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Clashes erupt in South Kordofan between SAF and SPLA


June 5, 2011 (KHARTOUM/JUBA) - Fighting broke out on Sunday in the key oil-producing state of South Kordofan, which lies on the border of soon-to-be independent South Sudan.

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SPLM military soldiers guard the car of SPLM governor candidate Abdul Aziz Al-Hilu as he arrives to vote at a polling centre in Kadogli in South Kordofan state, May 2, 2011 (Reuters)

Multiple sources told Sudan Tribune that northern tanks and heavy artillery have moved into and around the state’s main town of Kadugli while clashes have been reported in surrounding villages.

Last week the northern Sudanese army issued an ultimatum to soldiers from the Sudan People’s Liberation Army (SPLA) to move out of the states of South Kordofan and Blue Nile, or disarm.

During Sudan’s civil war groups from the two northern states joined the South Sudan-based SPLA in the two-decade war against the Khartoum government. SPLA soldiers north of the border are not expected to disarm or leave their homelands as key aspects of the peace deal that ended the conflict six years ago have not been fulfilled. They are also angry that their political wing - the SPLM-North - lost a key contentious election in South Kordofan in April.

There were also reports of clashes between the northern Sudan Armed Forces (SAF) of the Khartoum government and the SPLA-North in Umm Dorain about 12km south east of Kadugli.

A member SPLM-North, which is the main opposition party in the state, told Sudan Tribune that Umm Dorain had been attacked by SAF as they believed SPLA-North forces were in the area.

The reports of fighting in Umm Dorain were also confirmed by the UN Mission in Sudan (UNMIS).

"There were two attacks. One happened in Kadugli town itself, where a police station was attacked last night (Saturday) by unknown gunmen," [UNMIS spokeswoman Hua Jiang told AFP, adding that there was no information on casualties.

"We have also had reports of shooting in Umm Dorain today. We have sent land and air patrols to the area to investigate," she said.

But a statement from Sudan’s state news agency (SUNA), quoted the northern army as saying the "the incident" was a case of an individual soldier firing at random.

The statement went on to say that Kadugli was calm, the situation was "contained" and that relations between SAF, Sudan’s ruling party and the "the other party", referring to SPLM-North, were stable. The SPLM is the ruling party of South Sudan and is under pressure from Khartoum and is under pressure to sever ties with their former comrades, especially as they hope to peacefully secede from the north in a months time.

According to reports received by Sudan Tribune, SAF moved tanks south from El Obeid through the Dilling area and stationed them at Kadugli airport and near the compound of the UN’s World Food Programme (WFP) early on Sunday. Some tanks were redeployed to Umm Dorain Reuters reported.

Fighting was reported to have begun on Sunday morning in Kadugli, which eyewitnesses and other sources say is now full of military personnel, hardware and vehicles.

The UNMIS spokesperson told Reuters that late on Saturday unknown armed groups attacked and stole weapons from a police station in Kadugli.

A member of the SPLM-North, Nassir Kuku, told Sudan Tribune that SAF had entered Kadugli at 9am on Sunday. He said that there had been "serious fighting" in the villages Alburam and Miri, although this has not been confirmed.

“There has been serious tension here in Kadugli before and [after the] elections [results] were announced. The National Congress [Party] (NCP) rigged elections and again wanted to initiate the fighting," he said.

Contentious Elections

In early May the NCP, which governs north Sudan, beat the SPLM-North in controversial state elections - delayed from last year over a census dispute - to decide the state governor and the makeup of South Kordofan’s legislative assembly. The incumbent NCP governor, Ahmed Haroun, was reinstated after defeating his deputy, the SPLM-North candidate Abdul Aziz Adam El-Hilu.

Despite some reservations international monitors endorsed the election of Haroun, who is wanted by the International Criminal Court for war crimes in Darfur, allegedly committed while he was Sudan’s interior minister (2003-2005) and minister for humanitarian affairs (2006-2009). He was appointed as governor of South Kordofan in 2009.

Haroun was quoted by state media as saying that some of the joint police units attacked the wildlife police in Kadugli, while the garrison in Umm Dorain came under assault from SPLA-North troops.

Sudan Tribune failed to reach El-Hilu on Sunday but senior SPLM figure Musa Kaka said that SAF had been entering Kadugli for some time but only started their operation against the SPLA/M-North on Sunday.

