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June 4, 2013 (JUBA) – Federalism is the best system of governance for South Sudan, said the country’s vice-president, Riek Machar, who further advocated for creation of more states in the country.

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South Sudan’s vice-president, Riek Machar (Reuters)

Currently the 21-month old nation has inherited 10 states from the former Sudan which are based on a decentralized system of governance; a shadow of federalism, but which has fallen short of implementing the governing system the region demanded since 1948 from colonial and successive regimes of the former Sudan.

Federal system, unlike mere decentralisation, is a constitutional arrangement in which the sovereignty of the nation is divided between the national and state governments and provides for a stronger degree of autonomy to various levels of government including fiscal, administrative and political aspects of governance.

The current decentralised system in South Sudan, to a certain degree, has focused on political autonomy ignoring the administrative and fiscal aspects that are addressed in a federal arrangement.

Machar in various public occasions this week said an empowered federal system would provide autonomous powers and encourage the sense of accountability in the various levels of government, adding it would also help remove the fears of marginalization and promote nationalism and unity among the 65 diverse tribes of South Sudan.

He also said the principle of taking towns to the people by the ruling party, SPLM, can be realized through creation of more administrative units.

The 10 states were established in 1993 by the current regime in Khartoum under president Omer Hassan Al-Bashir, but Machar said it would be necessary to create more states and counties for better service delivery.

The country’s Vice President, also deputy chairman of the ruling SPLM, further suggested it would be possible to transform the former 22 old districts, established under the British colonial administration, into new states to serve the purpose.

South Sudan with the territory equivalent to the size of Uganda, Kenya and Tanzania combined, the region’s 10 states currently have 79 counties (districts) in total but Machar advocated that these should be increased to over 170.

Advocating for urbanisation of the rural populations, he added that a better way to achieve this is by creating more administrative units and assemble populations in such new centres or towns closer to the people, in order to provide them with basic services and road connectivity.

By so doing he said this would also provide space for the government to establish ranch-lands and dairy farms for the region’s 31 million cattle as well as gazette sufficient lands for huge agricultural schemes in the rural setup.

Federalism also provides the spirit of healthy competitions between states and encourages proper management of states’ respective resources including development of human resources.

As a federalist, the vice-president believes that the proliferation of decision-making units at state and local levels can strengthen public policy-making and encourage creative solutions to tough challenges.

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  • 6 June 2013 06:43, by Michael Angelo

    We didn’t fight for the Federalism. Federalism will not work in South Sudan.

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    • 6 June 2013 07:04, by Eastern

      Neither did you fight for separation; you indeed fought for united Sudan, which idea is now dead and buried with Dr. Garang. Michael Angelo (RIP), continue painting better artwork. Long live Federalism! Long live Riak Macher!

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      • 6 June 2013 07:28, by LL Reuben

        Eastern,
        You’ll continue bleeding inside until you succums to your wounds. Garang brought you the initial freedom of which is enabling you now to ask for "federalism". Dinka don’t hate Riek because of who he is - Riek has killed more Nuer then Dinkas and Equotorians combined. The difference is that the Nuer seems to careless about the past. Federalism won’t work in this stage of RSS...

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        • 6 June 2013 07:36, by LL Reuben

          perhaps true federalism could be realized in the next few decades. Unless people don’t understand the espects of federalism, it is not the best system at this point in time. Jealousy and envious are driving you people erratically to the point of saying things in frustration mode.

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          • 6 June 2013 08:37, by Mi diit

            LL Reuben,
            Why is federalism not good at this time. Explain it, don’t just throw words like Kiir without knowing their meanings. Convince me why not??? Is time for looting in Juba not over yet in your camp? We want strong autonomous states, and avoid the situation of Lakes where Kiir fired elected governors and appointed army generals, ignoring the constitution. This is called a lawless state.

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            • 6 June 2013 09:20, by LL Reuben

              Mi diit,
              You sound like an infant. With high illiteracy in RSS federalism could easily turn fatal due to misinterpretation by folks who won’t be able to understand the correlation of powers between the federal government and states government and even municipal government if it reaches that extend. Calm down, this is not an idea from any particular individual, this is partial of democracy. The d

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              • 6 June 2013 09:22, by LL Reuben

                The debate is and will always be whether a volatile, explosive and an unstable state like RSS could be rule under the setting of an ideal federalism...And which form of it of the known existing ones are you people longing for ?A federal system varies from country to country, which of the existing ones do you want RSS to be rule under. Is it the one the Germany has Canada, USA, Australia,...

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                • 6 June 2013 09:25, by LL Reuben

                  or Great Britain, - which of these federal states do you want RSS to resemble. See this is not a roll of a dice, it isn’t lullaby, and obviously somebody isn’t going to win an election because he lip-syncs the tune of federalism. You want federalism, you better be able to lay it out clearly for us concisely crafted in convincing manner so we are confident that it will works. That’s what I care...

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                  • 6 June 2013 09:27, by LL Reuben

                    the most. Riek himself is clueless of what kind of federalism would fit for RSS and when is the right time for an ideal federalism. He is grossly manipulating the voices of those who feel disenfranchised for one reason or the other. He thinks he can illuminate himself for 2015 election – good luck to you and him.

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                    • 6 June 2013 10:06, by Mi diit

                      LL Reuben,
                      So you think Dr. Machar doesn’t know which type of federal system he wants. Who else knows better? May be Kiir? OMG. There is no restriction on which type. You simply study your situation and choose or adjust to what suits you. Certainly we can’t take the Ethiopian example of federalism based on nationalities. But, wait a minute, states of poor background may resist like LL Reuben.

