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South Sudan president will not discuss Abyei in Khartoum: official

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President Omer al-Bashir (C-R) walks alongside his South Sudan's counterpart Salva Kiir (C-L) upon his arrival at Khartoum airport on Sept 3, 2013 (Photo AFP)
October 28, 2017 (JUBA)- South Sudan President Salva Kiir set to visit the neighbouring Sudan next Tuesday will not discuss the issue of the oil producing and contested border town region of Abyei, said presidential aide.

“The agenda of the issues to be discussed has been finalized and unless it is revised before the president travel, I don’t think the issue of Abyei will be a subject of discussion because it is not one of the talking points based on the content of the current agenda,” said the source.

In a briefing to the UN Security Council about the situation in Abyei on Thursday 24 October, Alexander Zuev, Assistant Secretary-General for Rule of Law and Security Institutions, said South Sudan was behind the delay in the meeting of Abyei Joint Oversight Committee.

However, he said the South Sudanese government prefers to await the outcome of the expected meeting between the Presidents of South Sudan and Sudan.

But the South Sudanese official who requested anonymity said the content of the talking points during the visit includes a briefing on the progress made in the implementation of the 2015 peace agreement, the position of the government on the IGAD role in the implementation process, the role the member states will play in the revitalization and other complementing initiatives the government has undertaken.

The Juba-backed Dinka Ngok of Abyei refuses to the formation of joint institutions in the disputed area saying they prefer the organisation of a referendum without the participation of the Sudanese nomad of the Messeiriya tribe.

The South Sudanese presidential aide further pointed to the national dialogue, the reunification process of the Sudan People’s Liberation Movement (SPLM) factions facilitated by the Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni as some of these complementing initiatives which the government has undertaken to complement the implementation of the peace agreement.

Juba believes that the IGAD-initiated revitalization process will open the door for the opposition groups to interfere in the ongoing implementation of the peace agreement that President Kiir wants to achieve only with the SPLM-IO faction led by the First Vice-President Taban Deng Gai.

The South Sudanese leader, according to the source, will also use the visit to congratulate the Sudanese president for the lift of U.S. economic sanctions and give assurance of support to jointly work together with Sudan for removal from the list of states sponsor of terrorism.

“The president will go with an open heart for frank bilateral discussions. He will implore his brother President Omer al-Bashir how best they can work together to end the conflict here in this country and also in the Two Areas and Darfur in Sudan," he said.

"The issue of armed opposition using the common border will be discussed as one of the key points. Other issues like the border crossing, joint patrol and enhancing economic cooperation in the oil sector will also be discussed,” he added.

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  • 28 October 22:31, by padiit gaga

    Wow this Cowboy still trying to deceives the world by telling that he would implement 2015 peace with Taban who will accept that there is No Taban I.O who will make peace with SI while they are one. Who you afraid with Riek to stand before him. This time there No need to talk it is time for action the I.C.C is waiting for you instead of going poll you must go to court for killing innocent civilian

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    • 29 October 00:46, by Khent

      Salva Kiir is an absolute disgrace; these constant and fruitless bilateral talks with Khartoum just re-enforce the perception that the hard-won ’independence’ is merely fiction. Juba has made itself almost entirely dependent on Khartoum by failing to construct an alternative pipeline during the Interim Period...

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      • 29 October 00:51, by Khent

        The alternative pipeline would have required a maximum of $6 billion dollars and the criminals in Juba siphoned off over $18 billion dollars since 2005. I really don’t understand why Juba has allowed itself to be so dependent on an enemy State. Juba had years to build an alternative pipeline, but inexplicably squandered that opportunity...

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        • 29 October 00:56, by Khent

          Juba has also made itself terribly vulnerable to Khartoum by failing to develop a military capable of ensuring its territorial integrity. There is absolutely nothing more important than a Nation’s ability to defend itself, but Juba doesn’t seem to understand this and through child-like ignorance, stupidity, endemic corruption, incompetence, myopia and initiating self-destructive wars...

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          • 29 October 01:09, by Khent

            ..Juba has permitted Khartoum to occupy areas like Kafia Kingi, Abyei, the Megenis mountains, Khor Ayul, Gulli, Kur Wi/Jebelayn, Chali al Fil, Aliiny [’Heglig’], the ’Unity triangle’ and Mile 14 . And if all of this wasn’t enough, Juba had to start killing its own people as well - sparking a war that will have social and political ramifications for decades to come...

