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Sudan’s al-Bashir coordinates with Uganda’s Museveni for Kiir-Machar meeting

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President Omer al-Bashir (R) discusses with South Sudanese Politician Lam Akol (C) as Foreign Minister al-Dirdiri listens during IGAD meeting on 21 June 2018 (Photo SUNA)
June 22, 2018 (KHARTOUM) - Sudan’s President Omer al-Bashir has dispatched Foreign Minister al-Dirdiri Ahmed to Kampala to coordinate with President Yoweri Museveni over the upcoming talks between President Salva Kiir and SPLM-IO Riek Machar.

Al-Dirdiri will discuss with Museveni "ways to enforce al-Bashir’s initiative for hosting peace talks between Salva Kiir Mayardit and Riek Machar in Khartoum in order to ensure the support of all the actors in the region to the Sudanese efforts"

The President further directed to brief the Troika and the European Union representatives on the steps that the Government intends to take to implement its initiative for peace and stability in South Sudan.

IGAD head of states tasked al-Bashir to broker further talks between President Kiir and Machar as it has become obvious that the relationship between the two rival leaders is one the hindrance obstructing a lasting peace in South Sudan.

In his speech before the head of states and governments on Thursday 21 June IGAD Special Envoy to South Sudan, Amb Ismael Wais, requested the IGAd leaders "to ensure unimpeded participation of Dr Riek Machar in the peace process".

After the meeting, the South Sudanese government spokesperson Minister Michael Makuei Lueth made public what Kiir said in his face-to-face meeting that Machar can no longer participate personally in the transitional government tasked with the implementation of the peace agreement.

The Sudanese foreign minister, among others, will also meet the IGAD Secretariat to discuss the preparations of the meeting including the presence of some technical staff members in Khartoum during the process.

Initially, al-Bashir wanted to have this meeting before the IGAD meeting and proposed the 17th June but it was finally decided that it takes place after the initiative’s endorsement by all the leaders of the regional block.

The IGAD didn’t yet release the decisions of the meeting of head of states and governments but Ambassador Awais in addition to Machar’s participation in the government, asked the meeting to engage the parties to sign the revitalized Agreement based on IGAD’s bridging proposal and to endorse the targeted punitive measures endorsed by the IGAD Council of Ministers during its 62nd Extra-Ordinary Session.

BASHIR-KIIR MEETING

Al-Bashir and Kiir met on Friday in Addis Ababa and discussed the ongoing efforts to achieve peace and reconciliation in South Sudan.

The Sudanese presidency said al-Bashir "encouraged" Kiir to move towards peace and stressed that Sudan stands for peace and stability in South Sudan.

Al-Abshir said the purpose of the talks in Khartoum on June 25 is "to bring the views closer", and added that "we are not interested in the venue of the talks" according to the statement.

When Khartoum proposed to host the face-to-face meeting earlier this month South Sudanese officials said they prefer to have it in South Africa pointing that Sudan, Kenya or Ethiopia have their own interests in the move.

The Sudanese presidency, however, said that Kiir pledged to be in Khartoum on the 25th for the talks with Machar.

Also in Juba, Information Minister, Michael Makuei told reporters at Juba airport that the President would travel Khartoum on to meet with Riek next Monday.

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  • 23 June 00:16, by lino

    "In his speech before the head of states and governments on Thursday 21 June IGAD Special Envoy to South Sudan, Amb Ismael Wais, requested the IGAd leaders "to ensure unimpeded participation of Dr Riek Machar in the peace process"."
    Gen. Kiir and his supporters must go through the above statement word by word!!!
    If we are peace loving nations, every SS should be accepted in dialogue and political.

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    • 23 June 00:19, by lino

      ...participation!!! If any said he can’t talk or dislike any South Sudanese to participate in politics or the country’s affairs, then this person is a PROBLEM #1!!!
      He must exit and leave the nations to carry their own affairs!!!

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    • 23 June 00:57, by ThaGoblin

      lino to be honest any method that’ll bring peace works. Everyone’s tired of this conflict that’s dragging the whole region down. Halting trade and contributing to instability while being a burden. Who cares who says what. Peace doesn’t revolve around these two. You have to unit and reject the tribalism as a people. Even if these two sign an agreement war will continue until you realise how powerfu

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      • 23 June 01:09, by ThaGoblin

        Cont. how powerful a unitied population can be verses their leaders. Like even people fund the humanitarian operations are tired of this savagery. People are going to Mars very soon and you still can’t decide on who leads. Millions of refugees in sudan ethiopa and uganda, famine and desease. You got your independence just to drag down everyone around you.

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        • 23 June 04:42, by lino

          Ya ThaGoblin,

          We have been saying since the start of the war that both men should be out of power and leave the country alone, but no single person in Juba or Bhr Al Gazal in particular want Gen. Kiir to leave power!
          I am not sure why insistence on him while there are even strong Dinka than him to push the country forward!
          No the majority understand what have been happening and it is up to us!

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        • 23 June 05:05, by Khent

          ThaGoblin

          A perfectly reasonable assessment, but you must recognise that the North (Darfur) also experienced a conflict in which savagery reigned. The UN estimates that a quarter of a million people perished in that conflict. The UN estimate for South Sudan still stands at 50, 000 - but that’s an old estimate so it must be higher now...

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          • 23 June 06:09, by Khent

            Sudan doesn’t have a very good track-record in how it manages its ethnic diversity, and so you’re really in no position to lecture us about tribalism.

            Why didn’t your apparent lack of tribalism stop Arab nomads from encroaching upon and subsequently occupying Jebel Marra massif in Darfur with the complete support of your government?

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            • 23 June 06:15, by Khent

              Why did the Ignaz so clearly evince its preference for Arabs over non-Arabs in that conflict and all other conflicts?

              Bashir said this: "We are an Arab, Muslim nation. Anyone who doesn’t like it can go." You didn’t condemn Bashir for that incredibly provocative statement, did you now?

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              • 23 June 06:17, by Khent

                You need to ask yourself why it is you’ve had a rebellion of some sort in virtually every corner of Sudan —- in all the non-Arab peripheries; and why the rebellions always bemoan the hegemony, marginalization and persecution of a chaunistic and self-serving Arab population.

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                • 23 June 06:30, by Khent

                  What’s my point? I simply don’t appreciate your tone and the revolting lack of self-awareness that inspired it. I will not permit you (or any other Northerner) to lecture to us about tribalism (racism in your case), disunity, civil war, instability and humanitarian disasters...

