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May 11, 2013 (KHARTOUM) – The Sudanese government on Saturday accused South Sudan of providing support to rebels from the Sudan Revolutionary Front (SRF) who have recently stepped up their attacks in multiple states across the country.

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Sudan’s President Omer Hassan al-Bashir (R) and South Sudan’s President Salva Kiir (L) are pictured at Juba airport in Juba on April 12, 2013 (ALI NGETHI/AFP/Getty Images)

In a press release, the National Intelligence and Security Services (NISS) claimed that Juba provided rebels with "large numbers" of four-wheel drive cars that were recently handed to Sudan Liberation Movement of Minni Minnawi (SLM-MM) and Sudan People Liberation Movement North (SPLM-N).

The security apparatus went on to say that more vehicles are en route from South Sudan to SPLM-N and Darfur’s Justice and Equality Movement (JEM).

The SPLM-N, JEM, SLM-MM are among several groups that make up the SRF which has launched several attacks last month in north and south Kordofan states that took the government by surprise as it included areas that were in the past were believed to be beyond the reach of the rebel groups.

At the time, the spokesperson of Sudan Armed Forces (SAF), Colonel al-Sawarmi Khalid Sa’ad said that they have "no proof” linking South Sudan to the recent rebels’ offensive.

“South Sudan has no links to the recent assault on [North Kordofan town of] Um Rawaba”, he said.

Relations between Khartoum and Juba have dramatically improved following the deal inked last March between the two neighbors to implement cooperation agreements signed last year related to several disputed items such as oil.

Last month Sudanese president Omer Hassan al-Bashir paid a visit to Juba for the first time since the country’s partition into north and south in July 2011. It was believed to commence a new phase in relations that were by brinkmanship.

The NISS alleged that South Sudan supplied fuel, ammunition and training to rebels in several camps inside Unity state with the goal of launching new attacks inside Sudan.

According to the statement, South Sudan also availed military hospitals to receive the wounded Sudanese rebels and produced travel documents for a number of wounded rebels who were evacuated from South Kordofan and transferred to hospitals in unspecified African countries.

Juba also provided housing in Juba to host SRF field commanders and also furnished funds to SPLM-N and SLM-MM, the NISS said.

Sudan has routinely accused Juba of backing SRF and the SPLM-N which fought alongside the mainstream SPLM throughout the north-south civil war.

But South Sudan dismissed those allegations saying they had severed ties with SPLM-N a long time ago. The rebel group is fighting SAF since 2011 in the border states of South Kordofan and Blue Nile.

The new accusations by Khartoum could prove troubling to regional and international players who have lauded the apparent thaw in ties between the two ex-foes.

This week South Sudan president Salva Kiir accused the Sudanese government of standing behind the assassination of Dinka Ngok chief in Kuol Deng Kuol in the disputed region of Abyei last weekend.

"It is the government of Sudan which killed the chief…I hold the government of Sudan, especially president Bashir himself responsible if he fails to produce criminals and ensure that they are tried by the independent and competent court of law" Kiir said.

South Sudan leader said that Khartoum wanted to undermine the Abyei referendum scheduled for October under the African Union (AU) plan which the Sudanese government has swiftly rejected.

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  • 12 May 2013 09:19, by Jalaby

    Well, those bad guys can never be trusted, they use to stab us from behind all the time!
    Well, let us hit them on the part that really pain them so hard, yes, let us stop the oil and keep them die of hunger and continue killing each others over cows!
    More importantly, let us support Machar and get the evil Dinka out of power! That will really demolish Dinka!!

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    • 12 May 2013 09:44, by LL Reuben

      Jalaby,
      Terrific idea! What’s the definition of insanity? Khartoum played that same card for almost 6 decades - don’t you think Khartoum need to pick up different card?

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      • 12 May 2013 16:23, by Chol

        Jalaby, the good news is; you can say whatever you wish to say; but the bad news for you in Sudan is; you don’t elect leaders into power in South Sudan but South Sudanese does!

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        • 12 May 2013 21:19, by Oppressor

          haaahhhaaaaaa so Funny Chol elect what .. just words no action ...

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    • 12 May 2013 10:24, by Mapuor

      Jalaby
      What you said will only turn two Sudans into Somalia situation.Dinka know very well that Riek Macar is working for their extinction on earth and will never relent or surrender.SPLA will also step up the support that it has stopped to Western Sudan,Blue Nile eastern Sudan and Nuba mountains who are now proving invincible and that would turn Sudan into Somalia.

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      • 12 May 2013 10:30, by Mapuor

        The only viable solution is to maintain the status-qua and stopped support to rebels on both sides.Kiir will rule till things prove stable,and this means that we still need him for up to 15 years.

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    • 12 May 2013 11:00, by babiker

      We don’t need to react without thinking. War had never been the choice for wise guys on both sides of the border, simply because life will turn to be difficult for both.
      The riots against both sides Governments don’t want to see any type of peaceful settlement between the two states, as this will simply means death for the aspiration of the rebellion groups, no whether they are against RSS or RS.

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    • 12 May 2013 12:15, by ksimon

      we will blame all of us neither from north or south "Sudanese" unless we all know or identified ourselves why we do fight for.

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      • 12 May 2013 15:01, by Mohammed Ali 2

        KSIMON, there is no single reason to fight and there is nothing to fight for!The only reason of fighting is " New Sudan" ideology.The foreign agenda is meant to be achieved with the blood of N & S blood!

