the “freedom fighters.”

Talks brokered by the Intergovernmental Authority on Development (IGAD) are to resume next January as regional leaders prepare to put pressure on the parties to sign a peace agreement.

The discussions are deadlocked over the attributions of a prime minister to be appointed by the rebels.

The SPLM-IO say they want a president with limited executive powers which should be granted to the would be prime minister.

(ST)

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  • 28 December 2014 07:12, by dinkdong

    The UPDF are "the reason for president Salva Kiir to remain in power when they stopped a speedy rebels advance towards the capital after the capture of Bor" - Sudan Tribune. I think that’s said it all.

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  • 28 December 2014 07:47, by wang

    SPLM-IO are merely wasting their time if they still thinking that the UPDF would voluntarily withdraw….for all these reasons…. UPDF gets best treatment in S. Sudan than they were in their country…$ 3millions a day plus countless night allowances from Juba Faction….Ugandans will use S. Sudan as along term sources of their incomes and SPLM-IO should have start think of other alternatives ways that

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    • 28 December 2014 10:28, by Muorcienggok

      Wang, when will you get tire of lies? Where in the World would a country spends 3 million $ per Day? Generating revenues is not as easy as eating walwal,you guys are absolutely traumatized by greed for power,hence your reasoning capacities have shrinked to zero. You caused war, why crying everyday? Liberate Bentiu and Malakal before thinking about Juba, no UPDF there.Author:wen Kucbeny Wek.

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  • 28 December 2014 07:47, by wang

    Ugandans will use S. Sudan as along term sources of their incomes and SPLM-IO should have start think of other alternatives ways that shall forces Ugandans out from this country….

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    • 28 December 2014 07:49, by wang

      Ugandans ordered the killing of Nuer Civilians in all UNIMISS around the country….used all kinds of weaponries that can wipe out Nuer in this country…..

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  • 28 December 2014 09:16, by Joseph Canada

    Well, 3million of South Sudanese money goes to Uganda every day. I wonder what Salva Kiir and those in the leadership will say after the war. Suppose Riek got help from the Sudanese Govt. as Kiir uses Sudanese rebels to fight in South Sudan. This is Sad.

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  • 28 December 2014 09:22, by Son of Ngundeng

    Dear All:
    For how long Kiir he is going to be protected by the foreign forces in his own country? All the world believed, Nuer are the top fighters and they could never be faced by the only pure Dinka. They know us since 1991, if any one has a doubt let him/she ask Bor communities how Nuer could taught a lesson to the enemy.

    Son of Ngundeng
    currently in front line
    Pathay Jonglei State.

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    • 28 December 2014 11:08, by Joseph Canada

      You Son of Ngundeng, what you are telling people here is nonsense. We need peace in the country not who is better at what. So if you were drinking just keep it to yourself. Every one is good at war depending on how they get provoked. so shut up and talk about the well being of the nation not a tribe.

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      • 28 December 2014 11:12, by Joseph Canada

        We know and the whole World know Kiir was 100% wrong and he’s the one who started this war from his decrees. He started private Army which is not allowed under R.O.S.S Constitution. He led the personal Coup. He planned it a head of time thats why he called UPDF within a day. We all know that.

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    • 28 December 2014 16:27, by Rommel

      Son of Ngundeng:

      You people are beyond delusional. You seem bedeviled by a complete lack of reasoning of any kind. You’re also amnesiac. Far from being regarded as ’top fighters’, people understand that you established shameful alliance with the SAF, PDF and the Murahaleen against the Dinka... and you still failed...

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      • 28 December 2014 16:48, by Rommel

        You people have a penchant for omitting important facts and for resorting to grandiosity. You attacked unarmed civilians in 1991. Do you remember the counterattacks? Pray tell, did you leave Bor, Twic east and Duk on your own accord? Of course not. You were forced out, and you were pursued to your homelands and cut down there. Where was your might then?