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                  • 23 June 06:59, by Khent

                    I have acknowledged the crimes my people (Dinka) have perpetrated against other tribes; I’ve acknowledged that thousands of innocent Nuer civilians were targeted and murdered by a repressive and authoritarian Dinka regime. I recognise that South Sudan is a complete failure and that my tribe is responsible for that; I recognise that South Sudan’s Statehood is nearly fictitious...

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                    • 23 June 07:15, by Khent

                      ..I have consistently condemned the Dinka for engaging in State-sanctioned land-theft. Present your argument and make it as scathing as you like, but resist the temptation to pretend that you’ve not experienced similar challenges or that you’re from a country that is the polar opposite — like Norway for instance.

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              • 23 June 11:14, by ThaGoblin

                Khent why do you always take it as a north sudanese lecturing you? Im just a fellow African. Yes Sudan isnt perfect but its making progress and thats the priority. I have a bunch of SSudanese friends and iv always offered my support. Anyway most of africa is chaotic but still not to your extreme. I always condemned Bashir when he mentions sudan is 100% Islamic btw.

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                • 23 June 11:24, by ThaGoblin

                  Cont. Khent youre always bringing up the past like you got some grudge against Sudan. Forgiveness is your solution. Don’t compare 2003 war because that was 15 years ago. Getting Internet was hard let alone owning a smartphone. Times have changed much of the technology already existed but currently it’s affordable to many in africa.

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                  • 23 June 11:34, by ThaGoblin

                    As africans were developing faster then the Europeans did as a result of the new tools we wield. All I’m saying is all the answers are right in front of you as a people. Take advantage of the tools available to help educate the masses. Sudan is a very conservative country and only way to change that is through education. Believe it or not Sudan is changing rapidly.

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                    • 23 June 11:44, by ThaGoblin

                      The youth exposed to the sea of knowledge(internet) are growing up and slowly taking over. People’s perspectives are changing and opening up fast. Even tribalism is slowly dying. We are using technology as a shortcut to development. And this is something our gov can’t control. My point is put the past behind you and find peace even if it’s fair or not the development will gradually creep in

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                      • 23 June 11:50, by ThaGoblin

                        You gotta understand that there won’t be the magic bullet peace agreement, you got too many tribes and a long history of violence. Forget revenge and pull your head out of the cycle. Find stability and the rest will fall into place as time passes by.

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                        • 23 June 11:55, by ThaGoblin

                          The biggest difference between sudan and ssudan is how our wars were always on the borders and most of them were a result of international actors trying to change the Islamic regime by force. Going back a few decades why do you think the Jews helped you out? It was their fear of a unitied Islamic state. These kinds of actions actually fuel more extremism.

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                          • 23 June 12:02, by ThaGoblin

                            Little did they know that through technological advances the center itself will start to change with big religious figures having to deal with their liberal kids first. Thi’s kinda proves that as your population gets educaTed one day you’ll look back and laugh at yourselves wishing you ended the war sooner.

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                            • 23 June 12:20, by ThaGoblin

                              Look at sudan now, yes we have an economic crisis but the economy still grew by 4% in 2017. It’s because of the huge demand for resources to develop this huge country. The gov. Is making big strides in multiple sectors nationwide. Real estate/housing, transportation, mining, education, healthcare, mining, agriculture, tourism etc. Hundreds of thousands of students earning degrees annually.

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                              • 23 June 12:36, by ThaGoblin

                                Con. Why do you think we suddenly have huge demand for resources? The gov has drastically improved people’s lives. Paved roads to almost every corner of the country, cheap housing, stable food, power and water services in most of the regional state capitals. Content people are finally starting to establish their own businesses and industries creating a huge wave of demand for goods.

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                            • 23 June 13:44, by Khent

                              ThaGoblin

                              Mate, you’re making assumptions about me that I fail to identify in the posts that I’ve put up. I don’t have a problem with a son of Greater Sudan (you) providing critique, support or condemnation... it’s the manner of the delivery that concerns me; it comes across a little priggish and I find that irksome...

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                              • 23 June 15:08, by Khent

                                South Sudan is experiencing a humanitarian disaster that you’ve rightly identified as "extreme" but the casualty figures for Darfur were higher. A quarter of a million is more "extreme" than what we’ve lost; you seem to think that the war in Darfur began and ended 15 years ago when it’s gradually been reducing in intensity up to this moment...

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                                • 23 June 15:18, by Khent

                                  ..And this is precisely why I challenge rhetoric that would seem to suggest that Sudan had long resolved the issues you referenced; and if we want to talk about being a burden or a destabilising force in the region, then Sudan’s history of supporting Islamist groups in the region would put it on top of that list. You trivialise your problems, and I take issue with that...

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                                  • 23 June 15:25, by Khent

                                    I provide nuance and context, but you characterise this as holding a "grudge" or being a prisoner of the "past". What "past" is that? Is your occupation of the Lebanon size Kafia Kingi (in opposition to a binding Agreement) in the "past"? It’s internationally recognised as part of South Sudan. Is your rejection of the 2009 PCA Ruling on Abyei in the "past"?

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                                    • 23 June 15:41, by Khent

                                      You can only begin to "forgive" once the injury or offense has completely ended. You’re asking for the impossible if you insist on occupying Kafia Kingi and holding Abyei hostage. This revenge charge is getting tiresome. You people always scape-goat Western powers for problems created by Arab tribes in the regions that experience rebellion.

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                                      • 23 June 15:51, by Khent

                                        Israel helped us because of Sudan’s declaration of war on Israel in 1967. Israel has a policy of trying to weaken hostile Arab and Muslim States and Sudan made itself a target by siding with the Arabs. You’re overstating your economic situation; your reliance on GDP is also misplaced. Before the eruption of war, South Sudan’s GDP was growing at over 20%...

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                                        • 23 June 16:11, by Khent

                                          ..but that did not translate into real economic progress; now, Khartoum has obviously invested far, far more into infrastructure development projects than the death-deserving traitors in Juba but Sudan will face significant economic challenges when debt repayments come into play. Your $50 billion debt will be a considerable problem in the years to come and will bridle your economic prospects.

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                                          • 23 June 16:21, by Khent

                                            I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: I don’t reject or rule out the prospect of rapprochement and possibly even genuine friendship... but to achieve the forgiveness that you so cynically evoke in the absence of returning occupied territories [a war of a kind]… would be the equivalent of a mesmerizing Houdini spectacle.