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  • 12 May 2013 09:35, by Jalaby

    Only stick can really help when dealing with Dinka, hence SAF is required to take what ever necessary actions to stop the rebels from attacking Sudan from the south, these areas in the south should be bombarded now because they’re the points where the south provides the weapons and support to the rebels: Raja, Tombara, Neim,Faring,etc

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    • 12 May 2013 09:39, by Jalaby

      Al-Hilu was seriously injured during the last fighting and was evacuated to the south where they offered him the necessary treatment and medication and many others rebel leaders who got injured in the last fighting got their treatment in the south and some of them sent out to different hospitals to get the proper treatment that unavailable in the south!!

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      • 12 May 2013 09:47, by Michael Angelo

        Jalaby,
        Lauching false accusation to cover up their planned assassination of paramount chief of Abyei late Kuol Deng Kuol will not work. NCP must bring those assailants to justce or else Juba must respond accordingly.

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      • 12 May 2013 09:47, by Jalaby

        Mr. Kiir and his Dinka thugs are in a weak position now and can’t afford to open another front with Sudan while their internal front is so fragile and facing strong rebellion in Jonglei, money shortage and economy at the verge of collapse, more importantly, Dr. Machar campaign for leading the country in the coming election!

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      • 12 May 2013 16:39, by Chol

        Jalaby, even if you have that chance God forbid to take Al-hilu life; would that make any different to you in Sudan? What happened when you kill Khalil Ibrahim and Dr. John Garang? You’re in the worst fear than ever in Darfur today in the history of Sudan and you lose the most valuable part of Sudan to South Sudan. You motivate people more for the cause by killing their leaders!

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    • 12 May 2013 09:54, by Rommel

      Jalaby:
      Ah, so the people who just had their Paramount Chief violently murdered are the bad guys here? Why do you act as though as you’re coming up with an altogether untried and untested course of action in your facile calls for again subjecting the aforementioned areas in South Sudan to bombardment?

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      • 12 May 2013 10:05, by Rommel

        The areas you mentioned have been subjected to aerial bombardment before, without any attendant affect on the operational strength and effectiveness of the SRF. Implementing a failed strategy over and over again is the parenthetic definition of insanity. You’re well versed in that regard, aren’t you?

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        • 12 May 2013 10:20, by Rommel

          You have tickled my curiosity, child. Please satiate this by answering my questions. So we are in a weak position because we have a limited rebellion, confined to just one [1] of the eleven [11] counties in Jonglei, presided over by a former theology student? Need I remind you that large swathes of South Kordofan and Blue Nile are under the control of experienced, battle hardened fighter?

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        • 12 May 2013 11:31, by Jalaby

          Rommel,
          you said "
          The areas you mentioned have been subjected to aerial bombardment before, without any attendant affect on the operational strength and effectiveness of the SRF"

          That’s not true, the purpose of the bombarding is to humiliate, insult and put the south nose on the ground and show SPLA that they’re nothing by

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          • 12 May 2013 11:34, by Jalaby

            hitting them inside their home while they can do nothing other than complaining and crying!!
            You Dinka Ngok guys need to stop fishing in the dirty water, Abyei is north and that what you decided before and will never ever be south, stop fishing in the dirty water!!

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            • 12 May 2013 12:01, by Rommel

              Jalaby:
              Please explain how the above is anything more than a mealy-mouthed admission of the fact that the aforementioned areas have been subjected to bombardment before. I understand that you’re saying that the motivations and implicit objectives are altogether different... but do you really think this will impact on the results?

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              • 12 May 2013 12:03, by Rommel

                You know hubris is the essential ingredient in the fall of every form of tyranny. I love the fact that you people have the same kind of faith that Nazi Germany had in the supposed invincibility and timelessness of their evil; they actually thought that the Third Reich would last for a thousand years... they were gravely mistaken — and so are you.

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  • 12 May 2013 09:47, by wang

    Jalaby
    Both governments are supporting all rebels both sides… David YY captured one of the main town in Pibor county from SPLA because of Khartoum involvement… so why today, while your government clearly stated another days that the Juba has not involved in that rebels major attack?

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  • 12 May 2013 09:50, by Mohammed Ali 2

    It is as simple as that, if they don’t peace we shpuld tell them we don’t any war and we don’t want any sort of relationship or co-operation.Period!I don’t think the SPLA thieves care about their innocent,starving,poor and marginalised pple SS.The enemies of Kiir, who are against the agreements will do every thing to obstruct the agreements and topple him.

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    • 12 May 2013 09:53, by maluach madit

      Buffoon or jalaby, your chance of boggling South Sudanese to fight each other has expired, and all will turn against you. Murdering the innocents, looting the oil and terrorizing the world, do you think all these evil threats will make your gov.t surviving for three years??. Be aware that, there is no information about the new deal.

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    • 12 May 2013 09:59, by LL Reuben

      Your country is in state of chaos, with multiple rebels attacking from all corners, dire economy, political wrangling between fundamental Islamists, NIF and those of Turabi and other political parties – all these you ignore simply because you’re as naïve as teenage girl. We’ve several thousand Sudanese refugees taking up refuge in RSS, what is your government led by a renowned criminal...