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                      • 6 June 2013 23:35, by LL Reuben

                        Mi diit,
                        That’s exactly what I did, I "simply studied the situation of our country and that’s why federalism will not do the trick for all the problems and challenges we’re facing. What you’re doing on the other hand is comteplating the posibility of federalism putting Machar into presidence, now that is lame. I’m not suprise because all you care is Machar becoming the president for that sake..

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                        • 6 June 2013 23:50, by LL Reuben

                          All this belligerent push for federalism is about deep rooted hatred, envious, and jealousy our communities hold toward themselves. Equatorian don’t like to be ruled by Dinka, the Nuer don’t like the Dinka to rule, the Dinka see themselves as masters in their own right and that they deserve to lead. How will federalism rid the aforemention grudges without splitting the country into smaller...

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                          • 7 June 2013 00:05, by LL Reuben

                            weaker simulated enties that resemble Somalia. Should we sacrify ourselves, our history and our country to ruin because of the false belief that Ngundeng prophesied Riek to be a leader one day. We’re stronger together for now, until our peoples learn to enjoy life together without alienating each other. The West and the rest of the developed world have come a long way without short cuts...

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                            • 7 June 2013 00:16, by LL Reuben

                              and we should learn from their history. Rome was not build in few years, its took decades to say the least. We’ve 65 tribes; managing them isn’t a rolling of a dice. Federalism is a partial of democracy, it isn’t a brand new discovered philosphy, and therefore, any political demagogue who want it should explain him/herself precisely.

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            • 6 June 2013 14:03, by michael coma

              Mii dit
              I heard that the time Dr.Riek went to USA,he called you into his Hotel where he was living and then told you to stop your work and be his defender on site to make sure that you spends must of your time defending him.He had also allocated your monthly salary and full accommadation for your support and be critics to Kiir’s government on other way around.We know you and your plans.

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              • 6 June 2013 16:25, by Thokidine

                So what if you know him. What are u going to do. My friend it not a Jalaba time nor Dinka turn to threaten people. One mistake this time, you will find yourself a real slave (Jieng) or else you will spend the rest of your life in exile.
                Watch your tongue and never say rubbish. Fight your web war with peaceful words then using threatening words or else your life will on count.

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            • 6 June 2013 21:51, by panom lualbil

              Aaaha! REIK MACHAR has tried it by guns but wont out.

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              • 6 June 2013 22:50, by panom lualbil

                There was never a victory by words without action. RIAK MACHAR had tried it by guns during civil war but he failed terribly. He’ll not win bcuz he’s a curse.

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    • 6 June 2013 10:05, by EES Kingmaker

      Michael Angelo:Yes, we fought against marginalization from all forms of cultural, political and economic fields in former Greater Sudan run by minority political regimes. By the way are you aware that Southern Sudan MPs in National Assembly called for federalism in 1965 Round table Conference? This demand was flatly rejected by political elites based in Khartoum. Why did we take up arms in 1983?

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  • 6 June 2013 06:47, by Young Patriot

    That is a brilliant idea Mr VP, it is a matter of time before you assume the presidency. You are the only hope for the future of this country. By the way, I am 100% Dinka but I fully support Dr Riek for the Presidency!

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    • 6 June 2013 07:00, by Lotodo Awino Odug

      What about those who abandoned their states to come and disturb the capital? are these people entitled to cause the problems to the federal system because of their laziness or greed ?

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      • 6 June 2013 07:30, by Majongdit

        They came to build your capital...how did your capital look in 1995? Compare your capital of 2005 and the one 2013. Did you make it the capital it is today? If you think you built Juba, tell me why you didnt do it all the past years until others came here.Grow up!

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        • 6 June 2013 07:41, by Lotodo Awino Odug

          There is a logic behind my comment,Iam not equatorian Majongthii.

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      • 6 June 2013 09:39, by EES Kingmaker

        Lotodo Awino,
        Those who abandoned their home areas and came to our country capital are there simply because lack of good services in their lands, if not in the whole South Sudan. What Dr. Riek Machar suggested may be part and partial of solution to put a reversal to the phenomenon of rural-urban migration in search of economic opportunities.

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        • 6 June 2013 09:44, by EES Kingmaker

          Federalism as an alternative method of governance can change the way we plan, manage and distribute our human and financial resources. It also guides our political and administrative structures that we have set up at all levels of Government across this nation.

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          • 6 June 2013 09:50, by EES Kingmaker

            In the long-run, if implemented in good faith and without political interference, it is likely to stop mushrooming civil wars amongst our disgruntled our civil populations and ambitious rebel and militia leaders.

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    • 6 June 2013 14:24, by Hardlinner

      Some states may not hate federalism, but poor state will surely hate it. Also the powers for who become president during federation period will however be like that British queen. Anyway i don’t hate federalism, since will help state develop it much need air defend systems, something that kiir and riek fail to provide in unity, north.b.g state etc.

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  • 6 June 2013 06:59, by Ping Yes

    @Patriot,
    Riek has never been a hope for this Nation.Never misbehave during hard situations and expect favor during joy times.Somebody who turned against his own people and slaughter them like animals and expect to rule them again.Who do you expect to obey his commands.Death to Riek and his family

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    • 6 June 2013 07:10, by Lotodo Awino Odug

      This harangue is meant only for garnering votes from shallow federalist like Lupai Joseph.

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      • 6 June 2013 10:40, by EES Kingmaker

        Lotodo Awino
        Leave shallow federalism to Lupai Joseph the way you observed it brother. In the meantime, can you us tell your complete version of federalism? Otherwise, you are simply bordering empty rhetoric that is worse than the best tirade.

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        • 6 June 2013 10:44, by EES Kingmaker

          Lotodo Awino
          Leave shallow federalism to Lupai Joseph the way you observed it brother. In the meantime, can you tell us your complete version of federalism? Otherwise, you are simply bordering empty rhetoric that is worse than the best tirade.

