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October 4, 2012 (JUBA) - Thousands of South Sudanese in the state of Northern Bahr el Ghazal on Thursday turned out to stage a peaceful demonstration and subsequently submitted a petition to President Salva Kiir Mayardit, declaring their total objection to categorization and demilitarization of the 14 Mile area as a buffer zone.

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A picture taken on October 4, 2012 shows protesters holding placards against an agreement reached in Addis Ababa about 14 miles (photo by NBGS ministry of information)

"Your Excellency, we, the Aweil community would like to register our categorical rejection to Khartoum’s claim our land now being referred to as 14 mile. 14 mile has never existed in our history or in the Comprehensive Peace Agreement (CPA)," the petition seen by Sudan Tribune on Thursday reads in part.

The petitioners argued that they will never relinquish their claim over the area, expressing determination to defend it as it was the case with their ancestors.

"Our grand fathers defended our land with spears and arrows throughout history, and therefore, we, the Aweil community, would also like to clearly state that, we will never ever relinquish an inch of our land to the North based on their unfounded claims, the letter adds.

After a deadlock on the issue of 14 miles, Sudan agreed to include the disputed area in a demilitarised zone Khartoum and Juba accepted as part of security arrangements aiming to prevent future clashes between the two countries.

Initially Khartoum categorically refused the inclusion of 14 miles in the buffer zone and refused to endorse the map proposed by the African Union mediation since November 2011.

Sudanese government refers to a deal struck by the British governors of Darfur and Bahr el-Ghazal provinces giving the giving the ownership of the grazing land to Darfur to reward the pastoralists Rezeigat for their role in the annexation of Darfur to Sudan in 1917.

The area is disputed by Rezeigat and Malwal Dinka since the 18th century.

Mayuol Diing, Secretary General of South Sudan’s governing Sudan People’s Liberation Movement (SPLM) youth wing office in the state, said in an interview with Sudan Tribune that the youth would never accept any claim which Sudan lays over the area.

"This is where I come. I was born and raised in this area. It has never been part of Darfur. So our message to our central government and the mediators is that the area is part and parcel of Northern Bahr el Ghazal and will it will remain part of it even if a decision is taken to withdraw the national army from the area," Diing told Sudan Tribune from Aweil town, capital of the state.

The youth leader explained that their borders with Darfur are known and that their relations with neigbours including Rezeigat and Misseriya should never be politicized to create stability and social harmony between the two communities.

"We know where our boundary lines meet. Our borderline meets in Lol Apat, Rum mamer, Yiith Anoon, Magak Anok, Majok Diing, Bulich, Kur chum, Mamer Korok, Mabior Ngor Tong, Pan Their Akol Mariel, Maker Lual Dau, Loki, Yak Lual, Manger Deng Yel, Mabior Yathdit, Awou just to name but few. All these areas are on the other side of Kiir River," he explained.

Daniel Akol Diing, chief whip at the state Legislative Assembly stated also that negotiators on behalf of the government of South Sudan at the talks had little knowledge about the area.

"Actually the area has never been part of Darfur. Our border with Darfur is more than 36 miles northward of Kiir River. So our negotiators are innocent. They do not know our borders with Rezigat," Diing tool Sudan Tribune asking that representatives from the area be included in the next round of talks.

According to a deal reached in Addis Ababa, Southern Sudanese forces will be withdrawan from the area, and a tribal mechanism will be tasked with the management of administrative affairs.

Kuot Jel Akoon, a former state minister of physical infrastructure also protested the deal and explained south of Kiir River extends to Gokmachar, an administrative headquarters of Aweil North County.

"If by any chance the agreement is effected and the police is withdrawn from that County, I want all of us to imagine how will that County function? How will the population of Makem, Duluit Bol, Korok, Duluit Tem, up to Lou Aguer living within 14 miles be protected," Akoon asked in a statement on Thursday.

He further explained that area has never been made as a "no man land" and that Rezeigat and Misseriya were only given access to pastures because all the communities in the formerly united Sudan could not be denied pastures.

He gave example of a case in which cattle owners in the state moves with their cows in search and water and pastures in neigbouring states.

"When some communities in Abiem and Paliet in Aweil and South take their herds to Apuk in Warrap state wet land for grazing during drought period, does it make Northern Bhar el Ghazal people a right over Toic (swampy area in Apuk," he asked

Deng Thiep Akok, former commissioner of Aweil North and native of the area said he would never buy any claim over the area and that that was why it has never been part of any discussion even during the comprehensive peace agreement.

"I actually do not understand how the area came to be part of current discussions in Ethiopia because there has never a complaint about it. Rezigat knows it very well that the area belongs to north Bahr el Ghazal. This is why they always send a message seeking approval of the local chiefs to come with their cattle whenever it is a dry season," explained Akok

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  • 5 October 2012 08:15, by NO PEACE

    Yes, Yes no agreement b/n two countries over miles 14.

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    • 5 October 2012 09:01, by Tata

      My friend you are mad. Who sent Abyei people to Kordofan, Northern Sudan? Is it not greed for food? Now food is drying up fron Kordofan and they want to turn to South Sudan for more food.
      Let them remain there so one of them shall become President of Sudan one day. What is wrong with ngok Dinka being Sudanese? Let’s not wasting time talking nonesense! More than one hundred yrs Ngok Dinka are

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      • 5 October 2012 09:06, by Tata

        Northern Sudanese. When did them become Southerners? I am happy with Nuba and Funji. They fought liberation war and did not cliam to be Southers. Don’t love food, but want food. Leave us alone food-lovers!

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      • 5 October 2012 12:44, by Kurnyeil The Junior

        This is how you motherfucker of south Sudan will acknowledge the wisdom and wise of Dinka Bor, thank God they are not negotiating on this issues, otherwise they will trick us like the trick our leaders during the CPA, want Garang die, we knew it that these ppl will be our bitches something they are doing right, thank you for get rid of Bor Dinkas,Amen.

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        • 5 October 2012 15:00, by Monyjang

          Hello greedy and big mouth Dinka Bor,how come you claim dinka bor are doing good while you don,t have home to live during the war.you guys move to the refugee camp,and dinka malual where been there the begining end of the war.you just leave your home to small community nuer lou.this is our land we fought for.

