• 26 August 2008 08:14, by Thyinka

  Is Bashir going to acknowledge for once that mixing religion with politics will be the downfall of his government? Forming a government on ideologies which are not representative of all citizens and stakeholders is like building a house on a sand. When winds and storms come, the house will be blown away because it has been built on a weak foundation.

  Why can’t he just wake up from denying the realities of his failed policies and start doing something about it.

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  • 27 August 2008 08:54, by fadi

    Hey my name is Hammuel Merari and I am from Israel and I have been reading your comments in the past days and I find it equally disturbing from both sides that you people are ready to engage in such racism against your own people listen look at America theres Black people,Latinos and white and asians and french and look at them they all get along so please stop the bickering and remember that you guys are one country,one people and I totally,absolutely agree with Moe Montana on this subject and I truely admired it when he said..... They say: "A family that prays together, stays together and one that walks apart just falls apart" so TOGETHER we STAND divided we FALL, UNITED we form SUDAN and take on ALL!!" and may I add this that sooner or later and if the president does become indicted they are immediately gonna call his vice president in and guess who he is its selva karr who is going to come under much scrutiny as they will believe that the president cannot do it on his own so believe me when I say this that although I love the west and America deeply I speak the truth and I wanted to say that the west and its allies main plan is to get money from sudan from oil and incase you think otherwise please take the courtesy of looking on the internet and seeing how much barrels of oil darfur has got you would be amazed and shocked and you will see why America wants to take over sudan as darfur has more than 100 billion barrels in Darfur Alone and thats its estimation and believe me when I say this America invaded Iraq because of oil they havent attacked kuwait or saudi arabia because of oil so this indictment by luis Moreno Ocampo is a self proclaimed attack by the west on Sudan and I cannot tell you how to act except for this you southerners in sudan respect and like America but little did you know America fought a civil war in 1861 and then president Abraham Lincoln killed Many Southerners and still look at them now they Have moved past this Ideological thinking that because Im white Im superior and instead they forged an alliance and today they are standing as beacon of hope and oppurtunity for the whole world so think yourselves in this modern day and think about all the hate which you compass and your mutual resentment towards others for what they have done in the past but in order to move on we must forgive and stop living divided and also think about what you guys could have accomplished by now you Sudanese people have the potential to rise up and live as one so think about it all this hate towards the northerners whats it gonna achieve in the near future and all this hate from the southerners whats it going to achieve Biar M Bul? in the end you will achieve nothing so I hope in the near future you people will understand that living divided means the very end of Sudan and once where a great civilization lived the nubains who are still living today so think about this comment I just wrote and God Bless this world

    NOTE: THIS MESSAGE WAS NOT WRITTEN BY ME NOR IT CONTAINS MY IDEAS AND THOUGHTS NOR DO I KNOW THE PERSON WHO POSTED IT, BUT I WOULD RATHER LIKE TO KNOW ALL PEOPLES OPINIONS ON THIS COMMENT. THANK YOU

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    • 28 August 2008 00:18, by peter marko

      Dear Hammuel Merari, people here in America get along together because they learned to tolerate each other differences, and accept others as they are, not as they want them to be. Being live in America, I could tell you that children here, in America, are taught at early ages to respect others, and to view them as worthy are themselves are. They taught at early ages in school that other races are valuables as theirs; at home, they taught to respect the diversity because that is what America is all about; also they learn through the media how to conduct themselves in very diverse country, so by the time they grow up these teachings become deeply rooted in thoughts. That is what makes America a peaceful society.

      Then the question that fellows is, why that is not a case in Sudan? Precisely, should not Sudanese learn to tolerate each others, since they diverse country as US? The answer[s] to this question relies on the nature of the culture of those groups call themselves Arabs, even though such claim could be disputed. That is to say, the core problem is a culture of Arabization and Islamization that those groups, Arabized African tribes, try to impose on the other. To them, not only the others cultures, mostly African cultures, that co-exist with theirs are worthless, and they ought to be eliminated by any means, but those other groups who are Christians as well as the worshipers of other indigenous religions are inferiors. Instead of teaching their children the tolerance toward other cultures’ teachings that differs from theirs, they teach them how to hate those who are culturally difference from them. So, by the time they grow up, they have already developed the mentality that perceives others people way of life as immoral. As a result, they do not develop a dual perspective which is so critical aspect for accepting others. Consequently, b y the time they grow up, their way of arguing fellows this norm “My way or the high way”. They not only become so ignorant toward other cultures, but they become arrogant. Could tell in name of mighty God, why that is not a problem.