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        • 6 June 2013 18:44, by Lotodo Awino Odug

          Mr EES Kingmaker,I do support federalism in our country.my concern are the poor states that will not meet their budgets if they are left alone.people who agriculture and all other craps as means of generating wealths are not aware about the fact that these disciplines are not reliable given the rapid changes in atmosphere due to global warming.

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    • 6 June 2013 12:11, by Nguntap

      Dear Piny Yes,
      Calm down man!Yesterday(past) is all about Yesterday(past), Let try to forget all about yesterday and plan for tomorrow. God said in the Bible, " Forget the past, forgive seventy seven times your brother has he sin against you and build a friendship;before giving your gift to God, go forgive your brother first and come back to present your gift before God"

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      • 6 June 2013 12:27, by Nguntap

        Ping Yes, try to understand the needs to forget past and plan for tomorrow future of the this country. I wonder why people related everything to past mistake? How will we go further if we aren’t forgetting past mistake? You know why? Because pple want to loot resources of the country, they would never like to hear any change of Government system which may have positive impact on stopping corruptio

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  • 6 June 2013 07:08, by George Bol

    Food lovers; let wait how riek can be a president in the South!

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    • 6 June 2013 07:15, by Lotodo Awino Odug

      If he become the president of Sodom,I will take oil shower in front of the Assembly and the money collected from the show will go to my drinking bank account.

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    • 6 June 2013 07:24, by Paul Chadrack

      This is a very good idea, which resisted since by those greedy people of greater president regions but this time they don’t have choices unless to give up. federalism is the right system for south sudan where every state will be responsible for its resources and it will also discourage corruption.

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      • 6 June 2013 07:37, by Lotodo Awino Odug

        What of those without natural endowments,how will they pay their servants and meet developmental needs at the same time.this could lead to anarchy.which will spill to the ricest states.

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    • 6 June 2013 11:01, by Mayom County Boy

      @George bol please don,t insult nuer people on internet let me tell you ,Dr Riek machar is coming by election in 2015 if not we use force to driver dinka out from power as soon as we plan it.Hahaha Dr Riek is coming to rule dinka and moneys lover equatoria .

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      • 6 June 2013 14:46, by Hardlinner

        Mayom county boy, we are not discussing primitive matters on this board. Anyone in south Sudan can become president as longer as he has right ingredient, unlike kiir and riek. I have lost interest in current leadership whether in state or national level. People we called leaders in state and national levels are rather bunches of assembled thugs who only care about there pockets and not people.

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  • 6 June 2013 07:35, by Majongdit

    No federalism in South Sudan!
    Federalism for what?
    Why federalism?
    Dr Riek should talk about other things rather go on issues that are non-relevent. The VP must first rank the challenges of this country and align priorities that directly meet those challenges. Federalism does not solve anything in S Sudan.

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    • 6 June 2013 08:28, by Paul Chadrack

      Monjongdit who are you to say no federalism in south sudan?, it will adopted after this corrupt government of yours. up to when will you be looting other states resources? it is up to you where you will pay your civil servants, either by bringing back your loots,it is time now to think big, remember things will not be always the same.

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    • 6 June 2013 08:32, by Paul Chadrack

      Monjongdit who are you to say no federalism in south sudan?, it will be adopted after this corrupt government of yours. up to when will you be looting other states resources? it is up to you where you will pay your civil servants, either by bringing back your loots,it is time now to think outside box, remember things will not be always the same.

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    • 6 June 2013 10:20, by EES Kingmaker

      Majongdit,
      Review your comments and see point. You may have something in Dr. Riek Machart’s past. What is wrong with federal system? Let’s view an idea by its merit and not by who suggested it. South Sudan belongs to us all, irrespective of any blots on our past deeds. Good suggestions do not segregate whatsoever persons who say them.

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      • 6 June 2013 10:30, by EES Kingmaker

        Whatever we think about him, what he came up will help this nation regardless of any political ambition connected with it therein. The country is at the testing stage as which governance system works well if we are to survive many of country’s woes.

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    • 6 June 2013 13:04, by Bentiu son

      Monytot,naive,your voice song like Arabs oppressors in Khartoum whom oppose first the idea of Federalism suggest by South Sudanese patriots like those of Buth Diu Kuoth,Paul Logali, William Deng Nhial,Joseph Garang,Dak Deth,Lado Lolik etc, whereby the demonstrated n say "No Federalism in One Nation"It was only in 1993 where they came to their senses n adopted Federalism as a good system of rule.

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  • 6 June 2013 07:41, by Emporio

    dr massacre and food advocate said "would be possible to transform the former 22 old districts, established under the British colonial administration, into new states to serve the purpose" you mean to serve the purpose of your selfishness your useless mentality no longer fit for s.sudan leave us alone.

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    • 6 June 2013 08:33, by Diversity

      Unless you don’t like Democracy otherwise you should know that the federal system is the right choice for the third world.
      Think of it. It gives a home grown democracy and posters the culture of unity within diversity.
      It creates more opportunities for participation in politics.
      Advantages of federal government are the following: (1) It ensures that government remains close to the people because

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      • 6 June 2013 08:34, by Diversity

        the state government argue that they are more in tune with the daily needs and aspirations of people especially relevant to small and isolated places. (2) It encourages development of the nation in a decentralized and regional manner and allows for unique and innovative methods for attacking social, economic and political problems. (3) It provides a barrier to the dominance of the majority.

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        • 6 June 2013 08:47, by Diversity

          while the disadvantages are the following: (1) It can lead to duplication of government and inefficient, over-lapping or contradictory policies in different parts of the country. (2) It can lead to inequality between the states and lead to unhealthy competition and rivalry between them. (3) It lead to over-government that will result to corruption. I have cited both faces of federal system.

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          • 6 June 2013 08:48, by Diversity

            But the question here is do we really need it? Is it advisable for our country to change the government into federal?

