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Kiir says chances of united Sudan are slim


October 27, 2009 (KHARTOUM) — General Salva Kiir Mayardit, First Vice President of the Republic of Sudan and President of the semi autonomous region of Southern Sudan, said chances of united Sudan are slim and next to impossibility.

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Salva Kiir, First Vice President of the Government of National Unity of Sudan and President of the Government of Southern Sudan (AFP)

However, he was quick to say there are hopes and possibilities that Sudan may remain united given its history full of diversities and intricacies if the ruling national congress party commits to peaceful implementation of the Naivasha peace accord.

Kiir, who was talking to reporters after a meeting on Monday 26, with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, to discuss Sudan’s conflicts, said South Sudan will be forced to succeed from the north in an upcoming referendum because North has intentionally failed to make unity unattractive.

Referring to the famous quote of late Dr.John Garang De Mabior, he said, in his culture and particularly in his home village, no man even if he is the ugliest one loves and prefers marrying an ugly woman.

Therefore, it is the north to try by all means possible win back or restore trust and confidence lost in them by selling better relations to southern brothers and sisters, he said.

He said Khartoum government is never showing any sign of making unity an attractive option for Christian and animist inhabiting south of the country.

Each time South tries seeking better relationship the north, its does the opposite particularly those that reminds people of the past and hard relationships the two regions had undergone, he commented.

Kiir was referring to Malakal and Abyei incidents considered to have been instigated and sponsored by the ruling national congress party through the use of proxy war with their allies such as militias.

Sudan’s longest two-decade civil war ended in a 2005 peace agreement that included a provision for a 2011 referendum for the southerners to choose if they wanted to remain in the country.

Kiir also accused the government of failing to implement fully the peace agreement including the demarcation of the oil-rich border region between the north and the south.

The peace deal put an end to the 21-year-old civil war between north and ex-rebels in the south that left 2 million people dead and 4 million displaced.

But the deal is plagued by distrust between the two sides and has repeatedly threatened to unravel, bringing to the two sides to the brink of war.

In the agreement, Sudan is to conduct posted parliamentary and presidential elections in April 2010 as the first national elections that include South Sudan in four decades as well as the referendum.

These elections are seen as crucial for keeping peace but disputes in recent past have arisen between the two parties over referendum law and census results, which are the basis for drawing election constituencies. They also disagree over the rules for carrying out the referendum.

In Monday’s statement Kiir refused to postpone both the election and the referendum.


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  • 28 October 2009 05:26, by Lado

    If the foolish Nuer majority are not going to betray us again we will surely achieve our independent.

    No attractive unity anymore Kiir, we are yearning for the independent south.

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    • 28 October 2009 05:54, by Mr Famous Big_Logic_Boy

      You and your poor dinkas deserve unity, but not everyone. Your criminal dinkas cry for it so that they can continue surving as servants by working for arabs. Get to know the facts before it is too late for you to decide dude.

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      • 28 October 2009 06:23, by Gatwech

        Mr. Famous Big Logic Boy,

        I congratulate for detecting Lado not from Equatoria. He is using the name of Equatoria in his desperate attempt to knock their heads with the Nuer.

        Back to the topic, I congratulate President Kiir for his acknowledgement that unity is no more. But Kiir should discipline some of his reckless party members who go against smooth implementation of the CPA. NCP has given the South 51% to declare it independent and 66% of their eligible voters to come out. They did not say all the 100% of eligible voters must vote, but only 2/3 (66%). Now some SPLM members plus northern opposition parties want to open a Pandora Box by rejecting the deal and want to renegotiate it with the NCP. This may force the NCP to go back to its original position and may drag the referendum bill negotiations beyond January 2011. Do you accept this tactic to destroy the referendum?

        Why didn’t the SPLM and other South Sudan political parties just concentrate on working out internal mechanisms to make sure that if for example 1,000,000 are registered, 660,000 of them should vote. This should include looking for support for logistics from your foreign friends, enligtening potential voters, training law enforcement agencies to provide security, etc, etc. I thought referendum is number one in the minds of Southerners even 95% would be eager to come out and vote. Now you are reopening the negotiations. In this case who wants to create a crisis? Is it NCP or SPLM?

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        • 28 October 2009 07:57, by Dinka Boy

          Thanks President Kiir Mayardit,
          this should be example to show betrayers that we wants something that will benefits Southerners.
          Please fools like Thieliny, Gatwech, Kim Deng must read the quote below. "Referring to the famous quote of late Dr.John Garang De Mabior, he said, in his culture and particularly in his home village, no man even if he is the ugliest one loves and prefers marrying an ugly woman".
          Please the quote above means if North are hostile and still fail making unity attractive then South will be a separate country. You guys are always crying that DR Macahr is the one running for separation,that is false.
          You Nuer are stick with 66% vote cast which is try and error method but that is hell.
          Please learned how leader must think to brighten the atmoshere of all people.

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        • 28 October 2009 16:58, by murlescrewed

          Pathetic moron aka Gatwitch,

          You are nothing but Riek house cleaner and will never be anything more. Everything to you is an attempt to torpedo Riek’s political future. Riek has already done plenty of work to retard his political future. That is known.

          President Kiir has his flaws but we know where he stands on issues. He is not like Riek who is like a political prostitute running from one corner seeking favors to another. This man has finite number of break before getting his head chopped off.

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      • 28 October 2009 06:49, by south sudan independence is a must

        Famous or whatever

        in this point you have right,but in any tribe there are weak people or politician that can allies simple with strongest colonist(Arabs),how long they arabs will colonies us? and who will stop him from this bullshit,and when will we stop him? how long you will be consider as the second citizen within your own country? AHAAAAAAAAAAAAA, let those fool politician who are always fooled by Arab and they don’t learned just because of personal interests struggle for unity and after their achievement, we as new generation will start the movement which can not be fooled again until we get independence of South Sudan, the problem between us and jallabas will not end until we separate from them!
        GOD Bless second Israel of Black in (Africa).

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      • 28 October 2009 08:14, by Dinka Boy

        Fool logic Boy,
        If Dinka are after unity then unity can happen for sure. But we not for unity.
        People of South will be given their right to decide for unity or separation.

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        • 28 October 2009 09:50, by Mr Famous Big_Logic_Boy

          Dead BULL or dinkas boy

          What do you think will happen to you if we go for unity, isn’t them same worse treatment by arabs were your girls seel the same for piece of bread? yes as a fool you can deny, but the facts are well known in history of Sudan that dinkas are the real victims of slavery in 20 century. A fool will never live in a luxurious house 24/7 electricity power and 24/7 body plus gate guarde. IN your dreams you think am like you dog feed up with cow dung and having a rough face.