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        • 28 December 2014 16:52, by Rommel

          Where was the courage, strength and strategic depth that apparently makes you the world’s ’top fighters’ when your villages were burnt to the ground in the counterattacks that followed your cowardly attacks on unarmed civilians? Why couldn’t you protect Uror, Akobo, Nyirol, Yuai and Ayod when confronted with arms?

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          • 28 December 2014 16:55, by Rommel

            You formed military alliances with Khartoum during the war; an alliance that targeted and absolutely devastated the Dinka. Why is it that you people feel no *shame* for this!? Ah, I get it, the Nuer are entitled to establish military alliances with Khartoum... but you want to condemn the Dinka for establishing a military alliance with a State that actually didn’t murder millions of Southerners!

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            • 28 December 2014 16:56, by Rommel

              There’s not a single tribe in all of Sudan [North & South] that doesn’t know that you formed desperate and shameful military alliances with the various regimes in Khartoum, with a clear emphasis on forming alliances with the SAF, PDF and the Misseriya and the Rizeigat Arab tribes. You’re the cowards. You ran to them for help, but you still failed.

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              • 28 December 2014 16:57, by Rommel

                When Khartoum’s artillery guns and aircraft bombarded the Dinka for thirteen [13] years following your defection in 1991, operating in tandem with your militias on the ground... Was that fair!? Well, was it!? Or do you suppose that you are entitled to an exemption from the demands of a moral code that you don’t actually prescribe to!?

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                • 28 December 2014 16:58, by Rommel

                  You incessantly complain about three [3] to four [4] Ugandan soldiers when we had to fight a 100, 000 SAF troops and tens of thousands of PDF militiamen and Murahaleen. You defended oilfields at the behest of your masters in Khartoum because it was better than dying like the Dinka that opposed them.

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                  • 28 December 2014 16:59, by Rommel

                    ..Khartoum bombed our areas, unleashed Arab militias that destroyed crops, stole livestock and made the planting seasons all but untenable all throughout the duration of the war. Khartoum created artificial famines in our lands. We lost 250, 000 people in 1988 alone. We then lost another 100, 000 in 1999 when certain tribes were being fed like dogs...

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                    • 28 December 2014 17:00, by Rommel

                      Do you want evidence? Here’s evidence, you wretched, undeserving dog.: http://www.globalpolitics.net/essays/Tom_Rhodes.pdf

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                      • 28 December 2014 17:01, by Rommel

                        Over the eighteen years of the war, half of the two million estimated deaths are thought to be Dinka, bringing their current population to approximately three million out of Sudan’s total estimated population of twenty-six million. (Encylopedia) Source: http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Dinka.aspx

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                        • 28 December 2014 17:01, by Rommel

                          In 1988, the SPLM and international human rights organizations accused the Sudanese government of attempted genocide of the Dinka. Modern military equipment, including helicopters and cargo planes adapted as bombers, were used to devastating effect against Dinka villages, and more than 1 million Dinka are believed to have died in the conflict. (Encyclopedia of the Peoples of Africa)

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                          • 28 December 2014 17:03, by Rommel

                            People think they’re fighting the Dinka in this war. That’s not the case. They’re fighting select clans from only two [2] of the fifteen [15] Dinka sections. Salva Kiir has recruited people from his father’s side -Gogrial- and people from his mother’s side -Aweil-. The people of Tonj [Warrap] and Lakes State are angry with Salva Kiir and haven’t joined this war...

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                            • 28 December 2014 17:04, by Rommel

                              ..The Dinka of Greater Upper Nile have also not joined the war, and this is why Salva’s private army within the SPLA is only 15, 000 strong. He should be forced out... and an army of 150, 000 should be mobilized, trained and deployed. Salva has humiliated us with his flabbiness and incompetence. We didn’t need the Ugandans when we exacted our revenge on the Nuer following the 1991 massacres...

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                              • 28 December 2014 17:08, by Rommel

                                We can endure losing well over a million people for a cause that we believe in. We have confronted infinitely stronger, smarter and more numerous enemies. The Ugandans should withdraw...There is no justifying this terribly dishonorable alliance. Salva has brought *shame* upon a people that lost well over a million of their own in a war infinitely more difficult and costly.