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  • 6 June 2013 07:53, by master

    You were said separation would solve our problem. and. No thing. happened
    now. New idea and it will never work

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    • 6 June 2013 10:57, by EES Kingmaker

      Master,
      Separation from another country is one thing. Developing a new governance is quite a different thing altogether. The federal system that Sudan enjoys today was introduced and developed by a veteran South Sudanese nationalist. This kind of federalism no longer works in evolving South Sudan. It is tainted by Islamic outdated concepts and practices. Check it and you will believe my words.

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  • 6 June 2013 08:12, by Tura Acuse

    DInka will never like federalism simply because of not resources in their lands. Go to warrap, Northern Bahr el ghazal (Awiel), Wau and Lake state nothing there at all. We (Equatorian, Nuer plus small tribes) have a lots. you guys are here eating our resources in bad manner way. remember Dr. Machar’s dreams never failed.

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    • 6 June 2013 08:25, by Emporio

      Tura Acuse
      please go to school and learn, you just sick if you don’t know what dinka meant to south sudan go to hell

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      • 6 June 2013 08:48, by Tura Acuse

        U dirty person. I go to school and learn what? How dinka looting and grabbing lands in Juba? Dinka meant nothing to me. idiot

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      • 6 June 2013 09:03, by wang

        Tura Acuse
        You will make a good leader one day dude, and you are 200% absolutely right Dr. Riek’s dreams has never failed… everything he is working on will all turns up perfect at the end…. Kiir will go back to cattle camp after 2015 and that federalism systems will be adopted….too bad to those poor Dinka boys always jump up n down when Dr. Riek has suggested brilliant ideas that can move this cou

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        • 6 June 2013 09:04, by wang

          Dr. Riek has suggested brilliant ideas that can move this country forwards….long—long---long—lifes---- to---- federalism systems…..

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          • 6 June 2013 23:11, by panom lualbil

            DR REIK prefer FEDERALISM better bcuz it can gives his own people way forward to corruption of oils’ avenue. Fool, this is still called tribalism. Spla fought for it when you allied with Khartoum against us. Nobody is gon believe in your stupid idea.

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      • 6 June 2013 09:16, by Gatnaath Dial

        @Emporio, What does Dinka meant to your Understanding? let me asure you clear you fool dinka meant backward and foolishness to all who know you,your compusing our great nation kindly, wait for Machar to become president so that any thing related to food and properties are given to you.
        Mr Tura your absolutely right.

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        • 6 June 2013 13:21, by Emporio

          @Gatnaath Dial
          you and whole nuer community are dreaming keep your wishful thinking to yourself , nothing will make dr Massacre to smell the seat of presidency that enough to live under dinka amnesty he is like a women who left her husband and came back again,2015 dr massacre will go back to village to manage food affair he will be good at it

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    • 6 June 2013 08:35, by Lotodo Awino Odug

      We Borians will share our oil with everybody even if they wish us to deaths from natural calamities,our hearts are open to the suffering of human kinds,We followed Awiel in term of humans loses but we don’t brag about it because we had achieved our goal of independence.

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    • 6 June 2013 15:05, by Rommel

      Tura Acuse:
      *Sigh*. Why don’t people like you put a little effort into researching things before making these absolutely ridiculous judgements!? At least 90% of South Sudan’s oil production comes from Dinka lands, with Paloich alone accounting for 80% of that oil production. The three oilfields in Upper Nile State [Paloich, Melut and Adar-Yale] are all in Dinka territory.

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      • 6 June 2013 15:09, by Rommel

        The Dinka territories of Unity state account for up to 75% of that State’s oil production. Out of the seven significant [7] oilfields in Unity State, only two [2] are within Nuer territory — Tharjiath and only parts of Unity oilfield. Toor,Toma south, Nar, Alhar and Manga are in Pariang and Biemmnom counties — Dinka counties.

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        • 6 June 2013 15:10, by Rommel

          If we wanted to consider lands occupied by the North, we would then have to add oilfields like Bamboo, Bamboo-west, "Taiyib", Toma, Garaad and finally "Heglig" as lands belonging to the Ruweng and Panaruu Dinka. The Panaruu and Ruweng Dinka currently have El haar, Toor, Toma south, Nar, Alhar and Manga as well as having parts of Unity oilfield in Pariang county.

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          • 6 June 2013 15:22, by Rommel

            A oil agreement was signed in 2010 with a firm from Luxembourg regarding block E; this large block [50,000 km2] transverses all four of the states of Bahr el-Ghazal. These reports are at odds with your childish, nonsensical notions and do not bode well with your virile expressions of tribal prejudice. Source: http://www.ecosonline.org/news/2010/Sudan_signs_oil_exploration_deal_for_new_Block_E/

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            • 6 June 2013 17:27, by Mi diit

              Rommel,
              Ah, poor Rommel is now back again bragging about tribal resources, counting his fingers about what could be a "Dinka" resource in isolated islands in federal system. So how will the "Dinka" of Bahr el Gahzal’s oil-less states benefit from Heglig (Unity state) or Paluj (Upper Nile) oil resources? It is the majority Nuer in all those states that will eat it, dude, if that is the case!!!

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              • 6 June 2013 17:50, by Mi diit

                Besides, Meluth basin extends to Longechuk and Maiwut areas connecting to Gambella in Ethiopia with huge oil reserves according to the latest reports if you don’t know. Tharjiath oilfields extend Southwards. Gawaar areas of Jonglei have blocks underway with great potentials, let alone the oil which already flows in Nuer areas. Without prejudice we can call those states Nuer states if you want.