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          • 6 October 2012 00:35, by Dhalaluaak

            Monyjang,
            Don’t be stupid.open your eyes deeply to see who is commenting.Kurnyiel is a northerner if you are new here.He said Dr.Garang the wise man from Bor trick our leaders during the CPA.If he was here he would have trick us again and finish us.Thank you for getting rid of BorDinkas[ Garang ].please read his comment one more time then comment with mature understandings.Dinka Bor are innocent h

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            • 6 October 2012 05:48, by Hardball

              Well-done Dhalaluaak, people like Monyjang just look at the name and make judgment. They don’t have any shred of an IQ to comprehend the content of the text. Just because the monkey is on the pilot seat doesn’t mean you can call it a pilot! Just because he read and write doesn’t mean he is not an idiot.

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    • 5 October 2012 10:28, by Martin Muong

      The deal made by our leaders will take us back to war. Therefore, The people of Mading Aweil should clinch their teeth and fight with tooth and nail to protect their territory from annexation. We will not condone those who have signed this deal that annexes our territory to North Sudan. Land is not something that can be sold for the sake of peace. "We were born to bring our enemies to our knees".

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      • 5 October 2012 15:06, by Monyjang

        YES MARTIN,we will fight for ,no doubt about that brother.whether the sign it or not, we never leave our land to any unless we where not there.

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    • 5 October 2012 16:29, by Lual Ngor Lual

      Dear brothers keep it up. Your land will never be taken just because some SPLM officers including the so called chief negotiator Pangan Amum are bought by Khartoum. If Pagan want to sell any land, then let him sell the land of his granfathers. They think that they are avoiding the war, but they are initiating more war.

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      • 5 October 2012 22:22, by Bolman

        in your faces no duobt about who will questionniare kiir and pangan

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        • 5 October 2012 22:50, by dad1

          Let Kiir and Pagan sold that 14 miles, we are going to faced it together, as southerner will not not and not allow 14 miles to be taken by traders, we better die for it.
          As youth we are ready for any action. We are not concerning about evil paper call money.

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    • 27 November 2012 10:38, by nartwqa

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  • 5 October 2012 08:19, by omoni jr.

    To me, these people spoke out the truth,meanwhile they are residing at the border and we expect them to benefit from so called four freedoms, Salva Kiir and his chief of thieves Pagan Amum sold 14 miles and other areas out to N sudan for the oil to be pumped out and money come in.

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    • 5 October 2012 09:39, by Jalaby

      omoni jr,
      You’re right my friend, people from both sides who reside in the border no doubt will benefit the most from this agreement, these people live together in harmony for 100 of years and their interests and life are so mix and becomes impossible to separate them, what chief Deng Majoke and Messerya leader Babo Nemer agreed long time ago for Abyei is

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      • 5 October 2012 09:53, by Jalaby

        the only solution and no other solution, it’s really shameful that our current politicians failed to solve Abyei problem while those two leaders solved it long long time ago and their both nations lived in harmony for quite long time!
        the huge interest, mix and interference life between the north & south are so deep and overlap the political vessels and can’t be contained there!

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        • 5 October 2012 12:53, by Ruach

          Jallaby,Mohamed Ali and Northern Sudanese: This year,we will secure ourselves from the parasites called Messirya.They are very much destructive to our environment especially the forest resources where we get our gums which they named gum Arabic!Do they have forests to name a gums mainly from Acacia indica?No

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          • 5 October 2012 13:34, by Kurnyeil The Junior

            This is how you motherfucker of south Sudan will acknowledge the wisdom and wise of Dinka Bor, thank God they are not negotiating on this issues, otherwise they will trick us just like Garang trick our leaders during the CPA, want Garang die, we knew it that these ppl will be our bitches something they are doing right, thank you for get rid of Bor Dinkas,Amen.

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            • 5 October 2012 15:17, by Peacocktail

              Look at this Big Fool calls Kurnyiel, He should be support of Blind Devil spiritual leader call YAU MUr,
              Dinka Bor is not South Sudan, CPA was negotiated by South Sudanese and northerners alike NOT late Dr.John Garang alone as it had happen now. Two Presidents should comes to inked the Agreement but not to negiotiate for disputed areas. This useless old \southafrccan man must bear blames on esca

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          • 5 October 2012 16:46, by mohammed ali

            Rauch & others,you pple talk about a war which you will never fight.You will NEVER EVER come back to SS to fight any war.Don’t lie to yourselves saying that you are in SS.You were are writting your notes when there was no single electricity volt coming out in the city.After all SS can’t fight any war now.Who will fight? SSudanese will never fight any war under the command of these theieves.

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  • 5 October 2012 08:35, by Northern Sudanese

    blah blah blah keep crying as much as you like pussies, whats done is done and 14 mile is not going to be part of the shitole where there is no food, electricity , roads , schools , clean water ect....
    and don’t forget, north is hell for you people .so stay in your so called heaven :D your welcomed by ncp but not by us :)

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    • 5 October 2012 09:02, by Junta

      Northern Sudanese
      Is it acceptable in your religion to steal, rob and blatantly lay false claim on other peoples properties? Mile 14 is never northern Territory! Please claim your land in Arabian Peninsula in the Name of Islam and your God but not African Dinka Land! Shame on you! You are a disgrace to Arab race and Islam Religion!

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      • 5 October 2012 10:31, by mohammed ali

        junta, it is not acceptable; but who is stealing. Actually mile 14 lies on the border of Sudan since the 18th century. We like it or not the borders were layed down by Britain. The first thing we accepted in the CPA is to accept what the British did.Now, let negotiators negotiate & each to bring his documents, each will take his peacfully.

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        • 5 October 2012 10:33, by mohammed ali

          Let us not repeat what happened in Higlig.Many pple diesd unnecessarly and it is not now even included and was not initially included in the disputed areas!

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          • 5 October 2012 17:05, by Rommel

            Mohammed Ali:
            There you go again, being absolutely ignorant and lying, as usual. It’s hilarious and just a tad sad. The Munro-Wheatley agreement was signed in 1924 — that would make it an agreement of the 20th Century - not the 18th. If you’re going to lie, if you’re going to distort - please put a little effort into it. Try to come off marginally knowledgeable.

