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June 29, 2017 (JUBA) – The National Dialogue Committee Co-Chairman Angelo Beda, flanked by several senior officials, Wednesday arrived in South Africa to consult with the exiled former First Vice President turned rebel leader, Riek Machar.

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South Sudan’s rebel leader Riek Machar addresses a press conference in his private residence in Addis Ababa, Saturday, Feb. 13, 2016. (Photo AP/Mulugete Ayehe)

The delegation is yet to arrange how and when it will meet Machar in coordination with authorities of the host country.

Machar has been under solitary confinement since he left Sudan for South Africa. His departure was decided by the IGAD leader and backed by the American administration. However, South Sudanese officials say his accommodations are paid by Juba.

Officials in Juba, in the past months, said they do not want to involve the rebel leader personally in any negotiated settlement and suggested that he can designate any of his aides to represent him.

Beda told Sudan Tribune on Thursday that the delegation comprises himself, former Agriculture Minister Betty Achan Ogwaro, Rev. Mathiang, former Deputy Minister of Agriculture, Lily Albino Akol Akol, and former permanent representative to the United Nations Francis Mading Deng as well as several other officials

The delegation, he said, met President Kiir before they left the country.

“Our mission for coming here is not secret, we went to President Salva Kiir before we left and he approved. So we are here for one mission, to bring peace and stability to the country,” said Beda.

The co-chair went on to talk about the objectives of the visit and whether he and his team were to meet with Machar directly.

"We cannot afford to let the country go down the way it is before our own eyes. We have therefore taken it upon ourselves and with trust and confidence in Almighty God the Father, our mission will be successful".

He said they want to meet with Riek Machar and his groups to consult with them and to hear their views, adding they are preparing to do the same thing with other stakeholders.

The elder politician stressed that such political engagements, with various stakeholders, will help the committee gain first-hand perspectives and will go on to form the agenda of the National Dialogue.

The SPLM-IO leader has several times repeated they believe that the national dialogue cannot replace talks on the implementation of 2015 peace agreement.

Also, the Former Detainees faction point to the need to end the war and to agree on the implementation of the peace agreement, stressing all these measures can create a conducive environment for the national dialogue.

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  • 30 June 01:59, by lino

    Wow South Sudanese leaders! Were brought out of Arab confinement and now they confined themselves and their country. Good boys!!!

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    • 30 June 09:09, by Midit Mitot

      My message to Dr Machar,
      Please! let those agents/double dealers knell down and apology to you first before you have air-out your views on such a national dialogue . this is what I,am always telling Juba idiots commentators that, peace without Dr Machar is red-line.

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    • 30 June 09:52, by Adok Wolu

      Yes let them kneel down and apologize we fate up on their repeating idiottery ideology their day are counting almost to zero shame on them.
      Adok Wolu

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    • 30 June 14:36, by Philosopherking

      Kiir wastes public money to detain Riek in South Africa, and Machar pays nothing to detain Kiir in Juba....in other words, Kiir’s freedom is intertwined with Riek Machar’s. The sooner Kiir realises this, the quicker he will try to stop pretending they are implementing the Peace agreement with Taban Gai.

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  • 30 June 03:36, by jur_likang_a_ likan’g

    By grace of almighty GOD the implementation of ARCISS in full is the way genuine peace can be achieved in South Sudan. National dialogue as a platform for national reconciliation comes later if people can be sensible. Nothing less or greater than ARCISS can play that noble role.

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  • 30 June 03:46, by Theone

    People are starving and dying and these idiots losers spent money we don’t have to visit a bloodthirsty loser in South Africa

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    • 30 June 05:35, by Malakal county Simon

      Is you who begging, no body want your useless visit anyway....

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    • 30 June 06:58, by Eastern

      Did you just say bloodthirsty lose in South Africa? What’s the distance between where Dr. Machar and Juba? Why can’t you people side down and work with Dr. Machar since the he’s a bloodthirsty and loser.........?

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      • 30 June 16:44, by jubaone

        Eastern,
        Dr. Riak doesnt have to meet errand boys/girls or "murasileen". This doesnt accord him the respect he deserves. The Kiirminal must appear personally in S Africa and meet Dr. Riak. These lapdogs are simply "lokikolan", are messengers. No Need for ND. Accept ARCISS 2015 or death. Period. If I were Riak, just send back these errand boys/girls.