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      • 12 May 2013 10:02, by LL Reuben

        Omar Bashier doing to solve that problem? Without any shame you come here to tell us always about how bad RSS is getting - aren’t you just an absurd hypocrite to the core?

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        • 12 May 2013 10:18, by Mohammed Ali 2

          I beleve care has got all the intention to settle all the problem peacfully and amicably. His enemies are the enemies of peace.They are the Abeyei gang and garang sons.Any improvement in relationship is improvement in the life of the poor, starving and marginalized pple of SS and is a success to Kiir.They don’t want that, they want him to fail and be replaced by Pagan....con

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        • 12 May 2013 10:18, by Mohammed Ali 2

          I beleve care has got all the intention to settle all the problem peacfully and amicably. His enemies are the enemies of peace.They are the Abeyei gang and garang sons.Any improvement in relationship is improvement in the life of the poor, starving and marginalized pple of SS and is a success to Kiir.They don’t want that, they want him to fail and be replaced by Pagan....con

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          • 12 May 2013 10:28, by Mohammed Ali 2

            CON: "Correction>>Kiir not care"He said in a rally in Juba , "those who oppose the agreements & want war,have got their families and childrens in Australia and US"He can’t be more explicit than that!Who oppose the agreements? We all know who got his family outside SS.Machar on the other hand, probably wont be involved directly in allowing arms, but will benifit from the wrangling among the Dinka .

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            • 12 May 2013 10:40, by Mapuor

              The only viable solution is to maintain the status-qua and stopped support to rebels on both sides.Kiir will rule till things prove stable,and this means that we still need him for up to 15 years.

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              • 12 May 2013 10:59, by Mohammed Ali 2

                Mapur, you are probably right! But they allow him? They are digging for him around all the corners.

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            • 12 May 2013 10:43, by Rommel

              Mohammed Ali:
              You seem to think that you have some kind of insight in the way Salva Kiir ’thinks’. Was it not Salva Kiir who accused your genocidal ruling party of having a hand in the murder of the Paramount Chief just days ago!? Are you going to now argue that Salva Kiir was momentarily possessed by these malevolent, war-mongering quarters that you’ve so diligently worked to identify!?

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              • 12 May 2013 10:47, by Rommel

                You appear to value peace… but you actually don’t, do you!? You don’t seem to realize that there can be no peace without justice. In the absence of justice, peace is reduced to a faint, evanescent dream. Justice has precedence over peace — one presupposes the other. Be honest... you don’t really want peace; you want something that legitimizes your theft – land theft.

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                • 12 May 2013 11:16, by Mohammed Ali 2

                  Rommel,certainly I can’t get into the brain of any body, but ceratinly I can read all what Kiir said.It is true he accused Sudan, but you took half what he said.He said he will hold Sudan responsible if Basheer didn’t investigate this properly.Erlier he said leave this to me and Basheer and we will solve this problem, it is not for the tribe to solve it.What would you expect him to say....con

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                  • 12 May 2013 11:24, by Mohammed Ali 2

                    CON:..when the Abyei gang were staging a political rally to "mourn" their brother and exploit the unfortunate incidence to gain politival points & strenghthing their hegemoney over the SPLA & the government of SS, while they want to control it from far away by remote control.What do you read when Kiir says " those who oppose the agreements have their families in Australia & US", whom does he mean?

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                  • 12 May 2013 11:44, by Rommel

                    Mohammed Ali 2:
                    Salva Kiir already seems to be of the opinion that your government murdered the Paramount Chief for political reasons, so I don’t much see the point of murderers investigating themselves. If Salva Kiir truly believed in your innocence, he wouldn’t send these extremely serious allegations into emission.

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                    • 12 May 2013 11:58, by Mohammed Ali 2

                      Rommel, so you have insight to Kiir’s brain?

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                      • 12 May 2013 12:09, by Rommel

                        Mohammed Ali 2:
                        No, I don’t claim to have any insights into the inner workings of Salva’s mind, however, his actions and statements are all that I require — they speak for themselves. The essential difference between you and I is that I don’t make blithering suppositions predicated on wishful thinking.

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                        • 12 May 2013 12:33, by Mohammed Ali 2

                          Rommel, you said Kiir seems to.. and if Kiir , these are predictions & wishful thinking.I say to you Kiir said : leave to me & Basheer....If Basheer didn’t investigate...we hold Sudan accountable....!You ignored all his word and built your theory upon half a sentence to support your wishful thinking.It is quite obvious that the Governement of Sudan is involved in the killing of Ngok Sultan.

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                          • 12 May 2013 12:53, by Rommel

                            Mohammed Ali:
                            Did Salva Kiir not accuse your ruling party of murdering the Paramount Chief of Abyei? I merely relayed to you what he said. I said he’s come to the conclusion that your ruling party murdered the Paramount chief, and that’s precisely what he said. Salva Kiir did not utter the word investigate. Where in the text is this word present?

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                            • 12 May 2013 12:57, by Rommel

                              Salva Kiir just wants the criminals who did the deed at Khartoum’s behest to be tried for the murder of the Paramount Chief. This is precisely what Salva Kiir said: “I hold the government of Sudan, especially president Bashir himself responsible if he fails to produce criminals and ensure that they are tried by the independent and competent court of law" he added."