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            • 5 October 2012 17:08, by Rommel

              The colonial Munroe-Wheatley agreement did not confer outright ownership of this *Dinka land* to the Rizeigat. The Munro-Wheatley agreement did not sanction a formal border adjustment or transfer to the Darfur province, but was merely intended to harmonise the grazing and land use rights of the two groups.

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              • 5 October 2012 20:00, by mohammed ali

                Luka, as usual arrogant who thinks that he is only one person who knows something about everything, though lying and saying that he is 22 years old brought up in Ethiopia and a western-country!He knowes the details of agreements & disputes more than the delegates of SS and he is not Luka.If you look at the date which I put in you will see the excat date which is 22/4/1924....con

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                • 5 October 2012 20:28, by Rommel

                  Mohammed Ali:
                  You are never going to let go of this little flight of fancy, are you? You seem determined on clinging to the laughable theory that I am somehow Luka Biong under a pseudonym, conversing with you on a regular basis for God’s know why. Why o’ why did it have to be you with your considerable skills of deduction that finally unraveled and unmasked my secret identity!?

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                  • 5 October 2012 20:46, by Rommel

                    Damn it, you’ve tempered and thwarted all my plans. You’re so very clever. How will I ever go on!? I feel like such a ninny right now. I feel the need to explain things to you in rich detail, so please do forgive me for pointing out that this is me being sardonic.

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                • 5 October 2012 20:34, by mohammed ali

                  con: so where is the lie? Rizegat were there since the 18th century and the dispute was there and hence the agreement in 1918 and then 1924.What you say is your interpretation of the agreement.It was one country , but this was where the authority of.It specifically determin Dar Rizegat and since 1924 in the British maps it appears as part of Darfur.These are facts!

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                  • 5 October 2012 21:02, by Rommel

                    As usual, you’re being bedeviled by a complete lack of reasoning, logic and reading comprehension. You quite obscenely claimed that mile 14 has been part of Dar Rizegat since the 18th Century and that Dar Rizegat actually use to extend 32 miles south until the British limited this to just 14 miles — a laughable take on history that you posit without a shred of supporting documentation.

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                    • 5 October 2012 21:17, by Rommel

                      The 1918 Savile-Burges-Watson agreement permitted the Rizegat to graze 40 miles within the territory of the Malual Dinka. When the Dinka duly opposed this "agreement" that gave the Rizegat such unfettered licensed to graze on Dinka land that far south, it was then revised, reduced and limited to 14 miles in the subsequent Munroe-Wheatley agreement of 1924.

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                      • 5 October 2012 21:36, by Rommel

                        The Rizegat did not have any settlements in mile 14 at the time of the Munroe-Wheatley agreement. The Munroe-Wheatley agreement was specifically designed to allow the Rizegat, who the British were attempting to woo as allies, greater access to the rich grazing lands just south of the river and ostensibly reduce conflict between them and the Malwal Dinka who inhabited the area.

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              • 5 October 2012 20:08, by Rommel

                Let’s entertain your unfounded belief that the Munroe-Wheatley agreement did in fact sanction a formal border adjustment; that the Governors of Bahr el Ghazal and Darfur, who were both foreigners, took land from the Dinka and then gave it to the Rizeigat. How could the Dinka, who would understandably and naturally oppose the annexation of their lands be then considered engaging in stealing!?

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                • 5 October 2012 21:00, by mohammed ali

                  Luka, who are the foreigners? Darfurians? Well, could also say that branches of the Massai who entered Sudan from Kenya are also foreigners!I have answered somebody who was talking about stealing and I asked who is stealing? The Darfurians and the Daju were present there centuries ago.That they mixed with other tribes is not a crime, otherwise we can call you Arab, Dr. Luka!

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                  • 5 October 2012 21:50, by Rommel

                    You’ve left me aghast, Mohammed. I can’t believe that you’ve managed to muddle and misunderstand such a simple sentence. I was referring to the Governors of both Bahr el Ghazal and Darfur, who were both British. I knew that your reading comprehension was virtually non-existent, but you’ve now revealed that it’s infinitely worst than I thought.

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                    • 5 October 2012 21:56, by Rommel

                      No tribe in South Sudan is a branch of the Masaai. You have been repeating this distortion of history over and over again without so much as a shred of evidence; the Masai and the Samburu migrated out of the Nile valley into Tanzania and Kenya in the 15th century. You are essentially attempting to reverse the migratory path that was followed by the Nilotics.

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                      • 5 October 2012 21:58, by Rommel

                        The origins of the Nilotics are to be found solely in the Nile Valley - and nowhere else. Why don’t you cite just one reputable historian that postulates or has affirmed a Kenyan, Tanzanian or a general southern origin for the various Nilotics tribes that exist in South Sudan. I don’t want histrionics or empty rhetoric. I want evidence. Please provide the evidence, right now!

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                        • 5 October 2012 22:08, by Rommel

                          Let’s get back to the issue at hand, Mohammed > your ceaseless, shameless lies on matters you know absolutely NOTHING about. On matters you don’t dare delve into with an objective mind. Allow me to quote the Munroe-Wheatley agreement for your benefit. Please READ *SLOWLY* - and re-read for a 2nd time, a 3rd time, a 4th time... however many times you need to avoid embarrassment:

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                          • 5 October 2012 22:20, by Rommel

                            The Arabs have general permission to enter the Western District Bahr El Ghazal Province to water and graze their cattle, between the river SOPO on the East and the river SHELEIKA on the West, and North of a line approximately twenty miles South of the river UMBELACHA.

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                            • 5 October 2012 22:21, by Rommel

                              The Arabs have permission to enter the Western District Bahr El Ghazal to hunt, provided they keep to the West of a line drawn from Sahafa on the Bahr El Arab to the junction of the rivers SOPO and BORO, and are in possession of a permit in English from the Nazir of their tribe. They must also obtain permission from the local chief in whose country they wish to hunt (DR.P/66-B-45).

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        • 5 October 2012 14:12, by Junta

          Mohammad and Northern Sudanese
          If it is not acceptable in your religion to steal, loot and falsely laying claims or envy other people’s property, then you should stop claiming 14 miles. There was no agreement drawn by Bristish that give ownership of that land to Rezeigat fake Arabs. Grazing right dose not translate to ownership of the land! You already surrendered your land in Arabian Peninsula!