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                              • 24 June 02:05, by ThaGoblin

                                Khent slow down buddy you use big words for your little understanding of how things work. First they can’t even start counting the dead in south sudan let alone estimate. Darfurs inflated casualty rate was maybe close but an obvious exaggeration. Second I agree with sudan spreading chaos but currently they’ve stopped.

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                                • 24 June 02:09, by ThaGoblin

                                  Third 20% of 15bln from oil growth is nothing but 4% of 180bln of nonoil growth is different. That’s why developed countries expand very slowly. Gdp really matters because it shows what the country itself is worth from trade and production. AND most African nations had larger debts but we’re excused through an initiative. Once sudan pulls the right strings they will get the same deal.

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                                  • 24 June 02:16, by ThaGoblin

                                    Lastly ask your self will palastine ever muster up enough power to retake the lands that have been snatched from them? I don’t think so and same things go for the sudanese lands that you claim. They are lands that we have claims to and the power to control you think we’ll just give them away considering how the world works? Either we get a good deal from you guys or we keep it and consider it part

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                                    • 24 June 02:20, by ThaGoblin

                                      Anyway you’re free to hold such a grudge but that’ll only hurt you because eventual your country is gonna settle for reality just like how everyone’s quiet about the region russia just took over a few years ago. Sudan enjoys alright relations wit egypt even tho we claim land that they control. 3ady it will drag on for decades and you’ll learn to live with it. But it’s you I’m worried about.

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                                      • 24 June 03:54, by Khent

                                        ThaGoblin

                                        I find it laughable that you think you have a greater understanding of the world than I do.
                                        I grew up in the West, so it would actually be un-natural for me to express myself any other way, so stop making a big issue of my "big words". Also, you’re not as strong as you think, so stop equating yourself with Israel and Russia...

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                                        • 24 June 04:03, by Khent

                                          It’s funny how you just dismiss the UN’s casualty figures as merely an exaggeration. Your Ignaz regime contends that 10, 000 people died in Darfur, and you’re free to delude yourself into thinking that it’s accurate. Salva Kiir’s unbearable stupidity, myopia and incompetance has given a bunch of ignorant Islamists the notion that they’re master strategists...

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                                          • 24 June 04:18, by Khent

                                            ..And this has been the case since Garang’s death. I was a teenager when Garang died, and I feel that I’m a politcal orphan of that tragedy; I’ve had to bear witness to mouth-breathing, kowtowing witless worms provide some 7th century-minded morons advantages they wouldn’t otherwise have...

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                                            • 24 June 05:35, by Khent

                                              Your armed forces have failed (despite all efforts) to take Kauda since 2011 and you’re comparing yourself to Russia and Israel? ROFL! That you’re actually comparing yourself to a regional power and a global super-power obviates the need for me to tussle with and your claim to understanding how the world really works. Sudan would be so easy to counter...

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                                              • 24 June 06:03, by Khent

                                                ..that I just watch in disbelief as Juba continously hands Khartoum obscene victories. Salva Kiir is being advised almost entirely by former "Junubin" members of the NCP, which is why my mind can’t help but entertain (if only for a moment) the possibility of conspiracy and treason by dogs whose only reward for working with the enemy should have been death...

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                                                • 24 June 06:14, by Khent

                                                  ..But if that is deemed too extreme, then the vermin (traitors) should have been barred (by Law) from participating in the political environment — in any level and capacity. Traitors are also those that weaken the Nation economically, politically and militarily -> a criteria which would incriminate the entire ’government’.

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                                                  • 24 June 06:48, by Khent

                                                    Your GDP is $118 billion not $180 billion, and it’s absurd to compare the rate of your economic growth with developed economies. Your prospect for debt-relief is entirely contingent on being removed from the State sponsor of terror list - something that is not likely to happen anytime soon. Yes, other countries (with high debts) have qualified for debt-relief...

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                                                    • 24 June 07:39, by Khent

                                                      ..But they’ve not had to contend with a status that makes the possibility for debt-relief infinitely more difficult and drawn out. Stop trying to make me look petty by using the word "grudge" to describe my justified position on very recent affronts. Look up the definition of grudge.

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                                                      • 24 June 09:40, by ThaGoblin

                                                        Khent my bad then some people tend to use intelligent words to try to validate their argument’s but looks like youre not one of them. And I never said the 10k figure was right I said it might be close to 300k but it’s definitely inflated as a result of the wests hostile stance. And I’m not directly comparing sudan with Russia but the ratio between the 2 belligerents.

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                                                        • 24 June 09:45, by ThaGoblin

                                                          Regarding kauda, it’s in the mountains dude the US couldn’t defeat the taliban in the mountains. But when you want a good example of strength you can point to how khartoum literally always had control of juba throughout all the war south of the south lol. Until they gave it away making way for the cpa.

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                                                          • 24 June 09:55, by ThaGoblin

                                                            Why did you correct sudans nominal gdp but not south sudans? It’s 3bln... so your nominal back then mightve still been wayy under the 15bln that I stated earlier. But you get the ratio is like 1/10. And Sudan would be easy to counter, true but not by south sudan any time in the near future. Sudan’s airforce can literally reach out and bomb south’s sudan seat of gov juba and you’d have no capabilit

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                                                            • 24 June 10:05, by ThaGoblin

                                                              I never compared I ment to explain how a larger economy will expand slower. The uk grows around 2% on a good year. They can stop growing if they have a forex crisis. Sudan grew by 4% while having a forex shortage for 6 years now. Shows the economy showing most of that growth is from inside and involves no outside dollars. Grudge is the persistent I’ll feeling from a past insult or injury Lmao.

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                                                              • 24 June 10:13, by ThaGoblin

                                                                You’re right about debt thing it’s not going to happen very soon but give it a few years and they’ll lift it and moSt of the accumulated debt arrears would be wiped leaving a fraction of the overall. Plus ssudan will have to pay its part as well sInce that debt can still be tracked down and know who borrowed and for what. So prepare to share some of the load.

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                                                                • 24 June 18:08, by Khent

                                                                  ThaGoblin

                                                                  I must thank you for your civility, mate. Thank you.