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                                • 29 December 2014 11:21, by Nguntap

                                  Rommel,

                                  When you comment, you even annoyed the reader!! You really have enough time to defend Dinka on media. You will never admit the fact that Nuer defeated Gov’t(Dinka and all other alliance including 40% of Nuer army siding with you).

                                  What would you said about the coming of UPDF in SS? What is thier mission? What did you understand from Uganda president and Chief of Army of UPDF that...

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                                  • 29 December 2014 11:32, by Nguntap

                                    Continue.... that had it been UPDF intervention, Juba would have been fallen/Kiir would have died or would have sake for asylum oversea!!! What would you said about this from Uganda itself, would you argue with them or the telling is true!

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                                  • 29 December 2014 11:34, by Rommel

                                    Nguntap:

                                    You didn’t ’defeat’ anyone, that’s your delusion. You were successful in the initial stages of the conflict because a purported 70% of the army defected to the rebels. This is happened because Salva committed the folly of allowing tens of thousands of Khartoum’s erstwhile oilfield guard-dogs to dominate the army in 2006...

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                                    • 29 December 2014 11:37, by Rommel

                                      .. The people who actually fought the war against Khartoum largely went home in 2006, and on the one (1) year anniversary of this evanescent peace they graciously permitted the return of Khartoum’s wretched weasels, snakes and dogs. Snakes and dogs that quite unfortunately became the majority in our armed forces in 2006, even though they were Khartoum’s witless lackeys during the war.

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                                      • 29 December 2014 11:42, by Rommel

                                        Salva Kiir is your greatest ally. You would not have been allowed to return to the army with such a large number of traitors under anybody else. You would not have been allowed to dominate the very army that you fought against for decades on end. You would have been defeated the very same way that you were defeated in the 90s, without the involvement of the Ugandans.

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                                      • 30 December 2014 07:54, by Rami Tot

                                        Rommel

                                        i think you are abnormal by saying too much of such unreasonable speeches you are caught by psychological disorder, are employs to comments on what you didn,t understand? you are Remanent of 1998 BGZL famine who thought that famine will come back to BGZL once more? shy less dinka

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                                  • 29 December 2014 11:43, by Nguntap

                                    Continue.... that had it been UPDF intervention, Juba would have been fallen/Kiir would have died or would have sake for asylum oversea!!! What would you said about this from Uganda itself, would you argue with them or the telling is true!

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                                    • 29 December 2014 11:55, by Rommel

                                      Nguntap:

                                      I don’t have any aversion to the truth, and so I’ll readily concede that because Salva Kiir allowed the Nuer [Khartoum’s erstwhile allies] to dominate the army at a whopping 70%, you most likely would have taken Juba. Any tribe would have succeeded under similar dynamics and circumstances. It was Salva’s stupidity [not your ability] that allowed you to get so close.

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                                      • 29 December 2014 12:00, by Rommel

                                        You people incessantly complain about only three [3] to four [4] thousand Ugandan soldiers, but we had to contend with 100, 000 SAF troops, tens of thousands of PDF militiamen, the Equatorial Defence Force, the Bari dominated Popular Resistance Movement/Army, the Mundari militia and tribes like the Toposa, Lotuka, Didinga, Boya, Acholi and many others...

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                                        • 29 December 2014 12:01, by Rommel

                                          We also had to fight against the so called ’Fertit’ - a name applied to more than a dozen different tribes in Western Bahr el Ghazal’s Raga county. These tribes included the Kresh, Yulu, Shat, Balanda, Feroghe, Buja, Kara and Banda. In addition to this, the tribes of Wau county either had conflicts with the Dinka or didn’t join the SPLA. These tribes included Bongo, Gollo tribe and the Ndogo.

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                                          • 29 December 2014 12:07, by Rommel

                                            We were bombed with an air force many times larger and more powerful than the Ugandan air force for well over a decade. A plethora of deadly munitions [including the clusters that you complain about] were used against us. Artificial famines were created in our lands while Khartoum fed Nuer militias in Unity State, Jonglei and Upper Nile State like dogs. We lost over a million Dinka.