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      • 29 October 09:50, by Eastern

        Khent,

        Any South Sudanese leader, including Kiir, who visits Khartoum will always SKIRT the issue of Abyei - it’s a caustic topic posterity will live with thanks to the intrigue and fear of the current leaders...

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    • 29 October 04:19, by Newsudan

      Now,NgokDinka the ball is yours,fight for your freedom, Kiirdit has given up Abyei to Hitler Bashir. infact all disputed areas are firmly in hand of Khartoum.

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      • 29 October 04:28, by Malakal county Simon

        Newsudan

        Here we go! Let’s Newsudan go and fight for Abyie, since no one is interested......

        Another News in the making>> Am glad that’s STD is about to leave IO the real owners to either form his own party or joins Kiir faction......

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        • 29 October 04:47, by Khent

          Malakal county Simon

          Who asked for your participation in any prospective conflict with Khartoum? You’ve been allies for decades and only returned in 2006 when that idiot Salva Kiir allowed tens of thousands of Khartoum’s Nuer militiamen to numerically dominate the army at astounding 70%...

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          • 29 October 04:56, by Khent

            The people who actually fought the war against Khartoum largely went home in 2006, and so on the one (1) year anniversary of the CPA they graciously permitted the return of Khartoum’s wretched weasels, snakes and dogs. Snakes and dogs that quite unfortunately became the majority in our armed forces in 2006, even though they were Khartoum’s witless lackeys during the war.

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            • 29 October 05:12, by Khent

              The Dinka don’t really need any other tribe to get involved in any potential conflict with Khartoum because we can draw upon our own experience and resilience to contend with Khartoum on our own. Salva Kiir and his ’government’ of thieves and traitors need to be removed before anything can happen. The idiot only has the support of 2 [out of 25] Dinka sections in this war against Riek.

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          • 29 October 05:30, by Malakal county Simon

            Khent

            My comment above is directed to Newsudan, as he was begging two days ago that’s Nuers and Dinkas, will fight for Abyie if the rest of South Sudanese tribes refuse to do so......

            Take it easy because you seemed to be upset....

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        • 29 October 05:05, by Newsudan

          Malakal county fool
          only Kiirdit is afraid of Khartoum, we are ready 100% to face Hitler Bashir like our fathers: Jarad (Koryoms),Mourmour,Kazuk,Zalzal,Infijar,Intifadha,intisar: you see those generations of fighters one after another, it’s now our turned, just be patience.

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          • 29 October 05:18, by Khent

            Newsudan

            Salva Kiir deserves to die. He has humiliated us with his cowardice and servility. He deserves death for enabling Khartoum’s occupation of our lands and for betraying our struggle and putting it into utter disrepute. That entire ’government’ of thieves and traitors deserve to be forced to face the wall and shot.

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            • 29 October 05:54, by Newsudan

              Khent
              exactly, begging Khartoum every time for peace, for what,the very Bashir fueling war intensively in the South.SPLA shld rise it readiness to the highest level period.

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          • 29 October 05:37, by Malakal county Simon

            Newsudan

            Blah Blah Blah! I heard this brave empty talk before, but never materialised.... And that why you can’t never win this imposed war against brave hearts rebels, with only light weapons without UPDF and SPLM_N mercenaries support....... Take july 8-2016, as a good example!!!!

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            • 29 October 05:46, by Khent

              Malakal county

              It’s well known that tens of thousands of Khartoum compliant Nuer militiamen returned to the army in 2006 and became the majority, with as much as 70% of the army coming from that tribe and so their initial successes were understandable. The Nuer had those initial successes because the ever brilliant Salva Kiir allowed traitors to dominate the army...

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              • 29 October 05:46, by Khent

                I don’t think that Salva should have allowed the Ugandans to get involved in the first place, and wouldn’t have needed them if he hadn’t alienated and angered every Dinka section except for his father’s people in Gogrial and his mother’s Abiem people. His first mistake was allowing traitors to dominate the army...

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                • 29 October 05:48, by Khent

                  You people seem to think that the Nuer and others are fighting the Dinka in this war. That’s not the case. You’re fighting select clans from only two [2] out of twenty-five [25] Dinka sections. The people of Tonj [Warrap] and Lakes State are angry with Salva Kiir and haven’t joined this war...