                                                                  Let’s continue:

                                                                  The military gap between Sudan and South Sudan cannot be compared with Russia’s unassailable military dominance with Ukraine. Ukraine can never approach or eclipse nuclear armed Russia, but South Sudan can reach Sudan’s military level...

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                                                                  • 24 June 18:41, by Khent

                                                                    There is no military force on earth that can defeat an insurgency unless the overall population is wiped out; the Taliban did not control towns prior to the US military and the ISAF coalition ceding control to the Afghan army. The Nuba of the SPLA-N actually control territory and directly engage the SAF in a conventional sense. That’s the essential difference...

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                                                                    • 24 June 18:48, by Khent

                                                                      You only maintained control of Juba by creating a large and effective tribal militia network. Khartoum armed, supplied and operated in conjunction with the local Equatorial Defence force and the Bari Popular Resistance Movement/Army; tens of thousands of tribal militiamen were central to Khartoum’s control of Juba...

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                                                                      • 24 June 18:50, by Khent

                                                                        Khartoum’s use of tribal militia was nearly not enough when Juba almost fell in 91 until we had to suspend the operation and re-direct forces outside Juba to stop Riek and his Khartoum supported and supplied Nuer forces. The Nuer were instrumental in your ability to control the oilfields in Greater Upper Nile.

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                                                                      • 25 June 01:09, by ThaGoblin

                                                                        Khent Goes both ways bro
                                                                        Yes south sudan can match sudans current superiority but it’ll take decades unless they sacrifice desperately needed development funds. Sudan doesn’t just have an army they also built up infrastructure to be able to efficiently deploy it’s forces. For example all weather roads, paved runways in every state, local weapons production, military college level training

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                                                                        • 25 June 01:17, by ThaGoblin

                                                                          Cont. Intensive physical training camps, a sizable airforce. The army is also participates in international army training, simulations and real war. Giving us more experience then we already have. Our army is turning into an outright professional army and this takes serious investment’s in defence which is already straining sudans funds forget south sudans.

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                                                                          • 25 June 01:28, by ThaGoblin

                                                                            Gorilla warfare is pretty hard to beat even for the US because army column’s don’t face army columns and the splmn never faces the gov forces head on they either ambush or flash a town then retreat all while in hiding. And yes we can’t just bomb kauda because it’s mostly people and few valuable targets. At the same time they are under siege so the gov is in no hurry to act.

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                                                                            • 25 June 01:36, by ThaGoblin

                                                                              Furthermore on Juba, war isnt just equipment just like how most rebels prefer gorilla war the gov uses its own strategy to minimise it’s loses. If that’s the strategy that works with minimal loss they will use it to maintain their goals. This is war. Shows experience in strategy even the west have similar ways. Anyway main point is who cares life isn’t about war it’s about peace.

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                                                                              • 25 June 04:53, by Khent

                                                                                ThaGoblin

                                                                                I had to cut-short my response but I’m now ready to continue:

                                                                                I concede that I should have corrected South Sudan’s GDP; coming from a military family and being adversarial minded, I was concerned with attacking your weak points. The war has caused South Sudan’s GDP to drop from $18 billion to just $3 billiion...

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                                                                                • 25 June 04:56, by Khent

                                                                                  Your airforce lacks the tools to be truly effective. Your air force uses mortar rounds in lieu of precision guided bombs and missiles. The vast majority of your aircraft are cold war relics without targeting pods; Mig-29s were deployed during the war and they were not all that useful because of this fact.

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                                                                                  • 25 June 05:14, by Khent

                                                                                    The restoration of peace is absolutely essential. After peace has been restored, South Sudan will have to play the long game and bide its time; War requires a great deal of material resources — resources we do not have just yet. It demands refined oil and the domestic production of small arms, ammunition, and heavy artillery. It also requires integrated air defence.

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                                                                                    • 25 June 05:23, by Khent

                                                                                      After it restores peace, South Sudan needs to establish an intimate military relationship with Israel, especially in the field of military organization, intelligence, training and more. Links with Israel would provide Juba with access to advanced avionics, electro-optical systems, targeting pods, encrypted tactical data links...

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                                                                                      • 25 June 05:24, by Khent

                                                                                        48 cores + processor mission computers, battlefield management systems, world class drones, counter-battery radars, SAR radars, AESA radars and much more. Khartoum won’t have access to these things and so South Sudan can eclipse Khartoum’s military abilities if it takes on the challenge...

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                                                                                        • 25 June 06:43, by Khent

                                                                                          Now to be clear, none of this is even remotely achievable with the current ’leadership’. If Juba formulates ways to properly exploit its vast natural resources, it can become significantly wealthier than Sudan, but South Sudan will have to stamp out corruption and put an end to this totally unnecessary war - a devastating war that will prolong South Sudan’s reclamation of its territories.

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                                                                                          • 25 June 07:10, by Khent

                                                                                            Juba needs to institute organisational changes; Military academies need to be established; command and control needs to be more efficient and nimble; logistics require a world of improvement; snap inspections and drills need to be introduced and a strong MIC must be established — one capable of meeting all of South Sudan’s primary needs.

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                                                                                            • 25 June 08:28, by Khent

                                                                                              I really don’t want profligate military spending because this would obviously be at the expense of what should be my Nation’s primary concerns, but we can’t just surrender Abyei and Kafia Kingi. Khartoum spends 80% of its budget on its military - so we have little in the way of choice but to keep up. There is no greater ignorance, misery, poverty and dishnour than to accept dispossession.

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                                                                                              • 25 June 12:15, by Khent

                                                                                                As for Sudan’s soon to be $62 billion debt:

                                                                                                We’re not at all obligated to pay even a cent of that; Khartoum incurred that debt (all of it) because they thought that annexing our territories and then having to borrow and spend billions to defend land-theft, was worth it.

                                                                                                The refusal to return Kafia Kingi in 2011 -per the terms of the CPA (2005)- is recent, so I don’t think I’m holding a "grudge"

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                                                                                                • 25 June 12:39, by ThaGoblin

                                                                                                  Khent Sudan’s airforce has changed drastically believe it or not. But the random bombing’s you hear about are low priority and are just to remind rebels that we can bomb you. But when they want to target high value targets they deploy high precision expensive weapons. These cold war relics you mentioned is what’s still deployed around the world today. Israel still depends on f15s and f16s

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                                                                                                  • 25 June 12:49, by ThaGoblin

                                                                                                    They recently started using f35s but it’s of limited use because it’s new. Sudan’s Su24’s Su25s and m29s are capable of precision airstrikes. But these munitions are very costly so they prefer to use regular bombs. They will use them when they have to. You keep bringing up how Israel will give you the latest war machine but that’s not how things work they give you their export type weapons and use

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                                                                                                    • 25 June 12:56, by ThaGoblin

                                                                                                      The advanced stuff for themselves. Everything you talked about is "ifs" and "needs" yet looks like your war will drag on for 5 more years at the minimum. And you’re assuming sudan is sitting idle waiting for you to arm up. We are already negotiating the procurement of Su-35 jets and highend airdefences. We have other nations willing to sell us advanced weapons as well.