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                            • 12 May 2013 13:10, by Mohammed Ali 2

                              Rommel, "I hold the government of Sudan, especially president Bashir himself responsible if he fails to produce criminals and ensure that they are tried by the independent and competent court of law" he added. This what Kiir said! Make your own deduction.Kiir is moving in a field of mines and trabs set by hyenas of Abyei & the enemy of peace and he is not naieve as you think!

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                              • 12 May 2013 13:18, by Mohammed Ali 2

                                Rommel, he has to say something to please them while he will tackle the matter with Basheer.Why The government in Sudan kill one person? what is the benifit? Is it going to solve any problem or complicate an already complicated situation.Think rationally!Or you want to exploit the situation!You wont get any thing.Abyei could only be solved mutualy!no other way,even war which you want others die in

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                                • 12 May 2013 13:39, by Rommel

                                  Mohammed Ali:
                                  Well, I’m glad that you’ve conceded that Salva Kiir did in fact accuse your government of murdering the Paramount Chief without so much as a caveat requiring an investigation to determine this. Your behaviour keeps changing in a manner likened to how a chameleon changes its colour according to a given environment.

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                                  • 12 May 2013 13:48, by Rommel

                                    Just how are the prominent sons of Abyei enemies of peace and hyenas? Who wants war here!? Is it the side that immediately accepted the *final and binding* ruling on Abyei by the PCA? Or is it the side that has displayed and demonstrated absolute disregard for each and every peaceful attempt at resolving this dispute by rejecting the PCA ruling!?

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                                    • 12 May 2013 13:54, by Rommel

                                      I don’t pretend to know just why it is your government does what it does... Just as I don’t know why they scuttled hopes for peace in 1989 when they came to power through a coup d’état. I don’t know why they then attempted to baptise an entire in religious dogma by introducing Shariah law. And I don’t why they murdered half a million Darfuris.

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                                      • 12 May 2013 13:56, by Rommel

                                        The PCA’s mandate according the PCA was "to define (i.e. delimit) on map the boundaries of the area of the nine Ngok Dinka chiefdoms transferred to Kordofan in 1905, based on the submissions of the Parties." Let me repeat that: The mandate of the PCA was to determine the area of the nine *Ngok chiefdoms* transferred to Kordofan as they were in 1905.

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                                        • 12 May 2013 13:57, by Rommel

                                          The PCA did precisely just that. It determined that its delimitation of the Abyei area is correspondent with the area of the nine Ngok chiefdoms transferred to Kordofan in 1905. Anyone with a morsel of honesty, comprehension, reasoning and discernment perfectly understands that the land that was defined and delimited by the PCA is land that belongs solely and entirely to the Ngok.

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                                          • 12 May 2013 14:08, by Rommel

                                            The only thing preventing complete peace right now is your refusal to allow the Ngok to decide what political unit and administration they want to come under. You rejected the 2009 PCA ruling on Abyei and the most recent AU proposal on the matter... and now you want to bespatter the prominent sons of Abyei with the charge of eschewing peace and war-mongering? You’re hilarious.

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                                            • 12 May 2013 14:17, by Rommel

                                              The South has tried to compromise. We have even offered compromises on the issue of Misseriya residency — a collective who are merely transhumant and don’t even live in Abyei. We *previously* offered that anybody or populations who can trace residency in Abyei to 1905 can vote = rejected by the NCP. The offer was then changed to anyone or populations tracing residency to 1956 = rejected.

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                                              • 12 May 2013 14:24, by Rommel

                                                The offer was again changed to anyone who was resident in 2005 = rejected. Then residency at the time of the Permanent Court of Arbitration ruling [2009] = rejected. Finally, anyone resident just a year after the Abyei Referendum Act was passed [2010] = rejected. The NCP is insisting that the 80,000 Misseriya who were moved in from 2011-13 must be permitted to vote.

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                                  • 12 May 2013 15:09, by Mohammed Ali 2

                                    Rommel, Am happy that made yourself glad! Where did I said that kiir didn’t accuse SUdan.I said you built your theory on half a sentence half of the truth!You are decieving yourself by ignoring the other half and previous words of Kiir.You the Abeyei gang want trab Kiir in another war.He told you" bring your families if you want war, will you do that? Will u go to SS to fight?

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                                    • 12 May 2013 15:30, by Rommel

                                      Mohammed Ali 2:
                                      Comprehension really isn’t your strong suite, is it? If anyone is distorting Kiir’s words and perspective... it’s you. You tried -and failed- to argue that Kiir provided a caveat to the effect that he would hold Bashir responsible in the absence of an investigation. Kiir of course said no such thing, but you argued this point until it was no longer tenable.

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                                  • 12 May 2013 15:18, by Mohammed Ali 2

                                    Rommel, you should be glad long time ago, are you suffering from pre-senile amnesia .SEE what I wrote earlier, you can go back to it as " proof"(12 May 11:16, by Mohammed Ali 2
                                    Rommel,certainly I can’t get into the brain of any body, but ceratinly I can read all what Kiir said.It is true he accused Sudan, but you took half what he said.He said he will hold Sudan responsible) SEE the time !

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                                    • 12 May 2013 15:46, by Rommel

                                      Mohammed:
                                      Do you even know just what it is you’re arguing at this point? Because I don’t think you do. You claimed that Salva Kiir would hold Bashir responsible if the latter didn’t launch an investigation into the matter. I then informed you (so many times) that Salva Kiir said nothing about an investigation. Do you now understand? He merely wants the perpetrators to be bought to justice.