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                                            • 29 December 2014 12:16, by Rommel

                                              I have read articles in which the Nuer bemoan the suffering that they’re experiencing and how they’ve never had it worst. I agree. Your alliance with Khartoum shielded you from the affects of war. You really didn’t suffer during the war and so this is kind of a shock to you, isn’t it? The Dinka know sacrifice and suffering. You are fighting only two [2] Dinka sections due to Salva’s unpopularity.

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  • 28 December 2014 20:09, by Kim Deng

    The vast area appropriated by the Nuer during the nineteenth century was formerly occupied by a Dinka, Anyuak and Burun population. The fate of this population is one of the most interesting questions pertaining to Nuer expansion. How many Dinka, Anyuak, Burun… were killed by the Nuer? How many died of starvation? How many migrated to other areas? And how many were assimilated into Nuer community?

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  • 28 December 2014 20:11, by Kim Deng

    In 1908-10, the British sought to end the Nuer occupation toward Dinkaland and established control over the area. A new border between the Nuer and Dinka was established at the favor of Dinka at Duk Padiet, fifty miles north of Kongor, and the Ghol, Ric, and Nyarraweng were awarded about four thousand aquare miles of territory they had previously lost during Nuer expansion.

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  • 28 December 2014 20:12, by Kim Deng

    Although a substantial portion of this grant represented an uninhabited no-man’s-land between the Nuer and the Dinka, the Nuer were also required to relinquish territory under active occupation. The Nuer undoubtedly viewed the transfer as a government-sponsored Dinka invasion.

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  • 28 December 2014 20:15, by Kim Deng

    There are no recorded instances in which the Dinka succeeded in countering a large-scale Nuer offensive without government assistance, despite the fact that they were issued guns and ammunitions by the government and hold a strong advantage in this respect. The Dinka were evidently incapable of mounting an offensive counteroffensive that would have tied down Nuer forces in defense of home...

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  • 28 December 2014 20:16, by Kim Deng

    territory and were likewise unable to recoup their steady losses in cattle and land. The Nuer were thus free to leave their villages undefended while they engaged in extended raids, operating from bases established in conquered Dinka villages. Although a Dinka counteroffensive against undermanned Nuer communities undoubtedly would have curtailed extended Nuer raids and offered highly...

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  • 28 December 2014 20:17, by Kim Deng

    favorable prospects for capturing large numbers of cattle, there is no evidence that the Dinka ever adopted this strategy. Moreover, the Dinka were unable to mobilize a defensive force equivalent in size to the eighteen hundred men who comprised a large raiding party and were consequently unable to contain their advance.

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  • 28 December 2014 20:19, by Kim Deng

    Persons of the Dinka decent form probably at least half the population of most [Nuer] sub-tribes. These Dinka are either children of captives or immigrants who have been brought up as Nuer, or are themselves captives and immigrants who are residing permanently among Nuer. They are “Jaang-Nath,” “Dinka-Nuer,” and, it is said, “caa Naath,” “they have become Nuer.”

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    • 28 December 2014 20:27, by Rommel

      Kim Deng:

      What importance do you think people place upon dynamics that are centuries in the past? Are ’Westerners’ [who are now the most powerful people in the world] suppose to feel dejected by the fact that the Arabs defeated them during the crusades? Are the Chinese suppose to feel lesser because the Mongols conquered and controlled large swathes of China at one point?

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      • 28 December 2014 20:28, by Rommel

        What can the Arabs do to the ’West’ in modern times? What can Mongolia do to China? Dynamics change. Have you forgotten how the Shilluk routinely defeated the Nuer in battle? Have you forgotten the fact that they were the most powerful tribe in South Sudan? Of what importance is that today? Dynamics are as fluid as water. Evoking the events of the 18th Century will not help you...