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                                                                                                      • 25 June 13:03, by ThaGoblin

                                                                                                        You mentioned ssudan can be significantly wealthier then sudan. Let me explain that landlocked countries are known to struggle economically from the fact that everything you export to make money is slightly more expensive while everything you import is slightly more expensive. Yes there are trade agreements to reduce tariffs but they expect sacrifices from your end too

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                                                                                                        • 25 June 13:13, by ThaGoblin

                                                                                                          Furthermore sudan is literally 3 times the size of ssudan. We got borders with more countries. We have sea access. We have much better infrastructure, a much larger formal economy, larger phone and Internet penetration rates. Your only advantage is your weather lol. So please explain how you plan to eclipse sudan economically

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                                                                                                          • 25 June 13:24, by ThaGoblin

                                                                                                            Trade wise we are bordering 4 massive landlocked countries that import goods from us. Resources wise we have the upper hand regarding land mass. We have a buttload of old relics to boost our tourism sector. 90% of the debt is accumulated arrears so most of it can be wiped. Ssudan won’t be able to grow much in the next decade let alone eclipse sudans.

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                                                                                                            • 25 June 13:35, by ThaGoblin

                                                                                                              Forget these lands that you claim because you can barely build your economy let alone arm up. You arm up you sacrifice your economy. You’re in no position to be demanding things let alone land that we control. By the time you reach sudans current superiority sudan would be a middle income country with much higher capabilities.

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                                                                                                              • 25 June 13:44, by ThaGoblin

                                                                                                                I feel like I’m killing someone’s dreams since everything you claim is mostly hopes and wishes. All this is irrelevant. I want ssudan to develop as it will eventually contribute to African intertrade and scientific research. We have to unite as a continent to dispose of the current western dominance economically and politically or we will be under their mercy for the rest of our days.

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                                                                                                              • 25 June 13:45, by ThaGoblin

                                                                                                                I feel like I’m killing someone’s dreams since everything you claim is mostly hopes and wishes. All this is irrelevant. I want ssudan to develop as it will eventually contribute to African intertrade and scientific research. We have to unite as a continent to dispose of the current western dominance economically and politically or we will be under their mercy for the rest of our days.

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                                                                                                                • 25 June 15:15, by Khent

                                                                                                                  ThaGoblin

                                                                                                                  Contrary to your belief, Sudan does not have a professional army. It’s almost as if we’re talking about a different military. If you’re talking about your military links with the incompetant Saudis and other Gulf Arabs in relation to your training, then I can’t say that I’m at all worried...

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                                                                                                                  • 25 June 15:24, by Khent

                                                                                                                    Your President has vowed (year in and year out) to pray in Kauda, so let’s not pretend that you have not devoted any attention to it. Sudan also failed to take Jau (South Sudan) - the entry point into Kordofan. This is the area that the SPLA-N is supplied from. Like most African and Arab militaries, you purchased platforms for prestige instead of utility...

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                                                                                                                    • 25 June 15:30, by Khent

                                                                                                                      ..Mig-29s and air superiority aircraft like the Su-35 are of limited use in air to ground operations; modernised variants of aircraft like the Su-25T are far more effective. You can purchase Su-35s but they cost over 30k to fly per hour. I hope you don’t think your Mig-29s can be compared to Israel’s F-15s and F-16s just because they are both clasified as 4th generation aircraft...

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                                                                                                                      • 25 June 15:36, by Khent

                                                                                                                        Your Su-24 and Su-25 aircraft are not capable of precision strikes and would require deep modernization programs to acquire that capability. Every platform in your arsenal is an export variant, so I’m perfectly aware of the fact that whatever we acquire from Israel will be an export variant; modern export variants are still incredibly advanced...

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                                                                                                                        • 25 June 15:45, by Khent

                                                                                                                          The dynamics in our war have changed significantly; the rebels no longer control territory; there are only a few areas left in which the rebels are actually more than just bandits. Darfur was intense for many years before the SAF cemented its military advantage, and yet there is still "war" in Darfur. The same is true for South Sudan’s war...

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                                                                                                                          • 25 June 15:53, by Khent

                                                                                                                            I expect you to purchase new platforms and modernise your military but your options for training are very limited. The Arabs can only serve as a guide on precisely what you should not do. The Russians are the only world class military that you can turn to and they are available to everyone. Juba should establish closer military relations with Israel...

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                                                                                                                            • 25 June 16:40, by Khent

                                                                                                                              Being land-locked is not ideal but it’s no longer a great disadvantage and even if we did have to make concessions or "sacrifices", we’ll pay whatever price is required to make occupation expensive and uncomfortable for Khartoum and the Arabs that moved in. Sudan is literally mostly desert, so we actually may have more inhabitable (and useful) land than you...

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                                                                                                                              • 25 June 17:39, by Khent

                                                                                                                                Having more countries on your border is hardly an advantage; your deployment of forces to the border with Eritrea is a case in point. Your access to the sea is the only advantage that can’t be fully addressed. Your level of infrastructure development is not enviable and the gap could have been reduced in half during the Interim Period. Sudan is a net importer...

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                                                                                                                                • 25 June 17:54, by Khent

                                                                                                                                  Sudan imports more than 2x what it imports so I’m not sure what you’re on about. Sudan’s debt will not be striken anytime soon and it will only get larger and more difficult to service as it consumes a larger portion of your GDP. We will NEVER forget Abyei, Kafia Kingi, Kiir Adem and other areas. This war will not last for too much longer...

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                                                                                                                                  • 25 June 18:02, by Khent

                                                                                                                                    People no longer want to support Kiir and Machar and now realise that the Nation is being held hostage by two men. We don’t need to "arm up" like you; we don’t need Mig-29s or Su-35s. We’ll just need an integrated air defence to act as a deterrance while we invest into our economy and exploit our resources to transform the infrastructure and build other sectors of the economy...