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    • 30 June 07:13, by Bilpam- 2

      Theone,How can a loser be consulted by a winner?Your unpatriotic comment shows your irresponsibility and stupidity.

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      • 30 June 09:23, by Midit Mitot

        Bilpam2,
        You are very right, THEONE has no clue on what,s going on in South Sudan politics,If Dr Machar will not cooperate with those committees, then such a dialogue will stuck as usual.

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    • 30 June 14:03, by Mr Point

      Why has the President since Independence not been able to provide peace, security and development?
      Why has he actually delivered war, insecurity and corruption?
      Why has he not been held accountable? Is it because his security find and intimidate all critics?

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    • 30 June 16:37, by jubaone

      Theone,

      Wiggle, dance and shake your b**t, arkab hina! Kindly make a dash to your uncle, the Kiirminal and tell him to stop sending his lapdogs to meet Riak. Funny, they tried with that old jienge sellout Alier and now Beda, so what? Kiir himself must go and beg to meet Riak, otherwise jienge BULLSHIT! Riak does not meet "murasileen" but the their boss.

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  • 30 June 03:46, by gatkhor Nueri

    It is good decision to consult Dr.Machar,Riak Machar is docile person,he don’t have any problem to anybody,even,if,you did wrong to him,he have a merciful heart to forgive you too.

    If you want South Sudan to be stable,you bring back Dr.Machar and there will be no more rebel in the country.

    In Equatoria a lone every tree in the forest is a rebel,
    Things rebel in S.Sudan even all trees in bush.

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    • 30 June 07:10, by Garang Akeen Tong

      Gatkhor nuer

      Your Machar should denounce violence and come back as a normal citizen, and he should be forgiven.

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      • 30 June 14:52, by gatkhor Nueri

        Dr.Machar he could never denounce the violence 100%.
        because he is not guilty,but what i know to all of you those who preaching the war in S.Sudan.
        you should die first before Dr.machar denounce the violence.

        and you those who don’t want South Sudan to return to peace again,GOD will punish your family wherever they are,or wherever you are,please believe 100%.

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  • 30 June 04:01, by Nairobimitot

    Riek Mach, Riek Machar, Riek Machar, Riek Machar, Riek Machar, Riek Machar, Riek Machar. This person destroys our land and economy. We need to Isolate him in South Africa.We are paying for his food, electricity and his toilet paper and yet he is still destroying our land.these primitive people in South Sudan who are supporting Riek Machar should go to school and study to become leaders in South Sudan

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    • 30 June 06:46, by Tilo

      Dear Nairobimitot

      If you cannot silence his boys to end the impunity the only option you have is to bring him on board. The way things are done in SS is of a personal hate towards some individual. To achieve peace bring in your Enemies. SS belongs to all S. Sudanese therefore everybody has right to participate in peace talk/ND.
      Wakeup guys - you need peace do the right thing
      Simple as that

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  • 30 June 04:03, by gatkhor Nueri

    I am not Truth the Government of kleptocracy of Juba anymore to bring back Dr.Machar.

    but remember this,in our country without Dr.Machar,while he is still a live,we will never see peace.

    God will punish us with Hungry and Diseases.
    unless we bring them back together with his people.

    Arab is better than Government of Salva Kiir,
    Because when Arab say peace,is only one peace not like Kiir.

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    • 30 June 08:19, by Garang Akeen Tong

      Gatkhor
      Have you admit that, if dr. Riak still alive, there wouldn,t peace?
      Have you admit that dr. Riak is problem to south sudanse people,
      It now came to your sense to speak the truth.

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      • 30 June 14:40, by gatkhor Nueri

        @garang

        What I mean if he still a live doesnot mean that is the killer but what I mean because
        Most of people they supporters him more

        by following:

        1.Equatoria as whole together will trees of forest they all rebel.

        2.Inside of juba even in the parliament most of them they support him.

        3.Jungle,Uppernile all of them,
        only those who need money they support Salva not because they love mr presid

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        • 30 June 21:01, by Garang Akeen Tong

          Hahaha gatnyere

          You re going to speak the truth now, you mean he is problem to peace, you said peace wouldn,t came when dr. Riak still alive, if so why gov,t bother to pay him accomandation, he should deserve to kill.

