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October 9, 2014 (JUBA) – The leader of the opposition Sudan People’s Liberation Movement for Democratic Change (SPLM-DC), Lam Akol has criticised the manner in which the House passed the country’s new security bill, saying it contravened its conduct of business regulations that allows lawmakers 72 hours to study any resolution tabled for final vote.

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SPLM-DC leader Lam Akol responds to questions at a news conference in South Sudan’s capital, Juba, on 3 October 2014 (ST)

SPLM-DC party members walked out of the assembly on Wednesday after the parliamentary speaker refused calls to adjourn the session.

“The official opposition in South Sudan parliament today (Wednesday) stormed out of the sitting debating the National Security Service bill. This followed the refusal of the speaker to allow time to study suggested amendments to the bill,” said Akol.

“The minority leader (Onyoti Adigo) had invoked the conduct of business regulations that stipulate those 72 hours should be allowed for studying any amendments tabled before the House. The speaker rejected the demand, causing the opposition members of parliament to walk out,” he added.

About 20 MPs representing Eastern, Central and Western Equatoria states also questioned the parliamentary proceedings before leaving the House.

Speaking to the press outside parliament, the group’s spokesperson accused the speaker of bulldozing the proceedings to push through the controversial bill.

The bill, described by rights groups and activists as repressive, gives the country’s National Security Service (NSS) sweeping powers to arrest suspects without a warrant, although a late amendment states that they must appear in court within 24 hours.

According to Akol, the boycott of parliamentary session occurred after the caucus of the governing Sudan People’s Liberation Movement (SPLM) loyal to president Salva Kiir Mayardit concluded a meeting before convening a session to deliberate the fate of the bill.

“It is now abundantly clear that the government wants to ram this repressive bill down the throats of South Sudanese,” Akol said.

Meanwhile, speaker Magok Rundial has categorically denied on that the House had contravened any of its guiding rules and regulations.

“The first stage is when the bill is introduced to the House. The second part is meant for the studying the bill. The third part is the final stage. The bill had gone through all these stages and they have been covered. So what happened yesterday is that members debated and agreed finally to pass it with some amendments,” Rundial told reporters on Thursday.

“The 72 hours which some members are citing had already been given and they have had the opportunity to read it. I don’t how long they want to study the bill,” he added.

The speaker said the bill was long overdue and the House had an obligation to pass the mandate as per its responsibilities to the protect of the country and its people.

Northern Bahr el Ghazal MP Agany Deng Kwac, who supported the motion on Wednesday, said that the bill was unanimously endorsed by those members who remained in the House.

“I think no-one from those who remained in the hall came out to oppose the decision-making mechanism, so it was unanimously endorsed unopposed,” said Kwac, noting that some observations had been made regarding the final contents of the bill.

Lawmakers in South Sudan have two options for decision-making mechanisms on legislative matters; the first by consensus and the other by secret vote, typicaly used as a last resort to break a deadlock.

Kwac said in this case a secret vote had been unnecessary, with remaining lawmakers agreeing to pass the bill unanimously.

The bill will now go to the president for final approval, who could return the resolution if he feels it does not reflect the will of the general population.

“What the parliament did was to make sure that the security does not continue to operate without a guiding document. You know it has been more than two years without [a] document and we did not want them to continue to operate from [a] vacuum like that,” said Kwac.

Kwac acknowledged that the UN and some western countries, name the US and UK, had expressed concerns over the bill, but said they had not made specific recommendations for what areas needed revision or change.

“They just expressed their concerns, but they never mentioned specific areas which they feel should have been revised,” he said.

“If their concerns were genuine they should [have] pointed out some areas, but they did not want to do [that], so we did not know what they wanted actually,” added the lawmaker.

Lawmakers last week cancelled a scheduled debate on a bill at the last minute on Thursday, and further delaying the adoption of the document.

The delay came after MPs had raised concerns over the powers granted to the NSS in the bill to arrest “any person suspected of committing a crime or about to commit” a crime, although the item was subsequently amended to read “suspects”.

Both Amnesty International and Human Rights watch (HRW) Human Rights have called for the bill to be overhauled, saying it goes against domestic and international laws.