      For the sake of illustration, what wrong Jews had done to Nazi regime that led them to be hated by Hitler and his supporters? They, Jews, had done nothing wrong other than being different from Arian race. The hatred feeling toward Jews had led Nazi regime to carry out one of the most unspeakable crime against humanity, Holocaust. Tell me, does disliking the way of life of Jews gives Nazi a right to slaughter them? What could Jews have done differently to win the approval of Nazi? By the same token, there is nothing we could have done to not let those, Arabized African tribes, to hate our way of live. They do have their way of life and we do have our way of life, is simple as that.

      Since you are Isareli,let me ask you this question. How many times did Israeli political groups, the left wings, try to use the means of logic and reasoning with Islamic extremist groups, Hamas and Islamic Jihad, and they fail? You surely know why they were not successful in their efforts. The lack of deliberative community from these Islamic fundamental groups’ side prevented them from compromise their differences with the Israel. By the same measure, the lack of deliberative communities, the notion of searching and emphasizing the common grounds among conflicting sides, prevents so-called Arabs from negotiating the culture’s differences with others groups. Instead, they approach these differences from two perspectives, imposing the Islamization that goes along side with the Arabization on the southerners; and eradicating them if they refuse to join the train of Islamization. When the Darfurian people awakened and try to return to their original identity that is an African identity, they were exterminated through genocide as it was the case in South during the war. Do you see where the problem lies?

      There is no different between Ku Klux Klan, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and National Islamic Front, the ruling party in Khartoum, except that they exist in different Geographical locations. Each of them is a mirror image to other two. They deeply believe in a culture of hatred, and most the times they act on it. Tell me, why should not we, southerners have every incentive for wishing the destruction to NIF or NCP, whatever you call it? Al-bashier’s regime had killed millions of the southerners in the name of so-called holy war, Jihad; and they have killed thousands of Darfurians since 2003 up to now. That being said, I really wonder which rules of inferences you make use of it to come to the conclusion, that we, southerners, are the ones behind the problems in Sudan? Are you blind to the fact that we have been victimized the consecutive regimes in Khartoum? Why standing of for our rights offended you? Or you simply want us to lie down and let our throats be cut off? If that is your way of judgment, then good luck with Hamas, which are your next door friends, and who knows you might be their next victim, God forbids.

      Speaking about interest, America has a right as any other country to pursue its national interest. National interest could be vital or secondary, permanent, or temporary, so each country weighs it options base on the characteristics of the interest itself. So, why do you think is okay for China to pursue it own interest in Sudan, but it is unacceptable for US to do so. Comparing between two, US is less evil than China. Their records on Human rights are self-evident to my claim. By the way, do you know that US meets it energy needs from its permanent customers, Saudi Arabia, Canada, and others, consequently it does not need Sudan’s oil, at least at this time. For your information, US is seating on the sea of oil, and the reason that they do not dig it out is because of environmental concerns. By the same token, we, the southerners, do have our own interest as they northerners do have their own. Nonetheless, pursuing our own interest compels us to form an alliance with whatever country, groups, you name it, that helps us achieve our interest. I do not know what would offend you if we for alliance with America? Did not you country, Israel, seek alliance with US, so why not us? Please, do not be offended if we like America. It is none of your business and it is something should not concern you.

      Finally, I ask you to not worry about the future of our country, Sudan, we know what to do after we get rid of these thugs in Khartoum. If ICC did not get them, we will get them at the end. At that time, they will look back and wished if Ocambo could have got them because we are going to discipline them in harsher way. We are going punish them without mercy so that other Ku Klux Klan will learn a lesson from their punishment. Ah! One more thing, keep your advice for yourself is you do not have good thing to say.

      Peace and may mighty God bless Southerners Sudan, and keep us safe from our enemies.
      .