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          • 5 October 2012 16:34, by mohammed ali

            Junta, there is an agreement signed in 22/4/ 1924 by the British, Rizigat & Denka Mulwal representatives.Actually this agreement reduced the the extension of Dar Rizegat from 32 miles to 14 miles.This is easy to prove. As I said everone to bring his documents, and not to repeat Higlig mistake which is now out of the disputed aresa.People died for NOTHING, and SS is going to pay compensation for it

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            • 5 October 2012 17:18, by Rommel

              There is something strangely affable about you, that I can’t quite put my finger on; I mean you’re unbelievably ignorant, you constantly lie, embellish, exaggerate, routinely try to distort and disfigure the historical narrative... but I can’t help but laugh in hysterics. Your laughable attempts at deception are similar to when a child lies or swears...

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              • 5 October 2012 17:26, by Rommel

                .. because as an adult, you’re expected to correct, admonish and discipline the child — but their pitiful attempts at being wily are just so damn cute. Allow me to get serious with you again, for the purpose of correcting you again — as usual.

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                • 5 October 2012 17:37, by Rommel

                  Please know that I am being terribly kind when I say that you’re not good at history, because the alternative to this pronouncement is that you’re purposely distorting the historical facts. The Munro-Wheatley agreement did not reduce "the extension of Dar Rizegat from 32 miles to 14 miles."

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                  • 5 October 2012 17:52, by Rommel

                    The Munroe-Wheatley agreement was preceded by yet another colonial "agreement" — the Savile-Burges-Watson agreement of 1918; an "agreement" that permitted the Rizeigat to *graze* 40 miles south of the Kiir river in Dinka Malual territory. The Dinka were not at all happy with this colonial dictate and so a meeting was convened - a meeting that resulted in the Munroe-Wheatley agreement,

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                    • 5 October 2012 18:09, by Rommel

                      that then redefined the extent of the area that the Rizeigat were allowed to *graze* on in this Dinka land from what the Savile-Burges-Watson agreement had previously afforded them, which was 40 miles south of the Kiir river — to just 14 miles in the Munroe-Wheatley agreement of 1924.

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                      • 5 October 2012 18:15, by Rommel

                        Your apparent regard for the 1956 border is intriguing. You do realise that the Kafia Kingi enclave and Hofat en Nahas were veritably within the borders of southern Sudan until they were annexed to Darfur in 1960!? I provided a government gazette on this very matter and you still insisted on making claims on Kafia Kingi & Hofrat en Nahas.

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                        • 5 October 2012 18:17, by Rommel

                          Despite your tiresome, hypocritcal and self-righteous, reproval speeches on the borders of 1956...you seem to have absolutely no problems with your government’s continual occupation of lands that were part of what is now South Sudan from the days of the Condominium up until the essential date of 1956.

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                          • 5 October 2012 18:18, by Rommel

                            You people seem to only evoke indeterminate or approximate maps ostensibly pertaining to the 1956 border (s) when its expedient and display complete disregard when it simply doesn’t suite you. You appeal to the 1956 border as if it has been respected by your government, when it clearly has not to anyone with any morsel of discernment.

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                            • 5 October 2012 18:30, by Rommel

                              I want to ask you a very pertinent question: Do *you* think that your Government should return the Kafia Kingi enclave and Hofrat en Nahas [14, 000km2 in total] to South Sudan, due to the demonstrable fact that it was part of southern Sudan from the time of the Condominium up until 1961 when it was annexed to Darfur by Ibrahim Abboud? Do you support the return of Kafia Kingi?

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                              • 5 October 2012 18:42, by Rommel

                                As for your drivel on "Heglig": A response to your constant attacks was certainly necessary, but the manner in which that self-defensive maneuver was executed by Generals and senior Government officials is unforgivable and death-deserving, because it required a comprehensive air defence able to protect our troops from being attacked from the air in their operations in the theater of war.

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                                • 5 October 2012 18:44, by Rommel

                                  There is a wealth of documented evidence regarding the demographic character of "Heglig"; sources on the matter include the then UN Special Rapporteur -Leonardo Franco- who in 1999 reported on the widespread displacement of Aliiny’s population:

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                                  • 5 October 2012 18:47, by Rommel

                                    "As recently as May 1999, many villages on the eastern edge of Heglig were attacked and burned to the ground by the Sudanese army, causing the displacement of some 1,000-2,000 civilians."

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                                    • 5 October 2012 18:48, by Rommel

                                      This is what the coalition of international justice wrote in its 2006 report on Heglig and the surrounding area:
                                      .."beginning half way through the dry season of 1991-2 and restarting in November 1992, (and continuing through the whole of the dry season of 1992-3) government forces together with Arab murahaleen allies began an offensive of looting, burning and abduction,

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                                      • 5 October 2012 18:50, by Rommel

                                        resulting in the destruction of at least 57 hamlets in the Heglig area."
                                        The irrefutable, insurmountable, persistent and documented truth is this: "Heglig" belongs to the Ruweng Dinka; this was true when the British found us at Keilak (Alel) [70km North of "Heglig"] in 1902; this was true when the former UN Special Rapporteur documented and reported the displacement of the Ruweng in 1999...

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                                        • 5 October 2012 18:51, by Rommel

                                          . and this will still be true when the ignorant, immoral, corrupt, treasonous, death-deserving cretins in Juba are gone. I take refuge and consolation in the fact that *ALL* of them are unspeakably dumb as they are unbelievably corrupt... which will make it that much easier to remove these blind and dumb animals from the political arena.

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                                          • 5 October 2012 18:56, by Rommel

                                            We will reclaim every inch of our lands after we remove these wretched sheep. That they did not honor their commitments to the people of South Sudan in general and the dispossessed Ruweng of "Heglig" in particular in the recent talks, is not at all surprising; it will not define, determine or bridle the incumbent duty, mission and task upon true patriots to reclaim the lands of their forefathers!

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                                • 5 October 2012 22:54, by mohammed ali

                                  Luka, stop it! You said Heglig is yours and will never return! Where is it now? Where is it? See what an arrogant, useless inconciderant creatue.." a response to...bla..bla.." A response which led to the death of more than 2000 human being " counted by red cross" is just to satisfy yourselfish ego? What sort of human being you are? For how long you want pple to fight , while u r raised in Europe?!

