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September 25, 2014 (JUBA) – South Sudan army said it has deployed battalion of troops along it border with Sudan following repeated rebels raids on its territory.

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Soldiers from the Sudanese People’s Liberation Army (SPLA) redeploy to form a new Joint Integrated Unit (JIU) battalion with the Sudan Armed Forces (SAF) under the terms of an agreement on Abyei (Photo: UN/Tim McKulka)

The move, army spokesperson Col. Philip Aguer said, comes in awake of a series of attacks by rebels who allegedly plan and execute their activities from its northern neighbor.

“The SPLA had deployed troops at the borders between South Sudan and Sudan following the attempt by the rebels to capture Renk and to advance to oil fields,” Aguer told reporters Thursday.

He said they received reports that Sudan was disarming rebels that fled after losing battle for control of Renk in Upper Nile state, but insisted on confirming this.

Sudan and South Sudan currently share one of the longest borders, which are yet to be demarcated. Already, an African Union High Level Implementation Panel led by former South African, president Thabo Mbeki is mediating between the two nations on several unresolved issues.

The SPLA on Sunday paraded alleged war captives on the state-run South Sudan Television (SSTV), claiming that the prisoners were captured during recent clashes in Upper Nile state between government forces and the rebels.

Aguer claimed the rebel fighters were given a Sudanese flag to hoist it in the event of decisive rebel gains in the area.

Video footage of the three captives dressed in Sudanese military uniforms was also broadcast.

However, James Gatdek Dak, the spokesperson for rebel leader Riek Machar’s dismissed the episode saying it was concocted and designed to smear the good name and objectives of the SPLM-in-Opposition.

“This is a desperate negative propaganda by the enemies of peace. It is an attempt concocted and designed to try to smear the name of the SPLM [in opposition] and its objectives,” Dak said on Tuesday in response to the allegations.

Dak further said the allegations aimed to mislead and rally the South Sudanese public and the international community against the cause of the freedom fighters.

Thousand have been killed and about 1.3 million people displaced by the conflict that has raged on in the country since mid-December last year. In the meantime, efforts to amicably resolve the conflict through peace talks continue to move at a very slow pace.

The United States and European Union have already imposed sanctions on senior military officials from the two warring sides for obstructing the ongoing peace process.

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  • 26 September 2014 08:47, by Redeemer

    Sudan learned a lesson from Panthou war, that is why they acted quickly in disarming them before things turn dark. Mayardit knows how to sugar his fingers for Nuer to sunk, he did it before. That is why I like history.

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    • 26 September 2014 09:06, by Toney Toney Matot

      James Gatdet Dak(Mi Tot)
      you will deny the fact till every Nuer soldier that misled by devils Riek Machar and his likes perish.history will tell and we have remain with few Nyagats to be the history.

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    • 26 September 2014 09:19, by Ayuiu Makuac Lam

      Is it true, did Sudan disarmed South Sudan rebels along the border? Why, did they failed in relationship?

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      • 26 September 2014 09:34, by choldit

        Ayuiu, u are a wise person. The whole posts frm Philip this week are lies. Wait and hear what gonna happen in few days. We ss should admit that this war gonna finish in upper Nile.

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    • 26 September 2014 09:30, by Johndumo14

      This guy is always denying all the time,James Gatdek Dak, the spokesperson for rebel leader Riek Machar’s .
      Sudan is playing with fire,by rounding up Nuer nationals in khartoum and forced them for military training and sent to south sudan to fight in the name of Riek machar.
      Is this a lie,when Rebels defeated in Benteui where your Nuer rebels run to? Do they run to Uganda,Ethiopia,kenya?

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    • 26 September 2014 09:33, by Ayom Ayom

      Borders tension are expected between the two Sudan and Ethiopia. More people will be force to flee across the borders, They communities along the border line should prepare for the worse to come, War inside South Sudan is moving to international borders, prepare to go to exile before it is too late for you.

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  • 26 September 2014 09:43, by michael coma

    The aim of Sudan is to let rebels captured Renk and Paloch so that they will steal oil and take control of agriculture fields in Renk. Bol Kiir Malual was sent by Bashir to do his part in capturing Renk.He sent with 16000 troops that were trained at Karasana.23000 is now on their way from Heglig to join 2000 that hide along Paloch to capture it.Bashir has also given Riek 27 Tanks and anti Tanks.

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    • 26 September 2014 12:14, by choldit

      Michael, u are doing ur homework not the way other Belinda supporters of incompetent kirr Museveni are. So, take care of ur dreames if it is a dream. The world knows our war finishes in upper Nile brothers. The defeat is at our door steps. The Nuer were never, are not and will never be defeated by Dinka thought we have East African nations on our side. The good things is Dinka knw how to keep...

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      • 26 September 2014 12:22, by choldit

        ... their tails btwn their legs when they are defeated. But what will happen to those who fight for Dinka and the Ugandan when the Nuer is in power? Don’t say the Nuer are always forgiving people becoz what is done to them last year is unforgivable.let pray a peace that make Dr. Riek Machar the leader becoz he the only who will convene Nuer to forgive others!

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        • 26 September 2014 16:26, by Rommel

          ’choldit’:

          The first thing that I must address is ’your name. It’s not your name, is it? *Choldit* is a Dinka name. I know you’re pretending to be a Dinka in order to score some imaginary points, but you’re not being clever or sly... you’re as transparent as sticky tape, without at all being useful.