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                  • 29 October 05:49, by Khent

                    The Dinka of Greater Upper Nile have also not joined the war, and this is precisely why Salva required and solicited the Ugandans to augment his small force, especially in the initial stages of the war when he hadn’t yet mobilized enough troops to take on the Nuer that he had so foolishly allowed to account for 70% of the army. He deserves death for that alone.

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            • 29 October 05:58, by Newsudan

              Malakal county fool
              Khent has answered it all your idiocy.

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        • 29 October 08:21, by Nairobimitot

          Riek Machar has been in the SPLA since 1987, and he has been part of the movement. There is a difference between Riek Machar and his supporters. Riek Machar is an SPLM official and a leader among the SPLA SPLM in the beginning and him always rebel. His followers, however, have not been with the movement since the first day the SPLA/SPLM started. They opposed the change since the 1985 and 84 up to now. So, if they do not agree with everything that the party of the country is doing, do not be surprised because they have never been involved in the movement. Do not blame Malakal County Simon or any other Riek Machar supporters because they do not know anything about South Sudan the government of South Sudan. The only person who knows what he is doing is Riek Machar himself, and he always rebels and forces his ways out all the time. That has never won him any victory. He is still a failure.

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  • 29 October 06:37, by Sunday Junup

    Newsudan/Khen,
    Abyei issue has been closed since long time ago, only dr.Riak is interesting in it but Nuer said to him enough is enough. Nuer will never die again for the cost of Dinka. Dinka will never fight any rebellion. Kiriminal Mayardit should not wast his time begging Bashir, just send your guys to face Mighty Nuer. Kiir always narrates how Nuer conquer many areas in the time of Colony.

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    • 29 October 06:44, by Khent

      Sunday Junup

      There is no reason for Khartoum’s favourite tribe [Nuer] to ever get involved in any Dinka-Khartoum conflict. We are more accustomed with the Nuer fighting us on the side of Khartoum, so why on earth would the Dinka expect you to fight and die on our side?

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      • 29 October 06:46, by Khent

        I really doubt that you can produce a single citation in relation to what you have attributed to Salva Kiir. No one regards the Nuer as ’mighty’, so engage in your laughable self-delusion elsewhere.

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    • 29 October 08:26, by Newsudan

      Sunday Junup
      Abyei issue Will be resolved militarily. leave it alone to Dinka and large portions of Nuer under Taban Deng: not all Nuer are rebels, Gajaak,Gajiok has rejected Riek aimless rebellion the same thing in former Unity.all have defected to STD accept few Adok who still cling to Riek

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      • 29 October 08:36, by Nairobimitot

        All the Nuer still in the displaced camps are opposing Riek Machar, and they finally knew that he is a failure and all of them are now supporting the government. The only Nuer who is not helping the government is the one who had not suffered and smell the war because when the fight happened, they were not there. Those who are still supporting Riek Machar are living abroad and drinking and getting drunk. Do not know what they are saying, they have small brains and cannot walk or see because they are blind.

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      • 29 October 08:43, by Khent

        Newsudan

        You have to stop including the Nuer in your calculations. The Dinka can mobilize and execute the war for these areas all on their own, so please stop including them. I don’t want one single non-Dinka to get involved in any of this.

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        • 29 October 09:00, by Newsudan

          Khent
          SPLA is currently ten tens thousands, at least 1million men are needed to confront SAF once and for all.

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          • 29 October 09:44, by Khent

            Newsudan

            You don’t need such large forces in the 21st Century. I would actually reduce the size of the army to 80, 000; a small, educated, well conditioned, highly trained, integrated and well armed force can defeat hundreds of thousands of enemy combatants. There are a great deal of hard men in South Sudan but they lack the intelligence to be useful. Reforms are required.

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            • 29 October 09:45, by Khent

              South Sudan needs to comprehensively overhaul its military over a ten year period, at the very least. South Sudan has more ’Generals’ than the British military - a problem that all African militaries impose on themselves. South Sudan has no military Academies and makes use of platforms and weapons from the 60s. That needs to change...

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              • 29 October 09:46, by Khent

                ..If Juba plays its cards right, it can have access to things that Khartoum couldn’t even dream of. Juba needs to change the way it views war and the way it prosecutes it; Juba can send its most gifted, intelligent and hard-working officers to Israel to learn the Western way of war and how to execute combined arms operations...

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                • 29 October 09:46, by Khent

                  Khartoum won’t have access to this world. Juba also needs to work with Israel and Russia to build up its intelligence capabilities and capitalize on the expertise and strengths of each to build a formidable intelligence apparatus. Links with Israel would provide Juba with access to advanced avionics, electro-optical systems, targeting pods, encrypted tactical data links...