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                                  • 5 October 2012 23:39, by Rommel

                                    I am an inconsiderate creature am I? The Coalition of International Justice said this in 2006: .."beginning half way through the dry season of 1991-2 and restarting in November 1992, (and continuing through the whole of the dry season of 1992-3) government forces together with Arab murahaleen allies began an offensive of looting, burning and abduction,

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                                    • 5 October 2012 23:47, by Rommel

                                      resulting in the destruction of at least 57 hamlets in the Heglig area." Were the Arab murahaleen that displaced the Ruweng Dinka from "Heglig" considerate!? Is it not supreme arrogance that has one group of people violently displace another group of people from their homelands!?

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                                      • 5 October 2012 23:58, by Rommel

                                        Don’t paraphrase the casualty estimates of actors of international significance, direct me to the primary source. You have a checkered history of distorting the pronouncements, judgments and positions of organizations such as the Red Cross, and so I don’t regard anything that you say [without a source] as authoritative.

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                          • 5 October 2012 22:26, by mohammed ali

                            Luka,...tiresome , hypocritical & self-righteous...bla..Where did I talk about my or your charcter?Count how many word you talked about my personality? Is going to make you right or "self-righteous"? You have a big..big problem , you better seek help now before any further deterioration.All what is my opinion, asking pple to bring their documents and each to what is his right....con

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                            • 5 October 2012 22:34, by mohammed ali

                              Luka, what is wrong with that? You left the topic and started ranting about me in a typical hysterical way as you admit.You are just revealing what complexes are boiling inside you. I can’t help you. I will repeat, each to bring his papers , solve the problems no need for war.You will never EVER come to fight any war! You kill yourself alone one day, if you don’t seek help NOW!Go to bed!

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                              • 5 October 2012 22:47, by mohammed ali

                                Luka,you ranted about Higlig the same way Thousands died for Nothing!Where is Higlig now?It is not on the negotiation table.Is that right? Is that right? Did you come to fight?Will come to fight?If you say yes,you will be the biggest lier on Earth.You will never Ever come to live in SS.Shed your own blood instead of the blood of z poor, innocent, needy,vulnerable,starving & marginalized pple of SS

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                                • 6 October 2012 00:05, by Rommel

                                  You are an odd fellow. Violently dislodging civilians from their homelands and then occupying their lands is not arrogant to you in your little world!? Your babble is akin to a Nazi censuring the Poles from resisting Nazi occupation. The innocent people that you constantly evoke, are the same people who were uprooted from "Heglig" as documented by close to a dozen organizations such as

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                                  • 6 October 2012 00:12, by Rommel

                                    Human rights watch. The solution? Return these lands to their rightful owners, from the Arabs that now occupy these lands. It’s simple. Can’t you see that the ’poor people’ of Northern Bahr el Ghazal don’t want to give you their lands for a dishonorable peace!? The Ruweng write article after article about their lands - that you now occupy. Which people could you possibly be talking about!?

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                                    • 6 October 2012 08:25, by mohammed ali

                                      Luka,stay on course. You personaly said you will not withdraw from Heglig!Where are you now? Answer a simple question.Are you there?Did you withdraw?Heglig was not on the disputed areas list when negotiations started.Is that right? Repeat, is that right? Despite that you attacked it, claimed you wont withdraw, You mislead Salva when you occupied it, and he was not aware about your attack...con

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                                      • 6 October 2012 08:34, by mohammed ali

                                        con:Was that right? More than 2000 S.Sudanese and yet Heglig was not the negotiation table.Is that right? I am repeating this question several times.No answer came from you. Can you answer? Forget about characterising me, answer this simple question.Don’t run away from it and start attacking me.YOU personally and the rest of Garang boys are responsible for the death of these innocent pple...con

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                                        • 6 October 2012 08:45, by mohammed ali

                                          con:All of Heglig problem is of your creation!Is that right?Heglig oil was divided 50/50 before the Hague.Right!You have included it in Abeyei dispute,despite the objection of unity state.Because of your greed & hegemony & almost complete control of the SPLA.You lost it forever by the international law.Who is responsible?Only the Abeyei gang is.You will never claim or get it!Right?Answer!

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                                          • 6 October 2012 09:08, by mohammed ali

                                            con: Not only you lost Heglig forever and lost more than 2000 young, innocent poor and productive young men; but you are going to pay heavy compensation for the damage you inflicted on Heglig! This all came out of your delusion of the granduer!You have lost all you battles, Luka and you can’t face Silva. Deng " Ahmmed" Alur went angry out of the hall before his president, ...con

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                                            • 6 October 2012 09:28, by mohammed ali

                                              con:Your hegemoney over the SPLA is over.Southerners are fed up with your arrogancy. The days of the " favourit Garang’s boys" has gone forever; pariculary after you grand theft.Deng " Ahmmed" Aluer owns a chain of hotels in Kenya & Ethiopia under the management of his Ethiopian wife.They also succeded in "sneaking" one of her relatives to the " lions den" to marry his daughter! Wont work.

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                                              • 6 October 2012 09:45, by mohammed ali

                                                con: You pushed very hard to shut down the oil production.You stangulated SS in the vain hope that your " commerades" from the "democratic front "" communists" like Yasir Arman & Al Hilou will stage demonstrations,under the economic pressur, to topple the government.Grandiosis! You failed.On the contrary, the gov. used this to implement tough measures to put the economy on the rifght tract.

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                                      • 6 October 2012 12:49, by Rommel

                                        You do realise that you’re not even addressing me, Mohammed? You’re censuring your own creation like a pitiful mad man; a conceptualization of just who you think I am. Your entire response is predicated on this laughable notion. This is the thematic hinge of all your posts.

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                                        • 6 October 2012 12:56, by Rommel

                                          You are hilarious. You seem to have appointed yourself the judge of pertinence in our exchanges, even as you engage in endless gratuity and long-winded, impertinent tangents. I don’t know what you hope to achieve by attacking Luka Biong in lieu of me. It is terribly entertaining, so please do keep it up.

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                                          • 6 October 2012 12:58, by Rommel

                                            The NCP acknowledged “Heglig” as part of South Sudan during the interim period up until July 2009 — the year of the PCA’s ruling on Abyei; hence the frisson of celebratory triumphalism that came at the heels of its convoluted misinterpretation of the ruling on Abyei by the PCA, after which it immediately denied south Sudan a share of the proceeds from “Heglig”...