Meanwhile, in a statement on Friday, the US state department by expressed concerns over elements contained in the bill, which it says seeks to regulate the operations of non-government and civil society organisations.

(ST)

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  • 10 October 2014 06:06, by Mi diit

    Pro-Nyankiir followers. You now ignorantly support this repressive security law but tomorrow we will use it to arrest, torture and search your asses when your head chief is out of power. A stick doesn’t recognize its owner. We will beat you damn hard using that stick (law) before we introduce a civilized law. You will reap what you sow you idiots.

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    • 10 October 2014 06:15, by Mi diit

      You should have learnt from Judge Majier who wrote that repressive SPLM manifesto in 1983 and became the victim of his own decisions. Also John Luk wrote that constitution and became the victim of his own making. Now your NSS repressive law will haunt you and you will regret it. You think you need it now to arrest Nuer and Equatorians, but tomorrow it will turn against you.

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      • 10 October 2014 06:18, by Mi diit

        You have shot yourself in the foot and showed your true colour. We are taking advantage of this evil law to lobby the White House here in Washington against you people. Every congressman we spoke to here has understood what truly you are. A dictatorial rogue regime to repressive the very people it pretended to have liberated in the past. What a hypocrisy!

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        • 10 October 2014 06:21, by Mi diit

          We will successfully equate primitive and radical Salva Kiir to Saddam Hussein of Iraq and Muammer Gaddafi of Lybia or Idi Amin of Uganda so that the world will give us green light to take power in Juba by force. US and others will soon come to this option like they did to Saddam Hussein. Soon your asses will be on fire and we will use this law temporarily to hunt you like rats in holes.

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          • 10 October 2014 06:27, by Mi diit

            We are getting prepared militarily more than ever before and your husbands (UPDF) helicopters will no longer be a threat plus their tanks who we will destroy very easily. Last time the US stopped us on Bor-Juba road not to enter Juba and take power by force, but this time is different. We will soon cut off your throat and watch you die deservedly.

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            • 10 October 2014 06:47, by Rommel

              Mi diit:

              No one takes your long-winded rants seriously. You’re constantly saying that you’re going to do this and you’re going to do that... and that you’ll achieve your objectives [wet dreams] at a specified time that always seems to pass without incident. You previously told us to mark your words that you would triumph by May 16. What happened?

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              • 10 October 2014 06:52, by Rommel

                Do you honestly believe that the United States is unaware of Riek’s extensive and well documented history of ghaulish human rights abuses? Do you think that they have not read reports from Amnesty International, detailing Riek’s responsibility for the deaths of close to 30, 000 civilians?

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                • 10 October 2014 06:54, by Rommel

                  The massacre was not the end of the tragedy in Bor, however. An estimated 100, 000 people fled the area following the attack, and after many of the villages had been burnt to the ground. According to Amnesty International, famine brought about by looting and the destruction of crops and livestock killed a further 25, 000 people, many of them children. ( South Sudan, Max Lovell-Hoare)

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                  • 10 October 2014 07:08, by Rommel

                    Your threats are similar to those issued by Islamist groups... they tend to be lofty and untenable. Your diplomatic efforts have been pitiful. Salva has become a dictator and has committed human rights violations, but to ’successfully’ equate Salva with Saddam Hussein without bringing up Rieks responsibility for massacres will be impossible.

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              • 10 October 2014 06:53, by Mi diit

                Rommel,

                Calm down. Sorry if I disappointed you in the past. But this time is for real and I mean for real. So be patient until it soon comes to pass. We now know it is war and we are prepared more than ever before. Soon I will not disappoint you again. Salva Kiir is dead soul already. Trust me!

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                • 10 October 2014 06:56, by Mi diit

                  Riek admitted that the killing of civilians in 1990s was done by the armed Nuer civilians under his jurisdiction. But that didn’t mean he ordered to kill civilians. Your SPLA used civilians as human shield that time which was a crime. But US knows Dr. Riek is more visionary than any of you, the best choice for good governance. Stop your hatred.

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                  • 10 October 2014 06:59, by Mi diit

                    But you sound foolish and irrelevant to focus your energy to address what happened more than 20 years ago instead of addressing what is causing pain now. I know you are an evil person who can even do worse than Kiir if given power to rule the country. So don’t pretend to be an angel. Just address the issues at hand instead blah, blah, 20 years. You are irrelevant tribal confused thug.