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          • 26 September 2014 16:29, by Rommel

            Is Kuol Manyang Ugandan? Or do you suppose that he was Ugandan when Dinka soldiers under his command defeated Riek’s troops in a large battle at Gut-Makur, a village just outside Mongalla. Riek’s forces were then defeated at Wuor Baar. Our forces then entered Dinka territory at Gem, defeated all opposing forces in Nuer territory at Kuac Deng...

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            • 26 September 2014 16:31, by Rommel

              ... With Riek’s forces experiencing defeat after being pursued, hounded and cut down as far as Uror, Akobo, Nyirol, Yuai and Ayod. Were the Ugandans present when all of this was happening? I can’t believe that you people wish to complain about only three [3] to four [4] thousand Ugandan soldiers when Khartoum deployed its entire army against us during the civil war.

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              • 26 September 2014 16:33, by Rommel

                We made it to your homelands and defeated you there. Are you really going to pretend that your people did not establish and nurture military alliances with Khartoum during the war!? Do you recall the decades in which you defended oilfields on behalf of the Arab oligarchy... like dogs!?

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                • 26 September 2014 16:39, by Rommel

                  You can dream about getting into power... dreams are free. What makes what happened last year more unforgivable then Riek’s murder of 30, 000 civilians in the 90s? What makes it more unforgivable then the summary execution of children? What makes it more unforgivable then the mass rapes committed by Riek’s troops? What makes it more unforgivable then cutting open the stomachs of pregnant women?

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                  • 26 September 2014 16:44, by Rommel

                    ..What makes it more unforgivable then killing the elderly? What makes it more unforgivable then creating an artificial famine that claimed the lives of 25, 000 civilians? What happened in Juba in December took place over a period of two [2] days... what happened in Abiemnom, Pariang, Baliet, Canal Khorfulus, Duk, Twic east and Bor, happened over a period of two weeks.

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                    • 26 September 2014 16:46, by Rommel

                      The massacre was not the end of the tragedy in Bor, however. An estimated 100, 000 people fled the area following the attack, and after many of the villages had been burnt to the ground. According to Amnesty International, famine brought about by looting and the destruction of crops and livestock killed a further 25, 000 people, many of them children. ( South Sudan, Max Lovell-Hoare)

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                      • 26 September 2014 16:52, by Rommel

                        The above was written by an historian that was citing Amnesty International. The Nuer have up with their own numbers... And so one necessarily has to adopt a healthy dose of skepticism with regards to their numbers. What methodology was used to arrive at these fanciful numbers. How could they possibly have assessed the number of Nuer civilians killed in Juba?

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                        • 26 September 2014 16:53, by Rommel

                          No sane individual is suggesting that innocent civilians were not targeted in Juba in December. The Nuer have quite predictably exaggerated the numbers. Their absurd estimates range from the ’hundreds of thousands’ to 27, 000 to 20, 000 and finally 17,613... something that is supposed to have happened within a 2-3 day period. Does that seem plausible?

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                          • 26 September 2014 16:54, by Rommel

                            Why didn’t International embassies and the many NGOs stationed in Juba give credence to these fanciful numbers? I don’t think that less than a 1000 civilians died, but the numbers peddled by the opposition are ridiculous. Those numbers would make the Nazis blush.

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            • 26 September 2014 16:47, by choldit

              Rommel,
              it is not about being Nuer or Dinka it is about telling the past experience about the Nuer and Dinka results of their fights then predicting the possible result of the current issues. By the way, choldit is drawn from Chuol in Shilluk, Chuol in Nuer and Chol in Dinka. What I should tell u is just consider me member of the tribe u think, after all I am ss which realy matter.

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              • 26 September 2014 17:01, by Rommel

                choldit:

                You’re not a Dinka. Fly under your true flag and attack us with that identity. You [the Nuer] made an alliance with Khartoum that was much larger than Salva’s shameful alliance with Uganda... and you still lost. Your alliance cost us hundreds and thousands of lives and we kept on fighting... Because this was the first time in our history that the Dinka worked as one tribe.

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                • 26 September 2014 17:15, by Rommel

                  The Dinka lost well over a million people during the war. The war with Khartoum has been a blessing in disguise for the Dinka, it has enjoined them to unify. The military successes that the Nuer had against the Dinka are centuries behind us... when the Dinka had an underdeveloped sense of tribal identity, that has only recently been annealed by the war and its affects.

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              • 26 September 2014 17:13, by choldit

                Rommel,
                u really trying to make things up to cover for the murdering did by our leader kirr and his allies. U are always trying to shine the shoe that doesn’t need to shine. The Dinka is spoiled by the current leaders. The only thing left is to admit the wrong done to Nuer and other ss people by pple like so u may get a chance. The govt is the one who did those wrong things not the Nuer or Dr. Rie

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                • 26 September 2014 17:22, by Rommel

                  choldit:

                  You want us to admit wrong done to you, but you won’t admit that the man you want to be our leader, killed tens of thousands of our civilians and went into an alliance with a regime that he allied and conspired with to kill hundreds of thousands of our people? You want us to admit wrong? It’s a two way street. I want Salva gone. I want him to pay for his crimes.