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                                            • 6 October 2012 13:00, by Rommel

                                              It doesn’t matter that “Heglig” was not on the negotiating table; the extensive, documented, irrefutable truth that affirms again and again that “Heglig” is the land of the Ruweng and that they were violently dislodged from this area in the 1990s... is all that matters — it supersedes everything!

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                                              • 6 October 2012 13:05, by Rommel

                                                We are all fallible and are destined for death, but Truth and Justice are Holy and Immortal - they supersede mere flesh and blood. How many times must I reiterate that the failure of Salva Kiir’s Government has absolutely no bearing on the truth!? Was it right for us to defend ourselves? Yes! How many times must I reaffirm this to you!?

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                                                • 6 October 2012 13:07, by Rommel

                                                  This is the last time that I am going to ask you to direct me to a primary source on the apparent casualty estimate from the Red Cross that you keep peddling day in and day out. You seem to be the only source for this figure. Just provide me the link to the source, Mohammed. That should be an easy enough task.

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                                                  • 6 October 2012 13:09, by Rommel

                                                    You are in no position to talk about avoidance; you have not even addressed the reports from Human rights watch, the coalition of international justice, the Harker report, and the details of the Munroe-Wheatley agreement or my questions relating to your position on the Kafia Kingi enclave.

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                                                    • 6 October 2012 13:13, by Rommel

                                                      You make me laugh so very much, Mohammed. In all my exchanges with you, I am constantly being reminded of Karl Von Clausewitz’s statement that “The Conqueror is always a lover of peace: he would prefer to take over our country unopposed."

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                                                      • 6 October 2012 13:17, by Rommel

                                                        You embody the very same arrogance that you routinely accuse me of. We’ve lost “Heglig” forever? You are not a superpower, Mohammed. Your conventional military advantage is not as great as you believe. Your days of occupying “Heglig” are numbered. Truth will prevail and Justice will be done; the Ruweng will return to their homeland.

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                                                        • 6 October 2012 13:19, by Rommel

                                                          I have on many occasions asked you to end your terrible, perennial habit of gratuitously misquoting institutions of international significance, but evidently to no avail. The Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) did not rule that "Heglig" (Aliiny) does not belong to South Sudan! It said nothing of the sort!

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                                                          • 6 October 2012 13:20, by Rommel

                                                            The PCA was afforded a very limited, and very specific mandate; it was tasked only with determining the extent of Abyei as it stood at the date of its transfer from Bahr el Ghazl to Kordofan in 1905 by the Condominium government. The PCA defined Abyei in a way that moved both the Heglig (and Bamboo) oil sites to the east of Abyei’s eastern boundary — that’s all it did.

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                                                            • 6 October 2012 13:22, by Rommel

                                                              It did not place Heglig in northern Sudan or southern Sudan; it simply said that Heglig lies to the east of Abyei. This ruling did nothing to settle where the “1 January 1956 border” actually lies. It had no mandate to make such a determination, and did not attempt to do so.

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                                                              • 6 October 2012 13:53, by Rommel

                                                                So “Garang’s boys” are apparently responsible for all the problems relating to “Heglig”? What about the Arab Murahaleen who dislodged the Ruweng from “Heglig” in tandem with your Islamist Government ...are they somewhat responsible? Or are they completely innocent and blameless in this case!?

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              • 5 October 2012 22:17, by mohammed ali

                Luka,why should put finger on my argument? Leave me alone! Discuss the subject not me.You have this " good" habit etemming from seated complex thinking that by judging other pple, you will be somewhat " elevated".Not a single word about the topic , all about judging me! As you said typical hysteria. You made your own diagnosis, I didn’t make it.Couldn’t agree more!Go to bed!

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                • 5 October 2012 22:53, by Rommel

                  I didn’t say that you referenced me when you’ve been hypocritical and self-righteous. You don’t have to refer to a specific individual to be rightly considered hypocritical or unbearably self-righteous. You’re hypocritical because you evoke the 1956 border, but wish to make untenable claims on the Kafia Kingi enclave and Hofrat en Nahas, despite their location south of the 1956 border.

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                  • 5 October 2012 23:02, by Rommel

                    Are you saying I didn’t attend a single word to the subject at hand!? You must be starring at something other than this website, or you’re as blind as you are ignorant. I have distilled, analyze, refuted and written quite extensively on every one of your claims. You seem to have conflated the word "hysterics" -meaning uncontrollable laughter- with "hysteria", which is indeed a mental disorder.

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                    • 5 October 2012 23:15, by Rommel

                      Try not to distort or lie to - and try to improve your command and comprehension of the English language and then perhaps you and I can maintain a debate of sorts. You have attempted to admonish and psychoanalyze me, based entirely on the meanings of two separate words that appear to be one and the same to you. You seem to see nothing wrong with occupying the lands of others...

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                      • 5 October 2012 23:23, by Rommel

                        .. but here you are, wanting to impose a pathology onto me, for simply wanting the return of the lands in which my people were displaced from, as recently as 1992-3, as documented by Human rights watch and a plethora of others. You’re projecting, Mohammed.

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                        • 5 October 2012 23:32, by Rommel

                          In psychological terms projectionism is when someone projects their own noxious qualities on someone else, and then censures the recipient for now apparently possessing those noxious qualities.

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                          • 6 October 2012 00:39, by Marolditapei

                            Dr. Luka Biong Deng (Rommmel), Thank for you for bring Mohammed to a complete halt during your debate with him today on the problem of 14 Miles. This is one of the rare instances where we agree. But don’t reiterate your position as usual on being inclined to divisions on subclanic while being applauded as a Doctor or academic figure by others. If there are symptoms on the rise within you such as

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                            • 6 October 2012 00:47, by Marolditapei

                              Garang boys’ disease effects of ignorance and all its other related symptoms that require early diagnosis, get help from professionals as they are too many in London where you are. It is true and imperative that you are insomniac or either in bewilderment of that aspect. I know the health effects of what you are going through given the fact that you easily divert the points of debates saying thing

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                              • 6 October 2012 00:52, by Marolditapei

                                s like corruption in Juba and other facts that you are objected to in real life. Just adapt like the way Pagan is. Garang is not coming back, it we who are going to him. So to do your country a favaour, just get involved in its affairs without venturing around offending others, Right? Good day any way

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    • 5 October 2012 09:15, by zulu

      Morth sudanese, you talk as if your mother can make or had made electricity in Shendi. Since when have you engineered any machanical part since your technology is just as holistic as most third world countries?