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                                      • 12 May 2013 15:53, by Rommel

                                        Are *you* really going to try to psychoanalyze me? You would fail freshman psychology in any accredited University, yet you keep babbling anyway. In this way - you ridicule yourself. You are incapable of understanding the most simplest of things. You can’t debate. You can’t read. You’re only good for laughs.

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                                        • 12 May 2013 16:11, by Mohammed Ali 2

                                          Rommel, no, am not going to psychoanalyze you, it will be extremely difficult.You can analyze all who come acroos u ,judge their perosnality & try to degrade them in your facinating arrogant way.I don’t do that.I discuss the topic only with full respect to the other opinion.Did you read this "It is true he accused Sudan.." this was my first response,go back again before expressing your gladness

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                                      • 12 May 2013 16:26, by Mohammed Ali 2

                                        Rommel,( Kiir of course said no such thing, but you argued this point until it was no longer tenable.) You ask me do I understand! I copy & past Sudant Tribune again"((“I hold the government of Sudan, especially president Bashir himself responsible if he fails to produce criminals and ensure that they are tried by the independent and competent court of law" he added.

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                                        • 12 May 2013 16:40, by Mohammed Ali 2

                                          Rommel." I then informed you (so many times) that Salva Kiir said nothing about an investigation." How arrogant you are! Here is the link in ST, Friday 10, may:http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article46516.....Read it again & again ? Didn’t Kiir mention court of law , DID HE? READ IT again .Did I invent anything? Isn’t it only copy & past of his words again & again & u failed to understand !

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                                          • 12 May 2013 16:51, by Mohammed Ali 2

                                            Rommel, here is the link http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article46516
                                            Read it & "sigh" and tell me about myopia and incapacitpy to read what others write! Did Kiir said what I told you many times.If you insisit , then tell Sudan Tribune that they are liers, because I just copy & past them.Have a very big *sigh*again...once more please & again, at least it might deflate your fictious arrogancy

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                                          • 12 May 2013 17:15, by Rommel

                                            Mohammed:
                                            You mistake by ability to read a piece of text without then interjecting words and concepts no therein present for arrogance. The article that you’re referring to cites Salva Kiir holding Bashir responsible if he doesn’t produce the criminals involved in this murder. The words investigate or *investigation* do not appear.

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                                            • 12 May 2013 17:27, by Rommel

                                              To launch an investigation and to apprehend criminals to appear before a court of law is not the same thing. If I at one point demand that you launch an investigation into a matter — and in another instance demand that you apprehend the criminals responsible... I wouldn’t be asking you of the same thing, would I? Do you not know the difference? To you it all sounds the same.

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                                              • 12 May 2013 17:42, by Rommel

                                                Prove to us that you are not as clueless as you appear to be, -explain the difference- between the two. I never disputed that Kiir mentioned the need to have criminals appear before a court of law, I did, however, dispute your assertion that Kiir said anything about an investigation. Cite the sentence where the word investigate or investigation appears. Can you do that?

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                                                • 12 May 2013 17:54, by Rommel

                                                  Your methods are not objective — more wishful thinking, and are pathetic attempts at sophistry, and are so easily debunked. Your position is completely ridiculous and no doubt sets the stage for many inane posts to follow. How can you not know the difference between calling for an investigation and demanding that the criminals involved appear before the court!?

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                                              • 12 May 2013 18:04, by Mohammed Ali 2

                                                Rommel, oh yeah, you are telling me ? Just the judicial will go to grab somebody and bring him to the court! Where does this happen? How would the courtproceed without investigations & evidence? Where on Earth you can go to court without prosecutors, police or any investigative organ investigate you even if you are caught red handed! How could you present evidence without investigations? HOW?

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                                                • 12 May 2013 18:19, by Rommel

                                                  Mohammed Ali 2:
                                                  Salva Kiir accused Khartoum of being involved in this murder and so therefore there is the implicit suggestion in Kiir’s words that the perpetrators are known to Khartoum, obviating the need of an investigation. If you accuse me of killing someone or of being involved in the murder... wouldn’t you expect that I would know all those who are involved!?

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                                                  • 12 May 2013 19:47, by Mohammed Ali 2

                                                    Rommel, are you cheating me or cheating yourself? Who will present the evidence to the judge? How could they they evidence without investigations? Are they going to ask at least their names? If they ask about their names, age, adress ..at least, don’t you call this investigation.Please show some respect to others , not me , other readers, they have brains too!

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                                                    • 12 May 2013 19:58, by Rommel

                                                      Mohammed Ali 2:
                                                      Salva Kiir accused your government of murder for a reason — you know who the operatives are. You know their names, rank address, age and so on. You have done nothing here short of simply projecting with a disheartening display like an ire infant, as an avenue to distract from your obvious intellectual shortcomings.

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                                                      • 12 May 2013 20:07, by Rommel

                                                        Assassinations and atrocities of this kind have been perpetrated by your governments before. Among those atrocities, the 1965 massacre of more than 200 civilians in Muglad and Babanusa and the 17 September 1970 assassination of the Ngok Paramount Chief Monyyak Deng (Deng Majok’s son and successor), together with five other members of his family by GoS army units were were particularly notorious.