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                  • 26 September 2014 17:30, by Rommel

                    .. But I won’t admit that my life is worthless. I won’t accept a man responsible for the deaths of close to 30, 000 of my kin as my leader. I want justice for my Nuer cousins but I won’t concede that one of your sons can ethnically cleanse tens of thousands of Dinka civilians and become our President. He should never have been allowed to return after we signed the CPA with his Arab masters...

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                • 26 September 2014 17:25, by choldit

                  Rommel,
                  being a Nuer is a give but it is true the Nuer are nationalist than Dinka that they always knw what affect us all but the Dinka always work on distorting credits on other tribes.it is the Nuer who lets Dinka loot nation resources from 2005 till now just becoz of their idea that if ss fight over resources b4 referendum our goal should never be attended. But Dinka thought is a weakness.

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                  • 26 September 2014 17:37, by Rommel

                    choldit;

                    So have you finally given up the charade? Do you finally admit that you’re a shameless liar? You are not ’nationalist’! Tell me, do ’nationalist’ protect oilfields on behalf of the enemy!? Do ’nationalist’ fight side by side with an enemy responsible for the deaths of millions of their fellow citizens!?

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                    • 26 September 2014 17:42, by Rommel

                      Do ’nationalist’ serve the enemy for decades only to return on the one year anniversary of a peace agreement!? You have been in the armed services of Khartoum for decades, and you only returned after all the fighting, after all the anguish and after all the sacrifice. You didn’t let the Dinka do anything... You were allowed to return. You had no power when Garang was around...

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                      • 26 September 2014 17:49, by Rommel

                        ..Kiir made you feel more powerful than you actually are. Salva allowed tens of thousands of Khartoum compliant Nuer militiamen to integrate into an army that they fought against for decades. Riek is an idiot, he could have been easily rendered politically irrelevant through political means.

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  • 26 September 2014 09:48, by Michael Miyom Minyiel

    This is Nuer’s culture to deny the facts.Sudan has been playing a dirty politics in the history of south Sudan thruogh Nuer.
    They are being trained and armied by the Sudan in higleg.Is that propaganda?

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  • 26 September 2014 18:09, by Kenyang

    Choldit and Others,
    I insisted Dinka and Nuer never fought a war and they are not going to do that today because there is no reason to do so. Yes, certain sections of neighboring clans from both have historical hostilities and had fought over water, pasture or land for decades. This is not same as war between Dinka and Nuer. ....

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    • 26 September 2014 18:28, by Kenyang

      A hypothetical war between Dinka and Nuer would be won by Dinka. You can beat your chest as much you want but eventually the result can be same.

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  • 26 September 2014 18:36, by Kim Deng

    The Anya-Nya II forces under the command of Lt. Gen. Lion Paulino Matip did not only inflicted heavy losses on Torit faction, but pushed back CDR. William’s forces and penetrated deep inside BEG. This campaign against CDR. William’s forces forced them to retreat from the area just when Lt. Gen. Paulino Matip sent in more reinforcements.

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  • 26 September 2014 18:37, by Kim Deng

    But the SPLA-Torit faction forces under the command of Lt. Gen. Kuol Manyang Juuk and Lt. Gen. Salva Kiir who were deployed from the direction of Kongoor and Pochalla respectively to wipe out Dr. Riek’s force as ordered and predicted by Garang, failed miserably from their suicide attempts, instead encircled and pursued like hunting dogs chase rabbits or deer by Dr. Riek’s forces under...

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  • 26 September 2014 18:38, by Kim Deng

    the command of Lt. Gen. Tiger Bol Koang and CDR. Tiger Koang Banypiny. As a result, Duk Padiet, Panyagor, Kongoor, Twic East, Mading Bor and all the surrounding garrisons and towns plus some part of BEG were burned down to ashes when the “Operation Typhoon,” was launched as two Heroes [Bol Koang & Koang Banypiny] call it.

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  • 26 September 2014 18:41, by Kim Deng

    Garang underestimated the SPLM/A-Nasir faction military strength, but his commanders on the ground knew they were often paying a heavier price for them than expected in terms of casualties-and that, in many areas, the Torit faction advance wasn’t moving as swiftly as they had hoped.

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    • 26 September 2014 19:06, by Kenyang

      Riek Machar and his forces eventually abandoned NIF and surrendered to victorious Garang and forces.

      Today, if one can replace Salva Kiir with anybody, anything, a born loser and shame power hungryman Riek Machar can’t only lose his selfish war again but would die and be burried in exile.

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  • 26 September 2014 18:43, by Kim Deng

    Many areas including major towns: Torit, Kapoeta, Mading Bor … were recaptured and/or surrendered to the common enemy as a result of split. The remaining few garrisons and towns under the control of Torit faction were on the verge of panic of evacuation either to Uganda or Kenya refugees camps as well.

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    • 26 September 2014 18:46, by Rommel

      Kim Deng:

      You people have a penchant for omitting important facts and for resorting to grandiosity. We deployed a very small commando force to deal with you while we were still preoccupied with the Juba campaign. After we got a reasonable detachment we made it to Uror, Akobo, Nyirol, Yuai and Ayod. Where was your might then?