          And you nguendeng followers are belive that, dr. Riak should lead by force which is not acceptable.

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  • 30 June 04:13, by gatkhor Nueri

    @Nairobimitot

    In this country,if you say that you don’t want Riak machar or somebody else to come back,my friend you will die like a destitute person.

    you have right because you have more problem in your life

    1.you don’t know the bible.
    2.you are glutton,
    3.you are primitive
    4.you are incest child

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    • 30 June 04:38, by Nairobimitot

      Ghatkhor Nuer, Riek Machar has killed many people including your own family and my families members. He and her wife are collecting billions of dollars from all the primitive people around the world especially those ignorant and primitive people who work in meat companies in Australia, Europe, and Canada plus the money that he is being given to Riek Machar by the government of South Sudan. Riek Machar is not Jesus, so he is not the son of God. I want you to have a good life, and you need to save yourself from Riek Machar so that you can prepare yourself to become the next leader of South Sudan. Riek Machar is a killer and not the son of God or GunDeng. He is the Devil who has been sent to kill the people of South Sudan. Salva Kiir Mayar is not going to leave right now until you Riek Machar supporters realize that Unity and the lives of our people are more important than Riek Machar. Riek Machar Father Teny was an evil man whose has many Gods. All the gods that he had worship, there was no single God among them who believed in Jesus Christ or ever mentioned Jehova. Riek Machar is evil and very intelligent, and that is the reason you Riek Machar Supporters are too blind to see all the wrong things he is doing and has done. Save yourself from Riek Machar, and you will Save your nation and bring Unity to our country.

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      • 30 June 07:08, by Bilpam- 2

        Mr. Nairobimitot,or whatever you call yourself,Dr.Riek did not kill any one in this country.What he was trying to do is to demonstrate his democratic right as a citizen of the the country.If Dr.Riek is nothing in this country,why Salva Kiir fears to face him in election?

        Secondly,get rid of your illiteracy before coming to this social media.Who are you to criticize a dignify person like Dr.Riek?

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        • 30 June 07:51, by Garang Akeen Tong

          Bilpham 2

          Are you talks in sense? Are you okay?
          Dr. Riak have 1991 record of masscred thousands of Dinka bor, 2013 record of masscred in bor, akoba, ayot, baliet, nassir, malakal, bentiu, mayendit, guit, duar, panyijar, mayom, leer, koch, miirmir, nhialdiu, kaljak, wangkai etc, would you deny that? Are you not shame to says, dr. Riak didn,t kill anybody?

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          • 30 June 08:59, by Bilpam- 2

            Akeen,

            You fall short to enumerate the places where Salva Kiir killed innocent people somewhere in South Sudan.

            Tell me,otherwise you are too bias.

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      • 30 June 09:06, by Dengda

        @ Nairobimitot
        it clear that you don’t need Dr Riek Machar in South Sudan affairs, could you please help on this. For stability and peace to reign in South Sudan how we go about?. bear in mind Riek Machar is signatory of ACRSS and leader of larger portion of rebellion. How you going convinced his supporters to lay dow weapon, share ownership of all the process, such ND and implementation of ACRSS?

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  • 30 June 04:44, by Odingo

    South Sudan will never have peace without Dr. Riek Machar.
    Why go to South Africa now, when you are the one who put him under house. We told you that Gen. Taban Deng Gai and Ezikiel Lol Gatkuoth ,ll n bring peace in South Sudan rather to take another step to get of Kiir. The two dude are master mind of J1 incidence for leadership greedy. They are also the one who get rid of King paul Malong Awan.

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  • 30 June 05:06, by Sunday Junup

    Dr. Riak should stop providing those thugs with ideas. For how long will these criminal look for ideas from you and plan to kill you? Those people are not ashamed of begging the one they claim is not needs in SS politics. Now it is known to everyone that Kiir and his group nothing but fools with empty minded.

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    • 30 June 05:49, by gatkhor Nueri

      @Nairobimitot

      1.please can you mention one place where Dr.Riak Machar in S.Sudan addressing people or tribe to fight to others tribe?