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                                                        • 12 May 2013 20:14, by Rommel

                                                          Salva Kiir and everybody else here learns from history and understands that history has a habit of repeating itself, which is why I am correctly understood by anyone of intelligence and good faith, both of which you lack. knowledge is thinking on a higher level than you, which is why you are confused and cannot relate.

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                                                  • 12 May 2013 22:30, by Mohammed Ali 2

                                                    Rommel, common , give up! No court will listen to you if you donnot offer evidence, even if you caught somebody 100% red handed.The only UNIVERSAL way to provide evidence to a ourt of law is through INVESTIGATION , INTEROGATION whatever you call it.There is no other way even if you recorded his first name. This called INVESTIGATION.Period!

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                                                    • 12 May 2013 22:47, by Rommel

                                                      Mohammed Ali:
                                                      Give up!? LOL! We don’t exactly know who killed the Paramount Chief, but history is instructive... and based on what you people have done in the past, Salva Kiir is right to more than just suspect you... he has every right to accuse you of murder, as he has. I am quite certain that you’re privy to the names, designations, ranks, addresses and so on of all those involved.

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                                                      • 12 May 2013 22:55, by Rommel

                                                        What part of we’re laying this at your feet do you not understand? Knowing that you have done this to close to half a dozen other Paramount Chiefs during the war (s)... this obviates the need for you to launch an investigation that will surely remove any evidence incriminating the State.

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                                                        • 12 May 2013 23:03, by Rommel

                                                          Your State has no qualms with committing blood-curdling criminal acts of apocalyptic proportions — and like my State, it does not have an independent judiciary to speak of. How naïve do you think people are? Afford people with some modicum of respect. Your country is a known State supporter of terrorism and is responsible for the deaths of at least a quarter of a million people in Darfur.

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                                                          • 12 May 2013 23:18, by Rommel

                                                            Do you think the enumeration of all these vices and crimes at all inspires confidence? You can carry out a partial, dependent, flawed, carefully calibrated, face-saving and terribly compromised "investigation" if you so choose... but the perceptive among us will see beyond the veil. We don’t all have the minds of children. I know my enemy and history instructs me to be wary and on my guard.

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                          • 12 May 2013 13:36, by South South

                            Mohammed Ali 2,
                            You are a lair, tell us when did you kill Abdel Aziz Adam El-Hilu ? Do not just make big lies and think that you will just get away with it. El Hilu is entering Khartoum soon, let alone North Kordafen. Why they are forming Paramilitary in Khartoum now to protect Khartoum ? From who ? Very clear back people are taking war deep inside Sudan. Sleepless fake Arabs families.

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                          • 12 May 2013 13:37, by South South

                            Mohammed Ali 2,
                            You are a lair, tell us when did you kill Abdel Aziz Adam El-Hilu ? Do not just make big lies and think that you will just get away with it. El Hilu is entering Khartoum soon, let alone North Kordafen. Why they are forming Paramilitary in Khartoum now to protect Khartoum ? From who ? Very clear back people are taking war deep inside Sudan. Sleepless fake Arabs families.

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            • 12 May 2013 10:43, by Mohammed Ali 2

              CON:and the divison among them, particulary that there is no mutual love between him and the Abeyei gang & Garangs son. Macher is shrewed politican and takes his time to let them spoil things with Sudan and when he comes he will try and amend all the fences.Equatorians are clearing distanting themselves from this mess as they don’t want to be squashed under the feet of the big elephants....con

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              • 12 May 2013 10:56, by Mohammed Ali 2

                CON:we know who are the big elephants.They r clearly concerned about building a peacful,prosporous state concentrating on the welfare of the poor,starving pple of SS.They have alwayes distant themselves from Garangs son & their belligerent ideology of New Sudan.The Shuluk are keeping quite for the moment, but their feelings are towards the Equatorina with whom they would probably from an allianc.

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                • 12 May 2013 11:24, by Rommel

                  Mohammed:
                  You speak at great lengths regarding things you know little to nothing about. You’re a cretin of the worst kind. You constantly rail against people who have every right to oppose the occupation of their land. The prominent sons of Abyei are in your eyes and estimation apparently deserving of blame for having the gall of campaigning for the immediate implementation of the PCA ruling.

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                • 12 May 2013 13:35, by South South

                  Mohammed Ali 2,
                  You are a lair, tell us when did you kill Abdel Aziz Adam El-Hilu ? Do not just make big lies and think that you will just get away with it. El Hilu is entering Khartoum soon, let alone North Kordafen. Why they are forming Paramilitary in Khartoum now to protect Khartoum ? From who ? Very clear back people are taking war deep inside Sudan. Sleepless fake Arabs families.

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          • 12 May 2013 10:42, by LL Reuben

            Mohammed Ali2,
            What you’re implying here makes no sense whatsoever. Why on Earth would Pagan wanted Kiir to fail? This is your typical false assertion as always Mohammed; you think you know the entirety of what’s going on in RSS. Why don’t you do something about the obvious situation engaging your country currently where rebels are closing in from all directions?