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      • 26 September 2014 18:47, by Rommel

        Pray tell, did you leave Bor, Twic east and Duk on your own accord? Of course not. You were forced out, and you were pursued to your homelands and cut down there. We were fighting on many fronts, against many different enemies, and so I think it’s understandable that we had certain set backs. You had only one enemy [us]... so why didn’t you win?

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  • 26 September 2014 18:45, by Kim Deng

    And of course, as a result of Nasir move, Garang divorced and abandoned the alliance, called SPLA/M 1st National Convent at Chukudum in 1994 and the self-determination for South Sudan was the first agenda in that Convention. The movement changed from its former name SPLA/M as it was well-known back then to SPLM/A.

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  • 26 September 2014 18:45, by Kim Deng

    Garang put self-determination for South Sudan to be the first agenda/priority whenever there is a peace talks with Khartoum government and Garang himself eventually signed for it, the self-determination for people of Southern Sudan in CPA. Garang gave up his “New Sudan,” vision, a vision he always refers as a “vision of no-return.”

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  • 26 September 2014 18:46, by Kim Deng

    This raised too many unsettling questions from his allies especially the inner circle of NDA, Nuba Mountains and Blue Nile who were oblivious and betrayed at the same time by his self-observed “New Sudan,” vision until they realized that Garang shamelessly made a U-turn which left them in illusion.

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    • 26 September 2014 18:53, by Rommel

      Kim Deng:

      How many times must I inform you that historians have affirmed, that under Dr. John Garang, the independence option was there before the Nasir declaration. You don’t like the truth and prefer to make up reasons for believing in nonsense, so you continuously pretend not to understand a word I say.

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      • 26 September 2014 18:53, by Rommel

        On the 29th of July [one month prior to the Nasir Declaration] the SPLM/A informed the Sudanese government that Self-Determination was to be discussed for the Abuja agenda. This is confirmed by the works of scholars such as Ann Lech.

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        • 26 September 2014 18:54, by Rommel

          .."the independence option was therefore included in the still-united SPLM’s proposal for the Abuja agenda that was submitted to Nigerian and Sudanese government on 29th July 1991". (The Battle for Peace in Sudan: An Analysis of Abuja Conferences 1992–1993’, Ann Lech)

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          • 26 September 2014 18:55, by Rommel

            "Once the split occurred, the government developed a four-prong strategy that encouraged Riek machar to fight the SPLA. It backed away from offering independence, mounted large scale offences against Garang’s forces and used the disintegration of the SPLA to facilitate its repression of the African people in Southern Kordofan, Darfur and Southern Blue Nile." (Sudan-Contested identities, Ann lesch

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            • 26 September 2014 18:59, by Rommel

              Why did you rely upon the grace of a political unit that you so ostensibly wished to distance yourself from!? You cannot seek independence from someone when you’re wholly reliant upon them for every nail, every litre of oil, every platform, every box of ammunition and their logistical support. You didn’t know what you were doing! Even your precious idiot idol admits that he was ’cheated’.

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              • 26 September 2014 19:04, by Rommel

                Dr. John Garang De Mabior made it very clear to colleagues and the people of Sudan at large, that he was fighting primarily for a united Sudan, but this doesn’t necessarily mean that he sought to deny our people the right to self-determination.

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                • 26 September 2014 19:05, by Rommel

                  In a letter sent to Joseph Lagu in 1972, Dr. John Garang makes the point "that a region retains the right to secede from the federation if its interests are not adequately served by the federation."

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                  • 26 September 2014 19:06, by Rommel

                    Furthermore, "It must be clear to Southerners that the retention of the right to secede from such a federation must be guaranteed by the federal constitution and by the existence of a physical Southern Armed Forces.

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                    • 26 September 2014 19:07, by Rommel

                      Dr. John Garang understood that the people of South Sudan wanted to secede, but he also understood that ’international’ political and military support for an explicitly secessionist movement would not have been forthcoming, and more importantly, it would have completely alienated the people of the Nuba mountains and Blue Nile...

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                      • 26 September 2014 19:08, by Rommel

                        .. And it would have deprived us of a means of putting pressure to bear on Khartoum in the North. Anyone who thinks that Dr. John Garang wanted to deny us the right to self-determination need only refer to Dr. John Garang’s letter to Gen. Joseph Lagu. In this letter, Garang wanted to accord the right to self-determination to any region in Sudan that felt that secession would serve its interests.

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  • 26 September 2014 18:49, by Kim Deng

    Jang (Rommel),

    When the CPA was signed in 2005, the arabized Nubian gov’t (NIF/NCP) forces were still in Torit let alone Juba, Wau and Malakal. The Nuer as a nation has right to ally with anyone including the Devil himself.

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  • 26 September 2014 18:50, by Kim Deng

    Jang (Rommel),

    When the CPA was signed in 2005, the arabized Nubian gov’t (NIF/NCP) forces were still in Torit let alone Juba, Wau and Malakal. The Nuer as a nation has right to ally with anyone including the Devil himself.

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    • 26 September 2014 19:12, by Rommel

      Kim Deng:

      Was this your achievement? We were fighting on two fronts and we still controlled the vast majority of the South. We controlled some towns like Gogrial, Rumbek, Tonj, Aweil Achwa, Magwi, Yei, Kapoeta, Kurmuk, Kor, Yabu, Zanziber and many others. Khartoum had to airlift supplies into Juba because we controlled all the roads.