“They started their operation today on Sunday at 9am. They moved tanks and other machine guns. More than 12 tanks appeared in the town today”, he said. Eyewitness including sources from the UN confirmed the entry of the SAF to Kadugli and the subsequent eruption of fighting.

The SPLA/M-North was formed during the Sudan’s second ’north-south’ civil war as northern divisions of the SPLA, with many groups sharing the vision a united, federal and democratic "New Sudan" advocated by the late leader of the SPLM/A, John Garang.

As a consequence South Kordofan and Blue Nile bore some of the worst fighting due to their location north of the border, where they were occasionally cut off from the SPLA in South Sudan.

However, the 2005 peace deal that ended the conflict and granted South Sudan the right to self determination, which it opted for in a referendum in January, paving the way for independence next month.

After July 9 South Kordofan and the SPLA/M-North will remain part of north Sudan and governed by the NCP from Khartoum. Under the CPA South Kordofan and Blue Nile were accorded ’popular consultations’ to consider whether the agreement had addressed their grievances and to propose what their future relationship with Khartoum might look like.

However, the much delayed processes are yet to be completed despite there being only a little over a month until the official end of the peace deal and South Sudan’s independence on July 9.

’Disarm or go south’

Sunday’s fighting is thought to have been triggered by the north’s demand that all SPLA-North soldiers move south of the 1956 border dividing the country - created by the British at Sudan’s independence - or surrender their weapons.

Juba has been keen to emphasise the distinctiveness of the SPLM-North since South Sudan’s overwhelming vote for independence, while Khartoum is reticent to recognise the distinction.

In accordance with the security arrangements in the peace deal, Joint Integrated Units (JIUs) of 24,000 soldiers, 12,000 each from SAF and SPLA were deployed in various towns in South Sudan, Khartoum, Blue Nile and South Kordofan. The forces were to serve as the nucleus for a future national army should the people of South Sudan vote for the unity of the country in a plebiscite agreed as part of the peace deal.

However, with the south voting resoundingly to separate and the SPLA, which became the official army of South Sudan after the 2005 agreement, will in July become the army of an independent nation, making its relations with SPLA-North problematic.

The SPLA is adamant that soldiers from the Nuba Mountains in South Kordofan and Blue Nile cannot relocate to the south as they are not southern Sudanese. On 31 May the SPLA’s spokesperson, Philip Aguer indicated to Sudan Tribune that the SPLA in South Sudan was no longer responsible for SPLA soldiers north of border.

He said it was up to north Sudan "to discuss what to do with the forces in Blue Nile and South Kordofan" belonging to the SPLA-North.

"It is [a] northern conflict and we are not part of it.”

UN Mission in Sudan

The UN Mission in Sudan (UNMIS) shut the doors to its compound on Sunday morning, Sudan Tribune has learnt, as SAF military police with up to 10 vehicles with heavy weaponry positioned themselves outside.

UNMIS’s response to the breakout of fighting in Kadugli is likely to be heavily scrutinised after the criticism its peacekeepers received for their inaction when SAF overran the contested region of Abyei last month.

The UN mission was also accused by Khartoum’s representative at the UN of not doing "anything" when a SAF convoy they were escorting was attacked by a southern armed group in a precipitous clash, Reuters has reported.

A leading UN military official is being dispatched to Abyei to investigate the claim that Zambian peacekeepers stayed in their barracks for two days while the town was being burnt and looted.

It is unclear whether Khartoum will allow the UNMIS mandate to be extended after South Sudan’s independence, regardless of whether the mandate of the mission has been fully implemented in terms of the completion of the CPA.


The SAF’s entry into Kadugli comes less than three weeks after it took control of the majority of the disputed territory of Abyei. The strategically important fertile oil-producing region was occupied by the northern military on 21 May.

Abyei, along with South Kordofan and Blue Nile was one of the ’three areas’ given special status in the 2005 peace deal, but instead of ’popular consultations’ Abyei was granted a referendum on whether it would remain in South Kordofan or join South Sudan.

The future of Abyei also remains uncertain and a source of potential renewed north-south conflict as its plebiscite due for January did not go ahead, leaving the area in limbo and at the center of the high stakes military and diplomatic calculations as the SPLM and NCP try to agree on post-independence issues which include oil and debt as well as implement remaining issues from the peace deal such as border demarcation.