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                    • 10 October 2014 07:14, by Rommel

                      Mi diit:

                      You didn’t ’disappoint’ me, I don’t expect truth from a liar. You seem to expect me to believe that you lied before and that I should shelve my disappoint to the side and believe what you say now. Isn’t that what all liars say? ’I lied before, but please, please believe me now’. Your words are worthless.

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                      • 10 October 2014 07:19, by Rommel

                        There is absolutely no evidence that the SPLA used civilians as human shields. Civilians were purposely targeted by Riek and this is precisely what every historian affirms.

                        You seem to want to believe that the fighting went out of hand and that Riek had no control over what happened. That is yet another pathetic lie.

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                        • 10 October 2014 07:20, by Rommel

                          "The atrocities committed are things [the Dinka] asked for”, he said. He claimed he had dictated what happened: “Fighting at Bor did not get out of control. I was in total control of how far the troops went. “(Me Against My Brother: At War in Somalia, Sudan and Rwanda, Scott Peterson

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                          • 10 October 2014 07:22, by Rommel

                            This is what Riek said to a journalist-historian in the wake of the 1991 split:

                            He discounted tribalism as “from a different age”, though boasted that he has “not seen a Nuer who doesn’t support me.” In the same breath, he added, “if there is a tribal element, the Nuer would destroy all the Dinka.” (Me Against My Brother: At War in Somalia, Sudan and Rwanda, Scott Peterson)

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                            • 10 October 2014 07:22, by Rommel

                              How can anyone possibly support a man so disturbed and so delusional that he would so sickeningly boast that his tribe could wipe out an entire tribe!? It seems that people are ignorant of Riek’s terrible human rights violations, his caustic tribal rhetoric and his history of failures.

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                              • 10 October 2014 07:24, by Rommel

                                Is this the same man that claims that he can unite the people of South Sudan!? How!? How will reconciliation be possible under him when he is guilty of having murdered -directly and indirectly- 30, 000 civilians!? He is a deceptive, mass murdering chauvinist. He has no genuine regard for democracy or equality. He has killed tens of thousands of civilians. He is tainted. He has no credibility.

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                                • 10 October 2014 07:29, by Rommel

                                  You don’t seem to realise that it doesn’t matter that 20 years has passed since Riek murdered close to 30, 000 civilians. Time does not absolve you of crimes committed. If you commit murder, you are a murderer for life. Why do you think that Israel and Jewish groups all over the world hunt, track down and arrest Nazi war criminals many decades after the crimes?

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                                  • 10 October 2014 13:35, by Mi diit

                                    Rommel,

                                    How dare a tribal chauvinist lunatic like you compare your uncivilized deeds to that of Israel versus Nazi? Israel is a nation of great leaders not like you guys who depend on drunk leaders and lies. Riek has been with you, but Nazi has not been in government with Israel. Don’t depend on quoted lies by your hired historians or pay pens. Riek did not say those. You paid them to lie for you

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                                    • 10 October 2014 13:40, by Mi diit

                                      You think I don’t know what you are after. You are one of opportunists in the so-called third bloc who want to equally equate Riek with visionless Kiir so that you steal the leadership without the two. I promise you that it will NEVER happen. You better join in addressing the root causes instead of dwelling the past to avoid the present and future. Riek will change this country for you idiot..

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                                    • 10 October 2014 13:41, by Rommel

                                      Mi diit:

                                      Oh this is absolutely hilarious. You seem to desperately want to believe that every historian that has ever written on Sudan’s history, specifically with regards to what has transpired in South Sudan, is deceitful, has been ’hired’ and payed off. Isn’t that your usual defence mechanism every time you are exposed for being an ignorant liar?

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                                      • 10 October 2014 13:42, by Rommel

                                        ..Your little conspiracy theories are truly laughable. Your rant has been rendered little more than pointless and frustrated displays of sour-grapes. Why don’t you tell the truth for once? Tell us that you won’t be happy until impartial historians proclaim [like you do] that a man that lived a century ago [Ngundeng], foresaw in detail events that would take place in South Sudan up to this point.