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• 26 August 2008 08:20, by Hakuna Matata

  So, our president want to bribe his way through! i dont think that would actually work...bribing US with Darfur oil will not make ICC drop charges, instead bring peace to the whole NATION of sudan Mr president and the ICC may spare you one year off your life sentence!!

  sorry, its too bad for you.....ICC never drop charges..never!
  that is a fact

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• 26 August 2008 09:46, by doot

  The same words , the same time and
  event used by gost saddam hussein of
  bagdad yet being recall by failed
  president al omer bashir to increase the number of windows, orphans , death
  and disabilities in the country.i
  strongly believe that president omer
  albashir ` s altitude toward western
  powers is an indication of leadership
  failure and sign of weakness to rule
  the nation in regardless of race,
  political affliation, ethnic orgin
  and naturality.The main cause root
  of sudanese wars has connection
  with world superpower except
  southern sudan war of 1991 in Bor
  so called emma `s wars and
  bristish colonisation of 1950s
  however, truth come before ideology
  and we must except that sudanese
  of twenty one centruy are the
  problem of this centruy because,
  obviously when talking of all the
  problems of the centruy we already
  talking about sudanese themselves
  being the problem to themselve
  however, there is no standpoint
  where president should fingerpoint
  to western powers but pointing his
  finger to himself and his citizens

  Sudanese authroties and their citizen in arm uniform must be solution to sudan problem if the can decide to stay together as one family and deserve betterment of this nation but it is very ironical of sudanese president to accuse western involvement in sudanese wars but at the same time busy buying arms from china and Russia to destroy the citizen. it is one of funniest words of twenty one century ever made, when president made clear that he is ready to fight western armies and powers to defend the interest of his citizens and protect the value of the country.indeed, i think mr president will lost the war he invited to his country in nearest future like his ally saddam of 2003 who just lost thousand of hectares of land to american invaders with in half an hour and left the thousand of people kill, windows, orphan , die , homeless, asylum and disable however, that history is one of the worst history in man history. the recent study show that when someone talk of his people and never solve it , he/she is the problem of the problem suppose president albashir to use the same effort and determination of 2005 when the CPA was wrote on to histroy of north and south problem perhap the same mechanism should be used rather making accuses to defend liberty and interest of sudanese people.

  we all know is very hard to solve all the problems in this world however, it is to easy to stop adding more problems. I believe sudan is worst country of twenty one centruy and on this planet whose even at family level is in averge of disintergation for unknown reason . Now, it is time to stop adding more problems rather than to solve thems . It is time we as sudanese people to think about our problem and do something about it, it is time for sudanese people to ask themselve who are they not to be on this planet and who are they not to be in this centruy,it is time for sudanese people to start planting the seed of democracy and call for national reconcilation either from within or out.

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  • 26 August 2008 11:20, by Biar-again

    So sharing country’s oil with US will forbid the ICC indictment. I doubt whether that is the intension of Americans, because committing crimes against humanity is a serious human offense of which US will not allow any one accused of. Bashir should not talk about the support given to him in the country by generalizing every body, we need you to depend yourself in front of World Court in Hague, not in Sudan.

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• 26 August 2008 11:22, by madesio ukel

  Mr Bashir
  Giving out the two suspect Ahmed Haroun, Ali Kushayb and allowed US companies to explore oil in Darfur does not solve the problem.
  America are not like others to bought, you inttent to do in oil region of Darfur.
  You must to face invistgation infront of ICC table to pay a death of others.
  Please countries behind al Bashir may god take you to hell.

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• 26 August 2008 15:37, by AramanaCaani junuba

  AL BASHIR ATTACKS SPLM’S NEW SUDAN VISION AND PLANS!!!

  ALbashir! You are finished!

  You are convicted of Treason, Bribery,genocide,crimes against humanity,Murder and catastrophic war crimes!! Against you are own citizens you claim to ’protect from Western Powers!’ Do western powers commit crimes against their own citizens? Americans and Israeli,do they kill their own citizen the way you do? Where is your strength to challenge New Sudan plans!? Where? You wicked inhuman being!
  Why do you refuse sudan to be part of the international community ? is sudan not on the same planet earth?

  De-Arabize and De-Islamize?

  WHY NOT?!
  Infact these are severe ideologies that have created a Messy / chaotic situation in Sudan!
  Was it not agreed that Religion should be separate from the state?
  If you want to be a sheik or imam or whatever, leave the governvement seat and your right place is the mosque.How many times should be reminded that Don’t Mixed politics and Quoran?

  Albashir using Propaganda as a pillar of rule!
  He is a CHIEF LIAR! His information is incredible to all.