With the south’s secession Sudan will lose 75 percent of the country’s known oil reserves but the Abyei issue is about more than oil revenue. The amount the area produces has decreased since major oil fields were place outside the region by a ruling of the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague in 2009.

The fertile land is used both by the southern-aligned Dinka Ngok and northern nomadic Misseriya tribe, who enter the region looking for pasture for their cattle for a large part of the year.

It was the NCP’s insistence that the Misseriya be granted full voting rights in the Abyei referendum, despite not being permanent residents according to the SPLM, that resulted in the plebiscite being postponed indefinitely.


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  • 6 June 2011 08:32, by liberator3

    Dear readers: To SAF

    Son of Nuba Mountains and Blue Niles of Funj Kingdom are there to stay and to defend themselves as they are real men unlike Abyei’s men.

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    • 6 June 2011 08:50, by Jamustwo

      Dear Darfurian, South Kordofan Blue Nile and Abyei time have come let joint hand andtyr to depence our citizen frm Mundukuru this stupid man call Umar actsen becilu want to death with peopleso let deal with him take the armes and we go.

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      • 6 June 2011 09:51, by de yen

        Forget about people called Abyei, they are not worriors they are singers.
        But I trust our brothers in Fuj, Nuba Mountain and Dafur, they will fight Arab until the end of Bashir reign in power.
        African Sudanese must unite and project their soil from Arab invasion.

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    • 6 June 2011 10:03, by Supporter of Naath Cause


      Yes they have to stay there but as civilians and not as SPLA criminals because they belong to northern Sudan and therefore they should disarm themselves and live as civilians, otherwise they will be wiped out just like their SPLA comerades in Southern that are being defeated by SSLA and our SAF friends. Nuer justice always tells the truth, no bais and no double standard. Even Abyei is a northern state before and after the oil was found there.

      Why are those of Kordofan and Southern Blue Nile allowing theselves to be used again by SPLA syndicate!!

      SPLA militia has already deserted its so-called New Sidan vision and the Militia has chosen the separation of southern Sudan over the unity of Sudan?

      So, what sense it makes for those northerners to still holding on to the SPLA that already used them during the war and now deserted them when the militia got what it wanted!

      North Sudan must make sure to disarm those SPLA militia in Northern Sudan`s states of Kordofan and Southern Blue Nile before July the 9 or force them to retreat to southern Sudan or RoSS before they are used by SPLM syndicate to destablize North or Republic of Sudan after the unfortunate division of Sudan. Or else let arm SSLA wipe out SPLA in Southern Sudan while SAF is destroying those SPLA in north Sudan. SSLA oyeeee,Naath oyeeee, SAF oyeee, but down,down USA and SPLA militia.

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      • 6 June 2011 18:18, by Madut Tong

        Spporter of Naath Cause,

        I don’t know what cause of Naath are you supporting? you talk of Nuer justice at the same time pourout nonsense on this forum. And I become bewilder what do you really want? and I don’t know what to term you, a tribalist, racist or someone puzzled by the reality of this world. You call SPLA which is now prepared as a national army for the upcoming country as militia, and I bewilder whether you know the term itself or not. Militia are arm civilians, who may be in military uniform, but work side by side with the national army such as those who fought beside SAF against the SPLA during the war. in this case, it is nonsense to call SPLA as militia. The second think that you missed is your allegations that those soldiers in south Kordofan and southern Blue Nile have to surrender their weapons to SAF and live as civilians in the region they fought to liberate for around 22 years, makes me think about your identity. And I conclude that you are not a Nuer, the people I know very closely who can even give their lives for the sake of others, could not speak in that way. So please don’t spoil the name of this prestigious tribe with your nonsense. What you also forget is that the majority of those whom you call militia (SPLA) come from this tribe, and this confirm my allegation that you are an intruder trying his/her best to cause conflicts among the tribes within the SPLA, but we knew your faulse identity and you failed the test, so please try other means than this. The SPLA soldiers in southern Kordofan and southern Blue Nile are citizens of those areas and it is a responsibility of SAF and NCP in the north to solve their problem as it is mentioned in the CPA. If SAF decided to ignite war again, that will be another violation of the CPA and will that make you happy as one who want to see Nuer justice implement? stop...stop...stop... your nonsense.