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                  • 29 October 09:47, by Khent

                    .48 cores + processor mission computers, battlefield management systems, world class drones, counter-battery radars, SAR radars, AESA radars and much more. Khartoum won’t have access to these things and so South Sudan can eclipse Khartoum’s military abilities if it takes on the challenge...

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                    • 29 October 09:48, by Khent

                      Now to be clear, none of this is even remotely achievable with the current ’leadership’. If Juba formulates ways to properly exploit its vast natural resources, it can become significantly wealthier than Sudan, but South Sudan will have to stamp out corruption and put an end to this totally unnecessary war - a devastating war that will prolong South Sudan’s reclamation of its territories.

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                      • 29 October 09:49, by Khent

                        Israel can provide South Sudan with certain short and medium range tactical drones, but Juba really should work directly with scientists and engineers from South Africa’s Denel systems and Israel Aerospace Industries to develop long range drones, in order to circumvent the Missile Technology Control Regime...

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                        • 29 October 09:50, by Khent

                          The lack of discipline in South Sudan’s armed forces is unbelievable, and so Juba really should introduce high and stringent standards on discipline; virtually nothing is prohibited — nothing is contraband. Juba also desperately needs to retire any illiterate in senior positions and work on increasing literacy among the grunts...

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                          • 29 October 09:50, by Khent

                            ..Juba should also improve its relations with Washington and other Western countries of significance in order to advance its military capabilities; it needs to send its best officers to America’s premier military academies such as West Point and Fort Benning and send others to academies in Israel, Britain and Russia..

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                            • 29 October 09:51, by Khent

                              Juba needs to institute organisational changes; command and control needs to be more efficient and nimble; logistics require a world of improvement. I won’t even get into the details on South Sudan’s virtually non-existent training programs; snap inspections and drills need to be introduced and a strong MIC must be established — one capable of meeting all of South Sudan’s primary needs.

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                              • 29 October 15:52, by jubaone

                                Khent,
                                I concur with most of what you suggest in terms of complete overhaul of the SS army (as opposed to a tribal SPLA currently). The basic question would be, do we really have a sense of "patriotic nationalism?" One that would mould the various ehtnicities to a formidable fighting force? This must precede any structural/organizational or logistical arrangements for an army.

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                    • 29 October 10:28, by ThaGoblin

                      Lmao just because actual sudanese aren’t active on this page doesn’t mean you can fool everyone else with lost hopes. First sudan has come in from the cold politically and onces it’s off the terror list we will once again be abe to buy weapons directly from the states. Second sudan already has a military industry established already locally producing weapons making it much cheaper to arm it’s cur

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                      • 29 October 10:31, by ThaGoblin

                        current forces. Sudan also has a port making it much easier to import heavy weapons. On top of all that sudan has a significantly larger economy and population making it much easier to find resources for its armed forces. By the time juba gets its act together just imagine where khartoum will be

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                        • 29 October 10:38, by Khent

                          ThaGoblin

                          Yeah, it may take another twenty years before Sudan is removed from the State sponsors of terror list. South Sudan has a smaller population and more resources, so it actually has an advantage. The United States will not be selling you weapons anytime soon. LOL!

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                          • 29 October 10:47, by ThaGoblin

                            I doubt it will take 20 years haha but it’s just sad to think that juba will get anywhere militarily when more then half the population is hungry let alone without healthcare or education. Sudan already has not all but most covered. On the topic of resources sudan is more then twice as big as the south plus it has a port to facilitate any exports. In fact at the moment both the north and south pro

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                            • 29 October 10:52, by ThaGoblin

                              In fact at the moment both the north and south produce around the same volume of oil around 130000bpd each. Just consider our fees on your oil as extra oil money for the north. Landlocked countries always have the lower hand with trade since they have to depend on other countries to import anything. Sudan has a port and borders 4 landlocked nations giving the benefits of transit fees

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                            • 29 October 10:55, by Khent

                              You may have all of that covered in Khartoum [unlikely] but the rest of Sudan does not have the basics "covered". Look at the figures again before boasting about the wealth of a country that lost half a million people in the Darfur genocide.