  Kiir’s CANDIDANCY

  There is no one competent and wise enough at this time round to take sudan through the interime period other than HE salva Kiir Mayardit.those other ’’highly good guys ’’ should come when everything is smooth but not ’Now’! salva must run for 2009!
  Where does the doubt originate? Did he not win SPLM CHAIR during the convention? Then what happened? We need not to show power greed at this time! This the period of ’’understanding things’’.
  See how Albashir is holding his FIST against Southerners! What do you read? His visit to Juba should be protested ! He massacred 1000 people in juba in 1992 and stated that he only killed 100! Of Darfur ,500,000 died ,he said only 10,000! What he really? Even that number he agrees, do they deserve to be Massacred?
  Anyway he just a ’’finished human being’’. No much worry. But Alluta continua!!

  Thanks,

  AramanaCaani.

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  • 26 August 2008 16:16, by Moe Montana

    Smart move by Omar el Bashier as truely all USA want to do is SECURE their future energy for their citizens. I like how el Bashier remains firm and does not FEAR these American indirect politics.

    Further more, America has killed 60 million red indians, inslaved my black people for 400 plus years, dropped two nukes on Nagasaki and Hiroshima, Iraq and the so called "weapons of mass destruction", in addition to afghanistan etc. Why are they not being charged? Are they more Superior than us people of Sudan? Our history alone makes America look like an infant! We are a proud people be we Nubians or Southerners. One must comprehend, if we have a WEAK leader whom bows down, we shall be truely ROBBED of our wealth.

    Also 8billion dollars is split annually between the north and south yet the North use their money for building its infrastructure, economy, health, education and army etc. i.e. IMPROVING THE NORTHS STANDARD OF LIVING. Mean while, senior members of the SPLM have stollen Billions! I mean honestly, they have SWISS accounts, and villas in America, Spain, London etc. The thing is the TRUTH HURTS. I say this as i have visited Juba and Wow, and honestly WHAT is the SPLM DOING? They need to build roads, help increase health services etc. I say this because i care, because I feel that genuinely Omar El Bashier doesn’t want to Show SPLM’s true colours! I say this because in order for our country to advance in the words of Winston Churchill "in order to change a nation, one must begin by changing its people", implying increase their education as a tool for them to prosper.

    As a God fearing person, one must say that South Sudans people improving shall improve SUDAN! Thus i ask all those in the north but MAINLY in the souths SPLM, to remember that they shall die and leave their wealth! That they have a DUTY in front of God first and their people second!

    In addition, If they wanted to truely GET Omar Al bashier, they would have AGES ago! So why not you ask? Because they want to test the waters, before they swim in them! They are not ready for another Iraq, the west is in Recession! And for those logical amongst you, Sudan needs to become more "transparent true" yet what really needs to happen is for north and south to build TRUST between them through time of trials & tribulations.

    In conclusion, please don’t reply to my comment if you have nothing positive to say because i refuse to argue with those whom base their arguments on OPINION and lack of fact. And at the end of the day, I like you only want to see Sudan PROSPER! Want to see us REPRESENTED in all that shows GOOD and ADVANCEMENT amongst the human race.

    Take a second, think about that. And feel that my intentions are a better Sudan!
    
    God Bless.

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    • 27 August 2008 00:33, by peter marko

      Dear Moe Montana , your style of argument reminds me of those folks in FOX news channel, particularly Bill O’rally, and his student Sean Hunty. They rarely stick to the point of argument; instead they engage in Red Herring. Red Herring is a form of the Fallacies of Presumption in which the speaker shifts argument to another point without addressing the core issue. You seem to have ethical crisis in a sense that you compare what al-Bashier is doing in Darfur now to what White Americans had done to the people of color. Yes what they had done in the past such as act of enslavement of black people, and killing Indians were wrong and was unspeakable crime against humanity. However, they condemned their wrong doing. White men fought a civil war among them to stop slavery. That war had claimed lives of almost six hundred thousand to put the end to the act of enslavement, so the grandchildren of the slave owners should be credited for that.

      That is not to say that American society has perfected the equality among its constituents, but at least they have made dramatic progress toward the perfection when it comes to how people of color are treated. There is no moral comparison between American and those thugs, NCP, who are running Sudan. When it comes to human rights issues, there is no comparison between two. Here in US the freedom of speech is granted to anybody, including to those who are perceived to be enemies of the State. Moreover, everybody is a subject to the due process when they are being trialed. The other sharp contrast between them is that suspects here are presumed innocents until they are convicted in the court of law, which is proved beyond the reasonable doubt; whereas in Sudan innocents’ people are presumed guilty until otherwise they prove they are innocents. And more contrast could be drawn between two. I wanted to educate you first about the differences between the regime that you support and US.