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            • 12 May 2013 11:35, by Mohammed Ali 2

              Ruben , Pagan had expressed his willingness to be the top man the head of the SPLA.It is not a secret and it was published here in Sudan Tribune at least twice.The question remain is he capable of that? Who is pushing him & supporting him? It is clearly that he is getting the support of The Abeyei gang who would like to be behind the seen and not to act as working anti-Dinka...con

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              • 12 May 2013 11:46, by Mohammed Ali 2

                Reupen , con: They are getting the support of Garang’s widow.They are right now blocking decisions taken by KIIR within the political bureau of the SPLA.More-over who was behind the coup? Who was behind the assasination attempt? Do we know? Why were these events were so murky? Why did Kiir send Tellar Deng , who was sacked by Abeyei son’s from the central government in Khartoum, to negotiate ....c

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                • 12 May 2013 11:53, by Mohammed Ali 2

                  Reuben,con: with the rebels in Nairobi.Why not Pagan? Abeyei son’s cannot live in SS, they want to control it by remote control & siphone the loooooooted money to Australia.This why they work behind the curtains, as there is no much love to them in SS even among Dinka and many S.Sudanese consider them as N.Sudanese.Their arrogance is not palatable to the ordinary S.Sudanese.

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                • 12 May 2013 11:56, by Mohammed Ali 2

                  Reuben,con: with the rebels in Nairobi.Why not Pagan? Abeyei son’s cannot live in SS, they want to control it by remote control & siphone the loooooooted money to Australia.This why they work behind the curtains, as there is no much love to them in SS even among Dinka and many S.Sudanese consider them as N.Sudanese.Their arrogance is not palatable to the ordinary S.Sudanese.

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              • 12 May 2013 11:49, by Rommel

                Mohammed Ali:
                Do you have any substantive evidence that what you derisively refer to as the "Abyei gang" is indeed supporting Pagan in his apparent bid for Sovereign leadership? You provide no evidence, no sources for what are essentially just congenial presuppositions. Please provide evidence. Failure to do so will just anneal our already grim picture of your lack of integrity and honesty.

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                • 12 May 2013 12:09, by Mohammed Ali 2

                  Rommel, what evidence you want? Tape recorder of a meeting? Are you kidding yourself? Just look who stand together in the last meetings of the SPLA political bureau and see who was standing against Kiir.Apparently Pagan is part of Garang’s son & you know who are there.They are smart enough not to appear to divide Dinka with whom they don’t have common bonding feelings since their ....con

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                  • 12 May 2013 12:16, by Mohammed Ali 2

                    Rommel, con:" or your father" Deng Majok separated himself from the rest of S.Sudanese for almost a century ago.In Addis Abbaba agreement Francis Deng prefered Abyei to remain in NS and called it " the melting pot of Sudan"For a century the have nothing to do with SS.They spak better Arabic than many N.Sudanese and they lived only part of their childhood in SS .

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                  • 12 May 2013 12:17, by Rommel

                    Mohammed Ali 2:
                    I’ll take this as a salient admission that you have no evidence of any kind and that you’re making it all up as you go along. Your incoherent railings against this fact are so rendered futile, if entertaining.

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                    • 12 May 2013 12:31, by Rommel

                      *Sigh*, where do I even begin. Just how many times must I reaffirm to you that the incredibly naïve and myopic Deng Majok had no hand in the transfer of Abyei from Bahr el Ghazal to Kordofan in 1905? Abyei was *transferred* to Kordofan by the Condominium government - and not by any of the leaders of Abyei when Arop Biong (the father of Deng Majok) was Paramount chief.

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                      • 12 May 2013 12:34, by Rommel

                        Deng Majok only succeeded his father in 1943. Prior to the exit of the British from Sudan, Deng Majok was afforded the choice to either rejoin Bahr el Ghazal or remain in Kordofan... .. and needless to say he disastrously chose Kordofan over Bahr el Ghazal in 1951.

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                        • 12 May 2013 12:40, by Rommel

                          The Ngok of Abyei speak the Dinka language as their mother tongue and still practice all the essential elements of Dinka culture. The Jok-Ngok are Dinka through and through and are just a stone’s throw away from other Dinka sections in Bahr el Ghazal and greater Upper Nile, whereas the Misseriya are to the very far north of the Jok-Ngok in Muglad and Babanusa.

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                          • 12 May 2013 12:50, by Mohammed Ali 2

                            Rommel, you are just confirming what I said , but you consider it as disastour! He choosed to join the Messeria in Kordofan you said it all.It is not me who said that they are not S.Sudanese, it has been said to them in SS,even at the level of the ministers cabinet! Do you need a proof or evidence for that?

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                            • 12 May 2013 13:06, by Rommel

                              Mohammed Ali:
                              Your incapacity to read what others write, and then concluding that your opponents are vindicating you is what makes you a joke. The Ngok of Abyei did not wish or decide to remain in Kordofan in 1951 — Deng Majok made that decision for them, without their approval. In fact, one of his sons was so angered by this that he left his father’s fold with followers of his own.

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                    • 12 May 2013 12:43, by Mohammed Ali 2

                      Rommel, do that please I dont have any evidence. I didn’t attend any meeting with the Abyei gang, Pagan , SPLA and my secret video camera was not working well and the telphone tapping records were lost or were malfunctioning is it " Watergate" No I dont have evidence and I cant have evidence. But you will ever fail to say that all what what I said is happening!

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                      • 12 May 2013 13:26, by Rommel

                        Mohammed Ali 2:
                        I must commend you for being capable of sarcasm of this sort, even though you’ve just admitted to being intellectual dishonest — a blithering fool. The prominent sons of Abyei are in your mind’s eye a sinister cabal, essentially because they call for the immediate implementation of the 2009 PCA ruling on Abyei, which your government doggedly refuses to implement.