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                                        • 10 October 2014 13:43, by Rommel

                                          .. And that Ngudeng prophesied that Riek would be the leader of South Sudan - a ’leader’ that would set it right. I suspect that to be the case, and so I think you will be waiting for a long, long, long time. You lie all the time and when I ask you for evidence, you’re either silent or lash out like a child. You’re pathetic.

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                                          • 10 October 2014 13:47, by Rommel

                                            Your new mantra must be "look like the innocent flower, but be the serpent underneath". I remember when you very much resembled the Jihadist; you were just as fanatical, just as irreverent, just as monomaniacal and would just as quickly issue obscene threats and ’prophecies’ against other tribes. Would the real Mi diit please stand up?

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                                          • 10 October 2014 13:48, by Rommel

                                            Your new mantra must be "look like the innocent flower, but be the serpent underneath". I remember when you very much resembled the Jihadist; you were just as fanatical, just as irreverent, just as monomaniacal and would just as quickly issue obscene threats and ’prophecies’ against other tribes. Would the real Mi diit please stand up?

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                                            • 10 October 2014 13:49, by Rommel

                                              Unlike you, I don’t believe that anyone has been prophesied by a tribal ’prophet’ to lead this country. I don’t believe that this ’prophet’ can curse sections of of other tribes with unseemly physical traits [like bad teeth]; and I don’t believe that "It will be the Murle and Bor to reap the ugly sour grape when the dust has settled sometime very near."

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    • 10 October 2014 06:23, by Bentiu Sudan

      Magok Rudial,

      Stupid black ass. You still do not learn from John Luk, Taban Deng, Gatduel Nyakuai, and James Hoth who had been use terribly by Kiir against their own Nuer people. After these idiots destroyed their relationship with their Nuer people, then Salva Kiir fired their ass from the government all of them.

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    • 10 October 2014 06:38, by Chol A.

      Sorry mr heartbreaker you already lost hope of defeated Kiir government. Now what ground are you going to use this law against this nation? Please passing this bill will displaint laws breaker, those who addict to ngatism like you, bias groups working with government and thesame time against its. So whoever opposed to NSS bill can either join you or remain loyal to Kiir’s system of government.

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      • 10 October 2014 06:43, by Mi diit

        Chol A.

        Did I read your comment saying we have lost the war? Ahahahahaaa...Oh my stupid cousin, it is now clear that you have never been to war, but a coward homo drinking bear with Ugandan homo prostitutes without knowing what is really happening. Do your intelligence work and I assure you after doing it you will shake with fear of unknown. We are coming to your door steps soooooooooon!

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        • 10 October 2014 07:33, by Chol A.

          @Midiit i cannot be nervous or worried of you nonsense threaten comments. Please asked your brothers and cousins who are now in the field who is in whose it’s door? If you assumed that you come to my door that will be the time you will see me walking with your illusion prophet Ngundeng. Iam sure we now walking in your door at Malakal, Nasir, Beatiu and Ayod and many more if that door you mean.

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        • 10 October 2014 07:44, by Rommel

          Mi diit:

          Stop issuing these ridiculous threats on the internet and buy a ticket and take part in the war that you so apparently believe in. We’ll do this and we’ll do that. Oh shut up. Compared to you, the Arabs were smarter, stronger and far better furnished with formidable weapons, and even after we lost a 100, 000 people in 1998, we kept fighting.

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  • 10 October 2014 06:40, by George Bol

    Midit and Bentiu,
    I have told you not to step on President Salva kiir and his associates, but you refuse to listen to my advise. Good you saw that in your own eyes.

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    • 10 October 2014 06:48, by Mi diit

      Poor Nyankiir Museveni started the war, well prepared but failed to arrest Dr. Riek right near his house in Juba. Kiir was saved by Nuer generals like HOth Mai and then came her husband Museveni with UPDF. And yet they have failed to crash Dr. Riek. Is this what you are proud of? Well, we are now preparing since we know it is a war now. Soon you will see what a true war is? Juba will be ours soon.