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        • 28 December 2014 20:31, by Rommel

          ..Your posts are a scream for relevance. You’re essentially saying, please, please, be in awe of me, fear me and accord me the respect that I feel I deserve for events that took place centuries in the past. Respect me because my ancestors were able to launch raids on a divided enemy. That doesn’t impress me. If you had defeated the Shilluk [and not the other way round]... I would be impressed..

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          • 28 December 2014 20:33, by Rommel

            There’s not a population on the face of the earth that hasn’t experienced dark moments at some point in their history. The past cannot be mended, rewritten or reprised... it can only be used as a reference to learn from past mistakes. What ultimately matters is what you can do for yourself in the here and now... You’re like a women — fond of reminiscing, except the memories are not your own.

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            • 28 December 2014 20:34, by Rommel

              ..So you can keep on harping on about dynamics centuries in the past much in the same way that Arabs keep on talking about their victories over the Europeans during the crusades. Some Arabs keep on talking about ’Al Andalus’ [Spain] and how they want it back... but what can they do to modern Spain? What can they do to NATO?

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              • 28 December 2014 20:36, by Rommel

                The words of a bitter man, anchored to yesterday’s glories, desperately holding onto what he used to have and what he has since been deprived of - vicariously living through his ancestors... are but comedy to a man who has power in the here and now. You haven’t accepted reality of this order have you? You haven’t accepted the fact that the Dinka are no longer hopelessly divided...

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                • 28 December 2014 20:36, by Rommel

                  .. They now know their potential. The war with Khartoum tested the limits of their endurance. The requirements of survival silenced the voices of division. It was the greatest calamity but it also salvaged us. We stand tall and proud of our achievements... and this pains you. This is why you feel the need to remind them of a time in which they were underfoot.

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                  • 28 December 2014 20:37, by Rommel

                    I’m not impressed with what you were able to achieve against a tribe that didn’t recognize itself as a tribe. The Dinka had an underdeveloped sense of tribal identity, whereas the Nuer worked as one group. When the Nuer confronted a unified and highly organized and militaristic tribe like the Shilluk, the Nuer were routinely defeated.

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                    • 28 December 2014 20:38, by Rommel

                      ..Would we be impressed with Rome if it only prevailed against disunited tribes and floundered against organized, militaristic kingdoms? Of course not. So why should we be impressed with you. In every instance in which the Dinka fielded a numerically equal force to the Nuer... you were repulsed. You’re letting your pathetic ego disregard these important facts.

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                      • 28 December 2014 20:38, by Rommel

                        The Shilluk were left unscathed during your expansion in the late 1800s, because they were unified. The Dinka were divided and so thoroughly deserved the afflictions that come with it. The Shilluk were unified and organized; they put their warriors on their border with the Nuer at Tonga and other places... and were thus never troubled by the Nuer.

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                        • 28 December 2014 20:39, by Rommel

                          See unlike the Nuer, the Dinka could not at all be described as constituting a single tribe; they are in fact many tribes. The Dinka -until very recently- quite strangely never saw the impetus to unify as a tribal unit, whereas Nuer sections routinely combined their efforts against a single Dinka section, one at a time.

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                          • 28 December 2014 20:40, by Rommel

                            Historians are at a consensus that you didn’t prevail over the Dinka because of some fanciful notion of military prowess, genius or strategy... You prevailed primarily [if not solely] because of your unity as a tribe, against a divided populace that didn’t have a sense of tribal identity that transcended clan identity and clan loyalty.

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                            • 28 December 2014 20:41, by Rommel

                              The unified Nuer had raiding parties that were usually made up of 1500 men, whereas individual Dinka sections rarely mustered a defencive force above three-hundred men [300], and so it’s not all that surprising [and certainly not all that impressive] that a unified group would prevail over a divided force, that wasn’t sufficiently tribal minded and deployed a smaller force as a consequence.