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              • 6 June 2013 19:50, by Rommel

                Mi diit:
                Is this your pathetic attempt at being sardonic? I wasn’t bragging about anything, I am, however, disputing veritable lies, popular among the likes of you and setting the record straight. The Dinka of Bahr el ghazal will not benefit to any degree higher than citizens in Greater Equatoria or in Greater Upper Nile. The oil will be treated as a National resource.

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                • 6 June 2013 19:58, by Rommel

                  The majority Nuer will not be "eating" anything in excess of what other citizens will receive from this National resource, especially when this National resource is not weaned from their lands. The States in which the Nuer are the majority [Jonglei, Unity and Upper Nile State] will be dismantled. The Dinka areas will be extricated from these Nuer majority States.

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                  • 6 June 2013 20:10, by Rommel

                    There are currently three [3] operational oilfields in Upper Nile State and they are: Melut, Paloich and Adar-Yale — all within Dinka counties. When I mentioned Melut, I wasn’t referring to the Melut basin, I was referring to the oilfield of the same name in Melut county. After the Dinka areas are administratively removed, you can certainly then call these States "Nuer States".

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  • 6 June 2013 08:22, by Mi diit

    Ayiu,
    Dr. Machar has achieved the following if you don’t know:
    1) Quality personality. 2) Qualified with a PhD. 3) Fought war and wounded President Al Bashir in Mayom battles in 1988.4) Championed peace and self determination, democracy, etc. 5) Implemented CPA on behalf of Kiir. 6) Has a vision for the next stage of development. The man has a real life!!!

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    • 6 June 2013 15:26, by Rommel

      Mi diit:
      Riek did not deliver Self-Determination to the people of South Sudan; he delivered internecine tribal war (s) and our oilfields to Khartoum — that’s his legacy. On the 29th of July [one month prior to the Nasir Declaration] the SPLM/A informed the Sudanese government that Self-Determination was to be discussed for the Abuja agenda.

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      • 6 June 2013 15:26, by Rommel

        This is confirmed by the works of scholars such as Ann Lech. Her book states on page 22: "the independence option was therefore included in the still-united SPLM’s proposal for the Abuja agenda that was submitted to Nigerian and Sudanese government on 29th July 1991".
        (The Battle for Peace in Sudan: An Analysis of Abuja Conferences 1992 – 1993)

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        • 6 June 2013 15:34, by Rommel

          You always evoke the incident of Bashir being shot by men under the command of Machar on the 20th of November 1985 as though Riek Machar himself pulled the trigger. Do you even know the battalions that Riek commanded in these instances that you evoke with such pride? You don’t know, do you?

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          • 6 June 2013 15:36, by Rommel

            Do you even know the battalions that Riek commanded when he was a zonal commander? When Riek fought in Mayom, Tharkuer, Wiinaam and Ayot as zonal commander, the only battalions with him were Ghol Battalion of Dinka Ruweng of Biemnom, Hippopatomus Battalion of Dinka Panaruu, Jamus Battalion of Dinka Ruweng and Panaruu.

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            • 6 June 2013 15:39, by Rommel

              Timtha was the only Nuer battalion out of the four [4] battalions with him in Unity State at the time. Your ceaseless homilies on democracy and accountability are entirely divorced from reality. The Nasir Declaration came into being for the stated reason (s) that Dr. John Garang and the SPLM/A was operating in the absence of democratic ideals and institutions.

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              • 6 June 2013 15:45, by Rommel

                Riek so strenuously promulgated his *pretended* belief in democratic ideals and institutional reforms for political gain. The Nasir faction did not introduce greater transparency and accountability in its own movement, it had in fact committed egregious human rights abuses on a wide scale. Prior to his death, Joseph Oduho lambasted the Nasir faction for being authoritarian.

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                • 6 June 2013 15:46, by Rommel

                  Whatever the cosmetic or purely theoretical aspects of SPLM/A administration (prior to the split), it can be contrasted with Nasir, where there were no similar civil administrative structures and where much of what was announced in the form of internal organisation existed on paper only. The excuse Riek offered at the founding SSIM conference was that his movement lacked trained personnel.

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                  • 6 June 2013 15:48, by Rommel

                    The disintegration of the Nasir faction was precipitated by the desertions of its representatives and men, en masse. All cited serious shortcomings in the "movement" in their reasons for leaving; the concentration of power in the hands of Riek, the lack of democratic institutions, and the rising level of violence against civilians. You have an almost child-like, vivid and naive imagination.

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                    • 6 June 2013 18:02, by Mi diit

                      Rommel,
                      It is unfortunate that you depend on someone’s writings and quoted them as if they were from your knowledge. I read all of those before you commented here. About that western writer of yours who said self determination was on the table before 1991, what is the source of her allegation? May be a liar misled her. Without Dr. Riek you couldn’t have smelt the exercise of self determination.

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                      • 6 June 2013 18:17, by Mi diit

                        No Abuja peace talks ever took place in 1991. Abuja ONE peace talks took place in 1992 that led to the defection of Garang’s head of delegation, William Nyuon to the position of self determination of Nasir faction presented by Dr. Lam Akol. Why would William join Lam’s position if there was already SPLM document on self-determination in the possession of Sudan and Nigerian governments since 1991?

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                        • 6 June 2013 18:26, by Mi diit

                          In Oct. 1993 Riek and Garang went to Washington to be reconciled. Riek’s demands included self determination. Garang didn’t present self determination. Why did that happen if SPLM-Torit faction was for it since July 1991. Finally their 7-point Washington Declaration included self-determination. As for battalions that Riek commanded, the majority of Muor Muor brigade were from Bul-Nuer in Unity.

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                      • 6 June 2013 18:27, by Rommel

                        Mi diit:
                        Ah, so not only is she [in your estimation] a terrible historian, she’s also apparently easy to deceive - naive!? Do you also feel that way about Dr. Douglas Johnson? You know the man that retrieved your ’prophet’s dang from Britain? You can ascribe everything on the face of the earth to Riek’s apparent genius, but historians have said and will continue to say otherwise.