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      • 10 October 2014 06:50, by Mi diit

        We will soon launch the war in three fronts: militarily, economically and diplomatically and see if you will survive it. To me I know you will never survive it. You will cry many sorts of cries I can assure you this.

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        • 10 October 2014 07:48, by Rommel

          Mi diit:

          You are beyond delusional. James Hoth Mai didn’t somehow single handedly save Kiir’s regime. There are many battle hardened Generals that were involved in salvaging the situation in Juba. You just like to make things up in order to stroke your pathetic ego.

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          • 10 October 2014 07:59, by Rommel

            ’Soon’ seems to be a word that you favor greatly. You will soon do this and you will soon do that. Keep on talking about what you’re going to do, but words in the absence of action are beyond worthless. You’re pathetic. If Salva is Nyankiir Museveni, then Riek is Nyanriek Omal Al Bashir. Two can play at this game.

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            • 10 October 2014 09:49, by chuol

              sstupid Rommel

              Avoid your childish activities in this forum ya son of woman.
              you are only expert in eavesdropping others. kindly joint me in the bush now if you are a man. i don’t buy your fake comments idiot. i Will unfriend you on my Facebook friends list.

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              • 10 October 2014 13:38, by Rommel

                chuol:

                Oh please don’t ’unfriend’ me on facebook. LOL! I don’t even have a Facebook account, you dolt. Don’t have children. Stupid people shouldn’t reproduce.

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  • 10 October 2014 06:54, by marie

    Arabs have gone and a second Arabs have come to South Sudan. The same bills Arabs used to torture us since 1983 and now their cousins want to torture us. It is time Equatoria drop this idea of federalism and lobby for independence. We have the land, people and water, what do we want from those who do not share our values. It is time to wake up before it is too late.

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    • 10 October 2014 07:05, by Mi diit

      Marrie,

      Before you rush to ask for independence I thought you people should do a first step by mobilizing your youth in thousands to start liberating your lands of EES, WES and CES and try federalism without Kiir. Then if it doesn’t work then you can upgrade it to self-determination. But I don’t see Equatorians taking up arms against Kiir in their lands. How will you achieve independence alone?

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      • 10 October 2014 07:26, by George Bol

        Midit, Kim Deng, Wang, etc,
        You don’t have to cry yet, things are still not in worst stage. Why do you statge a coup and cry at the same time?

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  • 10 October 2014 08:01, by Padiet Deng Alony

    why fifth column scared when they heard that

    to arrest “any person suspected of committing a crime or about to commit” a crime, do you guys want to commite crime without being arrested. the law is law when you too be arrested regardless of your position. whom do you expect to be arrested, even those who support this law will be arrested when they commite crime and they accepted it.

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    • 10 October 2014 08:05, by Padiet Deng Alony

      no country without law or you guys want this country to be lawless country. no more chance for fifth column. Bravo to those brave mps who accept this country to be a country with law.

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      • 10 October 2014 13:49, by Mi diit

        Rommel,

        It always takes a Nuer or foreigner to save you idiots from the Nuer. British saved you and now Uganda saved you. Gen. Hoth Mai was the chief of staff who saved you. All those generals including Nuer generals were under his command. What if he told the army get rid of Kiir? You are a heartless coward who does not recognize your savior. Your own community has no great fighters, but looters

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        • 10 October 2014 13:52, by Rommel

          Mi diit:

          Typical mindless Nuer nonsense. The Dinka as a whole didn’t consort with the British so as to establish an alliance. Only one Dinka section [Duk] worked with the British after they came under attack from the combined force (s) of multiple Nuer sections. By contrast, how many Nuer sections joined Khartoum? Virtually all of you joined with the Arabs.

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          • 10 October 2014 13:52, by Rommel

            James Hoth Mai didn’t somehow single handedly save Kiir’s regime. There are many battle hardened Generals that were involved in salvaging the situation in Juba. You just like to make things up in order to stroke your pathetic ego. Look how much more effective Paul Malong Awan has been as Chief of Staff. Is he a Nuer?

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            • 10 October 2014 13:55, by Rommel

              Are you really going to pretend that your people did not establish and nurture military alliances with Khartoum during the war!? Do you recall the decades in which you defended oilfields on behalf of the Arab oligarchy... like dogs!?