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          • 28 October 2009 11:52, by lualditraandit

            Big Logic boy Iam not happy for what the Dinka boys did to your mother in 1994 when they puck her until they removed out the uterus. So although you abuse them for hundred times, you will not reverse for what they have did to your mother. for your advice it is better for you to keep quiet then you bother yourself to abuse them.

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      • 28 October 2009 08:35, by Tony Komayiit

        To Gatwech,logic boy,

        Hi my dear,

        why are you confusing your self on what your ancestral deed? i am sorry for your wicked comment while you know those who were Arabs collaborators,it start with nuer who are simple fool with a kilo of sugar,and follow by nyamnyam who were washing Arabs anus,with out Dinka you could have not have this chance of marrying your fellow Equatorian while you have been used by Arabs as their wife and your sisters have been distribute to Arabs soldiers as their right to fuck them as ration for a day while let your family have what to eat in juba and Khartoum.
        Ooh no,we fought for it and we will defend south from any cockroach who say unity,no no,to unity,and if united Sudan than prepared for the dark days you dogs.
        Dinkas deserve to destroyed all northern traitors by all mean with no mercy on you idiots!

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      • 28 October 2009 08:52, by alfred81

        Mr,President is right, chances are slim, arab are there to frustrate the CPA, our GOSS president shouldn’t be vague about what he wanted to say, those aren’t Abel and Lagu times, where Southerners were prssured to say what the nothern elite want them to say and do, that time is over my friend, go for it brother kiir
        Long live our salva kiir
        Southern Sudan paid with thier life and blood, no joke about it brothers

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      • 28 October 2009 11:15, by alvin ajou

        Mr. Logic boy

        We dinka of South Sudan, nobody hates unity with Arabs like us brother. I am telling you the truth. We are even worried that our brothers from Nuer tribe will fail our independence if they vote for unity in 2011 because you nuer just came from Khartoum in 2005 and Arabs are still using you as militias. Even if we fail to make other tribes in South Sudan as our allies, we Arabs will not fail to make Nuer our ally, says Al Bashir in 2007. So i just want to tell you that we Dinka are the number one enemy of Arabs,i hope we will suceed and South Sudan will become an independent state like the rest and unity will only be achieved when you nuer don’t support primitive leader like Matip and support the rest like James Hoth, Changson Chang and John Luk if you don’t want Dinka. I am saying this because Matip will one day, one time attempt to fight with us and will immediately gun him down and your hearts will be broken which we don’t want to happen to you as the tribe which is in the same group of River lake Nilote with us. You should support educated people like James Hoth and the rest. Now we Dinka have this tribal confusion with you but not because we hate you, it is because you support somebody who is totally confused even your brothers who are educated are also supporting primitive who is a friend to Arabs. Do you think that Arabs can treat you better than Dinka. You also like group fighting which you nuer usually end up losing your territories, hats and cattle and then you make a decision to fight Dinka through Arabs. Let me tell you the Real Enemy is Arabs.

        God bless people of South Sudan.

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      • 28 October 2009 11:16, by longk

        Dear Logic Boy
        your husband Basire, please talk to him not to go to West Africa, otherwis he will br introuble soon. once again southerners, will soon win this independent south if you don’t know my friend.

        Anyway say hi tou your husband and


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      • 28 October 2009 12:28, by Bulky

        look at logic who does not know what is talking about.who told you Dinka are not interesting in independent of south Sudan.
        The SplM vision in the first place was to liberate the marginalized people of Sudan including people of Nuba mountain and people of blue Nile.
        The SPLM stand for Sudan people liberation movement which means the people of southern Sudan should not just rush for independent but include their brothers from the North who participated during the 21 year-civil war with the SPLa/SPLm
        The only ways and means is to allow referendum in order to exercise democracy. this would bring no doubt left to our brothers in the North.
        Our late Dr Garang mentioned in his speech that anyone who wants to be second citizen in her own country will vote for unity what does this mean to you Mr logic-boy?

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    • 28 October 2009 06:00, by Khent


      Your comment is inflammatory and unnecessary. What impelled you to interject the Naath community into this?

      Stop masquerading yourself as an Equotorian!

      It is dishonorable to feign an identity, in order to disparage an adversary. By not engaging your percieved threats directly (with your real idenitity), you show any neutral observer that you can only run scared.

      My name is Chol Akoy, and I as a Dinka, find it deplorable and disconsolating that some of my fellow tribemen see no problem with such behaviour.

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      • 28 October 2009 08:42, by Tony Komayiit

        chol akoy,

        who are naath in Sudan? it bad for collaborators to call them self sufferior,i know it is because your mother is from Dinka and that why you are pretending to a dinka,shame on you son of a bitch,you with your foolish Nuer will never have room in south.

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        • 29 October 2009 01:15, by Khent

          You protest against my reference to the Nuer tribe as the Naath. Do you also reject our tribe’s reference to itself as the Muonyjang?

          Your entire rambling marks tremendous stupidity, that doesn’t deserve going over with in circular exchanges. How about actually addressing what was requested of you?.

          You’ve completely convinced me that you are either unable or unwilling to get it.

          But that’s your loss. You want to be the mere tool I use to teach those able and willing to learn? So be it.

          My message is simple...Peace. However, if you wish to be an apparatus of hatred, do so with HONOUR. Clearly display your true identity.

          We as citizens of this great, but troubled Nation in waiting, have to ask ourselves questions, such as: do want our past tribal conflicts to define our future separate State?

          Or will we treat each other individually, Collectively (at least on this board with respect?) Forgive the fact that this post is interrogatory, but the status quo, the way in which we dialogue is nothing short of repugnant to patriots and civil minded individuals alike!

          I sincerely hope that those belligerent-like, obnoxious members of our society represent a small minority. So let’s start anew and let those profane, hate filled individuals, with their tempestuous remarks take their proper place as pariahs, rather than as determinants.

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    • 28 October 2009 06:13, by Brother keeper

      I think you are so stupid man why are u saying this?

      You need to learn how to be a human.