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                                                                                                                                    • 25 June 18:15, by Khent

                                                                                                                                      Those lands are not going anywhere and so playing the long game is precisely what we need to do. I really don’t want South Sudan to devote so much of its meager resources on the military and military operations; I would be perfectly content with Khartoum spending 80% of its budget on the military and military operations...

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                                                                                                                                      • 25 June 18:25, by Khent

                                                                                                                                        ..and service an ever increasing, back-breaking debt. South Sudan will soon be able to sell oil to Ethiopia after we build the refineries that we’ve already secured financing for; that alone would give us $2.8 billion; oil prices will reach $90 next year and with the "compensation" portion of the transit fees coming to an end - we can make billions more...

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                                                                                                                                        • 25 June 18:34, by Khent

                                                                                                                                          ..Billions that should be committed to other sectors of the economy and the construction of an alternative pipeline. Our largest blocks have not even been brought on line; we could probably double or triple our oil production once the alternative pipeline has been completed. Defence is cheaper than offence; the military spending I have in mind would be sensible...

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                                                                                                                                          • 25 June 18:41, by Khent

                                                                                                                                            ..and grow only in proportion with economic growth. Su-35s cost more than an integrated air defence. A strong MIC would allow us to defend ourselves on the ground while we bide our time. If this process takes 15 to 20 years, then so be it. There is simply no way we will ever forget lands that were just annexed in living memory. Some lands were annexed in the 90s...

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                                                                                                                            • 25 June 16:57, by ThaGoblin

                                                                                                                              Khent I said it’s turning into a professional army. Yes it’ll take a little more time but we are making progress. We’ve held drills the gulf states, and egypt multiple times including a drill that included the US. It’s not about learning from Saudis it’s learning how modern wars are fought while having an exclusive preview of the American weaponry.

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                                                                                                                              • 25 June 17:02, by ThaGoblin

                                                                                                                                And yes Bashir has said he’ll be praying there a few times lol but that’s not the point the rebels are literally confined to a few kilometres squared and they’ve been defeated in blue niLe state since there aren’t big mountains. Plus the gov wants to negotiate a deal to lessen the international pressure to halt the war, or else they would kept dropping barrel bombs on kauda year round.

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                                                                                                                                • 25 June 17:07, by ThaGoblin

                                                                                                                                  Su24s are made as precision bombers from the very start requiring very few tweeks so is the su25 which is used in Syria by russia right now. For the su35 it’s actually a bomber go look it up. The su35 and m29 are one of the most feared Russian fighters and are still being used in combat today.

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                                                                                                                                  • 25 June 17:12, by ThaGoblin

                                                                                                                                    You’re really downplaying the war in ssudan. They have a presence in yei right next to you capital... they have states under their control. And forget the main rebels you have dozens of rebel groups roaming the lands looting killing and raping people on a massive scale. Your army isn’t paid for months at a time. So they loot too

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                                                                                                                                    • 25 June 17:20, by ThaGoblin

                                                                                                                                      Well yes you can say you got alot of green in 600k km2 but if you combine all the green in sudan you’d have way more combining south kordufan bluenile state south dafur and the eastern states plus a coastline. Yes we got a ton of desert and there are massive efforts to establish a green wall mostly funded by the west.

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                                                                                                                                      • 25 June 17:34, by ThaGoblin

                                                                                                                                        At the moment ssudan is exactly like when the darfur conflict started. Since in darfur the rebels attacks were limited to flashing and ambushes. So the splaio lost its territory but is gonna be using gorilla war which will cost your army more then you already lost. They will flash towns and retreat to get equipment and ambush your convoys to weaken your positions. And with no airforce you gov will

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                                                                                                                                        • 25 June 18:48, by Khent

                                                                                                                                          ThaGoblin

                                                                                                                                          You’re still mentioning Arab States as though they actually have capable militaries; Egypt fights like any other Arab State - dumb. I doubt the United States would allow you to be privy to any of their strategies and tactics... the things that actually matter. Assuming it’s true that you actually did observe them using their platforms - I don’t see how this helps you.

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                                                                                                                                          • 25 June 18:53, by Khent

                                                                                                                                            You can’t just downplay what your head of State has announced as a military objective just because his army is not as capable as he claimed. I’ve been studying military equipment since I was 17 years old, so don’t tell me that Su-24s and Su-25s are inherently accurate. Modern targeting pods and radars are required...

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                                                                                                                                            • 25 June 18:58, by Khent

                                                                                                                                              The Su-34 is a bomber. The Su-35 is an air superiority aircraft - like the F-15. The Mig-29 is a multi-role jet, and it’s not suitable for CAS operations; it’s far too fast. Russia operates the latest variants of the Su-25 and spent significant amounts of money to bring them into the 21st Century. The electro-optical systems are French, so Sudan will not be getting them.

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                                                                                                                                              • 25 June 19:06, by Khent

                                                                                                                                                The rebels are virtually irrelevant in Greater Equatoria and Greater Bahr el Ghazal. The rebels control just one County in all of Greater Upper Nile, and they won’t have that for too much longer. The rebels (all of them) will be crushed if they don’t accept peace. The only fertile State you have is Blue Nile; South Kordofan is arid; even our areas bordering Kordofan are pretty dry...

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                                                                                                                                                • 25 June 19:10, by Khent

                                                                                                                                                  The SPLA-IO are amateurs at guerilla war; most of them were your allies during the war while we fought as guerilla fighters. We can’t be so easily surprised by them. This whole war is retarded and is completely unnecessary; Salva Kiir should never have allowed Riek to be his Vice-President in the first place...

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                                                                                                                                                  • 25 June 19:15, by Khent

                                                                                                                                                    ..Salva Kiir removed him but then decided that it was smart to try to eliminate him when his tribesmen constituted 75% of the army - another genius idea from our ever brilliant leader. The Dinka went home in 2006 (after decades of fighting Khartoum), and Salva Kiir incorporates tens of thousands of Khartoum’s former Nuer militiamen...

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                                                                                                                                                    • 25 June 19:20, by Khent

                                                                                                                                                      These were the stupid mistakes that caused this war. I would have made a law forbidding anyone that allied with Khartoum during the war to enter politics — which would have removed Riek Machar as a political opponent. I loathe traitors but Salva Kiir has been rewarding people whose very existence is an insult.