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              • 10 October 2014 13:58, by Rommel

                Were the Ugandans present when we routed you from our lands in the counterattacks of 1991? Is Kuol Manyang Ugandan? Or do you suppose that he was Ugandan when Dinka soldiers under his command defeated Riek’s troops in a large battle at Gut-Makur, a village just outside Mongalla during the war when you and your Arab masters allied together against the Dinka.

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                • 10 October 2014 14:00, by Rommel

                  Riek’s forces were then defeated at Wuor Baar. Our forces then entered Dinka territory at Gem, defeated all opposing forces in Nuer territory at Kuac Deng. Riek’s forces experienced defeat after being pursued, hounded and cut down as far as Uror, Akobo, Nyirol, Yuai and Ayod. What Nuer or foreigner saved us in that situation? Keep on dreaming, you pathetic Arab slave.

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              • 10 October 2014 14:00, by Mi diit

                Rommel,

                We are now writing a book entitled, "How Salva Kiir Survived His Attempted Suicide." We will narrate all the Nuer, Uganda, Darfur, SPLA-N, etc who saved his long beard. Now you cry that we sided with Khartoum while you sell the country to Uganda, giving it oil money. It was better giving it to Bashir because he was our leader all. Your Dinkas were his deputies in Khartoum eating the oil.

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                • 10 October 2014 14:08, by Mi diit

                  In all those battles you were using non-Dinka soldiers like those of Nuba Mountains, Blue Nile, Nuer of Hoth Mai and Kong Nyuon, other 62 tribes in the SPLA who were on your side. These the ones who fought the battles against the other half of Nuer. The Dinka had never singlehandedly fought any battle and win it against Nuer. NEVER!

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                  • 10 October 2014 14:11, by Mi diit

                    Let your historians remind you that if all the other 62 tribes stay neutral even in the army, and all the Nuer go on one side and all the Dinka go on one side and becomes purely Nuer versus Dinka, I can assure you that the historians can write another book called "Nuer Conguest" of Dinka lands. You always need allies including Nuer in order to face the other Nuer. You idiot coward pretenders.

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                • 10 October 2014 14:12, by Rommel

                  Mi diit:

                  ’Write’ your books and tell your lies, no one gives a damn. You are slaves of Khartoum and so I don’t care enough to ’cry’ about it. My people survived impossible odds against your masters in the form of the SAF, PDF and Murahaleen Baggara Arabs. Ps: Bashir was your ’leader’, not ours.

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                  • 10 October 2014 14:15, by Rommel

                    You keep on rehashing the same old lies to make yourself feel good. I don’t know what 63 tribes you are trying to evoke here. Were the Murle on our side? Were the half a dozen tribes that make up the Fertit tribes on our side? Were the Didinga on our side? What about the Toposa? Perhaps the Lotuka? Stop making excuses...

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                    • 10 October 2014 14:16, by Rommel

                      The contribution of the Nuer after the split in 1991 was derisory that it’s hardly even worth mentioning. Even the smallest Dinka sections contributed more than your entire tribe. The Nuba and the people of Blue Nile were our allies... but you had the Baggara Arabs as your allies, so why complain?

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                      • 10 October 2014 14:19, by Rommel

                        The Equatorian defence force [under Martin Kenyi] were allied with Riek. Alfred Lado Gore was in charge of another Equatorian militia group that was allied to Riek. Do you know the name of this militia group? It was called the Popular Resistance Movement/Army. These Equatorian militia groups were part of the SSDF alliance. You had more allies during the war and you still lost.

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                  • 10 October 2014 14:19, by Mi diit

                    Rommel,

                    Stop your pathetic lies. Your Dinka leaders who were vice presidents to BAshir such as George Konger, Moses Machar were part of the war against you. They masterminded it. Not Nuer. The Nuer were defending themselves from you idiots. Now you are dogs of Ugandans. We allied with Khartoum because Sudan was still one. Now you sell South Sudan sovereignty to Uganda. Shame on you idiots...

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                    • 10 October 2014 14:23, by Mi diit

                      Even if you subtract those 4 tribes they were not with us either. They had their own separate grudges against your all-time idiocy. Yet, you still have nearly 6o tribes supporting your cowardice, plus Nuba and Blue Nile. Now with your recent panic you brought in Ugandan army, something only idiots can do. You have made South Sudan a laughing stalk. Shame on you always...