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    • 28 October 2009 07:34, by Aarai Baka

      Thank to you mr. Salva Kiir, Vice President of Sudan

      you been trying very hard to bring peace among Sudanese but some parties failed to meet that peace. Mr Kiir one thing u should do, say all u have said in Egypt to NCP in Khartuom than saying it in others countries. ncp need no peace because if peace is been implemented and unity on tract, ncp will lose power because of wanted man to be in power for time if South seperated as a different State.

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      • 28 October 2009 16:50, by Brother keeper

        Thank you that is it you got it thank so much we all should care about South Sudan. And also Salva Kirr, is not a bad President bilve it or not he is a good man with big heart for all of us. He is not like Garang/Raik Machar always love power he is showing us peacefull leadership.

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    • 28 October 2009 08:35, by M.Cool.J

      Hey so called Lado! You must be a Dinka who pretends to be from Equatoria and that is too childish an idea my brother.

      Sometimes when it comes to serious issues that needs special close look you should put aside that hatred based on tribalism.Was your mother once fucked by any Nuer man?
      You know we are mature and we have to behave maturely guys.

      One thing is now we are spoiling the names of our leaders which is not good at all.

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      • 28 October 2009 08:42, by Dinka Boy

        Dear Mr M. Cool j,
        I am sure to be born Anuer because they have zero capabilities of leadership style, no human thinking, they are traitors, defector when thing are bitter, they are militias food lovers, they like bribes from Khartoum, they have separte militia in the South( Matip militias), they followed Riek and Lam to the toilet, they belief in Idols Ngundeng/Wurnyang, and they are nothing to us because of their mindset.

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    • 28 October 2009 09:02, by D.B Lotongun

      Lado,it is become too monotonous for you as being always one of tribalism promoters in South-Sudan.Let us give sense comments which will lead us to achieve our vision and dream of independent as Southerners other than preaching tribalism.When shall we learn to give credit where necessary?How shall we put tribal conflicts to an end if some of us are continue to preach and encourage tribalism?

      It is good that you are yearning for south independent as majority of us do.But what do you think could fulfill our yearning for independent? Those whom you think could betray us from achieving independent may not only being from Nuer but even from your own tribe mate.Let us try to create attractive unity of South-Sudan to achieve our independent.I always blame the leaders who are fueling tribal clashes within South-Sudan because non of the culprit has been brought to the court of law.

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    • 28 October 2009 09:35, by mayor

      To Mr Gatwech

      good on you Mr Gatwech, to talk about disciplince, and because these words have came out on your mouth I have to say to you some good advice please.

      true we need to disciplince very important persns, these persons are you and Mr Reick Machar particulary with his majority of ignorant.

      Mr Gatwech your commeterise in this webside can tells people that you are a very close man to Mr Reick Machar the Boy of hierling Lam Akol.

      please tll him that if you want the leadership of SPLM/A you must cut off your secret contact with the hierling by NCP Lam Akol, because most of Southern people don’t like what you are doing with him, he misslead you in 1991 by bringing you out from SPLM/A to khartoum and has aresult of that you are facing alot of criticism from Southern becaus of hieling old man Lam Akol.

      You have attempted to form your so cll South Sudam independence movement army, (SSIMA ) which led heavy combates against SPLM/A that we have brokke away from its as a result of our mental problem which is still with us today.

      we fought them and after we fail to beat them with big support of everything by NCP, at the end we opt to go back to them because they are our brothers in South, and despite that they welcome us as you work currently as a vice chairman in their movement SPLM/A that have never change its vision that was set out by the Col, Dr John Garang-De Mabior, God belss him on his tomb you must say that dear Gatwech.

      Mr Gatwech, I believe your are a good boy to Reick he will listen to you, please tell him not to be misslead again by hierling Lam Akol.

      and thank you

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    • 4 November 2009 04:02, by Brother keeper

      Stop talking about tribes man it sound stupid.
      there is nothing to do with Nuer or any tribe here in this case.

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  • 28 October 2009 05:30, by Allajabu

    That is what we want to hear from you Mr. President. Also, you need to reign on tribalism and corruption that marred your government in Juba. Moreover, you ought to stop manslaughtering of civil populations by all means.

    Professor Allajabu Hassan Surur Al Dinkawi

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    • 28 October 2009 06:03, by Angelo Ajiech Manyuat

      Bravo Kiir, We don’t trust Northerners any more simply because we already lost confident due to their fake promises. I believe arabs are not good people to share a country with. We have our own culture and lifestyle that are different from theirs. If NCP don’t ban or stop Sharia Law then Sudan will remain a hell comparable to Somali. How can we accept dirty unity and dwell with those terrorize people who don’t care about the life of innocent people. Their role is killing and manipulation. Southerners in all walks of lives should not be manipulated this time. We need to have our own country so we can stay happy and enjoy our resources that God gave us.

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  • 28 October 2009 05:44, by Dengtaath

    Let the tribalists listen to the leaders when they talk about the problems of our country, if your heart cannot record what the message talk about then get pen and keep it in front of your dairy make sure the leaders are not talking about Dinka, Nuer, Shiluk and ecetra.
    There are at the mean time burning issues that need Southern unity badly, few of us who are able to educate the world in this website must better sending good image to the media rather than sending messages that fragmenting the nation of the South.
    Our dear leaders,are leaders that talk about problems that we had endured during all 21 years of war, these are our dear leaders.
    Few people who are interesting in the tribal debates, my dear that is a bad business I can tell you.
    Listen care fully our leaders have lost energy because since 1983 until now, they never rest.
    Think about hard job they do and forget about tribalism.Give them hand by appreciating their work, this will be the support we can give when we are writing to the media, tribal messages are totally damaging.

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    • 28 October 2009 06:00, by tiomdit_maker

      Thank you so much Mr.Dengtaath,I wish all of us in this website would think the way you thought,we would educate the world as well as our leaders too for any mistake they made.

      But a lot of us think about their tribemen all the times they had to comment.People like Gatwech,Kim deng ,Logicboy,theleliny they should read Dengtaath’s comment before they may say something about Riek amd Matip.

      And again thank you Mr. Dengtaath.Tiop Maker.

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      • 28 October 2009 06:32, by Gatwech


        I thought you were going to name Lado (Dinka Boy) as the first tribalist based on his first comment above. You did not name him. Can you see your heart full of bias?

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        • 28 October 2009 07:01, by tiomdit_maker

          Not that at all Mr.Gatwech.The reason I single you guys out,is the kind of argued you guys make all the times about Riek and Paulino Matip.