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                        • 6 June 2013 18:32, by Rommel

                          Douglas H. Johnson’s ’The Root Causes of Sudan’s Civil Wars’ puts it this way: The SPLA was already preparing a new position on self determination in 1991 when the Nasir declaration finally brought the issue of southern Sudanese independence to the fore, not just for debate among southern Sudanese but between southern and northern Sudanese."
                          page 174 - The Root Causes of Sudan’s Civil Wars.

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                          • 6 June 2013 18:39, by Rommel

                            And so there you have it, two historians telling you that the movement was considering a new position on Self-Determination prior to the split — and that they submitted this proposal before the beginning of the talks at Abuja. Did you not read the passage where it states that this proposal was put forward on the 29th of July 1991!?

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                            • 6 June 2013 18:45, by Rommel

                              When I quoted Dr. Douglas Johnson to you on this very issue, you tried your best to circumvent this but contriving yet another lie... that Riek brought up the issue of Self-Determination to the late Dr. John Garang De Mabior as far back as 1984. When I then duly asked you for evidence for this, you were predictably reticent.

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                              • 6 June 2013 18:55, by Rommel

                                William Nyuon didn’t defect to Nasir after being apparently persuaded of the merits of Self-Determination. According to Dr. Douglas’s eminent work, Nyuon defected to Nasir for financial gain. You see Khartoum was channeling money to Riek’s Nasir faction. This is what Dr. Douglas Johnson says on page 120 in ’The root causes of Sudan’s civil wars’:

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                                • 6 June 2013 19:03, by Rommel

                                  How serious the Nasir delegation was is difficult to tell, for it was also at Abuja that the wooing of William Nyuon began, and it was ultimately with money provided by the government that Nyuon was persuaded to leave the SPLA. (The root causes of Sudan’s civil wars, Douglas Johnson)

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                                  • 6 June 2013 19:26, by Rommel

                                    The only armed force that the Bul Nuer dominated was Matip’s milita. Mour-Mour division was mostly dominated by Dinka Malual, with some battalions such as Ghol, Tiger and Jamus battalions being constituted by fighters from Dinka Panaruu and Dinka Ruweng. Hippopatomus Battalion from Koriom division was made up of fighters from Dinka Panaruu. Stop lying, Mi diit.

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                                    • 6 June 2013 19:34, by Rommel

                                      Do you remember when you claimed in another article that Isaias Afwerki was the first African President to succumb to and accept Riek’s call for self-determination? And I told you that this claim was so dumb, that it makes the mentally ill, look quite intelligent.

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                                      • 6 June 2013 19:36, by Rommel

                                        I then informed you that the Eritreans were demanding independence as far back as 1950 [two years before Riek’s birth] and subsequently launched their war for independence in 1961, with victory in 1991... finally culminating in official Eritrean independence on the 24th of May 1993.

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                                        • 6 June 2013 21:47, by Mi diit

                                          Rommel,
                                          Lies! Where is the proof that the SPLM prepared document on self-determination before the 1991 split? Produce the document! The fact that a “liar” told those Western writers that the SPLM had prepared for self-determination just a month before Riek’s split doesn’t provide solid evidence. They were not eyewitnesses. They depended on false statements.

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                                          • 6 June 2013 21:57, by Mi diit

                                            Riek suggested self-determination in 1984 but was turned down. Why would he revolt in August 1991 if his demand was met a month earlier (July 1991). This doesn’t make sense. The fact is there was nothing on the table. No document about that allegation. People who gave the writers the false impression were lying just to discredit the cause of the split.

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                                            • 6 June 2013 22:04, by Mi diit

                                              Rommel, from deep down in your heart you know you are lying but you are determined to mislead few in trying to deprive Riek Machar of his credit on self-determination. This is why you did not answer me why Washington Declaration between Garang and Riek had self-determination included only per the demand by Dr. Machar. Why Garang resisted it if it was on the table since July 1991.

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                                              • 6 June 2013 22:15, by Mi diit

                                                In July 1991 Garang tried to lure Riek and Lam to go from Nasir to EES obviously to arrest them because he already heard rumors about a coup plot. That was the preparation I know of that July 1991. No self-determination! You said William Nyuon defected for money in Abuja I. That is not true. He switched side to Nasir faction because he was attracted by the call for self-determination.

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                                          • 6 June 2013 22:06, by Rommel

                                            Mi diit:
                                            Your intransigence is of no concern to me and neither is your emotional outburst and resultant name calling. You are in no position to talk about solid evidence, you have a penchant for asserting things without so much as a morsel of evidence. Dr. Douglas H. Johnson is a fine historian, that has written a very well referenced book. Read it!

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                                            • 6 June 2013 22:16, by Rommel

                                              Dr. John Garang De Mabior "resisted" because he correctly saw the whole thing as a smokescreen, precisely because Riek’s Nasir faction was still cooperating with Khartoum in joint military operations against the SPLA at the time. Allow me to quote Dr. Douglas H. Johnson yet again:

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                                              • 6 June 2013 22:23, by Rommel

                                                It was the government that announced the fate of the Fashoda meeting shortly before Riek and Lam were due to travel to Washington to participate in a US Congressional-sponsored reconciliation with Garang in October. Lam’s presence at the meeting was widely seen as Khartoum’s guarantee that no breakthrough would be made, but it seems that Riek himself had assured the government that the meeting

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                                                • 6 June 2013 22:25, by Rommel

                                                  would fail. A document was produced but Riek avoided signing it. (The root causes of Sudan’s civil wars, Douglas H. Johnson)

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                                                  • 6 June 2013 22:28, by Rommel

                                                    I want and require quotable evidence from the work of a reputable historian, that explicitly substantiates and affirms your contention that Dr. Riek Machar brought up the issue of Self-Determination to the late Dr. John Garang De Mabior as far back as 1984.