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                      • 10 October 2014 14:31, by Mi diit

                        You have been hiding behind others and yet pretend to be the ones fighting. Do you know that we killed hundreds of Ugandans on Juba-Bor road? Do you know that hundreds of Equatorians lost their lives defending your dictatorial leadership yet you mistreat them in Juba, etc. Do you know how many Nuer we killed on your side? Darfur rebels, SPLA-N, etc, etc. Coward idiot!

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                    • 10 October 2014 14:27, by Rommel

                      Mi diit:

                      "Lies"? What "lies"? You mean the so called "lies" that have the backing of historians? Taban Deng was responsible for organizing relations between Riek and his masters in Khartoum. Taban Deng was responsible for the flow of weapons, ammunition and supplies from Khartoum during the war. No Dinka "leader" has ever done anything like that.

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                      • 10 October 2014 14:33, by Mi diit

                        What were the roles of Bashir’s vice presidents, idiot? George Kongor and Moses Machar were part of the policy to fight the war. Yes, even if Taban did the coordination, what were your Dinka leaders saying to Bashir? You are a poor debater.

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                        • 10 October 2014 14:36, by Mi diit

                          Do you know that Bashir as you call him criminal had four Dinka vice presidents in his lifetime? George Konger, Moses Machar, John Garang and Salva Kiir. Non was Nuer. We did an alliance with him during the war because any how we were the same system, same leadership. But you have now gone to Uganda, a totally different country that never had common identity with us and you are proud of it idiots.

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                      • 10 October 2014 14:39, by Rommel

                        The Equatorian defence force and the Popular Resistance Movement/Army were supported by the people of Equatoria as a whole, not just some of its tribes. We didn’t have allies in the South. The only allies we had were the Nuba and the people of Blue Nile. You had Khartoum and the various Baggara Arab tribes as your allies. The Misseriya and the Rizeigat were allies of Matip.

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                        • 10 October 2014 14:45, by Rommel

                          The fact that the traitors that you mentioned were Dinka has absolutely no bearing on the Dinka community, as they were not provided with material or personnel from the Dinka tribe. Did these men have tens of thousands of Dinka militiamen that were compliant to Khartoum like the Nuer? Of course not.

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                          • 10 October 2014 14:49, by Rommel

                            Dinka politicians joined Riek but they had no armies of their own. There’s absolutely no evidence of a Dinka militia that worked with Khartoum during the war. Every community has its share of traitors and opportunists, but the Dinka *individuals* that you mentioned did have our support. We don’t regard Moses Machar and George Kongor as heroes, however, you regard every Nuer traitor as a hero.

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                        • 10 October 2014 14:48, by Mi diit

                          Rommel,

                          You pathetic liar. When did the Baggara and Messeirya allied with Matip? They had their own border problems with you people. Equatoria Defence force was just a name without many soldiers. 95% of Equatorians and their generals we knew were with you. 40% of Nuer were with you. All the other tribes with you. You were under their cover, cowards.

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                          • 10 October 2014 14:51, by Mi diit

                            The Dinka traitor vice presidents with Bashir helped in designing the scorched earth policy that even sold Dinka kids to Jalaba. Yes, the Dinka were cowards to fight but they as vice presidents supported the mobilization of messeirya, Baggara and even the SAF forces with heavy weapons to kill you people. It is like what our traitors Magok Rundial and Riek Gai are doing against Nuer. It is harmful.

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                            • 10 October 2014 14:56, by Mi diit

                              You prove to be lunatic if you refer to them as mere individuals. They were leaders and their decisions had great BEARING and effect on your poor populations in Bahr el Ghazal and Bor. Don’t think shooting a gun is the only means to kill. Their decisions killed you, ya Mr whatever.

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                          • 10 October 2014 14:54, by Rommel

                            Mi diit:

                            Where do you get your ridiculous percentages from, you idiot? You remind me of a particular quote from Andrew Lang. You use statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination. Was Matip not a Major-General in the Sudanese army? He was, wasn’t he? The PDF fought alongside the SAF. The PDF and the Murhaleen were sourced from the Baggara Arabs.