          Your comment all the times base on your tribemen.And also your arguement always seem to some people like you guy had another party beside the SPLM/A.And that why everybody here ignor your comment.About Dinka boy,off course I don’t agree with him.And I am very sure I had never support an comment he made.And you can check some of my comment.

          Secondly,Mr. Gatwech you are really a creative men.You can creat something from nothing.Some time you talk about Riek,I just look at your comment there is truth on it. If I would tell you that I was with Riek Machar in 1991 in Ketbeek you wouldn’t beleived.I was a radio operator you can many bodygaurd at Riek HQ.

          Riek Machar is nothing but a failure.I have known the man from his head to his toe.I cannot vote from Riek in my life.I better vote from the unity instead separation.Think about that Mr.Gatwech,and I don’t want to argue with you.You can anything you like about Riek but there is nothing will take him to presidency if he did not change his behavior.Thank.Tiop Maker or gulf Tango.

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          • 28 October 2009 08:05, by mathem jech amer


            The ugliest, most foolish, primitive and dirtiest people found in Southern Sudan are Nuers, Murles, Taposas including BUSTA 2 & Logic_boy, Latuka, Buoya & Didinka.

            Where do these tribes belong?

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            • 28 October 2009 09:55, by BEN-ALEX PIRAMOE

              Dear mathem
              The most primitive, ugliest creature in this world must be you how dere are you cretisizing your fellow country mates who will believe in you, before you go further of your useless talkings you must first have to understand and judge the topic,
              you are the very people breaking the plate of the food you have been given to eat i don’t blame you kiir is right by clarified to us about the coming election the probability is half weather we going to vote for unity

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              • 28 October 2009 12:19, by mathem jech amer


                My friend, your primitive look and judging ideas has no room. Just read your Nuers or Equatorians like Logic_boy, BUSTA 2, Kim Deng,Ramabang Deng,Gatwech comments, have ever ask them why they comment contrary to the topic? If not, then please don’t interfere with my comments. Fighting between Taposas & Turkanas, is there ant connection with Dinkas? Your foolish people from Nuers & Equatoria as I mentioned them aligned this to Dinka.

                This is just a matter of reasoning and philosophical analysis and interpretation of ideas.

                This government has representation from all constituencies and nobody can claim that it is Dinka government, if you think it is, then ask your Equatorians or Nuers parliamentarians to resign and leave Dinkas alone in their Government, then if not, then refrain from Dinka name irrelevantly.

                Jech Amer, Juba

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            • 28 October 2009 11:40, by Paul Ongee

              Dear readers,

              I ’d like assure you that there are some people making nasty comments on any articles written good/bad about southern Sudan and GOSS officials. The first person by name Lado hid his true identity in order to preach tribal hatred among Southerners. Where is Oshay? There are so many NCP agents pretending to be Dinka, Nuer, Bari, Azande, etc. without considering what comes out of their brain reflect NCP agenda and wishes of divide and rule the infidels.

              Preaching tribal violence or claiming tribal supremacy in southern Sudan will not take us back to square one as some of the intended comments suggest. The light is already seen at the end of the tunnel. The successive Islamic regimes in Khartoum have totally failed over the last fifty years to make unity attractive. Can these so-called Sudanese Arabs/Arab Sudanese successfully sell unity over the few remaining months for South Sudan not to go separate? I hope not. How will they impose unity on marginalzed people at this time?

              The so-called Sudanese Arabs (though black in color) often identify themselves first with the Arabs in the Middle East simply because of the common Islamic religion and then second to Africans because of Sudan’s (regardless of its meaning) geographical location on the continent of Africa. To Sudanese Arabs, it is not the case of going to Rome and be like Romans anymore. Their Islamic culture is often considered superior to all other African, Animist or Christian culture.

              The imposition of Sharia Law in 1983 was simply intended to uproot southerners and keep Darfurians heads down in the name of Muslim brotherhood. Thanks to SPLA/M for resolutely ringing wake up call bell. Darfur is burning in the eyes of the so-called Arab League. However, Darfur will only see lasting peace when Jesus Christ intervenes, believe me or not.

              Southern Sudan will still go whether the so-called Sudanese Arabs like it or not, preach hatred or violence among southern tribes and Darfurian warlords. Failing to implement CPA in good faith and spirit will ultimately affect other signed agreements such as ESPA and DPA. Dishonoring agreemnts—whether regionally or internationally recognized— is not something new to Khartoum.

              This time things are completely different. The choice is theirs to honor signed agreements and bring lasting peace to Darfur or face disintegration or ICC in The Haigue. Recruited Juda Iscariots among Southerners will obviously fail through their actions, comments and writings that only reflect the interest of the proclaimed Arab Sudanese instead of appreciating cultural diversity and making unity of the country attractive.

              Therefore, the Africans who converted to Islam in Sudan are not for the realization of equality and freedom as proclaimed by the Islamic fundamentalists in Khartoum but for real survival and second-class citizenry in ones own country.

              Paul Obwolto

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              • 29 October 2009 10:43, by okucu pa lotinokwan

                Mr Paul Ongee you are very correct in following all the nonsense writing in the Sudantribune, these are the NCP,arabs creating hatred among the tribes in south sudan , my advices to the fellow southerners please love yourself and stand firm, infront of your enemy even if mean death, die for your fellowman.In 2005 when we lost our HERO,Dr John Garang at the same time the arabs complicate that General Paulino Matip was also killed to let Nuer fight against Dinka see how trick they are,please see how arabs want to complicate things, if you go over it very carefully on what Mr Paul Ongee wrote in his article of yesterday on the visit of our president Mayardit to Egypt,you will find he ia very correct,and right from the first man who gave his comment on the visit of our president to Egypt, is NCP arab, he want to confuse we southerners,because things are falling apart for NCP party and they knew it very well,that is why they don,t want to die alone like the devil,SOUTHERNERS WATCH OUT.See even the way they put their English,a southerner can not write like that.

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          • 28 October 2009 09:05, by alfred81

            Be cureful brothers, not everyone in here is from the south, some of those folks have fake identity, and are arab from the north, the reason behind those names, is to confuse you, so please don’t answer them, don’t even waste your time on thier comments. Dinka boy-logic boy, are the same people.
            wise people do not let themselve to be fool, by the foolish

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        • 28 October 2009 08:06, by Dinka Boy

          To all Naath,
          My advise to all of you is to adapted our culture.
          I mean the culture of leadership style dear brothers and sisters.
          There is no Naath that can give credit to liberators, they give credit to defector Riek Macahr and Matip because they are Nuer.
          Please stop that and learn from the etic views.