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                                                                                                                                                      • 26 June 02:44, by ThaGoblin

                                                                                                                                                        Khent lol you like to debate huh. Well yes you keep downplaying sudan but you can’t even match its current superiority and you speak of surpassing it. Very convincing. You’ve turned sudan into a joke yet it’s in the top ten army wise and economy size in africa. You’re way too optimistic about south sudan because you grew up in the west but change takes time.

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                                                                                                                                                        • 26 June 02:53, by ThaGoblin

                                                                                                                                                          I was born and raised in sudan, not poor or rich been to other African nations and around in general. Africa is hard to deal with to be honest. Corruption, lack of institutions, a majority of uneducated and poor people. It’s very hard to implement anything let alone transform a country. So slow and steady progress is always good. You’re being way to optimistic about very distant dreams.

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                                                                                                                                                          • 26 June 05:36, by Khent

                                                                                                                                                            ThaGoblin

                                                                                                                                                            LOL! I only debate when it’s constructive and civil and I have enjoyed this exchange. There are very people on this site that I can actually talk to about anything. I don’t view Sudan as a joke but I’m not bothered at all. Your advantages have been enabled by those morons in Juba...

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                                                                                                                                                            • 26 June 15:58, by Khent

                                                                                                                                                              ..But South Sudan’s ’leaders’ (like leaders of all Nations) are products of their environment (s), cultures and their broken, nearly non-existant moral compass; their cultures have gone way past their use by date — like in the Neolithic. I want earth-shattering, systemic social change to the point where their cultures are basically dead...

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                                                                                                                                                              • 26 June 18:58, by Khent

                                                                                                                                                                ThaGoblin

                                                                                                                                                                I don’t like Sudan? Before separation, I was the only ’Southerner’ that opposed the ICC’s sham arrest-warrant on Bashir - because I did not like the idea of the Western world subjecting a Sudanese ’leader’ to their power through a fradulent institution...

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                                                                                                                                                                • 26 June 19:13, by Khent

                                                                                                                                                                  Even as recent as 2017, I condemned Egypt’s arrogance and imperialism and proclaimed that Halaib was Sudanese. I used to post on Sudan Forum and was accused of being a Northerner when I condemned my own people for lashing out at every Northerner. I want intimate relations with the North; I want to move forward and forget the past...

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                                                                                                                                                                  • 26 June 19:22, by Khent

                                                                                                                                                                    ..but Khartoum’s refusal to fully implement the provisions of the CPA mandating a return to the 1956 borders and its the refusal to implement the ruling on Abyei, are the only reasons we can’t get along. If we did not have these issues, I would not even view the North negatively. I understand that a multi-polar world requires all of us to come together and that’s what I want.

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                                                                                                                                                                      • 27 June 03:31, by Khent

                                                                                                                                                                        I was a unionist; I believed that Sudan (together) should and could take its rightful position as the most powerful country in this God-forsaken Continent; a Continent in which virtually every ’Country’ submits to Western political and economic power and overreach. It took decades for the British to defeat the separate Dinka, Nuer and Azande resistance efforts...

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                                                                                                                                                                        • 27 June 03:39, by Khent

                                                                                                                                                                          ..And you had your resistance with the Mahdi movement - which we tried to work with, but we were rejected for religious reasons. I assume that the only reason we suffered the indignity of slavery so extensively during the 19th Century is because the Turks and the Egyptians introduced guns in Sudan and tipped the military balance.

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                                                                                                                                                                          • 27 June 03:45, by Khent

                                                                                                                                                                            Like Garang, I wanted a New Sudan that would be diverse but united. I don’t hate Sudan... I hate what their leaders have done. I have condemned my own tribe for engaging in State-sanctioned land-theft against the Shilluk, Maban and the Equatorians. I condemn the other tribes as well. I condemn my own culture, my own ’joke of a ’Country’...

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                                                                                                                                                                            • 27 June 03:50, by Khent

                                                                                                                                                                              ..and (mis)-leaders that are responsible for this sad, depressing state of affairs. Do you understand why I can’t just exempt Sudan from moral judgement? You can’t advocate for closer relations but then support provocative policies that only engender hostility. We’re not the kind of people that will just accept the recent loss of territories...

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                                                                                                                                                                              • 27 June 07:48, by Khent

                                                                                                                                                                                ..Regional blocks will define and dominate the 21st Century; regional blocks can countervail Western political and economic dominance, but that’s contingent on member States actually *respecting* signed Agreements (and each other) - unless you want the project to die on the vine.

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                                                                                                                                                                                • 27 June 12:09, by Khent

                                                                                                                                                                                  I enjoy our debates, but there’s one thing I failed to challenge. You claimed that arid states like South Darfur and South Kordofan are green and that all your green territories are far larger than South Sudan, so I’ll go along. Well, I combined the size of your most fertile States, and Sudan has significantly less green land...

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • 27 June 12:22, by Khent

                                                                                                                                                                                    The combined land mass of Blue Nile, South Kordofan, White Nile, Al Jazirah, South Darfur, Al Qadarif and Sennar is 400k km2 as opposed to 600K km2 for South Sudan. Feel free to let me know which States I missed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • 27 June 14:10, by ThaGoblin

                                                                                                                                                                                      Khent yup but at the end of the day it’s pretty hard to grab land back.
                                                                                                                                                                                      Well 400k km2 is alright since we still have the nile going all the way up into the north. And it’s the resources underground plus extra space is always good. As technology advances salt water desalination becomes cheaper giving us unlimited water reserves to rehabilitate the red Sea state.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • 27 June 19:25, by Khent

                                                                                                                                                                                        ThaGoblin

                                                                                                                                                                                        Yes, it is hard to get land back - especially when one considers all the preparation and resources that are required; wasting resources on military action is not ideal, but a Nation’s first priority is defence and must ensure its territorial integrity. There’s no evidence that the North has more natural resources...

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • 27 June 19:30, by Khent

                                                                                                                                                                                          ..and this is precisely why successive ’governments’ in Khartoum have been annexing fertile, resource rich lands from the South sine 1956; the White Nile-Upper Nile border has been shifted 90 km to the South since 1956. Kafia Kingi (bigger than Lebanon) was annexed in 1960 for its copper deposits...