      2.Have you seen him when people are fighting or someone die in all parts of S.Sudan?

      because now claiming Riak Machar is killer.
      you fearing because what you did 2013 up to now in s.sudan is totally wrong.
      now I am free even is coming to juba no dot to men

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  • 30 June 05:16, by Sunday Junup

    I Salvakiir Mayardit with a power bestowed on me blabla.. Appointed you to be co chairman of ND. Remember this ND will involved everyone except Riak Machar. I Angelo Beds co.chairman of ND hereby declear that ND will be run separate from Salva Kiir and requested Riak to denounced violence for him to participate in 2018 election. What happen now? Run, Run to Son of Ngundeng King of S.Sudanese

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    • 30 June 05:33, by Malakal county Simon

      Stop the useless war first because this bogus dialogue is nothing while the war of who will win still ranging in every corner of this nation!!

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  • 30 June 06:16, by Newsudan

    nonsense, talking with monster Gatmachar, 30 years house arrest will make some senses into him.

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    • 30 June 08:22, by Eastern

      Newsudan,

      Keep Dr. Machar out of South Sudan is akin to keeping peace out of the country. case closed!

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      • 30 June 15:46, by jubaone

        Eastern,
        Thanks for standing our "ground". This jienge ND is a ploy and CANT be a substitute for ARCISS 2015. Dialogue on what? We´re behind Riak cos he stands for devolved power-FEDERALISM a sort of KOKORA. We cant babysit jienges all our lives. We have urgent things to do than waste out energies and time fighting them. They have have no added value to us Equatorians, just "human buggage"

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      • 30 June 15:46, by jubaone

        Eastern,
        Thanks for standing our "ground". This jienge ND is a ploy and CANT be a substitute for ARCISS 2015. Dialogue on what? We´re behind Riak cos he stands for devolved power-FEDERALISM a sort of KOKORA. We cant babysit jienges all our lives. We have urgent things to do than waste out energies and time fighting them. They have have no added value to us Equatorians, just "human buggage"

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  • 30 June 07:06, by Eastern

    Because African leaders deride America yet they depend on it, Dr. Machar became the SACRIFICIAL LAMB with the hope of getting Sudan off the hook of santion. Ethiopia to continue getting, AU mission in Somalia to continue getting support, etc. Fools forgot that Dr. Machar is in confinement alone his followers are at large all over South Sudan fighting Kiir.....

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    • 30 June 15:52, by jubaone

      Eastern,
      All started as the US Ambassador to SS Mary Catherine Phee met the jienge chief criminal Ambrose Riny who rented his house in Juba na Bari (corrupted to jienge Thong Piny) to US marines in Juba. This intimacy later was to get John Kerry on board and thats how this evil plan was hatched. The last visit of John Kerry to EA Region saw a complete shift of US policy. He then incited our...

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      • 30 June 15:57, by jubaone

        submissive IGAD African leaders to isolate Riak. They willingly did it. Kerry wanted to tell our poor African leaders, look "f**k your African Solutions for African Problems" and wanted to suggest, that Africans without US were just hopeless like a luakjienge in a MIG fighter. The rest is history.

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  • 30 June 07:39, by Lenin Bull

    Why are the national dialogue committee members making the mistake of giving importance to this bloody criminal called Riek Machar by begging him to participate in national dialogue processes. He should be told point blank to stop his criminal behavior of commanding the war and killing from his hotel room in South Africa period. He wants peace talks negotiated over dead bodies of innocent troops.

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    • 30 June 07:48, by Eastern

      Lenin Bull,

      Take note that the ARCISS was not the usual dinka peace conferences that take place after communal clashes. Those dinka peace conferences are often broken immediately. The ARCISS was meant to be a superior agreement which Kiir mistakenly thought he would trash without serious consequencies. Now face the consequencies of acting on tribal advise....!

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      • 30 June 16:08, by jubaone

        Eastern,
        Jienges have no word for dialogue but for talk. They are notorióus, unruly and are indiscplined. They are impatient and often like short cuts. They´re savages, intolerant and vicious. Even University degrees they want them in 6 weeks, they want to be big officers without undergoing serious military training, they want to be benydits and bandits very fast without following procedures.

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    • 30 June 07:50, by Eastern

      If you think Kiir is ALWAYS RIGHT and others are ALWAYS WRONG, let these fellows traveling to South Africa to talk to a confined man return and just hope for peace...