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          • 28 October 2009 09:04, by Rambang Deng

            Dinka Boy;

            We the Nuer don’t want to adapt an incompetent lazy corruptists’ culture which wasted $8 Billions United States Dollars without any public benefits.

            We also don’t want to sell our kids for food and become so cheap that each soul cost only about $50 United States Dollars.

            And after all, who want to be a Dinka and become a coward lazy potential slave?

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            • 28 October 2009 09:22, by Dinka Boy

              Mr Rabang Deng,
              According to where i was born, someone who once disgrace their family (Southerners) deserved disrespected.
              I have no respect on you guys because of the disgracement that your community did to the citizens of South.
              If there were no other tribes apart from Nuer then we would not talk about unity or separation. I don,t know why the waste their time talking about the issues of South instead they should get shame all the times.
              They were the first to be Nyagats and the start to make noise that their leader is going to bring separation or the interest to the South whiel we were the one liberate them from North.False! false! false! u are nothing in the South.

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              • 28 October 2009 09:38, by Rambang Deng

                Dinka Boy or Dinka Bor;

                We the Nuers don’t need any respect from retarded slaves coward lazy Dinka Bor. You Dinka Bor know that the Lou Nuer are going to get your coward lazy butts sooner or later and that is why you are making noise like barking dogs in this internet which is a big shield for your coward community.

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                • 28 October 2009 09:44, by Dinka Boy

                  Thanks as long you don,t called me Nuer.

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              • 28 October 2009 17:38, by Judge Kor

                To all Dinka boys,

                Please; can we have educated members on this board so Nuer can discus things with them maybe they can reason. The one that are here such as Dinka Boy are not politicians, they are there to practice their ESL.

                Gatwech and Thieling; please don’t mind these stupid individuals, they will never understand what you are telling them on this board.

                Judge Kor

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            • 28 October 2009 11:33, by alvin ajou

              Rambang deng

              Did you ask Matip last time when he was giving billions of dollars to Arabs through oil in Bentiu.
              Did he help Nuer with that huge amount.

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          • 28 October 2009 09:13, by alfred81

            you are trying to mis-lead southerners, you want nuer to be mad at dinka and dinka at nuer, but my little evil, isn’t working at all, you got to be ashame at yourself, stop making fool of yourself. we know very good, that you are not a dinka nor a nuer, you are just notherner who is blood thristy.

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    • 28 October 2009 09:12, by D.B Lotongun

      Thanks Dengtaath,keep up the spirit of South-Sudan unity.The tribalists will earn nothing in their mission of always thinking of killing their own innocent brothers and sisters.one day,one time and one second they will have no time for repentance other than facing hell.Shame on them.

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  • 28 October 2009 06:02, by oshay

    No one is begging Southerners to remain united. Only the NCP is, but the rest of the Sudanese population doesn’t care.

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    • 28 October 2009 06:12, by Angelo Ajiech Manyuat

      You dirty Osay, how many times did I told you to mind your dirty self-interest business with arabs. Don’t fake your name and pretend to be arab while you’re Nuer who still asking favor and bribe from arab. There are lots of jobs in Juba, so stop dirty job and come to Juba.

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      • 28 October 2009 07:08, by Afredo christiani

        Hi to everybody
        Well done Mr. President this is what we expected to happen, go ahead with good job and do not forget dangerous black Arabs in your government. Take care. We are after you with cleaned AK-47, T 52-T 62 and other automatics weapons. Any attempt within or anywhere we will deal away with. If you achieve the independent of south, you will lead us until god call you.
        The writer is a true liberator and son of the south.

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        • 28 October 2009 09:08, by Rambang Deng

          When did slave coward Dinka learned how to fight, today at 5:00 PM Sudan local time,Uhuu?

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          • 28 October 2009 11:42, by alvin ajou

            Rambang Deng

            If you think that dinka cannot fight then give me your details and tell me wherever you are staying. i promise you my friend you will release some fluids.

            It is only late William Nyuon and James Hoth Who are not cowards in Nuer community while the rest are women.

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    • 28 October 2009 06:21, by Biliu

      Right to the point Mr. president, unity with the north is not feasible and next to impossibility, the same north our grandfathers fought in 1956 is the same north they fought again in 1970s and even the same north we and our fathers fought in 1983, north is too deformed to be reform and we have to unit our lines this time to achieve secession as the only choice left for us to put an end to our sufferings once and for all… I can’t wait to 2011!!

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  • 28 October 2009 06:46, by J.James

    Thank Kiir

    Now you have at least said something that send me and others to smile, this days I have competely withdrawn my vote from you steming back to the day of the meeting between SPLM and the notorious arab opposition party leaders who just trying to decieve our course by pretending to create fox-hyena-like friendship style. That was not SPLM ground at all and indeed you were going to lose in big margin. Mr. Kiir better to remember that some of us who were in the bushe like you, are facing only one straight direction and no reverse at whatsover.

    Also fulfil the promises you made to Murle community in April 2007 for you to get your support back otherwise you will get zero vote there.

    God bless

    The writer watches closely.

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    • 28 October 2009 08:28, by Dinka Boy

      Who is this stupid talking?
      its seem mr James that you don,t know how our leaders deal with situation. Even i can teach hundreds nuer includding Riek Macahr on how to adapted leadership style because he has zero capabilites.
      Kiir has been saying that since the start of the SPLM,but poor visionary individual can not understand our aims.

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  • 28 October 2009 06:52, by Thyinka

    Sudan will be better off divided into two than being united because no matter how you see it, the differences between the North and the South in term of culture, language, ethnicity, economy and people are too different to be merged into some mosoaic or melting pot, whichever way you want to see it. Let’s have two countries living peacefully as neighbours. Some people have argued that letting the south become independent will lead to the break up of the country because other groups will also demand to be a country e.g Darfur.

    The fact is that Darfurians are closer to Arabs culturally because they share the same religion.Islam is pervasive and affects every aspect of the society in which it is practiced so there is some homogeneity in Muslim communities. Darfurians can overthrow the Khartoum government but they don’t necessary need to secede.

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    • 28 October 2009 08:09, by Nubian

      I find it very sad that many Southern brothers and sisters find it very easy to look at the North as one entity when in reality it is not.