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        • 6 June 2011 21:21, by Supporter of Naath Cause


          The reason for calling SPLA syndicate as a militia is because SPLA is not a national army but military wing of SPLM party thus it does not qualified to be called a notional army like SAF let this one get thru your retarded brain.

          You said that SPLA is being transformed into Southern Sudan Army, this also indicates that it is not yet a national army but it is going to be after the independency of RoSS, but the question will be who will accept his or her army to be made from the SPLA criminals that commited many massacres against various tribes of Southern Sudan? if you answer this question then it will bea good idea to convert those criminals in the SPLA into national army.

          About the lies that Nuer make up about 60% please go and tell these rubbish to those fake SPLA Nuer papets like John Luk and his likes and not to me. Even there are Nuer im SPLA syndicate still they are just being treated as traitors as they called nyagats or they will be sent to frontlines where they willl be terminated. if that is what you called 70% then forget it our 80% is in SSLA.

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          • 7 June 2011 08:29, by Madut Tong

            Supporter of Naath Cause,

            Thank you for your reply which seems to be logical to some extents, however, I want to say that SPLA is not a military wing of the SPLM that is a faulse allegation. Which is the first SPLA or the SPLM? off course the SPLA which started in 1983 then SPLM was form later to address the political issues that the army cannot address. So, SPLA is an army which fought the war to push southern Sudan’s liberation to where we are today. and if you have a sense of appreciating what others have done, you would do that no matter what a position you take. You also ask a question that who will accept the SPLA to be a national army? and called them still criminals. to answer this question you should bear in mind that the SPLA and her alone fought the war in the South, and now they are in control of the upcoming country defending it from any outsider intrusion, so they are already a recognized army nationally and internationally and if you don’t acknowledge them that’s you are still dreaming of another army to take over the south. When you talk of a massacre committed by the SPLA, can you give an example because this is a serious issue? if the SPLA have done what you term as a massacre I think the international community could have announce it as it happened in the case of President Omar al-Bashir and Ahmed Haruna. This doesn’t mean that there were no mistakes committed by the SPLA, but those mistakes cannot level them with criminals.

            Concerning wether Nuer is the majority or not, it is something that the SPLA can answer, but what I know is that the top Generals leading the SPLA are Nuer, Gen. Paulino Matif, and General James Hoth Mai, one of the loyal soldier since he joined the movement in 1983 have not deviated left or right. So, who would you think may use him as he lead the army? that is also a false allegation from your side. You seem to be saying that you are not bias, at the same time you favor the SSLA which was form yesterday to combat the SPLA, whithout any logical reason for igniting the fight in the new nation face by many developmental problems, and say that the majority of NUER are in the SSLA. Are you not bias in that false allegation? if you have your political differences with the SPLM please address them to the party and not to the army, because a national army should be clear from any political biases in order to serve the nation not the party. God bless south Sudan.

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    • 7 June 2011 09:40, by superior Junibi

      South Sudan is doomed:

      what difference does it make to fight SAF now or later after independence?? SAF have now resetled Mesiriya in Abyei and on plots of land that contain large amount of oil. They did that knowing that if SPLA is scared to fight, and opt to negotiate, they will then used recently resetled Mesiriya as living where they currently live.

      Its also going to be hard to let the enemy occupy our main source of wealth, and hope to push them back later. According to Eyewitness, he said SPLA was totally defeated whether by air and on they ground thats why they withdrew their forces

      SPLA is not armed to fight modern wars. We have no air superiority at all. Its better for kiir to give up all the oil and the people of Abyei just to prevent a terrible defeat in the border. Kiir Thought international community will help him.There is no man in this world that will let the enemy occupy his land, rape is wife, killed his children and take his wealth, but do nothing and started crying like a bitch calling for international community to help him!!!!! shame on you. AND WHY IS PAGAN AMUM SO SILENT???

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  • 6 June 2011 08:36, by George Bol

    Who do not believed that there is war by now? If SPLM keep hoping for the best and thinking that the UN will protect their civilians,then they are wrong 100%. UN always hide when the civilains are attack and they did lock themselves in their barack like what they did in Abyei when they allow the SAF to indicriminately kill innocent civilians and few SPLM JIUs in the town.

    I am not a kind of person who like to be caught in darkness and this never been the characters of SPLM/A since its formation.