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  • 26 September 2014 18:56, by Kim Deng

    The vast area appropriated by the Nuer during the nineteenth century was formerly occupied by a Dinka, Anyuak and Burun population. The fate of this population is one of the most interesting questions pertaining to Nuer expansion. How many Dinka, Anyuak, Burun… were killed by the Nuer? How many died of starvation? How many migrated to other areas? And how many were assimilated into Nuer community?

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  • 26 September 2014 18:57, by Kim Deng

    In 1908-10, the British sought to end the Nuer occupation toward Dinkaland and established control over the area. A new border between the Nuer and Dinka was established at the favor of Dinka at Duk Padiet, fifty miles north of Kongor, and the Ghol, Ric, and Nyarraweng were awarded about four thousand aquare miles of territory they had previously lost during Nuer expansion.

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  • 26 September 2014 18:58, by Kim Deng

    Although a substantial portion of this grant represented an uninhabited no-man’s-land between the Nuer and the Dinka, the Nuer were also required to relinquish territory under active occupation. The Nuer undoubtedly viewed the transfer as a government-sponsored Dinka invasion.

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  • 26 September 2014 19:05, by Kim Deng

    Had the Nuer ever wishded to occupy the whole greater Upper Nile, from Renk to Mading Bor and from Ruweng/Biemnom to Buma-Gambella, it seems unlikely that the other coward Jurs (Jaang, Teet, Jape, Bar, Chai...) could have stopped them.

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  • 26 September 2014 19:10, by Kim Deng

    In war, the skin of Fox is at times as necessary as that of a Lion, for cunning may succeed when force fails. Speaking from his underground rally as mentioned so far, in a message to his disciples, he declared that “the first bullet must be fired against the separatists [Anya Nya II,” as an attempt to impose his self-claimed “New Sudan,” vision on Southern Sudanese and hijacked the movement...

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  • 26 September 2014 19:13, by Kim Deng

    from its founders [separatists] altogether. To make the matter worse, after Col. Dr. Garang’s group secured its position against Lt. Col. Samuel Gai Tut’s group, the seizure of Lt. Col. Samuel’s group by Mr. Marxist-Leninist Garang group did not satisfy Garang’s appetite, but went further and channeled his doom plan to annihilate the [Anya-Nya II] in Bilpam...

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  • 26 September 2014 19:14, by Kim Deng

    by force due to fact that this secessionists’ movement shared the same principles and objectives with camp A. Therefore, to secure the “New Sudan,” vision fully, “the Anya Nya II HQTRs, Bilpam must be destroyed and/or dislodged from its foundation,” Garang declared.

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    • 26 September 2014 19:21, by Rommel

      Kim Deng:

      You keep on talking about the 18th Century because you know that you are impotent in the here and now, and that your best days are behind you and are never to return. There will be no Nuer empire, ever. Keep dreaming.

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      • 26 September 2014 19:24, by Rommel

        Nothing was "hijacked". There were three [3] camps in Ethiopia that were essentially three [3] different movements; there was Gordon Kong’s Bilpam, Bukteng under Samuel Gai Tut and Akuot Atem, and the Adura Camp under John Garang de Mabior, William Nyuon Bany, Joseph Oduho, Martin Majer Gai, Kerubino Kuanyin Bol and others.

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        • 26 September 2014 19:29, by Rommel

          Dr. John Garang made it clear in his 1972 letter to Joseph Lagu that South Sudan had the right to secede and that it could only guarantee this right with its own army. You guys went the other round. You got it backwards. You thought that Khartoum would take you more seriously the more dependent you became. Riek admitted that he got cheated. He didn’t get cheated, he’s just an idiot.

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          • 26 September 2014 19:30, by Rommel

            The late Dr. John Garang very well understood that you couldn’t possibly be taken seriously by Khartoum and achieve a political settlement with the Ignaz Nazis, without an independent army... with an independent source of funding, a separate source of weaponry and ammunition and a separate line of logistics.

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            • 26 September 2014 19:31, by Rommel

              Dr. John Garang made it very clear that autonomy or independence couldn’t be "guaranteed by a few phrases scribbled on some sheets of paper stapled and bound together and christened “The Constitution”." Dr. John Garang wrote that in 1972 — in a letter to Joseph Lagu, warning that the Addis Ababa Agreement would be dishonored in its entirety if the South didn’t have a truly independent army.

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              • 26 September 2014 19:32, by Rommel

                You quite laughably try to justify Riek’s stupidity by saying that he succeded in getting Khartoum to enshrine the right to self-determination in the ’constitution’. Khartoum doesn’t regard documents, conventions and constitutions as worthy of compliance in the absence of force. Does it have any regard for the Geneva convention!? Of course it doesn’t...

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                • 26 September 2014 19:33, by Rommel

                  .. So what makes you think that they would regard the KPA with even a smidgen of sanctity!? Riek is a third rate warlord. They played that fool like a banjo. He was trapped. He couldn’t do anything without their approval. He needed Khartoum to supply him with platforms, weapons, ammunition, fuel, food-relief... everything!

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                  • 26 September 2014 19:37, by Rommel

                    A genocidal State doesn’t give a damn about some flimsy document, otherwise they wouldn’t have murdered millions of people in contravention of the Geneva convention. Garang said this: "It must be clear to Southerners that the retention of the right to secede from such a federation must be guaranteed by the federal constitution and by the existence of a physical Southern Armed forces."