      Arabic is not the common language in the North. In many parts of the North it is considered as second language hence the Arabization process implemented by the criminal NIF/NCP government. The many Nubian tribes, the many western tribes, the many eastern tribes and other pockets within central and south central Sudan do not speak Arabic.

      There is no common culture, however some tribes have similar traditions and follow similar religions but this in no way signals a single identity among the North.

      Many in the North do follow Islam so do many in the South but does this warrant separation?

      Is the only common thing we have in Sudan. The Sudanese identity! The identity of the brave, kind, well mannered, generous and hospitable people. No matter what part of Sudan you are from, you can still spot a Sudanese just by looking at them.

      Sudan is indeed a melting pot where the citizens never really had a fair chance of living in peace while the minority elites utilizing force and ignorance governed the country. This is our chance to regain control of our country and give peace a chance by defeating the NIF/NCP and old sectarian political parties and creating the New Sudan for all of us.

      However this does not mean we should forget the ills of tribalism (the root cause of racism) that are plaguing our minds and we should work hard to rid ourselves of them by encouraging development and education.

      Secession is not the solution, a just and democratic Unity is the only way forward for all of us in The Sudan.


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      • 29 October 2009 01:32, by Thyinka

        Hi Nubian,

        I hear you. And I do agree that Sudan would have been better off as a South Africa than a former Yugoslavia. I was a big fan of the grand vision of Dr. Garang. The vision was a sudan where all citizens are accorded their rights and partake of the national resource and nation building equally.

        I acknowledge our brothers in the Nuba mountains and Blue Nile and their unique African identity in Sudan. Only John Garang would have made this vision possible. There is no willpower in the current SPLM leadership(some of whom are Northerners) to push forward with the agenda of Unity of the Sudan. This is because this vision can’t be implemented in the presence of the current NCP with an agenda for an Islamic Arab Sudan.

        When we talk about separation, it is as if we are leaving our brothers in the North whom we identify with behind but I believe we could still help as a country if necessary. The two key issues against Unity of the Sudan today are a weak unity agenda within the SPLM and a strong NCP with an Islamic agenda for Sudan which southerners would never accept.

        So brother Nubian, the status quo is untenable but realistic chance of Unity with the current NCP in power are just as slim. That leaves us with only one thing and that is separation.

        I have no doubt that we can have democracy in the South because there won’t be any other system of governance that is going to compete with it but democracy will always find challenge in Sharia Law in the North. As you know, a system of government is something very important and if a people can’t agree on it, it is likely to lead to war. So let separate and live peacefully side by side. I don’t know your views on Islamic Sharia laws but I believe majority of Muslims seem to have no problems with them. Obviously, in a genuinely United Sudan, it will be difficult to have Sharia laws without alienating a vast majority of the citizenry.

        Even as I write now, Southerners are being subjected to Sharia laws in the North even though they don’t subscribe to them and despite being exempted in the Constitution. Southerners and other marginalized would have been proud in the largest country in Africa with diverse people and culture, unfortunately a clique in Khartoum simply don’t have that vision of Sudan and they are the one wielding power. Separation is a default option under the current circumstances.

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        • 30 October 2009 01:07, by Brother keeper

          Hi Nubian, I see you talking about the unity. Let me tell you this unity is a good think for us in the South. Please dont you ever say that. Go tell your mother to unity wh arabs. You make me mad at you just stay away from us nobody John Garang here he is gn do not tell us about him ok we dont hear that shit.I ask God everyday to keep Salva Kirr alife still 2011. Thank you for your stupid idea.

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  • 28 October 2009 07:08, by Khent

    Angelo Ajiech Manyuat:

    Your undignified attack against the Naath nation only creates hatred in our homeland- I am 20 years old, but I have an adequate understanding of the potential dislocations in supporting tribal attacks.

    One day, when you grow a tad bit more emotionally and intellectually....you will understand every word of the above.

    Until then.... wallow in ignorance.

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  • 28 October 2009 07:35, by Time1

    Does NCP now regret that they have wasted alot of time trying to be cunning and play around with the peace agreement? now that only 14 month left for the referendum does NCP wish it act differently in the interests of the Unity they desperately want? 14 month is not enough to turn things around and make unity attractive, NCP have wasted too much time playing around now this is the results.

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  • 28 October 2009 08:06, by charles Riek

    Dear Southern I think Mr President is right. He has four years now in the seat but he never managed to united the southern. because there is saying say too much talk less implementation. He is just braking like dog because he will never fulfill his talks.

    Shame to those who wish to be politian and yet they are not. I never found anyone talk of development just tribalism against their fellow tribes. Let us see if Kiir will united the South. Assure you he will never, believe me. He himself talking of election but he is not yet declare himself as the candidate in the Sudan, just prepare for south which is not his level. if he like south than let him declare is ready for south not Sudan.

    I wish to pass my sincere greeting to you all and appreciate those who recommend on the building the South. for get about our basic tribes.

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    • 28 October 2009 09:01, by garangmagal

      thanks to president Kiir for his words,it is really sure that arabs are not making unity attractive because of the way they are responding to implementation of CPA.and I don’t see any southerner who is happy about that accept those who are enjoy fruit now and they don’t know how people struggle to achieve I recognise your voices guys. take care you are nothing to tell or think for kiir.I don’t see any other patriotic citizen besides him.You just milk but don’t add anything.

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    • 28 October 2009 09:09, by Ajuscommando

      I’m really wondering why Nuer community is support their hyenas leaders like Riek Machar and Matip Nhial than to support the true leaders like Taban Deng Gai, John Luka and many others. I think there are no others better leaders in Nuer community that why the stick on blind politician leaders who always think negatively toward South freedom. I have witness people comments all the time that, Kiir is not a good leader but he is better than those who defected to Khartoum and collaborated with Northerners because of small paper call money and left their brothers and sisters in the South during struggling. Nuer people like to disrespect others communities leaders and like to support their hyenas who can make CPA to collapse within no time. I agree with Kiir statement and his performances with his cabinets officials in the GOSS on their work.


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    • 28 October 2009 10:05, by mohammed ali

      Our First Vice President is absolutely Right.He is more than 100% Right.We are not that stupid.All referendums in Eritria, Timor ,Albania..all finished in separation, why should this be an exception!!