    I am really blaming our leaders for just putting their hopes for UN and the international while they forget that thausands of their people are dying now and then under their watch.

    Now, I don,t know whether SPLM/A will also withdraw from those two states like they did in Abyei.

    Please, SPLM must know that SAF has no power to play around in our watch. We youth are so mad and i am indeed very very mad about acts of SAF. They think that we are not South who they fought for many years.

    Why are we really worry about the independent that we have gotten?

    Getting the town captured is always a hard thing to do,so SPLM/A must act becuse we/SPLM/A can not endure these kind of behaviours. Ir make me sick completely.

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    • 6 June 2011 09:02, by Lamija Milaja

      George Bol,

      Kirr should renounce tribalism and corruption first, look how Dinkas have misappropriated South Sudan fund, typical examples are the former two ministers of finance and Kirr has not bring any one of them to books. Recently Tito Achil the so called police inspector was caught with huge money and not brought to books.

      Let Kirr clear his home/house first then move to war with arabs. Kirr knows this well that is why he can not order anybody to start war.

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      • 6 June 2011 09:32, by George Bol

        Look at this DOR! he is talking about funds while South is conversing about war. Talking for food during war is usless.

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        • 6 June 2011 09:39, by maduel Anok


          Haha! you are funny, just answer him more rationally.
          However, the silence of ourleaders over the all out war north has declared is really hurting, yes, its indisputable that going back to war with the north over Abyei may sound unwise to south sudanese, but what of defending the two areas of southern Blue Nile and Nuba Mountains?

          Do we wait the to defend them after 9th July. So silly indeed in the setting.

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        • 6 June 2011 09:42, by Lamija Milaja

          George Bol,

          Don’t just bark, get your looters of south Sudan resources to go and fight. Where in the world if your don’t love yourselves you can go together to fight?

          Are you aware about the disunity brought about by our dull, tribal leader Kirr? Look ramped rebellion, ramped looting of public resources, allocation of people to public office, appointment on tribal lines.

          George Bol, truth needs to be told Kirr’s regime has failed to unity south Sudanese. If you think what I am saying is not true come to south Sudan and listen to peoples’ reaction to what is currently going on.

          Let us iron out our difference and come together otherwise more fragmentation, just wait!!

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        • 6 June 2011 12:08, by Wen De David Kuol


          Yes there are so many issues in the House, but can brush aside all those after dealing with a huge challenge facinf the Country Not Kiir Problem but our children, Parent-Elders protection, We don’t the same things hapens in Abyei letting Eldrs to be massacre by SAF shouldn’t be tolerated any more.

          Big Problem first then Corruption issues at last. We May disguised them after conquering The South Sudan Big and Richest Nation.

          South Sudan Oyeee,

          Junubian Oyeeee,

          Abyei for SOuth Oyeeee


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      • 6 June 2011 13:45, by Maperdit

        Mr.you are the idiot i had ever seen,to feed you enough, the two former ministers of finance did n,t emblezzle money,instead the invest alot of money in southern sudan here through local and national companies and that is what they are suppose to do as ministers of finance.

        shut up you big mouths on Kiir please.

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    • 6 June 2011 09:06, by dakin

      Our brothers in Nuba and Blue Nile should not be held captives by Khartoum, they must deploy a defensive mechanism to defend themselves.
      These UN soldiers are not to be relied on. They are useless when there is no peace to keep. They are peace keepers not peace makers.
      Launch a cowadic war against SAF like that of Abyei sons militia and then try to rely on them...
      You will prove me right!

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    • 6 June 2011 11:01, by dengtaath

      George Bol,
      You are focusing on war dodging critical question or comment from lamoja, my friend the case of tribalism in which Salva close his eyes when people that are close to him are corrupting the country and allowing unpopular individuals to lead when are not longer needed by their respective states members, is a serious issue. Salva Kiir will cry in tear one day, he is now giving birth of rebels while the war is mounting there in the border.
      Who do you want to trick now? If you love money, every body love money, if you love your Dinka tribe, every bunch of Southern Sudanese love their tribes. Now, you want to focus on the war leaving the corruption of Salva and his close aids behind, what a dumn thinking are you? I know you George Bol a government big official who is also a part of these corruptions we are communicating here, please short up and go to war yourself.