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                              • 28 December 2014 20:41, by Rommel

                                The advantage of the Nuer was based on sheer numbers rather than novel military strategies or fighting techniques. The Dinka were able to repel smaller Nuer raiding parties, were familiar with Nuer tactics, and employed the same multicolumn organization of forces on their own infrequent raids. (Unto Others: The Evolution and Psychology of Unselfish Behavior Elliott Sober)

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                                • 28 December 2014 20:42, by Rommel

                                  Nuer and Dinka oral tradition fail to mention a single battle that was won by a clever new strategy. (Unto Others: The Evolution and Psychology of Unselfish Behavior, Elliott Sober)

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                                  • 28 December 2014 20:43, by Rommel

                                    ..The good old days of raiding the divided Dinka with impunity are over and are never to return. We [Dinka] lost over a million people, but the war with Khartoum was the single greatest thing that has ever happened to us. Our identity has been forged in a common struggle against your masters. We were like fragments of a broken sword, melded together and reconstituted by fire.

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                                    • 28 December 2014 20:45, by Rommel

                                      .. This is what Peter Adwok said in an interview in 2003: Culturally the Nuer are zero. Assimilation, if it works at all, is into a higher culture, the backwards into a developed culture. That is why the Nuer were assimilated into kingdoms such as the Shilluk when they met cultures higher than theirs.

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                                      • 28 December 2014 20:45, by Rommel

                                        He continued with this: For a Shilluk, a Nuer is anybody who is chaotic and an outlaw. There is a Shilluk saying: Yi ba onwar, which means ’Are you a Nuer?’, when someone is not behaving well. An unruly child is also referred to as ’Nuer’, cie nwar to bie tuokto. ’...

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                                        • 28 December 2014 20:47, by Rommel

                                          There is a famous decree by a Shilluk king: ’There are two living animals that should not go to Puchudho [the royal centre] - a live chicken and a Nuer girl.

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                                          • 28 December 2014 20:47, by Rommel

                                            You realise that the Dinka fought Khartoum bravely, while you guarded oilfields on their behalf, and so naturally you feel ashamed. This is why you constantly dredge up instances from well over a century ago to make yourself feel better about yourself. This is essentially your own pathetic little brand of therapy. Stop dreaming of the past, it will do you no good.

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                                            • 28 December 2014 20:56, by Rommel

                                              Historians have great reason to believe that the Nuer are just an off-shoot of the Dinka. You came from us. The oldest Dinka section [Agar] claim that you descend from them.

                                              The Nuer originated as an offshoot of the Dinkas and eventually became distinctive enough to be identified as a separate tribe. (Unto Others: The Evolution and Psychology of Unselfish Behavior, Elliott Sober)

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  • 28 December 2014 21:52, by Kim Deng

    Lacking the capacity to mount an offensive counterattack, the Dinka, Anyuak, Burun… had no recourse other than withdrawal. Under these circumstances, the rapid Nuer Conquest/occupation of the vast Western Dinka region [Mayom, Mankien…], Southern Dinka region [Nyuong Nuer territory], Central Dinka region [Fangak, Ayod, Waat…], Eastern Dinka, Anyuak and Burun region...

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  • 28 December 2014 21:54, by Kim Deng

    [Eastern Jikany Nuer and Lou Nuer territory] is not difficult to understand. Had the Nuer ever wished to occupy the whole greater Upper Nile, from Renk to Mading Bor and from Ruweng/Biemnom to Buma-Gambella, it seems unlikely that the other coward Jurs (Jaang, Teet, Bar, Chai…) could have stopped them.

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  • 28 December 2014 22:02, by Kim Deng

    Ammel,

    I wish the current war, which was imposed on Mighty Nuer Warriors (MNW) on December 15, 2013 by your coward King, Mr. Slava is a war between pure coward Jaang/Slaves and MNW. Coward Jaang/Slaves have never defeated Mighty Nuer Warriors in history.

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    • 28 December 2014 22:34, by Rommel

      Kim Deng:

      What happened the last time you idiots launched a war on the Dinka? Oh that’s right, you were roundly defeated, but being amnesiac as well as being incredibly stupid, this doesn’t seem to matter to you. What gives you license to use the word ’slave’ on any body else when you were Khartoum’s brain-dead compliant little slaves for decades?