      Now, your excelency could you till me why should we MAKE unity attractive, if you don’t want it WE DO NOT WANT UNITY !!
      How can we make the unity attractive ??
      Now you are ruling the South 100% alone ,without any interference from our side and on top of that YOU RULING US..
      how can we gain your trust more than this, yet your excelency asked the USA government to punish us and leave your people in the South untouched!!!and we ..we are supposed to make unity attractive ? WHY?The secretary of your party did tha same, and OUR miniser of foregin affairss asked to punish our President!!!..make the unity attractive ...yes

      You are Vice-President and President !!Poor AL BASHEER IS ONLY PREISENT.

      Yet yor excelency sends unfounded accusations!! Did the NCP ordered Tban Deng to attck the residence of YOUR second man in the Army? did the notorious NCP armed the SPLA attck the Ceic in east YIROL,? did they armed the SPLA to slaughter the Bari and Mundari around your caplital..and in ..Yambio..and ..and.Mr. President you are a very tall man , you can point your finger as far as you could!!but right now very close to your nose JUBA is sitting on a barrel of TNT.You and all of your senior staff can move around JUBA only when surrounded by a brigade of ’followers’ or ’millitia’ Did the wicked Jalabba created this situation??The UN forces in the South stated clearly that there is no arms coming from the north.Americans, British ,French all have consulates in JUBA and they know everthing better than you and if there is arms coming , they would have raised theri voice , as usual before you open your mouth!

      Now would you please tell your members of our parlemnt to stop ruling us and interfering in our business, we do not deserve your favours, let the NCP make the worst national security law for us, we do not deserve your protectioin !!! We do not deserve your party’s endavour to insure that we have free press and freedom of speach..keep that for your NEW SUDAN and leave us with the American sanctions, which you asked for?Tell Arman and Pagan to stop their communist ( Cubian style tactics)tactics, and not to waste time and start BACKING towards Khartoum airport , one year is very short to make unity attractive!! ( I hope they go to JUBA to build the examplery NEW SUDAN, and not to their villaas in AUSTRELIA OR FLORIDA , WHERE THIER FAMILIES LIVE!!!

      Unfortunately, contrary to your ill-wishes America is going to open its Bigest ever embassy in Africa in two months time in the SAFEST AND MOST SECURE town in the world.. KHARTOUM, they are going to improve their relationship, lift the sanctions, solve Dafrur problem and invest heavily in NORTH SUDAN.This not because of Scot Gration (morons only believe so)this because of the interest of America. They do not make their policy according to personal likes and dislikes..NO PERMENANT RIENDS ..NO PERMENANT ENEMIES...PERMINANT INTEREST.

      Oil is not in the South it is the NORTH, if it is in the South ,America would have separated the South more than 20 years ago.oil in the South is dewindling now !!


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    • 30 October 2009 00:28, by Brother keeper

      Charles Riek

      I think u stupid for saying that.Why you that Kirr brak like dog???? You must be out of your stupid maind man. Southern Sudan, is not for any tribe ok let you know that and i think you know nothing about politic my friend. Whoever dosnt belive on South Sudan nation fuck you.Salva Kirr will be a President for longtime you want it or not.

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  • 28 October 2009 08:51, by AUGUSTINO DENG

    Hey President Kiir Miyardit,

    If you really know that unification between Southern and Northern Sudan will be impossible,then why are you always rely behind Omar Bashir by preventing him from being arrested by the ICC or by preventing his Government Administration from being sanctioned by the USA? Why are you always sent letters warning other country from getting hold of Omar Bashir? It is obvious from the very beginning that the Northern Sudanese Government are not in favor of the peace acceleration within Sudan. "That is definite and realistic to the point that no one from Southern Sudanese people can support the sense of Unity from Omar Bashir Administration".

    The Northern Sudanese Government have attempted in many ways to derail the peace in Sudan and that is why they have waged the war on May 14, 2008 in Abyei town of Dinka Jok. This happened after when CPA was signed by the Late DR John Garang and Omar Bashir. Omar Bashir himself know that there is a CPA in Sudan, but why did he order his troops in order to fight in Abyei town? Simply, Omar Bashir don’t wants peace at all. So for you President Kiir Miyardit, you needs to distant yourself away whenever you hear any allegations being counted on Omar Bashir. Use a right politic in way that your Southern Sudanese people will be happy with you.

    Remember that, the first important person in the Country is a President. In other word, this does not mean that if a president is important, then he can do whatever he thought important by himself. That is wrong. What is mean that the president is the important person is to think deeply for the solution that will stop inconveniences which will exaggerate his civilians in his Administration as he is a president and know how he is going to solves these inconveniences. Not just to increase allegations, but to clear ruins.

    "Every doctor demand to rejuvenate the life of the patients, but not to impose or incommode the patient life into danger". Pleae safe the life of your Southern Sudanese people.

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    • 28 October 2009 09:31, by Ajongtar

      Dr KIIR you need to brush your shoes with a white naget than you use the black one that makes you not to appear at even at night.

      You always preach of the north, that the north has done this have done bla bla bla bla.

      Dr Let me urge you that we don’t care about unity or what ever you need, bere in mind that we have al ready have our Government of new Sudan if the north doesn’t make unity attractive who care?
      Dr KIIR the only you need to do is advise your stupid Dinka and Nuer to stop tribalism and let them make separation attractive.
      We already have the 70% of military powers this can maintain the GOSS till further notice.

      SPLA oyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

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  • 28 October 2009 09:26, by M.Cool.J

    Thank you Kiir for having that in mind.North is so funny in so many wayss so we can’t go by what they say.

    Also you must be careful how you talk because the red guys have already defy you for throwing your-full-of beer words so they take them lightly.

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  • 28 October 2009 09:41, by Lual Garang De Lual

    This is not a point of argument because everybody is aware of the Arabs and their behaviours in relation to South Sudan. Let me ask the commentators on this web to explain to me really the meaning of attacking each tribe verbally without analysing the topic being discussed. As I know, we are all Southerners and very unique and different from the Arabs by color, religion, culture and ideology. To me, there is no need of argument as that and this is the right but lets’ unite as ’Black Africans’ if ’South Sudanese’ is not enough to unite us under one umbrella.

    What I would put across is that let everyone be a guide to our destiny and lobby hard to bring those redicules, hardlines and moderates South Sudanese in the North to back our cause like Uncle Abel Alier, Uncle Bona Malual, Ali Fartak Tamam, Riak Gai Kok, Lam Akol and redicules Like Tanginya, Chiebitek and etc. If we all agreed that these people should be our focus, Southern Sudan with or without referendum can still separate as an independent country.