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • 27 June 19:38, by Khent

                                                                                                                                                                                            Desalination technologies are really exciting; could you imagine greening the Sahel and the Kalahari? An emphasis on science and technology (not war) is precisely what we need to concentrate on. Despite being 14 million km2 smaller than Asia, Africa has more arable land, and with the advent of these new and exciting technologies — the possibilities are endless.

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  • 23 June 03:53, by Eastern

    Now IGAD knows the exclusive politics can’t work; Museveni, the architect of the idea of isolating Dr. Machar is now being faced white elephant! Over to you South South...!

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    • 23 June 07:30, by South South

      Eastern,

      You are not contributing anything meaningful at all. One day you talk about South Sudan printing 500ssp note, as if South Sudan is the only country which has large note currency in Africa. Kenya has 1000 Shilling, Nigeria has 1000 naira, Uganda has more than that, but those countries are moving on. Today you are talking about Riak. South Sudan will move on without Riak.

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    • 23 June 11:31, by jubaone

      Eastern
      Sudan is experiencing a serious economic meltdown, Uganda is too losing millions in revenues, Kenya’s financial sector isn’t doing any good. The Kiirminal has no overall authority over the country. The region has realized, without Riak all is wasted money, efforts and time. The more IGAD foolishly isolates Riak, the more hardened and uncompromising will his followers be

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      • 23 June 11:38, by jubaone

        Two areas are of strategic and economic relevance to SS and entire region. Upper Nile for the oil fields and Equatoria for the huge foreign investments, skilled, educated and business friendly people. Bahr el Ghasal has practically no strategic and economic relevance as of now. This explains the reasons, despite relative peace no meaningful development has ever taken place here.

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        • 23 June 11:45, by jubaone

          Both Bashir and M7 are keen to ensure that their economic interests ate safeguarded. But how, if the kiirminal has no overall authority over these 2 regions? Either intensify the war with a view to completely remove IO and SSOA (impossible) or make a deal. For its part the IO and SSOA have to relax, ensure that the Kiirminal never gets upper hand in Upper Nile and Equatoria.

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          • 23 June 11:51, by jubaone

            Judging from the events unfolding especially in Bahr el Ghasal, entire swathes of land are already empty as many have fled to Sudan or Equatoria due to starvation, hunger and inter clan violence. Much of Bahr el Ghasal has been turned into open grazing fields for cattle with no meaningful development. This doesn’t bother the Kiirminal neither fellow Bahr el Ghasalians who feel comfortable in Juba.

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  • 23 June 07:57, by elephane George kel

    I don’t actually know what hurts KIIRISTIAN when they hear you speaking the truth

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  • 23 June 08:00, by elephane George kel

    JCE have to be told to accept people oriented peace this time not tribal welfare

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    • 23 June 08:57, by Redeemer

      Eastern
      you guys will continue as usual and in the end you will all come back. We will not stop telling you this, what we need ( we the Dinka)is not Kiir but we will never give in to the farce change. No matter how much it will cost us, we will make you to sing a new song of peaceful change

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  • 23 June 22:47, by Nairobimitot

    Jubeone
    Let us keep it short and straightforward. I see you commenting about Jienng or Dinka. If you do not like Jieng or Dinka, how are you going to become the President of South Sudan? If your Son or your close friends do not like Dinka, how are you going to become the president of South Sudan? I do not see any chance for you forget about Riek Machar. You need to organize yourselves, be smart. If you do not; you will always be grieving. Who got time for your crappy grieving? Show right attitude and love all your people, then you will have not only a good life, but you will also become the president of South Sudan. It is straightforward to become the president of South Sudan if you don’t kill the people of South Sudan because of tribalism.
    If you want to succeed in politics, you have to show the public that you are a good politician who does not separate and classified the people of South Sudan based on tribal contact. Show that you can become a good leader, a good leader does not cause problems or insult the others. A future leader preaches the world of unity and love and good life among the people. If you keep saying Jieng or Dinka, your mind is going to be blocked naturally and your thinking will be changed, and you will become more radical. You will end up wasting your time, instead of helping your low-income family who is suffering everywhere around the world. And your family and your country will feel sorry for you when the times come for you to crazy. After you have gone mad because you hate Dinka be following Riek Machar, who is going to bath you?. I am sure you don’t want to be dirty and poor for the rest of your life. You need to start loving all your people of South Sudan. Jieng or Dinka are your brothers. REPO

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  • 23 June 22:47, by Nairobimitot

    Jubeone
    Let us keep it short and straightforward. I see you commenting about Jienng or Dinka. If you do not like Jieng or Dinka, how are you going to become the President of South Sudan? If your Son or your close friends do not like Dinka, how are you going to become the president of South Sudan? I do not see any chance for you forget about Riek Machar. You need to organize yourselves, be smart. If you do not; you will always be grieving. Who got time for your crappy grieving? Show right attitude and love all your people, then you will have not only a good life, but you will also become the president of South Sudan. It is straightforward to become the president of South Sudan if you don’t kill the people of South Sudan because of tribalism.
    If you want to succeed in politics, you have to show the public that you are a good politician who does not separate and classified the people of South Sudan based on tribal contact. Show that you can become a good leader, a good leader does not cause problems or insult the others. A future leader preaches the world of unity and love and good life among the people. If you keep saying Jieng or Dinka, your mind is going to be blocked naturally and your thinking will be changed, and you will become more radical. You will end up wasting your time, instead of helping your low-income family who is suffering everywhere around the world. And your family and your country will feel sorry for you when the times come for you to crazy. After you have gone mad because you hate Dinka be following Riek Machar, who is going to bath you?. I am sure you don’t want to be dirty and poor for the rest of your life. You need to start loving all your people of South Sudan. Jieng or Dinka are your brothers. REPO

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The Suspension of Hurriyat Online Newspaper 2018-04-29 07:04:37 Sudan Democracy First Group 28 April 2018 The Sudanese civil and political circles and those concerned with Sudan were shocked by the news that the management of Hurriyat online newspaper has (...)

Petition on the Deteriorating Human Rights and Humanitarian Situation in Sudan 2018-04-22 10:01:20 UN Secretary-General, New York African Union Commission, Addis Ababa UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Geneva Petition on the Deteriorating Human Rights and Humanitarian Situation in Sudan (...)

Abyei celebrates Mine Awareness Day 2018-04-05 08:52:03 4 April 2018 | Abyei - The United Nations Interim Security Force for Abyei (UNISFA) and the United Nations Mine Action Service (UNMAS) commemorated the International Day for Mine Awareness and (...)


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