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                              • 29 October 11:04, by ThaGoblin

                                Youre mentioning something thats more then 15 years old lol. Refugees are already returning back, weapons are being collected and development projects are being implemented. That’s called recovering. Plus if compare infrastructure I can bet that alfasher or nyala have more schools, hospitals and paved roads then the capital juba if we are comparing development.

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                                • 29 October 11:10, by ThaGoblin

                                  I never boasted about sudans wealth but I had to point out that you can’t compare the south and the north anymore. The south is one step from being a failed state that has to start from scratch with not water system or power grid unfortunately. And I’m not here to gloat either just getting the facts clear. Instead of comparing armies you should be trying to find a soLuton because we have to devel

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                              • 29 October 11:06, by Khent

                                Sudan’s oil production does not even cover domestic requirements. South Sudan’s oil production fell significantly due to the civil war and will soon be restored to 300, 000 - and that’s even before the largest block has even been exploited. Block B is larger than all current blocks and Block E covers almost all of Bahr el Ghazal.

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                                • 29 October 11:11, by Khent

                                  Ah, yes Darfur is experiencing ’recovery’ after being witness to the worst genocide since Rwanda. Tragedies like that take decades to recover from. Your metric for ’recovery’ is childish.

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                                  • 29 October 11:17, by ThaGoblin

                                    You mentioned Rwanda that was 1994 now rwanda is one of the fastest growing economies in africa. What’s your point 15 years have passed.

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                                  • 29 October 11:19, by Khent

                                    South Sudan has been mismanaged since Garang’s death and this has accorded you the opportunity to take advantage of myopic, corrupt and ignorant death-deserving traitors. Sudan has a larger population so I doubt Sudanese citizens outside of Khartoum are so much wealthier. The recent civil war in South Sudan has worsened things for South Sudan.

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                                    • 29 October 11:24, by ThaGoblin

                                      Yes khartoum is much better off then most other cities in the country but atleast every state capital has state schools, universities, hospitals, paved airport, and a paved road linking it to the national road system. For example blue nile state capital actually has a power grid and tap water.

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                                      • 29 October 11:32, by Khent

                                        TheGoblin

                                        A lot of your current infrastructure was constructed during the colonial era and your modern infrastructure was made possible using South Sudan’s oil during the Interim Period. South Sudan is younger and has been terribly mis-managed but it has a greater potential for economic growth.

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                                        • 29 October 11:45, by ThaGoblin

                                          You mean limited to greater farming potential. Sudan is more then double the south’s land area so of were speaking about minerals that’s out of the question. Moving to industry sudan has better infrastructure which makes it more competitive. Tourism? Sudan has horrible weather but it has way more monuments like meroe swakin naga bagrwia plus it has a coast with untouched beaches. A coast is nice b

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                                          • 29 October 11:55, by Khent

                                            ThaGoblin

                                            Where did you get this adorable idea that land surface area has a direct correlation with mineral wealth? Using your logic Australia is larger than the DRC so it must have more mineral wealth.

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                                            • 29 October 12:08, by ThaGoblin

                                              Well minerally wealth is basically luck and the drc turned out lucky to have very rare minerals true but Australia has much more volume of everything like oil coal uranium dimonds etc. This logic comes from the larger the size the higher the chances of finding things. If you’re betting on luck and assuming southsudans mineral potential good luck but even that doesn’t secure development for example

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                                              • 29 October 12:16, by Khent

                                                ThaGoblin

                                                The DRC is the most resource rich country on earth; it has over $23 trillion in mineral wealth and if had a government with a clue it could exploit these resources and export them in large volumes. Your little equation makes little sense so...

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                                                • 29 October 12:28, by ThaGoblin

                                                  Thats called getting lucky. And yes they need proper institutions and government to develop. You still don’t have either the gov or mineral wealth so I’d say your banking on false hopes. We are banking on reality and improving that reality. All you plan to do is export minerals? Pathetic plan look at Zambia for example good gov and a lot of copper but still struggling with commodity prices falling

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                                                  • 29 October 13:27, by Khent

                                                    ThaGoblin

                                                    It directly debunks your earlier contention that land mass is directly related to mineral wealth. Are you really contending that you have a proper government that studiously manages your affairs? Reliance on mineral wealth is not something I have advocated for, and so your argument is a bit of a straw man argument.

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                                                    • 29 October 13:33, by Khent

                                                      Tell us about all your great institutions because I would love to hear it. Sudan consistently ranks at the bottom of every list on good governance. Sudan has been independent since 1956 and so your progress has been a little slow.