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                                                    • 6 June 2013 22:29, by Rommel

                                                      You better stop spinning and find some documents, fast! I have a feeling you won’t be forthcoming in this regard. Two things can happen: 1) You will answer my request for evidence, and if you’re forthcoming, I will thank you for enlightening me. 2) You will not answer my request, in which case the debate is over, and you’ve lost.

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                                                      • 6 June 2013 22:30, by Rommel

                                                        Not to deprive you of your natural right to certain failure, but you have a snowball’s chance in Hades of proving that Riek said anything to the late Dr. John Garang De Mabior concerning Self-Determination in 1984. Evidence is required.

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                                                        • 6 June 2013 22:40, by Rommel

                                                          Why would Riek revolt if his demand was met a month earlier? That’s an interesting question. Hmm, I wonder. I think it had something to do with the fact that Riek wanted to overthrow Garang. Because of your special dispensation, you so desperately want to believe that Riek was selfless and benign; that he had absolutely no selfish interests. You can continue to live in your little bubble.

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                                              • 6 June 2013 22:26, by Mi diit

                                                Rommel,
                                                A fine historian on this particular case? No, no. He neither witnessed the document presented on self-determination nor quoted the source who lied to him. And you can’t even produce one page of that alleged tabled document in July 1991. You are wasting my time!!!

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                                                • 6 June 2013 22:51, by Rommel

                                                  Mi diit:
                                                  Read the book, Mi diit, it is well referenced. I have historians on my side... all you have is sour grapes. I don’t really care whether you accept reality or not. Your ahistorical, tribally motivated, feel-good little narrative is built upon the foundation of sand.

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                                                  • 7 June 2013 05:50, by Mi diit

                                                    Rommel,
                                                    Don’t further waste my time beating around the bush. Just show me that non-existent document of July 1991 which allegedly stipulated the SPLM position on self-determination a month before the split of August 1991. Don’t depend on books written on hearsays. The historian was lied to by one of you, period.

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                                                    • 7 June 2013 05:57, by Mi diit

                                                      You will NEVER succeed trying to run away from giving Riek the credit for championing the right to self-determination. No time in the history of Sudan EVER that self-determination was endorsed by a colonial or Khartoum government and enshrined in the constitution. It happened under Riek’s championship in 1998 for the first time EVER. You can swallow that bitter truth. 2005 confirmed it with Garang

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                                                      • 7 June 2013 06:01, by Mi diit

                                                        History in both Sudan and South Sudan will always carry the signature of Dr. Riek Machar Teny-Dhurgon as the first signatory to an agreement that recognized the right of self-determination for the people of South Sudan EVER!!! He was the one who broke the ice!!!

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  • 6 June 2013 09:07, by Agutthon

    Not original but mimicking of Equatorias and conferences
    desdainful

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  • 6 June 2013 09:13, by Yuol

    Good idea Mr. Riak but how about austerity measures, militias, poor road network, inability of South Sudan to cater for their basic needs, poor infrastrature. I guess south Sudan haven’t yet attained one of millennium Dev. Goals and you talk of creation of more administrative posts.your idea won’t impress monkey

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  • 6 June 2013 10:26, by whatsayyou

    If i ask Nuer the reason they like Riak their some will say that he is from Nuer, some say we want Nuer to rule but if am asked i will tell them that i don’t like Riak coz he killed, looted, bunt houses of civilian in 1991-2002.

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  • 6 June 2013 11:58, by manyang mawech

    Good job Dr. Machar

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    • 6 June 2013 12:48, by Bentiu son

      Go forwards bravo Dr.Machar,all South Sudanese youths civilians,patriots/nationalists,peace lover r behind you comes 2015 National Election.The idea of federalism is suitable for tribal territory like South Sudan which is rich in cultural diversity.We will make your wonderful dreams come true during 2015 election.Don’t worry about those barking dogs with self interests,we shall silence t by ballo

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  • 6 June 2013 12:54, by Salammabaad

    OK. Mr. vice president,but where were you all this time?

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  • 6 June 2013 13:22, by SPLA,corrup

    You got my vote Mr President that is the deal....

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  • 6 June 2013 14:36, by Nyapan

    Dr. Machar, continue that great vision for this country.you are not alone but with good number of people who love this nation.you sound more visionary than Kiir.we will definite vote for you.

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  • 6 June 2013 15:51, by Kim Deng

    Rommel,"The Dinka [Twic-east, Hol, Nyarweng and Bor] should form their own state. The Padeng Dinka of Jonglei should form a State with the Abiliang Dinka of Bailet, Melut and Renk. The Nuer of Jonglei [Lou, Gawaar, Thiang and Lak] should form a state with the eastern Jikany-Nuer of Upper Nile State. The Ruweng of Biemmnom county and the Panaruu of Panrieng county should be allowed to form a State"

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  • 6 June 2013 15:57, by Kim Deng

    Ammel,
    You want non-Nuer tribes to form their own States within greater Upper Nile, but for your info, the Mighty Nuer Warriors of greater Upper Nile won’t let it happen as you wish. Yes, Jonglei could be divided into two States, but it should not based on tribe as you wanted.

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  • 6 June 2013 15:58, by Kim Deng

    Had the Nuer ever wished to occupy the whole greater Upper Nile, from Renk to Mading Bor and from Ruweng/Biemnom to Buma-Gambella, it seems unlikely that the other coward Jurs (Jaang, Teet, Bar, Chai…) could have stopped them.

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    • 6 June 2013 17:51, by Nuer Empire

      Rommel:The population of all your Upper Nile Dinka is less or less equal to that of Lou Nuer and u are singing a song to have the state of their own.I believe u have no idea of where the oil is!!