      Now let me evaluate your argument for supporting Al- Bashier. First of all, what your boss tries to do is bribery, so morally you should denounce their move instead of praising it. Which country in the globe would invite the foreign country to come and share the national resources with them? By the way, it does not matter how hard they try to bribe whichever the third party is, it will not send them from ICC charges, sooner or later they will stand, willingly or unwillingly, before the ICC court and answer those charges. Yesterday they bribe Egyptians, but it did not work; so solicited US hoping that it will accept bribery, it will not work either.

      Dear true NCP member, do not be confused here. American went to Afghanistan seek the revenge for their innocent citizens which were killed by al-Qaeda operatives. If Taliban regime did not offered the refuge for Al-Qaeda, Americans might have not invaded their country in first place. Why Taliban regime did not apprehended Al-Qaeda leader, even though he claimed the responsibility for such unspeakable cowardly act? They did not because they were co-conspiracies in the plot. Speaking about Iraq, the aliens between Awaking movement and America to fight Al-Qaeda is enough to prove you wrong.

      Speaking about the corruption, NCP regime is considered by any measure to be the most corrupted regime ever ruled Sudan. If you really speaking about the facts, do you remember the state of the economy before those thugs took overthrown the democratic government? In case you forgot, the state of economy was strong and thriving too. After they took over, things started to go from bad to worst. If the oil was not dig out, the state of our economy could have become like the Zambian economy, where the inflation rocked the sky. What you claimed to be directed toward development in the north is a little portion of oil revenue. The rest goes into their secret accounts in Melissa, and China.

      In regard to your corruption charges against the members of SPLM, I will tell you that such charges are more reports than actuality. Unlike NCP regime and other parties, SPLM is the only ruling party in Sudan that fired the Minister of finance, and put him behind a bar for the corruption charges. Such move implies that there is zero tolerance in GOSS toward corruption. I am sure those case record by anticorruption commission are minors cases, and those behind them are low level officials. Nonetheless, I am so sure those behind it will eventually answer such charges before the judge because GOSS conducts it business in transparency way compare to NCP.

      There is old say that says “it takes efforts and time to build, but it just takes a moment to torn down everything.” That being said, I want you to know that it will take time and persistent effort to rebuild what NCP torn down in marginalized areas, Southern Sudan, Nubba Mountains, Blue Nile, and Darfur. Because of the magnitude of destructions that had done by the regime that you support, the established authorities in marginalized areas have to start the development from zero. Where are the infrastructures that you are taking about? For you information, there were no roads, bridges, and renown hospitals in the south, nor in the Nubba Mountains, and Blue Nile. Whatever was built by the efforts of the local communities were destroyed during the war. Since you are the supporter of the regime that we are so bitter about it, do not worry about the state of our well-being, because you are not one of us. To me, your advices to us are like Cole Rove advices to democrats.

      Do not you worry about the westerns going to Sudan to arrest you boss, because apprehending Al-Bashier over to ICC was contracted out to the President of Egypt, Houseni Moubarik. Houseni Moubariek has cashed the price for apprehending him over. To you surprise, do you know who paid Egyptians to execute such plan? Is the Saudi Arabia king, king Abdualh.

      I have one question for you. If you are really one of the black ethnic group, do not you feel a shame for defending such thugs who are killing black people in Dar Fur as they did before in south, Nubba mountains, and Blue Nile areas; or you are one of the black people who claim themselves to be Arabs, like Ahemed Haroun, and the some of NCP members. For the sake of curiosity, I would like to know which one of the Sudanese African ethnic groups that you belong to, since you claimed yourself to be a black man.

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      • 27 August 2008 01:28, by Moe Montana

        For the sake of curiosity i’m Nubian i.e. the Original Sudanese inhabitants of North Sudan for thousands of years! Also, i speak Arabic and am Muslim, i am African in ethnicity, but Arab culturally if you can comprehend what i’m implying.

        Further more, i’m Muslim by choice! In addition when Islam was introduced to Sudan it came without bloodshed, further more they signed a peace agreement with the Nubians!

        Finally Islam is the fastest growing religion, ask yourself why that is?