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  • 27 September 2014 01:39, by Kim Deng

    The Khartoum gov’t dishonored too many agreements (Addis Ababa, Fashoda...), and had it not been the presure from the international community especially U.S., the CPA would have been in the same trash-bin.

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    • 27 September 2014 16:17, by Rommel

      Kim Deng:

      The "International community" was a factor, but one can only negotiate from a position of relative strength. In accordance with this military maxim... we were able to attain the CPA, by the virtue of our control of most of South Sudan and our presence in North Sudan. All conflicts, regardless of the circumstances or context follow the same script.

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      • 27 September 2014 16:18, by Rommel

        If the SPLM/A was still in the execrable military position of 1991-2-3, where it was pushed to the border with Uganda and at the brink of imminent defeat... do you think Khartoum would have been at all inclined to concede as much as it did in 2002 if the situation hadn’t changed!?

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  • 27 September 2014 01:43, by Kim Deng

    Persons of the Dinka decent form probably at least half the population of most [Nuer] sub-tribes. These Dinka are either children of captives or immigrants who have been brought up as Nuer, or are themselves captives and immigrants who are residing permanently among Nuer. They are “Jaang-Nath,” “Dinka-Nuer,” and, it is said, “caa Naath,” “they have become Nuer.”

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  • 27 September 2014 01:44, by Kim Deng

    The capture of 372 young women and girls a year during the period of 1818 to 1905 would remove 32,625 productive females from the Central Dinka and Anyuak population and thus eventually decrease that population by 110,915 individuals. The capture of 125 boys a year over the same period would decrease the Central Dinka and Anyuak population by an additional 5,250 persons.

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  • 27 September 2014 01:45, by Kim Deng

    In sum, the proposed rate of capture would effectively transfer 116,165 persons from Central Dinka and Anyuak population to that of the Nuer.

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  • 27 September 2014 01:51, by Kim Deng

    The Mighty Nuer Warriors consider the whole Upper Nile (Renk-Mading Bor, and Biemnom/Ruweng-Buma-Gambella) as their Empire. They (Nuer Warriors) call Mading Bor (Ngundeng City), Malakal (Latjor City), Renk (Mut Dung City)..., and Gambella (Gambel) despite other coward Jurs presence in those towns.

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    • 27 September 2014 06:42, by Hardlinner

      Kim deng, do you really know that population of dinka in greater upper nile is 10% of dinka total population. Imagine if the mighty greater bahr el ghazal dinka follow your cheap history, there would be no nuer left to lit the fire in greater upper nile. So your cheap history had only affected few dinkas.

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    • 27 September 2014 16:25, by Rommel

      Kim Deng:

      What importance do you think I place upon dynamics that are centuries in the past. Are ’Westerners’ [who are now the most powerful people in the world] suppose to feel dejected by the fact that the Arabs defeated them during the crusades? Are the Chinese suppose to feel lesser than the Mongolians because the Mongolians conquered and controlled large swathes of China at one point?

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      • 27 September 2014 16:31, by Rommel

        What can the Arabs do to the West in modern times? What can Mongolia do to China? Dynamics change. Have you forgotten how the Shilluk routinely defeated the Nuer in battle? Of what importance is that today? Dynamics are as fluid as water. Evoking the events of the 18th Century will not help you.

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        • 27 September 2014 16:35, by Rommel

          ..Your posts are a scream for relevance. You’re essentially saying: Please, be in awe of me, fear me and accord me the respect that I feel I deserve for events that took place centuries in the past. Respect me because I *was* [past tense] able to prevail against a divided enemy. That doesn’t impress me. If you had defeated the Shilluk [and not the other way round]... I would be impressed.

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          • 27 September 2014 16:46, by Rommel

            The Shilluk were left unscathed during your expansion in the late 1800s, because they were unified. The Dinka were divided and so thoroughly deserved the afflictions that come with it. The Shilluk were unified and organized; they put their warriors on their border with the Nuer at Tonga and other places... and were thus never troubled by the Nuer.

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            • 27 September 2014 17:00, by Rommel

              .. This is what Peter Adwok said in an interview in 2003: Culturally the Nuer are zero. Assimilation, if it works at all, is into a higher culture, the backwards into a developed culture. That is why the Nuer were assimilated into kingdoms such as the Shilluk when they met cultures higher than theirs.

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              • 27 September 2014 17:06, by Rommel

                He continued with this: For a Shilluk, a Nuer is anybody who is chaotic and an outlaw. There is a Shilluk saying: Yi ba onwar, which means ’Are you a Nuer?’, when someone is not behaving well. An unruly child is also referred to as ’Nuer’, cie nwar to bie tuokto. ’...

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                • 27 September 2014 17:11, by Rommel

                  There is a famous decree by a Shilluk king: ’There are two living animals that should not go to Puchudho [the royal centre] - a live chicken and a Nuer girl.

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                  • 27 September 2014 17:12, by Rommel

                    See unlike the Nuer, the Dinka could not at all be described as constituting a single tribe; they are in fact many tribes. The Dinka -until very recently- quite strangely never saw the impetus to unify as a tribal unit, whereas Nuer sections combined their efforts against a single Dinka section, one at a time.