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                                                      • 29 October 13:45, by Khent

                                                        Believe it or not, but I was actually a proponent of a unified Sudan. I wanted nothing more than for Sudan [as the largest country in Africa] to take its rightful place as the most economically dynamic and powerful country in this wretched continent. I dreamed of utilizing our hydrocarbon resources to bolster our agriculture sector, establish a manufacturing sector, coding...

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                                                        • 29 October 13:46, by Khent

                                                          ..and computer programming. As I saw it, each preceding sector would help provide funds for the next sector. I wanted an education system that prioritized critical thinking, problem solving and creativity. We would take elements from Finland’s education system, Germany’s apprenticeship system and Shanghai’s emphasis on critical thinking.

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                                                          • 29 October 13:46, by Khent

                                                            Greater Sudan already has unbelievable potential in the agricultural sector, but just imagine if we used graphene oxide filters to turn sea water into water that can be used for agriculture, and based on the pace of developments in this field, the cost of using this technology will soon approach conventional means of extraction...

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                                                            • 29 October 13:48, by Khent

                                                              ..This means that areas that are currently desert, arid and semi-arid can be turned into productive agricultural territory. Brazil makes over $30 billion from just selling sugar. The possibilities for Greater Sudan are only limited by the stupidity, myopia, greed corruption and incompetence of those that currently ’govern’.

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                                                              • 29 October 13:49, by Khent

                                                                This century will not be dominated by Nation-States, it will be dominated by regional blocks and this is why peace and cooperation is absolutely essential. I really do wish we didn’t have territorial disputes because this needlessly complicates things, and I would rather not spend meagre financial resources in the preparation and prosecution of war.

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                                    • 29 October 11:27, by ThaGoblin

                                      All I want to get across is for you to think of development and not military size to defeat your sworn enemy. We are all Africans and have to work for African unity. And just for your info I’m a minority in sudan and not one of the elite tribes or anything. I’m just an average citizen.

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                                      • 29 October 11:38, by Khent

                                        ThaGoblin

                                        I have consistently re-affirmed that political and economic reforms must first be attended to before we can reclaim our lands from Khartoum. I prefer peace but this occupation will not be tolerated.

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                                        • 29 October 11:51, by ThaGoblin

                                          Occupation? Land is just land and whoever is stronger takes over. You might say it’s occupied but at some point you occupied if from other people. So after the years pass by under sudanese occupation it will become sudanese. We can then keep it or use it as a bargaining chip with south sudan to gain a favor like economic factors

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                                          • 29 October 12:00, by Khent

                                            "Land is just land" - ThaGoblin, 2017. Perhaps you should inform Khartoum that it need not regard Israel as an enemy State for ’occupying’ Palestine. It’s just land after all
                                            LOL! Also stop complaining about Egyptian occupation. It’s just land.

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                                            • 29 October 12:11, by ThaGoblin

                                              Yeah I know that’s not how people consider land but it’s the truth and I never brought up halayib or Israel. If they can hold on to that land it become’s there’s that’s reality. Do you see Ukraine asking Russia for land back? Lol

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                                              • 29 October 12:23, by Khent

                                                ThaGoblin

                                                Crimea belongs to Russia; it was only transferred to Ukraine in 1954 by Nikita Khrushchev - a Ukrainian. Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians are basically the same people. This would not have transpired if the United States did not execute a coup and a colour revolution in Kiev.

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                                                • 29 October 12:32, by ThaGoblin

                                                  Proves my point it’s just land being transferred but Russia invaded with its power to claim it back. The stronger takes over

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                                                  • 29 October 14:12, by Khent

                                                    ThaGoblin

                                                    And we intend on being strong enough to reclaim all our territories in the near future. The SAF was only able to dislodge us from ’Heglig’ with the help of the Iranians, so I very much wish that Juba would establish military links with Israel and become significantly stronger than Khartoum.

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                                                    • 29 October 14:14, by Khent

                                                      Your military was removed from ’Heglig’ by a significantly smaller force, and you were pushed 50-60 km North of ’Heglig’ by a military without an air-force, without air defense, and without sufficient artillery assets, or sufficient numbers of AFVs... and you couldn’t dislodge them until the Iranians bombed the South Sudanese on your behalf...

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                                                      • 29 October 14:15, by Khent
                                                        • 29 October 14:17, by Khent

                                                          You had at least 15, 000 troops stationed in ’Heglig’ and you couldn’t repulse a force of only 5, 000 ill-equipped South Sudanese soldiers — soldiers that had virtually no training and had no air cover.