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  • 28 December 2014 22:06, by Kim Deng

    Nuer occupation towards other Jurs (Jaang, Teet, Bar, Chai…) is demonstrated that there is no any single ethnic group in East Africa let alone South Sudan that can face Nuer in war. Latjor, one of the Nuer warriors’ leaders in 1800s declared, “When waging a war, it is not right that matter, but victory.”

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    • 28 December 2014 22:41, by Rommel

      Kim Deng:

      I absolutely love that inimitable mindless Nuer bravado and hubris of which you are the prime representative. It fails you every time, doesn’t it? We had the chance to destroy you in the 90s, but we focused our efforts on your master instead. We tolerate you unbelievably superstitious, naive, stupid little creatures, but patience is finite so tread carefully.

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      • 28 December 2014 22:56, by Rommel

        Does retreating to the 1800s really help your ego and sense of self? I suspect that it merely masks an underlying pain. You evoke in me a unique mixture of disgust, contempt and pity. Your incoherent statements and shoddy citations fail to even annoy [as much as they must be addressed], but your stupidity offends me. If you lived in Nazi Germany, you would be a prime candidate for sterilisation.

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  • 29 December 2014 00:15, by Kim Deng

    "Salva Kiir would either be dead or exile today if Uganda had not intervened militarily to save him in the early days of the confflict."

    http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/south-sudan-peace-talks-going-nowhere-says-pham

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  • 29 December 2014 00:23, by Kim Deng

    The SPLA-Torit faction forces under the command of Lt. Gen. Kuol Manyang Juuk and Lt. Gen. Salva Kiir who were deployed from the direction of Kongoor and Pochalla respectively to wipe out Dr. Riek’s force as ordered and predicted by Garang, failed miserably from their suicide attempts, instead encircled and pursued like hunting dogs chase rabbits or deer by Dr. Riek’s forces under the command...

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  • 29 December 2014 00:24, by Kim Deng

    of Lt. Gen. Tiger Bol Koang and CDR. Tiger Koang Banypiny. As a result, Duk Padiet, Panyagor, Kongoor, Twic East, Mading Bor and all the surrounding garrisons and towns plus some part of BEG were burned down to ashes when the “Operation Typhoon,” was launched as two Heroes [Bol Koang & Koang Banypiny] call it. Garang underestimated the SPLM/A-Nasir faction military strength, but his commanders...

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  • 29 December 2014 00:27, by Kim Deng

    on the ground knew they were often paying a heavier price for them than expected in terms of casualties-and that, in many areas, the Torit faction advance wasn’t moving as swiftly as they had hoped. Garang’s commanders were preoccupied with the more immediate goal: ensuring that their troops would maintain their progress as they prepared to strike Nasir faction from all directions.

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  • 29 December 2014 00:31, by Kim Deng

    Many areas including major towns: Torit, Kapoeta, Mading Bor … were recaptured and/or surrendered to the common enemy as a result of split. The remaining few garrisons and towns under the control of Torit faction were on the verge of panic of evacuation either to Uganda or Kenya refugees camps as well. Garang’s forces should have been crushed/break down and/or chased up to Kenya/Uganda-Sudan...

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  • 29 December 2014 00:34, by Kim Deng

    if Dr. Riek was for military option rather than reconciliation through peaceful dialogues instead. Garang’s “New Sudan,” vision did not accomplish anything, but setbacks, chaos, death, subjugation by terror and epic conflicts. Did Garang’s SPLA/M have the political will and muscles to confront both the main enemy (NIF/NCP) and the separatists at the same time?

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  • 29 December 2014 00:39, by Kim Deng

    Rommel (Jang),

    For your info, when the CPA was signed in 2005, the arabized Nubian gov’t forces (NIF/NCP) were still dancing in Torit let alone Juba, Wau and Malakal. Therefore, bring all your allies (Uganda, Kenny, Rwanda, SPLA-N, GEM...) and let’s burn down this Jungle (South Sudan) to ashes.