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      • 5 October 2012 13:09, by Logic

        Zulu
        "you talk as if your mother can make or had made electricity in Shendi" Looooooooooooool, that some funny shit man!

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        • 5 October 2012 15:34, by Northern Sudanese

          Logic
          enjoy the false laughter, you got nothing in life anyway. i don’t understand, how can you laugh when you can’t find food or even give yo ugly mama a nice dress to wear

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      • 5 October 2012 15:33, by Northern Sudanese

        zulu
        blah blah blah, our electricity is not as developed as first world of course, but its better than not having electricity at all like pussies down there in south. now forget the talking about elctricity, clean water ect you are to dumb to understand it, go explain to yo naked mama what a dress is, her body is always visible on the tv screens of your masters

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        • 5 October 2012 16:17, by zulu

          Northsudanese,
          What are you talking about food? Can it be made or grown in the lab? As far as I know most foods, typically healthy food is grown organically on fertile soil. Do you grow food in the lab or land? where can you find arable land, in North sudan or south sudan. Check your facts before you make senseless noice

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        • 5 October 2012 16:17, by zulu

          Northsudanese,
          What are you talking about food? Can it be made or grown in the lab? As far as I know most foods, typically healthy food is grown organically on fertile soil. Do you grow food in the lab or land? where can you find arable land, in North sudan or south sudan. Check your facts before you make senseless noice

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    • 5 October 2012 10:26, by Chanson

      @ Northern Sudan,We are not interesting to joint the fucken north region of Sudan lol.We are comfortable in our land for that matter.So close your eyes and suck it up with your corrupted NCP who like to take what doesnt belong 4 them.But I tell you the land that Arabs hve been grabbing from South is far different from Northern Bahr Ghazal Land my dear.There is nothing call miles 14 in CPA....

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      • 5 October 2012 10:35, by Chanson

        We the Youth of Buoth Anyar will never tolerate that nonses about our land to be given away for the sake of buying peace.No those nomadic people can not move ove our land when we are alive.They may move freely on our land unless over our dead bodies.Buoth Anyar OYEEE! Madingda oyee!

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        • 5 October 2012 12:01, by Abyei Soil

          Go ahead Malual Buoth Anyar, 14 miles is not our plan to follow, Abyei, Panthou and the rest we need your effort pple of these land.

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      • 5 October 2012 15:37, by Northern Sudanese

        no food, clean water, electricity , roads , buildings, schools , clothes , hospitals, doctors , security ect......and the list never ends, well thats a great comfortable life :) , now please say that to your brothers in south sudan lol

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        • 5 October 2012 16:23, by zulu

          NorthSudanese,
          what are you ratting your big ugly mouth for, clean this, dirty that? What meritorious thing can you bost about in the stupid desert with your mothers wearing no undergarments, so stinky, no baths for months? What are you proud of with flies in your stupid big Khartoum, dusty and very dirty?

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    • 5 October 2012 14:55, by South South

      Northern Sudanese,
      Just wash your ass with your hands and stick your middle finger into your ass, take out shit and wash it ( GATHA JAMAR) so that shit Allah can accept your prayers. Gay man who fuck himself 5 times a day. Not an inch of 14 mile will go to gays land. You need to call your gay parents in Khartoum and ask them how many of your brothers have been sold to Libya. People without values

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      • 5 October 2012 15:41, by Northern Sudanese

        South South
        sell our people? how come?did we become as dumb as yo naked mama’s? at least we clean ourselves,you probably eat the shit as you never clean it you only walk off.
        call us gay? gayness is not a loud in islam so your statements don’t make sense, don’t worry at least you can read thats what 80% of your people can’t. carry on dreaming,you have nothing else in life but dreams lol, suckers

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  • 5 October 2012 08:39, by George Bol

    14 miles, Abyei, and Panthou/Heglig are receipts of war.
    SAF must withdraw from Panthou and Abyei because they were told to leave, have they done that? NO.
    For me, let sharp our spears before the North refuse the Abyei referendum and Panthou.

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  • 5 October 2012 08:43, by George Bol

    This is war we missed Dr Garang de Mabior because he always contact the inhabitants before any agreement on the issue of land. This happen for Abyei, Blue Nile, and Nuba in CPA. Also, he is also the C-I-C, president, and at the same time the president/leader. But now some who no nothing about the border can sign the paper like John Koang Nyuon.14 mile should have been witness by CDR Lual and Malon

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  • 5 October 2012 09:17, by Banydit

    This is good. Yes, go out and protest for your rights. we still do not know who took those 8 billion dollars, corruption is evident within our southern government. so, we must protest and make them realize who they are negotiating for lest they get bribed in the negotiation to be reliant to the northern government. PROTEST FOR OTHER ISSUES AS WELL!!!

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  • 5 October 2012 09:41, by philipdit wol

    Biefly the chane of allowing pasture, and grazing of cattle in certain land Does not mean you are the land owner. I still storngly argue our President of South Sudan and state Governor for Aweil in particular to look into this issue proper.

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  • 5 October 2012 09:46, by Frank Man

    Kirr and Pagan Amum have played ’Amum’.The Dinka in these areas have been handed over to the North. They have been made foreigners in their own Country South Sudan. Salva’s love love for the oil money has has made him forget his brothers in NBS. The corrupt officers are now smiling while the Dinka Malwal are crying. Sorry guys, these are the leaders we have.

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  • 5 October 2012 09:52, by Frank Man

    Kirr and Pagan Amum have played ’Amum’.The Dinka in these areas have been handed over to the North. They have been made foreigners in their own Country South Sudan. Salva’s love love for the oil money has has made him forget his brothers in NBS. The corrupt officers are now smiling while the Dinka Malwal are crying. Sorry guys, these are the leaders we have.

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  • 5 October 2012 09:59, by American Missile.