    Therefore, here with our tribal minded people who always think of depending their tribemen who committed atrocities and can not hesitate to apologise for their tribemen wrong doing. We are doomed to fail unless we pull our effort more collectively.

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    • 28 October 2009 10:35, by James

      Shame on those who do not know the history of Sudan.From historical perspective, The present Republic of Sudan was formed by Anglo-Egyptian conquerers,not by the Sudanese people. Before the independence civil war broke out in the South as a sign of rejection of unity with Arabs.In eastern Sudan Beja people also rejected the unity of Sudan.In Nuba mts there was strong rejection of unity with Arabs.In Blue Nile, there was also strong rejection of Arabs.In Dar fur a movement came up asserting the rejuvenation of an Independant African Islamic State of Dar Fur.Now all the above groups that asserted separation from the Arabs are still doing so now. It is extremely stupid & barbaric to believe that Southerners would vote for unity .The war of seventeen years of Anya nya one ,the war of Anya nya two & the war of SPLA in Nuba mts, Blue Nile, Eastern Sudan & South Sudan,& the current war in Dar fur plus Missyria discontent of Khartoum regimes are sufficent evidence that chances of Sudan remaining united are bleak.

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  • 28 October 2009 13:46, by Panda-Oyee


    Riek was heading the SPLM delegates to Khartoum and this doesn’t mean he was the one negotiating the Referendum bill, officials like Micheal Makuei Lueth negotiated it.

    You claimed that Pagan Amum doesn’t have skills to negotiate.Have you been really in New Sudan(liberated areas)or you just came from Khartoum recently? Only fools and Nyagats idiots doesn’t know the role played by Pagan Amum during Naivasha Peace talks.

    Pagan signed Power sharing protocol among six protocols of CPA, can you please tell me what did Riek Machar sign in CPA, Nothing! Loook, Riek Machar is now pushing his ugliest ass toward CPA negotiations when he doesn’t have knowledge about implementation modalities.

    CPA, a document without Nyagat’s signature can not be used for cheap political popularity combined with betrayal.

    Down with Riek Machar, down with all traitors of our people, the marginalize group

    SPLM is watching closely at Nyagats!

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  • 28 October 2009 20:24, by Time1


    I appreciate you honesty and being brave enough to speak out about the real problems of Sudan and its poor stupid leaders in the north, But don’t you think that too much time has already been lost and wasted by the NCP when they tried to think they can cheat the peace and cheat the southerners from achieving their rights and freedom? NCP has failed in its duty to address the real problem facing Sudan with honesty, they have been playing around with implementing the CPA in letter, but now they realize that time has past and it is too late, because you cannot prepare yourself for exams at the last minutes if you want to pass, you have to work early but they have lost the chance for a united Sudan. Every body now know that unity has not reach the impossible junction, it is not possible in the next 14 month.

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  • 29 October 2009 00:35, by E.M. Cullen

    I think that it is unlikely that Southern Sudan will be united with the rest of Sudan because secession and division in nations is a device that the nations of Germany and Japan are using worldwide. The same thing has been occurring in countries around the world, including places such as Indonesia and Yugoslavia, not just Sudan.

    To all apparent this is being backed by the governments of Germany and Japan who are doing a lot of investing in these countries and gaining control of their economic resources.

    I think it is a way for the Germany and Japanese governments to destroy other countries worldwide and take them over, which is a continuation of their World War Two goals.

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  • 29 October 2009 01:20, by Khent

    Tony Komayiit:

    You protest against my reference to the Nuer tribe as the Naath. Do you also reject our tribe’s reference to itself as the Muonyjang?

    Your entire rambling marks tremendous stupidity, that doesn’t deserve going over with in circular exchanges. How about actually addressing what was requested of you?.

    You’ve completely convinced me that you are either unable or unwilling to get it.

    But that’s your loss. You want to be the mere tool I use to teach those able and willing to learn? So be it.

    My message is simple...Peace. However, if you wish to be an apparatus of hatred, do so with HONOUR. Clearly display your true identity.

    We as citizens of this great, but troubled Nation in waiting, have to ask ourselves questions, such as: do want our past tribal conflicts to define our future separate State?

    Or will we treat each other individually, Collectively (at least on this board with respect?) Forgive the fact that this post is interrogatory, but the status quo, the way in which we dialogue is nothing short of repugnant to patriots and civil minded individuals alike!

    I sincerely hope that those belligerent-like, obnoxious members of our society represent a small minority. So let’s start anew and let those profane, hate filled individuals, with their tempestuous remarks take their proper place as pariahs, rather than as determinants.

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    • 29 October 2009 14:39, by Obzino Latino

      The problem with Arabs is that they are simply unreliable and intolerant of the realities of the 21st century i.e. the fact that people have got right to follow religion of their own choice seems to be an ever-escaping reality to them. South Africa

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      • 31 October 2009 13:33, by Awadia Tania


        This article is headed and authorized by lawless man paul Mayom .

        I think some of our leaders have intended to repudiate treaties for many reasons,political, moral and economic ways while others want to do the wills of unnecessary echoes in the government. This promise will stay a negative promise and not work at it because Paul Mayom Akech is a greedy lawless tribalism man .

        Mayom Akech the minister of information and broadcasting has a very bad secret plan for the people of Lake state; Look when he pretended to let General Daniel Awet Akot collapsed; he was degraded to such a lowest shameful position that was to be his(mayom).

        2-He made his own clans fight a heavy fought and caused untoll deaths of very very very important people including chief and Gelwong leaders apart from 85 innocent civilians hope unnecessarily died hopelessly just very unexpectedly !! Really a double shocking disaster of irresponsible government under Mayom Akech.

        3-He is secretly dealing to eliminate his cousin from CDR position (Matur Chut Dhuol) but no clear reason.

        4-He divorced his daughter who was married to the very richest clan of Agaar community of Rumbek East(Pan_Maluach Atungtok) who paid 300 herds of cattle. He made a business of cows and divorced his daughter and sent her to Australia in Melbourne in spite of remembering nine brilliance brothers_in_law of his daughter who are doing their best in accademics; so what a lawless leader he is? his son is now in Cairo dealing with Arabs propaganda.

        5- Important people of Lake state could never get high ranking position (according to his opinion e.g Chol Machiec and the others.

        Please minister can you address these issues with candor if you want to be lawful and true leadership? .

        I am sorry and disappointed for you.

        More and more words are hidden till I get your direct or indirect response.

        Boldly, I was your neighbor who later came to Western Australia in 2oo2.

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