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      • 6 June 2011 12:48, by AdierCien

        In The Name Of The Trinity God Amen

        George Bol,

        You should know how to control yourself in public places, it is very bad and ashamed to correct someone who passed several level and finally failed to adopt how to live socially. Abusing others and other tribes calling them in a slogan known by you not realistic to the other party is normal to you guys but it is not profession dramatically to persue someone to agree with you.
        Please take time and think what you can do to avoid such languages. It reflects things differently on your sides guys. I am not perfect than you but it is not professional way of communication. Thank.
        May Almighty God Bless South Sudan.

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  • 6 June 2011 09:37, by Aleu

    Khartoum government instead of following the peaceful resttlement then, they return people back to war however, this time Khartoum government will loss in everything.

    The issue of these two State can only be solve by peaceful and not by military solution. All these stupid Ideas of war have been tried in 21st years of the SPLA/SPLM and Khartoum government never won, what will be different this time when there are many Sudanese don’t like Khartoum government.? More States in Sudan could follow Southern Sudan’s independence if Omar al Bashir is still using force as a main agenda to rule people in the Sudan.

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  • 6 June 2011 09:57, by belle loboi

    This is problem of Obama Administration and his counter parts. we need Bush Administration to deal with this clearly situation in South Sudan because they know how to deal with Bashire and Arabs in the Middle East. Also someone has remind of AMUM, where is this guy the byway? i think he is not okay somewhere because i did not hear anything from him since last year. please let me know folks

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  • 6 June 2011 10:45, by Wanibuluk Ciciliba

    I do not like what mr. P. Aguer said that the people in those area are not part of SPLA so they should take care of themselve, that is being blind and forgetful, when SPLA was in the bush it relied on the effort of those men and women so now he simply say that statement?
    In this article, there is a paragraph sayin that one senior SPLM figure said the SAF started parading their weaponery some time back only the operation took place on Sunday, what a sick man is he to watch this happen up to the last? As South awaits it’s July, they are giving enough time to the SAF to nest the boadering towns and by the time morning breaks, there will be no place for SPLA to pass or deploy their own dogs and pushing these guyz back will cost thousands of days and how then, will you in a dream reach to capture Khartoum?
    Town and airports are being saized by the SAF at the sight of the SPLA but where are those who call themselves fighters why can’t they come out with war plans or maping of technical military intervention?- Though we wait for the July thing, Military personnel should not be given allowance of time to be drunk and or sleep at all.
    Peopl of the Kordofan and blue nile, we are part of you whatsoever.
    Time between now and the July event will cost the South alot of pain yet knowing one is supporsed to live in peace and freedom in this time.

    Cheers all.

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  • 6 June 2011 10:56, by Tiger black

    Jalaba& your master bshir think of where to hide!!!!!!!!!!!
    your regime in Khartoum is running crazy of what they cannot achieved through fighting everywhere as well as in southern kordofan is not the best options mr JAlaba and bashir.Your master is total confuse and lack of good strategy of what to do at this time, but SPLA will crash you unreasonable men in Khartoum. i know Arab in North Sudan are being mislead by bashir’s government when they enter in Abyei they are proud of being stronger over the SPLA militarily, but not the case there was no real SPLA deployed makes Ambush and run away from Abyei simple you guys are thug a big liars, you will see SPLA forces soon there in that land, not only alone abyei even another towns in north sudan regions include khartoum itself.

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  • 6 June 2011 13:42, by monykuc, Southerner

    As the independent is approaching, Sudan Arm Forces (SAF) fueled by Khartoum wants to make sure the ocuppy all contesting borders of the South. South will always be at self defense and we shall see how worst it will be for both of us.

    There is absolutely nothing importance than for North and South Sudan to coexist with permanent peace between them instead of engaging in war which will be another disadvantage for the two Countries. If NCP could have capacity and vision, then they would understand that South is on its way and it will never be part of Sudan forever.

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  • 7 June 2011 00:19, by JAMES KUOI STEPHEN

    SPLA,should be very strong and build their possibility to stand firm for objective. that we are going to celeberate our independen very soon including Abyei and others places.
    let the joined post be caution and know who are they, if no respect who will trust, Now if they make some take, report it to CPA Mediaters.

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  • 7 June 2011 06:13, by kulea

    keep it up brothers Nubian this is a good mood let them face the pain

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