    People: the entire leadership was to be blame for all these flawed agreement but not finger point at particular name that he/she is the one deciding the agreement. it was a collective decision as well as collective responsibility.
    However,let us waits the National Assembly to aired out their views on the Co-operation Agreement.therefore,any human can express her or his views on the issues.

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    • 5 October 2012 15:06, by Peacocktail

      The Agreement was premature and signed without people knowledge at the Border. Where is 14 Miles started? it should have at the Contested areas like abyei, Kufras Nas, and so forth. Presidents signed the agreement without people consultation and it will not work NOW. it is only in Papers and Nobody will come to removes our ARMY SPLA from the Our ancestors Land. Malual Land &Jurchol land NOT in 14

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  • 5 October 2012 11:20, by AUGUSTINO DENG

    Truely speaking, I never had a dream on Salva Kiir Miyardit that one day he will bring prosperity to South Sudan. Salva Kiir Miyardit is a dead leader and a coward who always rely or kneel to Omar Bashir. Try to think when he vote for Omar Bashir during referundum. He is a leader by luck. 14 miles is useless.
    By Augustino Deng. Jech la mer from Tharpam.

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    • 5 October 2012 16:49, by Kurnyeil The Junior

      This is how you motherfucker of south Sudan will acknowledge the wisdom and wise of Dinka Bor, thank God they are not negotiating on this issues, otherwise they will trick us like the trick our leaders during the CPA, want Garang die, we knew it that these ppl will be our bitches something they are doing right, thank you for get rid of Bor Dinkas,Amen.

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  • 5 October 2012 12:07, by James Maker Akok

    To all my Southern Sudanese brothers and sisters,
    I have a old original map of Sudan of 1800 that locating all 14miles areas from West Bahr el Ghazal of area map of 1956, all 14miles areas of Bahr el Arab, all Abyei areas, and all Heglig areas are locate in South Sudan.
    I called South Sudan Embassey in Washington D.C and the one office told me the teams in Addis Ababa are doing their good job.

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    • 5 October 2012 12:40, by Luethee Ngong Anyoun

      What a hell is this that is why people say that generousity can do you good sometimes can do you no good becuas we used to give our land to Rezigat every year when they come for grazing but instead they appreciate us for that they try to claim this land . iwish our Governor should change himself , wear different colors becuase we can not agree to give any inch of this land even they go to heaven

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    • 5 October 2012 12:51, by James Maker Akok

      I mean president Kiir----------------

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    • 5 October 2012 22:40, by dad1

      Maker
      You are another crazy lost boy, which good job are you talking about? giving out 14 miles is a good job?, let us be read to get back 14 miles by all means.

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      • 6 October 2012 00:43, by James Maker Akok

        Hi dad1
        Lol, hi do you stand English really? Read again what I wrote. A one who said that the teams are doing their job in Addis Ababa was from South Sudan Embassey in Washington D.C is a one who said office when I was talking with him in office by phone. Read all my comments and you will stand me.

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        • 6 October 2012 00:52, by James Maker Akok

          I mean , is a one who said that word in office when I was......

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  • 5 October 2012 12:42, by James Maker Akok

    really President office with his leaders in offices are turning down South Sudanese people. We need to go for International Court if north Sudan never agree like the ways it’s now.
    Contact me if you want to see a Original map of two Sudan I have:
    jamesmakerakok@gmail.com

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    • 5 October 2012 12:49, by James Maker Akok

      I means president Kiir------------

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      • 5 October 2012 13:51, by Dinkawarrior

        Maker Akok!
        I did really feel very good after hearing Michael Makuei Lueth Keer talking on SSTV yesterday!
        Let go the thieves from President Kiir’s family who had no ideas on how to protect South Sudan while robbing the country its resources since day one. This is time to work and it need really people not thieves who talk shit every single day and do nothing about the problems facing us!

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  • 5 October 2012 13:34, by manyang mawech

    Bol and Magoor or D.M GUYS. do not worry Dr. Machar will do the job leave a lone Dr. Kiir alright..Our people will be back so don’t remind us about dead man.
    Any way thank for reminding.

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    • 5 October 2012 14:08, by Dinkawarrior

      Manyany Mawitch!
      Leave a lone Dr. Traitor Machar who is campaigning for his own presidential needs in United States while the country is in messes! He begging American to support his presidency in year 2015 and he promising to reward 50% of country resources to those who support to be a president. The good news is that! HELL is waiting for him, the international court for 1991 Bor MASSACRED!

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      • 5 October 2012 14:25, by Loko El Pollo

        PEOPLE OF AWIEL PLEASE DON’T LET YOUR LAND BE ANNEX TO THE NORTH BECAUSE OF OIL FLOW RESUMPTION.YOUR LAND IS NOT A DISPUTED LAND.IF THEY DID THIS BECAUSE OF ABYEI,THEN IT WILL BE BETTER TO OPT FOR BORDER WAR.THERE ARE SO MANY VILLAGES SITUATED ALONG 14 MILES,THESE AREAS WILL BE NEGLECTED BY KHARTOUM IF WE LET YOU GO NORTH.

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  • 5 October 2012 14:20, by kuoldit

    Dear Aweil,
    Once again, we are witnessing another negligence from the central government. Mile 14 is even known to Rezigat that it belongs to Dinka Malual and that is why permission is sought each year before they come with their cattle.
    The fate of Kiir is far more deserved than other places. Pienyda aci leu bi haac wei.

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  • 5 October 2012 15:46, by Northern Sudanese

    Its just funny the way only 1 comment could bring me a bunch of naked assholes attacking me by chatting shit. let me remind those assholes that shit isn’t gonna save your poor butts. you can dream the best but must deal with reality.
    you people have nothing in life but criminality. no education , nothing but an empty green land. south is nothing but a land of apes.

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  • 5 October 2012 16:20, by Man without fear

    Jalabs always,depend on other person property, what made u to be like insects, u leave your fucken land of pansula bicos it has no resourses. you have to thank God who filled the heart of South Sudanese with holy spirit than you could not be in Khartoum today.while you are still claiming other part of the Repulic of South Sudan. think on how you ppl recovery from the Sins u made.

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  • 6 October 2012 18:15, by E. Defense Forces

    Controversial in southern Sudan around Mile 14 area. demonstration in Awail.
    http://www.southsudanhub.com/media/2001/Controversial_in_S.Sudan_around_Mile_14_area/

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