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              • 12 May 2013 11:52, by LL Reuben

                Mohammed Ali 2,
                Even if Pagan crystallized his desire for top leadership Mohammed he would never sabotage Kiir on the expenses of South Sudanese. I want you to pay extra attention to what is unfolding in your country. Spent your time and energy thinking about what your NIF need done to quell the immense dire situation your country is in please, that will be a better time spent...

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                • 12 May 2013 12:02, by LL Reuben

                  You’ve more than proven to us over times that you lack any clues of the stories you’re insinuating on this forum. Fairy-tales and things of that nature don’t amount to reality, and I can understand the need of appeasing your enormous egos but other than that your stories or should I say ‘insights” on RSS affairs are comical at best.

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                  • 12 May 2013 12:24, by Mohammed Ali 2

                    Reuben, common ! They only thing which I proved to you is that Pagan is contessting again his President. I believe you are intelligent enough to make your own deductions, when see somebody stands against his Boss!Pagan is Shuluk, where he doesn’t get too much support. So from where does have the courage & support to stand against his Boss? Think it over and don’t tell me!

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                    • 12 May 2013 13:00, by LL Reuben

                      Mohammed Ali 2,
                      If insinuating hearsays and false assumption has became a preference for being considered intelligent; then I shall decline the offer delightfully, and not be considered intelligent. You’ve been asked several queries but are adamant or reluctant to answer them. Why is that Mr. intelligent?...

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                      • 12 May 2013 13:07, by LL Reuben

                        I’ve suggested few things you should pay more attention to but you haven’t response to any of them in respect of their significant importance. Now tell me exactly where are we going in this tail-chasing debate...if not please refrain from it all together, you’re exhausting Rommel’s expertise without appreciating since you won’t admit to facts and aren’t thrilled to learn.

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                        • 12 May 2013 15:57, by Mohammed Ali 2

                          Reuben, the facts are:1-Pagan stood against his boss 2- He, Abyei & Garang’s son with the support of Garang’s widow opposed Kiir proposals,obstructed them threatend him to cross the "red line 3-There is a very aggressive power struggle in Juba which lead Equatorians to organise themselves & call for peacful cnotess while the r dtermined not to be squashed like grass in the elephants war !

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    • 12 May 2013 13:34, by South South

      Mohammed Ali 2,
      You are a lair, tell us when did you kill Abdel Aziz Adam El-Hilu ? Do not just make big lies and think that you will just get away with it. El Hilu is entering Khartoum soon, let alone North Kordafen. Why they are forming Paramilitary in Khartoum now to protect Khartoum ? From who ? Very clear back people are taking war deep inside Sudan. Sleepless fake Arabs families.

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      • 12 May 2013 19:15, by Nuer Empire

        Yeah,a Dinka man emptied beers with her sisters and brothers.

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      • 12 May 2013 21:24, by Oppressor

        You ’ve gone mad South South ...

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        • 12 May 2013 21:37, by Nuer Empire

          Oppressor:You are mad and you wanna oppress the people of South Sudan with your madness.

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  • 12 May 2013 15:18, by Rommel

    LL Reuben:
    I am so very glad that incisive, perceptive and intelligent people like you are present to sort out the likes of Mohammed and disabuse them of their many delusions. I can assure you that it’s working — even if they don’t readily admit to it. Thank you so very much, brother. Please keep it up.

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  • 12 May 2013 17:29, by Mike General

    Failures always wonder, knowing no where to go, our president now got confused in the middle,lacking peace of mind due to insecurities in the country. One of his second major problem was the collapsing of SPLM party and other corrupted office manager who stolen his money. Generals are being ambushed and the rubbers will advance to Bill Pam soon to get the rid of Gathoth and later we proceed to hi

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    • 12 May 2013 23:32, by Dinkawarrior

      Look what they’re are saying now? And this is what we have been telling Mr. Cowboy not to opened Oil pipeline into Khartoum, they got their Military budgets out of our Oil and they’re starting those activities. Nobody will trust Kiir no more, he brought shame to our country. He says this today and that tomorrow without action, remember when he said South Sudan’s Oil will be transport with trailer

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      • 12 May 2013 23:46, by Dinkawarrior

        Into different places then changed his mind within a second and want signed those fake agreements. The Abyei children have terrorized under his watches while he busy with Alcohol in Juba. Kiir’s failure has a lot effect on us and he to keep in mind that 2015 is going to be a last game for him and his Vice Dr. Traitor Holocaust Machar. They’re fight for leadership instead of serving our interests.

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  • 13 May 2013 03:12, by Akoch A. Magardit

    I think it’s time for South Sudan to base any compliant or dispute on relevant and legitimate laws or acts especially when dealing with North Sudan. The main issue deteriorating the relations between the 2 countries is rebel support from either side. This must be dealt with so that things can operate in a normal atmosphere. We both know that war will never solve our problems or reunify Sudan.

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  • 13 May 2013 08:58, by cbuongdit cholkua

    Those Iguanas always make empty accusations over South Sudan for nothing.I would never blame nobody else rather than blaming Sudan Tribune for all these trivial lies.In order for us to have fructify relationship with Sudan,SudanTribune needs to be kicks out of South Sudan because it’s here as Spy Agent for our neighbor Sudan.They always report negative things on S.S.

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