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                            • 10 October 2014 14:59, by Mi diit

                              I was referring to your lies that Equatorians were with Equatoria defence force. That is a lie. Mobote Mamor, Wani Igga, Thomas Cirino will tell you that you are a liar. Don’t deny their support to you cowards during the war with majority of their Equatorians. Never mind about the estimated percentage if that is the only point you wanted to score, idiot.

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                              • 10 October 2014 15:03, by Mi diit

                                You shielded yourselves with fighters from 60+ tribes, Nuba, Blue Nile and even some Nuers. You always needed allies either internally or externally in order to face the Nuer. You can never face the Nuer squarely and win it. It would be a suicide and you know it. The Nuer in 1990s also frustrated Khartoum’s plan to wipe you out. We didn’t fight you wholeheartedly. We just wanted to show a defense.

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                            • 10 October 2014 15:01, by Rommel

                              The Dinka were not ’cowards’ for not joining Khartoum’s war, you idiot. They would have been cowards if they did in fact join Khartoum the way you did. It was easier to be on the side that had fighter jets, bombers, rocket artillery and helicopter gunships. We lost over a 100, 000 people in 1998 and we kept on fighting and so Khartoum compliant cowards like you should keep your mouths shut.

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                              • 10 October 2014 15:06, by Mi diit

                                You ridiculous coward you now come up with imaginary figure of 100,000 killed in 1998. Where did you get that figure and yet you criticized me for estimated a percentage. You forgot it, right? Well, your war was poor. You never captured, Juba, Malakal or even Wau your BG capital. War was still in Torit when CPA came, you idiot.

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                                • 10 October 2014 15:08, by Mi diit

                                  Is this why you have now desperately sold South Sudan sovereignty to Uganda and brought UPDF foreign army with jet fighters, bombers, artilleries and helicopter gunships and you call yourself an independent government. What a shame.

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                                  • 10 October 2014 15:25, by Rommel

                                    Mi diit:

                                    We fought for decades without these things while you had them on your side all that time. I can’t believe that you people wish to complain about only three [3] to four [4] thousand Ugandan soldiers when Khartoum deployed its entire army against us during the civil war. I want Salva to go. I want the Ugandans to go. We didn’t need them before.

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                                • 10 October 2014 15:13, by Rommel

                                  Mi diit:

                                  We did lose a 100, 000 people in 1998. Do you want evidence? I’ll gladly provide you with evidence. I hope the provision of a source will dispel any mean-spirited notion that I’m just making it all up — and so here’s the source: http://www.globalpolitics.net/essays/Tom_Rhodes.pdf

                                  That’s the essential difference between you and I. I provide evidence for my claims.

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                              • 10 October 2014 15:06, by Rommel

                                The vast majority of the Equatorians were not on our side, you mentally challenged, incorrigible child. You seem to think that by mentioning individuals that were with us that you’ve somehow made a point. These individuals were not tethered to large Equatorian battalions. We didn’t have Equatorian dominated battalions. You had entire Equatorian militias with you.

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                                • 10 October 2014 15:11, by Mi diit

                                  So you are seriously denying Equatorians participation during the war. This is typical of a Dinka really. I don’t want to waste my precious time with you idiot. You called those Equatorian generals like Mobote, Thomas Cirino and even Wani Igga as individuals who had no soldiers in SPLA. What an idiot like you. You are wasting my time, idiot...

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                                  • 10 October 2014 15:16, by Rommel

                                    Mi diit:

                                    Oh, so I’m wasting your time, am I? From what exactly? Did I take you away from translating Ngundeng’s ’prophetic’ songs? The time of an idiot cannot be wasted, only enhanced.

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                                    • 10 October 2014 15:21, by Rommel

                                      I don’t see how you [slaves of Khartoum] ’frustrated’ Khartoum’s efforts during the war. You’re just making it as you go along. It’s funny how you were apparently not fighting wholeheartedly when you were defeated in your lands. Why didn’t your ’defence’ hold up if that’s all you wanted to do. You are beyond delusional. We had no allies in the South. Keep on rehashing the same old lies.

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