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                    • 27 September 2014 17:14, by Rommel

                      Historians are at a consensus that you didn’t prevail over the Dinka because of some fanciful notion of military prowess, genius or strategy... You prevailed primarily [if not solely] because of your unity as a tribe, against a divided populace that didn’t have a sense of tribal identity that transcended clan identity and clan loyalty.

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                      • 27 September 2014 17:17, by Rommel

                        The unified Nuer had raiding parties that were usually made up of 1500 men, whereas individual Dinka sections rarely mustered a defencive force above three-hundred men [300], and so it’s not all that surprising [and certainly not all that impressive] that a unified group would prevail over a divided force, that wasn’t sufficiently tribal minded and deployed a smaller force as a consequence.

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                        • 27 September 2014 17:18, by Rommel

                          The advantage of the Nuer was based on sheer numbers rather than novel military strategies or fighting techniques. The Dinka were able to repel smaller Nuer raiding parties, were familiar with Nuer tactics, and employed the same multicolumn organization of forces on their own infrequent raids. (Unto Others: The Evolution and Psychology of Unselfish Behavior Elliott Sober)

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                          • 27 September 2014 17:19, by Rommel

                            Nuer and Dinka oral tradition fail to mention a single battle that was won by a clever new strategy. (Unto Others: The Evolution and Psychology of Unselfish Behavior, Elliott Sober)

                            The Nuer originated as an offshoot of the Dinkas and eventually became distinctive enough to be identified as a separate tribe. (Unto Others: The Evolution and Psychology of Unselfish Behavior, Elliott Sober)

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                            • 27 September 2014 17:20, by Rommel

                              There’s not a population on the face of the earth that hasn’t experienced subjugation and dark moments at some point in their history. The past cannot be mended, rewritten or reprised... it can only be used as a reference to learn from past mistakes. What ultimately matters is what you can do for yourself in the here and now...

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                              • 27 September 2014 17:26, by Rommel

                                ..The good old days of raiding the divided Dinka with impunity are over and are never to return. We [Dinka] lost over a million people, but the war with Khartoum was the single greatest thing that has ever happened to us. Our identity has been forged in a common struggle against your Arab masters. We were like fragments of a broken sword, melded together and reconstituted by fire.

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                                • 27 September 2014 17:36, by Rommel

                                  ..So you can keep on harping on about dynamics centuries in the past much in the same way that Arabs keep on talking about their victories over the Europeans during the crusades. Arabs keep on talking about Al Andalus [Spain] and how they want it back... but what can they do to modern Spain? What can they do to NATO?

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                                  • 27 September 2014 17:41, by Rommel

                                    The words of a bitter man, anchored to yesterday’s glories, desperately holding onto what he used to have and what he has since been deprived of - vicariously living through his ancestors... are but comedy to a man who has power in the here and now. You haven’t accepted the new order, have you? You haven’t accepted the fact that the Dinka are no longer hopelessly divided...

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                                    • 27 September 2014 17:47, by Rommel

                                      .. They now know their potential. The war with Khartoum tested the limits of their endurance. The requirements of survival silenced the voices of division and removed the clouds of doubt. They stand tall and proud of their achievements; they are now the country’s most powerful ethnic group... and this pains you. This is why you feel the need to remind them of a time in which they were underfoot

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  • 27 September 2014 22:42, by Kim Deng

    Jang(Ammel),

    Are telling me one section of coward Jaang can face one Mighty Nuer Warriors in battle field? Nyaraweng vs Lou Nuer, Hol vs Gawaar Nuer, Twi vs. Lou Nuer, Bor vs. Thiang Nuer, Lak vs Lauch of Khorfulus, E. Jikany Nuer (Ulang, Nasir, Longechuk, Maiwut, and Gambella) vs. Fadang (Baliet, Maluth, Renk, Abyei, Khorfulus), or Malual vs. Bul Nuer. There is on march between D & N sections.

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  • 27 September 2014 22:43, by Kim Deng

    Being further removed from early incursions of the Nuer, the Twi, like the Bor, have suffered far less from yearly raids/invasions and have fattened upon their brother Dinka’s misfortunes. There is no doubt that they (the Twi) regarded the yearly flight for refuge into their country by the Nyarraweng and Ric as a chance for profit and were in the habit of annexing a large percentage...

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  • 27 September 2014 22:49, by Kim Deng

    of the herds of these tribes when the latter retired disorganized upon them for support. It is also quite clear that Nuer military domination of the Dinka and other Jurs was grounded in their capacity to field a numerically superior fighting force, and in the organizational features through which mobilization on a large scale was effective.

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  • 27 September 2014 22:50, by Kim Deng

    Other aspects of the Nuer advantage were secondary and derivative. Nuer Warriors tactics are relatively simple and straightforward.

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  • 27 September 2014 22:56, by Kim Deng

    Nuer don’t view these wars (1983, 1991, and 2013) as a war between Jaang and Nuer rather than polical war based on polical interests. I wish this war (2013) is a war between pure Jaang and Nuer without involving other Jurs, and see we can claim the victory. I believe the victory is always belong to Nuer when it comes Nuer vs Jaang.

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    • 28 September 2014 05:13, by Rommel

      Kim Deng:

      You are beyond pathetic. I truly pity you. You were Khartoum’s little slaves in Upper Nile. You defended oilfields on their behalf and made desperate alliances with the SAF, PDF and the Baggara Arabs. The Dinka were the opposite. That’s why Khartoum hated us. That’s why they targeted us. They don’t respect you. They have never respected you...