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    • 30 June 11:17, by Kuch

      Lenin Bull,
      This is a lie, no one has gone to visit Riek Machar in South Africa. Mr. Lenin Bull Salva Kiir & his Co. made a terrible mistake. Riek Machar psychopath would have been shot in the head & wrapped up in a bag & tossed into the Nile. And forget about the evil like what the US marine seal team did to Osama Bin Laden a few years ago in Pakistan>>>

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      • 30 June 11:25, by Kuch

        And some of his online trolls would have zipped up & do other things. But unfortunately, Mr. Salva Kiir & his Co. cool way of always behind the curve is what will destroy our country. Fellows, some of us informed the government of South Sudan to not agree with the US & the UK with their insistent of renewing the then UNIMIS to UNIMISS after our independence in 2011>>>

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        • 30 June 11:33, by Kuch

          because there was no need for it. Because we knew, the UN so-called peacekeeping business is used by the US, the UK & France to occupy the third world countries with resources on the disguise & to plunder them. Case in point was an example of Eastern Congo. The US, the UK, France & it allies have never left Eastern Congo since 1960th>>>

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          • 30 June 11:45, by Kuch

            The US and Belgium killed a superior Congolese state man called Patrice Lumumba propped up their Mobuto Seseko who let them plunder Congo while at the same time talked their same down Mobuto Seseko that he was corrupt & foolish. Some South Sudanese well informed know this phrase *that Mobuto Seseko created Congo, that he created Congolese, that the Congolese are his children*>>>

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            • 30 June 11:52, by Kuch

              This phrase was formed by a European journalist after the same Europeans & American have plundered their Congo. Many of our Riek Machar’s online supporters want our country to be Eastern Congo & that is the evil corporate America, the UK, the UN, their sleazy NGOs, their evil juus & their criminals in between want to replicate in our country through their aimless armed rebellion>>>

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              • 30 June 11:58, by Kuch

                they want to make our country like Eastern Congo and then they can rape our country like they have done to Congo ever since. Many of Riek Machar fools are told time & time again, that their damn US, the UK, their UN, their sleazy NGOs, their evil juus & some of their allies are not our friends but our real enemies. Who are using their Riek Machar fool as their puppet/stooge & some of his Nuer>>>

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                • 30 June 12:14, by Kuch

                  And some Equatorian fools as their pawns/proxies to destabilize our country like they are even stilling doing now in Eastern Congo. Do Riek Machar idiots know the same so-called UN peacekeepers purported to be the ones to bring peace to Eastern Congo in 1960th before some of our parents were born are the same evils who have been creating mess after mess in Congo to Continue to plunder Congo>>>

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                  • 30 June 15:56, by Philosopherking

                    Herding cattle (decrees), governing people is about trust, negotiation, consensus, compromise, flexibility, fairness, transparency, accountability; who said a jieng chief could lead this country!

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                  • 30 June 16:32, by jubaone

                    Kuch,
                    Why dont you go and become the Kiirminals advisor? As a learned jienge, you could perhaps bring him to the path of wisdom and sanity. But if you´re that hopeless luakjienge, then he may turn and become your advisor. In the end, a jienge whether learned or not makes NO difference.

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      • 30 June 11:56, by Eastern

        Kuch,

        This is a wishful thinking and bankrutpcy of reasoning....Even if Dr. Machar was killed and his body incenerated and the ashes tossed into the Nile, it will be another mistake the Ameriacns are leaving with now. America after the killing of Osama Bin Laden is spending billions of US Dollars to fight a war it immersed itself in....Killing Dr. Machar won’t stop the opposition to Kiir...!

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    • 30 June 16:02, by jubaone

      Lenin Bull,
      Riak should just send this jienge lapdogs home. No jienge dialogue, on what? Jienge dont dialogue, they fight. Their brains are not robust enough to handle lengthy and ardous talks otherwise they break down and become emotional. Dialogue with learned people who have gone to school and have learnt to follow rules and NOT village idiots. Riak STOP this nonsense.

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      • 30 June 16:14, by jubaone

        What SS MUST undergo is complete destruction and disintegration of this jienge republic and each groups get back to their ancestral lands. We Equatorians are better off without these scoundrels. They have cost us so much unnecessary inconveniences. Do they give us any value addition, other than filling up our lands, marrying our girls and producing less intelligent minijienges and idiots?