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      • 6 June 2013 19:30, by julia

        Nueer food empire.
        try to visit Jieng (Dinka)wekipidia 1981. Ruweng Biemnom population is 83000, panaruu pop. 139000, Abyei pop. 112000. That is north Dinka padang community. The three community re capable of forming their own stat. We will share our oil/agricultural resources with warrap state, Awiel who may back us up from any aggression by fake arabs.

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      • 6 June 2013 23:34, by Nuer Empire

        Very hard to debate with htis damn Rommel(Liar)

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    • 6 June 2013 18:07, by MJriaksdca

      Federalism is the kind of system the USA has. Since it works fine there we can adopt it too as long as more of those states and counties to be created understand that it is more important to maintain firm unity as one country. Federalism should not be radicalized once the new nation shift gears to it.

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    • 6 June 2013 19:15, by Deng II

      Nuer
      You don’t have what it take to endure hardship. Dreaming can not come true. So, keep your wishful thinking. Machar, this time around will do nothing cause of her husbands Bashit is sick of throat cancer. He cannot a affords to give Machar an other sanctuary again. his focusing may be good Idea, but craps coming out from beautiful woman like Riek, would still craps, and people cannot touch it

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    • 6 June 2013 20:14, by Rommel

      Kim Deng:
      The "mighty" whatever are not going to be a factor here. These States will be dismantled, whether you like or not. You hate the Dinka, so why do you want to share a State with them!?

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      • 6 June 2013 20:56, by Kim Deng

        Rommel,
        If the coward Jaang/Slaves reject assimilation, they’re free to leave the land, simple as that.

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        • 6 June 2013 21:18, by Rommel

          Kim Deng:
          Ah, so if the Dinka of Greater Upper Nile don’t accept to surrender their culture and offer themselves to Nuer subjugation and cultural imperialism... they must then leave their ancestral lands to you or face some unmentioned fate? Well, you can certainly dream.

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    • 6 June 2013 21:08, by Son of Upper Nile

      Now come again this primitive Kim barging about his uncivilized way of life. People are talking about rule of law & you are talking about violence among tribes. Are you an animal in a jungle? Now Rommel "Dr. Luka" is revealing his true identity as tribally oriented. Oil is produced in Upper Nile & Unity. We don’t have states called Ruweng or Panaaru.

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      • 6 June 2013 21:19, by Son of Upper Nile

        FYI Adar field extend up to Maban territory. Adar itself is contested between Melut & Maban. Unity field (Rubkona) right now is producing far more than Manga field. fields you mentioned are not producing now except Tharjiath. Don’t lie that there is oil in BHG all oil is in Upper Nile Region with only EES as potential. That is Why UN & EQ regions support Federalism will BHG Loot others resources.

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      • 6 June 2013 21:29, by Rommel

        Son of Upper Nile:
        I am from Jonglei, I have no connection to the Jok-Ngok of Abyei. I perfectly understand that the oil belongs to the country as a whole. I was just disputing the notion that Dinka lands do not provide anything financially to the country, as some Nuer commentators would have us believe. The truth must be affirmed.

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        • 6 June 2013 21:37, by Rommel

          The Unity oil field is a rather large oilfield with wells located in both Pariang [Dinka] and Rubkona [Nuer] counties. Block E traverses every State of the Bahr el Ghazal region — and is estimate to hold over 2 billion barrels, yet, this is to be completely ignored, by you - as an unpleasant fact, which explodes your fantasies.

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          • 6 June 2013 21:44, by Rommel

            Tharjiath, at its zenith was producing around 1/10th of South Sudan’s oil production. Unity State’s largest and most productive oilfields are in Biemmnom and Pariang counties and there is nothing you can do to change this. The largest oilfield in South Sudan is Paloich — 80% of our production. As I’ve said before, the oil belongs to the Nation as a whole, but I won’t put up with hateful lies.

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            • 7 June 2013 06:15, by Mi diit

              Rommel,
              Forget about it. Not every bit of Dinka community in isolated islands in greater upper nile will have a state. That is an impossible dream. greater Upper Nile is a land flowing with oil, milk and honey and the Nuer were led to like the Israelites to Palestine. Every thing there is for all of us. You can complain like Palestine, but NO..

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  • 6 June 2013 18:27, by Lion

    VP Machar talking about the Nation,internet warriors Cellphone. I think he mean Sudan tribune warriors fighting here.
    http://www.southsudanhub.com/media/2663/VP_Dr_Riek_Machar_talking_about_problems_facing_the_country/

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    • 6 June 2013 19:31, by Lotodo Awino Odug

      That was a great about nation building,but he accuses internet warriors as from all over the world as those who fueled tribalism.The vp should understand that the internet warriors also allay some bad situations with humor and forgiveness.

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  • 6 June 2013 22:58, by Yes 4 Federal System in S.S

    I suggest and stand with the idea of federalism system,because S.S is rich in resources in all the states.

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  • 7 June 2013 15:33, by Mapuor

    Federal system is ok but not in the form Dr Riek is advocating.It would be extremely confusing to have 22 states and 170 counties in South Sudan.23 assemblies,22 governors,330 ministers,170 commissioners and thousands of civil servants,hoo the guy is getting mad.Hahahaah hooo yah.We need only 13 federal states,the current Regions to get one in addition to accommodate minorities.

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    • 9 June 2013 23:21, by Ngundeng Bong II

      @Mapour, you proposed that only 13 states needed to created in our nation. If I may ask you, where the additional states would be allocated in our previously identified 3regions, i.e, Greater Bahr el ghazal, Greater Upper nile and Greater Equatoria?

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      • 9 June 2013 23:28, by Ngundeng Bong II

        Correction: I meant you proposed only 13 states needed to be created.

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