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      • 28 September 2014 05:20, by Rommel

        .. You are nothing but slaves to them. You’re ashamed and this is what your posts are all about. You were desperate cowards. You are projecting. In psychological terms, projectionism is when someone projects their own noxious qualities onto someone else, and then censures the recipient for now apparently possessing those noxious qualities.

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        • 28 September 2014 05:21, by Rommel

          You realise that the Dinka fought Khartoum bravely, while you guarded oilfields on their behalf, and so naturally you feel ashamed. This is why you constantly dredge up instances from well over a century ago to make yourself feel better about yourself. This is essentially your own pathetic little brand of therapy.

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          • 28 September 2014 05:25, by Rommel

            Allow me to cite for you the work of a historian:

            Throughout the fighting, not one war casualty was admitted to the Nasir hospital. Riek’s troops sat idle as Khartoum pushed back the Dinka. The results of Riek’’s sell-out to Khartoum could not have been more glaring. The Dinka suffered mightily. (Me Against My Brother: At War in Somalia, Sudan and Rwanda, Scott Peterson)

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            • 28 September 2014 05:34, by Rommel

              The counterattacks of 1991 was spearheaded by the sons of Duk, Twic east and Bor. It was they that defeated you at Gut-Makur, a village just outside Mongalla. And it was they that destroyed you at at Gem - defeated all opposing forces in Nuer territory at Kuac Deng, with Riek’s forces experiencing defeat after being pursued, hounded and cut down as far as Uror, Akobo, Nyirol, Yuai and Ayod.

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              • 28 September 2014 05:39, by Rommel

                The Dinka didn’t work together like the great Chollo kingdom. Clan interests, greed, indifference, dishonor and the abandonment of one’s kin and kith prevailed. Twic-east took advantage of Duk’s plight, predated on them and left them to suffer as though they were not related. This was the essential problem. This was your only advantage.

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                • 28 September 2014 05:47, by Rommel

                  Do you even read the citations that you so gratuitously post up? They agree with me. They affirm that the Nuer prevailed solely because the Dinka were terribly disunited and fielded numerically smaller forces. You weren’t better warriors and you didn’t employ better strategies and tactics. Unity provided you with numbers and numbers were your sole advantage.

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                  • 28 September 2014 05:50, by Rommel

                    I don’t care how you people view the 90s. The vast majority of the Nuer had defected. Only a small handful [like Hoth] stayed back. The Equatorial defence force joined your faction, so did Alfred Lado’s Popular Resistance Movement/Army. The vast majority of the Shilluk joined your faction. The Murle were [like you] already allies of Khartoum. The Fertit were against us...

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                    • 28 September 2014 05:56, by Rommel

                      .. The Didinga were against us. The Toposa were against us, as were the Lotuka, Acholi and many others. The only allies that we had during the war were the Nuba and the people of Blue Nile. In addition to all these Southern tribes that were on your side or just against us... you had the Arabs as your allies and you still lost.

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                      • 28 September 2014 05:57, by Rommel

                        Your allies were Arabs and our allies were/are Africans. What’s the problem? Why do you refuse to honesty speak about your alliance with Khartoum during the war? Why didn’t your alliance with the Arabs ultimately provide you with an edge!? Your ally was furnished with bombers, jets, helicopter gunships and long range rocket artillery..

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                        • 28 September 2014 05:58, by Rommel

                          The allies of the Dinka [the Nuba and the people of Blue Nile] had far less troops to offer; little to no heavy weaponry, no steady stream of supplies, no resources and no military industrial base. Your alliance produced a numerically superior force and was furnished with a palette of destructive weaponry. You had a far stronger ally. You should have won... Comfortably, completely!

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                          • 28 September 2014 06:03, by Rommel

                            The few Equatorians that were in the army have already been disarmed. The military leadership doesn’t seem to trust them. Most tribes in South Sudan are anti-Dinka, but have remained neutral. The war in 90s was tribal, and you lost that war. The Equatorians weren’t on our side. The Fertit weren’t on our side. You had more resources and stronger allies... and you were defeated...

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                            • 28 September 2014 06:08, by Rommel

                              .. And even then, we didn’t give you the attention that you deserved. You should have suffered more, but our primary concern was Khartoum. Why worry about the slave when you can confront the master? The days of you fielding and deploying a *numerically superior* force against a divided enemy are over. Your only advantage has been swept way like dust in the wind.

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                              • 28 September 2014 06:20, by Rommel

                                The Dinka are a little more unified now, but I’m far from satisfied. The Dinka need to be more tribal minded. In addition to the Dinka of greater Upper Nile and Tonj, the Lakes State Dinka don’t even want to fight. This group includes the Agar, Ciec, Atuot, Gok and the Aliap. The Dinka should administer their lands in greater Upper Nile.

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                                • 28 September 2014 06:23, by Rommel

                                  We can endure hardship. We contributed the most divisions and martyrs. We can endure being the primary target of Khartoum’s war designs and campaigns. We can endure [as we have before] losing well over a million people for a cause that we believe in. We have confronted infinitely stronger, smarter and more numerous enemies. You are nothing. Were this to become purely tribal, you would lose.

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