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        • 30 June 16:26, by jubaone

          Is this perhaps the reason why our "pure Equatorian kids" are getting more stupid, foolish and aggressive cos they have freely mixed with these yal haram ta jienges? All our schools, our lands have been filled by worthless jienges who cant add value to us except want to destroy us like HIV/AIDS, how can we sit with them? NO. Either they defeat us completely or we crush them in Equatoria. Period

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  • 30 June 08:23, by Theone

    Riak Machar and his KHARTOUM friends are addicted to Hotels.

    Build a 5 star Hotel in Juba and I assure you he will sign the peace.

    That is what Riek and late John Garang have in common(hotels addiction)

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    • 30 June 08:46, by Sunday Junup

      Thoene,
      Call your foolish ND committee back from South Africa and go ahead with Taban. Why did they send only Angelo, i wish Abel Alier to be there in that begging team.

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      • 30 June 16:54, by jubaone

        Sunday Junup,
        Dr. Riak is too intelligent to meet simple arrand boys/girls. That is an insult and reducing his standing as a man of esteem and respect. NO. The Kiirminal MUST himself come to S Africa and "beg" and ask for an audience with Dr. Riak instead of sending his domestic lapdogs. Dr. Riak is president of IO, the Kiirminal is president of IG. President-to-President, NOT murasileen.

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    • 30 June 09:15, by Malakal county Simon

      Theone/slave

      Don’t just write anything based on frustrations without fact-finding, do your research about this God giving guy called Dr Machar. He is a very humble guy that’s you can’t find in Nuer-land, and the Dinkas/slaves are lucky to have Dr machar protected them from Nuer extremes....

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      • 30 June 10:42, by Dalta Cirea

        Nairobimitot. Are you really an educated as you claim, you said Dr, Rick Destroyed SS and contradicted yourself you confined him in South Africa, then why are you sending delegate to meet him. President Kirr approved the team to visit Machar and he is the same person approved for his accommodation in South Africa for his confinement and yet you said Dr, Rick is a Loser and destroyed the Land.

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  • 30 June 11:15, by Good Foe

    I like this Drama.
    I thought they have replaced him. What’s the reason of keeping Deng Gai ya jama? The guy who said, "Deng Gai has no constituency," is a great analyst! This gov’t knows everything but it just doesn’t have the will to bring peace.
    Why still look for Dr. Riek Machar when you have Deng Gai?
    Confine Deng in Logali and bring back Machar to Juba.
    Believe me; we’ll see peace.

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    • 30 June 14:22, by Philosopherking

      Taban joined Kiir, he is Kiir’s houseboy; he will do what ever Kiir says so long as he gets paid to pay his handful of supporters. Yes he know what to do, but he is afraid their lies will be exposed and that they will be held accountable! Their time is running out....

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  • 30 June 12:53, by Angelo Achuil

    I think the committee took a good step in the right direction - Kiir should gets some credit for this. Although it’s too early to predicts the outcome, this shows their impartiality so far and that for the National dialogue to succeed, this guy’s voice can NOT be ignored. Without this step, there won’t be a true "National Dialogue" at least in the eyes of the watching world.

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  • 30 June 14:19, by Philosopherking

    By consulting with Kiir before leaving for South Africa, the committe has unknowingly told us that they are tightly controlled by JCE chief, the good for nothing kiirminal!

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  • 30 June 15:22, by President

    I think the goverment come to sense that without Dr. Riek no peace in South Sudan. I am here appealing to you Dr Riek, explain to them our forward vision in order to bring the exact peace not the fake peace in the hand of Taban and Kiir.

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Amnesty calls to release Nubian activists detained over protest for cultural rights 2017-09-12 20:47:54 AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL PRESS RELEASE 12 September 2017 Egypt: Release 24 Nubian activists detained after protest calling for respect of their cultural rights Egyptian authorities should (...)

New group formed to gather Nuer in United States 2017-08-17 14:15:50 DECLARATION FOR THE FORMATION OF NUD TO BRING TOGETHER ALL NUER IN THE U.S.A Press Statement The Nuer Union For Development (NUD) The United State of America The State of Nebraska August 15, (...)

A prominent Sudan Women and Civil rights activist passed away 2017-08-14 21:09:47 The Strategic Initiative for Women in the Horn of Africa (SIHA) Khartoum, Sudan-August 14 2017 In the early hours of Saturday 12th August Fatima Ahmed Ibrahim, a renowned Sudanese leader of the (...)


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