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                                                          • 29 October 14:18, by Khent

                                                            The SAF has maintained heavy forces in and around Abyei and the neighbouring oil areas. As many 15,000 troops are reportedly stationed in Heglig (Sudan: Breaking the Abyei Deadlock - International Crisis Group Africa, Briefing N°47 Nairobi/Brussels, 12 October 2007)

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                                                          • 29 October 23:41, by ThaGoblin

                                                            If so please explain how khartoum managed to hold on to juba all through the long civil wars without losing it once till independence. Deep inside enemy territory for decades

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                                                            • 30 October 00:09, by Khent

                                                              ThaGoblin

                                                              You maintained control of Juba by creating a large and effective tribal militia network. Khartoum armed, supplied and operated in conjunction with the local Equatorial Defence force, the Bari Popular Resistance Movement/Army and a multitude of tribal militia groups from the Toposa, Lotuka, Mundari, Didinga, Boya, Acholi and many others...

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                                                              • 30 October 00:18, by Khent

                                                                Those tribal militia groups were the only reason Khartoum was able to control Juba, and it nearly was not enough when Juba almost fell in 91 until we had to suspend the operation and re-direct forces outside Juba to stop Riek and his Khartoum supported and supplied Nuer forces...

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                                                                • 30 October 00:20, by Khent

                                                                  The Nuer were instrumental in your ability to control the oilfields in Greater Upper Nile. Khartoum also armed the ’Fertit’ - a name applied to more than a dozen different tribes in Western Bahr el Ghazal’s Raga county. These tribes included the Kresh, Yulu, Shat, Balanda, Feroghe, Buja, Kara and Banda. The Murle were also used against the Dinka...

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                                                                  • 30 October 00:22, by Khent

                                                                    ..This large anti-Dinka alliance was comprised of more than a quarter of a million fighters. Paulino Matip had 50, 000 troops and other Khartoum aligned Nuer Generals like Peter Gadet, Gabriel Gatwec Tanginy and Gordon Kong had tens of thousands of troops while the various other tribal militias in South Sudan had tens of thousands of fighters as well...

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                                                                    • 30 October 00:28, by Khent

                                                                      The SAF had around 100, 000 troops and the PDF had a further 70, 000. The Dinka were the target for all these groups in the South, so we did very well considering the challenges. The Dinka constituted 80% of our Movement and the rest were from the Nuba Mountains and Blue Nile. The SAF used the Darfurians for the bulk of its grunts, so I have little regard for Northerners in Khartoum and Omdurman.

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                                • 29 October 11:14, by ThaGoblin

                                  Doesn’t meet its domestic consumption because we actually consume lol. No worries we still have unexplored blocks as well inclung blocks in the red Sea. And don’t worry when you get your production back it means more transit fees for the north so we are winning anyway. If you decide to build a pipline that fine as well means billions of development money is going to project other then actual devel

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                                  • 29 October 11:25, by Khent

                                    TheGoblin

                                    South Sudan’s oil production will soon be restored to the extent that it will be large enough to meet domestic production in addition to exporting oil to the international market. This talk about Sudan’s supposedly large oil deposits in the Red Sea has been a point of discussion for decades.

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        • 29 October 09:21, by jubaone

          Khent,
          It’s inexplicable how 23 of the other jienge sections have not been able to mobilize themselves to liberate Abyei. Deploying thousands of nyors in Equatoria or Upper Nile to fight a senseless war when they could be better placed in Abyei suggests only one thing: search for easier targets. Worse, the jienges are perhaps anticipating help from other non-jienges which will not happen. Good luc

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          • 29 October 10:03, by Khent

            jubaone

            This is precisely what happens when you have ’leaders’ that are not fit to even run a small soup kitchen let alone a country. People have no trust in Salva Kiir and so will not be following him into any military adventure in Abyei. The vast majority of the Dinka do not include non-Dinkas in their estimations, so you really should stop with this fantasy.

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      • 29 October 16:22, by Sunday Junup

        Newsudan,
        Ahahah! Large portion of Nuer with STD will fight for you? Can you tell Khent this news, he was doubting when I told him Dinka are waiting for Nuer to fight in their behalf. If Dinka can fight then start it by now

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        • 29 October 17:36, by Nairobimitot

          Why don’t you Unite Dinka and Nuer so they can conquer the world?

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