        God Bless

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        • 27 August 2008 05:06, by peter marko

          It is your right Moe Montana as individual to identify yourself with Arab identity, even though you are a black man. Identity is social constructed concept. Today you can be Arab, as it sounds now; Tomorrow you might initiate Whiteman language, English, and become influence by their culture, consequently you might perceive yourself as a white man at that time.

          Absolutely, I do comprehend what you are implying. You are like many other black Muslims in Sudan who confuse Islam with Arab race. To them, the notion of being Muslim implies being Arab too. For your information, I am not offended in any way when you call yourself an Arab man, at least that what your words imply. However, I hope that your presumed Arab brothers will accept you, culturally Arabized black groups, as one of them. I hope Arab people are not continually going to label you as enslaved person, abed, as they are calling black Muslims now. You will know what I am taking about if you had a trip by chance to one of the Arab country, say Egypt, Saudi-Arabia, or even Lebanon.

          What offends me is the fact that you guys always try label the entire country as Arab state. We are at odds with Arab culture not because we do not understand its components, nor because we do not speak Arabic. We rejected the Islam simply because its teachings and it practices are at odds with our values, and our morals. In fact many southerners who grew up in north they do initiate Arabic language, but they do not claim themselves to be Arabs.

          As one of the million southerners who grew up in northern part of the country; and who was exposed to the Islamic teachings and Islamic history through the school’s curriculums, which become poisoning by Islam teaching, and fake myths about glorifying past of the Arab race, let me educate you about what Arabs done to the Nubians when they first come to Sudan. When your accentors unsuccessfully confronted the Islamic army, which led by Abed Allah Al-Sarah, and later defeated, they were forced to sign the surrender accord, Bathug Acoorcd, in which they agreed to following propositions.
          ? They must dispatch annually 360 of their best men as enslaved persons to the Islamic state in Egypt in exchange for living in the occupied territories.
          ? They must agree to let Arab men marry the Nubian girls, even without the consent of their families.
          ? Each Nubian who converted to the Islam shall be set free from being enslaved; and those who change their minds after converting to Islam were given two choices, leave the occupied territory or were going to be executed.

          Tell me in the name of our mighty God, what that conveys about the spreading of Islam to Sudan? What is more bloodshed than invading peaceful people, enslaved them, and forcibly converted them to your faith. Sadly, they destroyed valuable landmark of the Nubian civilization, which considered to be one of the most influential civilization in the history of humanity. You should express bitterness toward them instead of praising such dark-sided history. By the way your faith is your personal business, and it is not something concern me, in any way. We will see who would be in accepted into paradise at the end of the time. So do not you worry about me, you better start collecting the good deeds for the life after. By the way, doing so requires you to conduct yourself in morally and ethically way which start by speaking against any injustice and wrong doing. I hope you get what I am entailing to.

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          • 27 August 2008 07:52, by Moe Montana

            Appreciate your words peter marko, wise words with logic my brother!

            And Thyinka you stated "Maybe this is what NIF wanted to do with their failed project of Islamization and Arabization of South Sudan." were the Southerners not made Christians by the British? Did they not learn to speak english by the British?

            Further more sudan is African, period! I really HATE how north Sudan try and delete their AFRICAN ROOTS like as if it was a disease, when in fact the Nubia empire and pharos began in SUDAN! We were doing maths, building pyrimids when the west was in the DARK AGES!

            So please someone help me understand why?

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            • 27 August 2008 17:06, by Thyinka

              Moe, If understand your question well, your view seem to be that Arabizing and Islamizing the South should not be a big deal because the British converted them to christianity.Well, some southerners are Christians and speak English just like any African country that was colonized by the British. However, I am proud that southerners maintain a uniquely African culture and a way of life distinct from the British culture. I love the fact that African had to fight and defeat the British conquerors to maintain their way of life without adopting the conquerors values and culture. I may write and speak impeccable English but I will always be an African.

              However, adopting values and culture is not the problem because adopting values which advance civilization is fine, imposing values and culture due to conquest is the problem.

              I am proud of the Ancient Nubian’s civilizations such as the Kingdoms of Kush, Meroe and Napata and their contributions to civilizations such as the invention of iron smelting. In fact, there is a place in South Sudan’s Eastern Equatoria state today called New Kush. I don’t know whether you know it but this is how we would want to identify with you the Nubians because we know that you are African first despite being Islamized and Arabized through conquest. On the other hand, I don’t think you are going to find a place called Omdurman anytime soon in the South.