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    • 29 December 2014 06:14, by Rommel

      Kim Deng:

      Your Arab masters didn’t capture the whole South. They were merely in control of most of the large towns and ’cities’. We controlled most of the countryside. We were fighting on two fronts. The North on one side and you on the other. The SAF could only get supplies into Juba by air, as every other possible land route was under the control of the SPLA...

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      • 29 December 2014 06:15, by Rommel

        Juba was one of the few major ’cities’ that hadn’t fallen at least once. We did well considering that we were fighting on multiple fronts. We controlled the vast majority of the South, even as we confronted the SAF, PDF, the Murahaleen, Fertit miliamen, militias in Equatoria and of course... Khartoum’s slaves [you] in Greater Upper Nile.

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        • 29 December 2014 06:16, by Rommel

          As of 2004, Garang’s SPLA controls most of the south, including some territory in central and eastern Sudan. (Encyclopedia of African History, Kevin Shillington)

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          • 29 December 2014 06:17, by Rommel

            You repeat the same delusions and lies over and over again. The only ally that we have truly involved is Uganda. JEM only intervenes on an intermittent basis. Kenya, Rwanda and SPLA-N are not at all involved. We didn’t have any allies during the war and we still defeated you...

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            • 29 December 2014 06:24, by Rommel

              There is no evidence that Rwanda, Kenya and SPLA-N and are at all involved. Salva Kiir is your greatest ally. You really should be thanking him. He integrated tens of thousands of Khartoum compliant Nuer militiamen... To the obscene extent that you became the majority [a purported 70%] of the army that you fought against for decades...

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              • 29 December 2014 06:28, by Rommel

                The fact that you were the majority in the army explains why you were successful in the initial stages of the conflict. That distinct advantage has since been overturned. You can thank Salva Kiir for your initial successes. The man is an absolute dolt.

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                • 29 December 2014 06:33, by Rommel

                  It’s funny how you think you can ignore historical facts for the sake of your own ego. We were fighting in Juba when Riek’s forces massacred civilians in Duk, Twic east and Bor, and so Dr. John Garang sent a small commando detachment that was initially successful in expelling a much larger force from Panyagore before they had to withdraw....

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                  • 29 December 2014 06:39, by Rommel

                    ...After we got a reasonable detachment we made it to Uror, Akobo, Nyirol, Yuai and Ayod and we absolutely devastated you. Why didn’t ’Operation Typhoon’ succeed then? Why couldn’t Bol Koang and Koang Banypiny protect you?

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                    • 29 December 2014 06:40, by Rommel

                      I actually want the Ugandans to withdraw. I would love nothing more than for that to happen with immediate effect. We didn’t need the Ugandans when we defeated you in the 90s, even when you were allied with the SAF, the PDF, the Misseriya and the Rizeigat Arabs of the Murahaleen, the LRA, the Equatorial Defence force and the Bari dominated Popular Resistance Movement/Army.

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                      • 29 December 2014 06:41, by Rommel

                        The Ugandans really should withdraw. Salva Kiir should resign and military command should bring back the veterans that fought Khartoum and Riek during the civil war in command roles. We didn’t need the Ugandans before and we really do not need them now. We just need Salva Kiir to resign. I am tired of his weakness, stupidity, myopia and flabbiness.

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                        • 29 December 2014 06:57, by Rommel

                          Riek NEVER had the chance to make it to the Kenyan or Ugandan border. Riek’s forces were defeated when Dinka soldiers under his command defeated Riek’s troops in a large battle at Gut-Makur, a village just outside Mongalla. Riek’s forces were then defeated at Wuor Baar. Our forces then entered Dinka territory at Gem, defeated all opposing forces in Nuer territory at Kuac Deng...

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                          • 29 December 2014 07:00, by Rommel

                            Note, I was referring to the command of Kuol Manyang when Riek’s forces were defeated. Riek’s forces experienced defeat after being pursued, hounded and cut down as far as Uror, Akobo, Nyirol, Yuai and Ayod. Were the Ugandans present when all of this was happening?

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