              To be fair, it would be great if we were to identify Sudan as African because of Sudan’s history (going back to the Nubian’s Kingdoms), geographical location and the majority of African population. However, it would be a disservice to the Arab minority if they want to retain their identity which may not be reflected nationally and the legacy of Islamic and Arabic influence in Sudan. So my point has always been that we have to be Sudanese first and everything else second. From there we can accept our differences and be proud of our diversity. But if the Arabs want to impose their identity on Sudan as a whole as they did with the Nubian’s Kingdoms, they won’t succeed.

              With due respect to your opinions and support of the NCP-led government, as Sudanese, our duty is not to act as support for a government that alienate a part of it population due to religion and commit genocide against the rest. The bottom line is that we should go with our conscience. I honestly find it hard to support this regime given its record of atrocities against Southerners,Eastern Sudanese, the people of Nuba mountains and Blue Nile and now the people of Darfur. Is there trouble brewing now in the Far North because of the building of Meroe Dam that would destroy the remains of ancient Nubian civilizations and submerged several Nubian villages around the construction site? Well, this government just seem not to know what the people need.I may not agree with your views but I have no intention to hurt your feelings. Our goal as Sudanese is always to see a better Sudan that is for everyone and that all Sudanese identifies with.

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              • 24 September 2008 14:04, by miss JOOK

                Thynka

                i am very amazed about your response to moe. you are a true genius and your contribution to this website is very much appreciated by people such as myself. your comments are like a learning experience for me because i have travelled to New Kush before and did not know where the name originated from.

                thanks very much.

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          • 27 August 2008 13:50, by AramanaCaani junuba

            Hi peter Marko,

            i really like your comments here.you surely injects some sense into these guys’ [nubians]minds whose false loyalty with arabs has actually blindfolded them.Arabs distorted their History to suit their own interests when they entered sudan from Arab peninsula ages ago.INfact since then till now,Nubians have been the ’’best arabs’ friends’ in the full implementation of the ARABIZATION AND ISLAMIZATION Ideologies after the defeat of their resistance engineered from Ancient Egypt.egyptians used sudanese slaves by then to advance civilization,for instant sudanese Built one of the seven Wonders of the world known as the Pyramid of egypt,very beneficial economically through Tourism.
            we should therefore,not try to believe on the distorted history as true!

            thanks

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      • 27 August 2008 04:51, by Thyinka

        Peter Marko, It is good to see you call out Moe on his use of logic. How can you use extermination of Red Indians and enslavement of the black people in America to justify the atrocities that have been committed by Bashir’s regime against the Sudanese people? Do two wrongs make a right? Can you steal today because Mr. Ahmed stole yesterday?

        I am proud that Sudan is the largest country in Africa by sheer size. If we were to accept ourselves without discriminating based on religion,ethnicity, political affiliations etc, the Sudanese people could form a rich tapestry of cultural diversity. In fact, I love Mohamed Wardi’s songs.Instead of appreciating our different ways of life, the Northern politicians are using these differences to tear the nation apart. The Sudanese people are going to be divided and cut off from each other because of monopoly of political and economic power by a minority clique in Khartoum. They use religion to manipulate the masses and use excessive force to quell any rebellion. Time has come for Khartoum to choose between keeping the center and lose the rest of the nation or keep the nation together and lose power. It can’t have it both ways.

        As for those supporting NCP, they have vested interest in the current regime or they haven’t been affected in a personal way by the ills of the Bashir’s regime. I am not sure the Nubians from the far North can actually be described as Africans more than Arabs. Do they have anything in common with their African brothers apart from the skin colour? Maybe this is what NIF wanted to do with their failed project of Islamization and Arabization of South Sudan.

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• 26 August 2008 23:42, by Bol Madut

  My goodness, Bashir is sounding more and more illogical these days. Could this be an indication that his reign is coming to an end? I hope it’s the case.

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• 27 August 2008 00:32, by Kur

  This guy called Bashir is mentally ill and I think he needs to be placed in a correction centre.

  The wealth of Darfur is for the Darfur people and not Americans. The Darfuri people are the ones to decide how to use their own wealth but not those who have committed genocide against them. These futile attempts to bribe Americans like what you did to Egyptians will not stop ICC indictment against you. You will never buy justice somewhere at this time. The best thing for you to do at the moment is to surrender to the ICC so that justice may take its course.

  Kur

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