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No break-through as Kiir-Bashir talks continue for the 3rd day

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September 24, 2012 (ADDIS ABABA) – Sudan’s President Omer Hassan Al-Bashir and his South Sudanese counterpart Salva Kiir decided to continue direct talks on security and disputed areas for the third day, after failing to reach an agreement on Monday.

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Since Sunday the two presidents flanked by their top negotiators have discussed the operationalization of a border buffer zone, which will allow oil exports to resume. Sudan has given a conditional acceptance of the mediation’s map put forward by the African Union after long refusing it.

On Abyei, which is the main topic of the summit, the mediation in its proposal supported the South Sudan point of view on the eligibility of voters but asked Juba to accept to share Abyei oil resource with South Kordofan and to endorse a special status for the movement of nomads.

Juba accepted Abyei proposal but Khartoum wants further concessions to soften the eligibility conditions in a way to ensure the participation of a large number of the Misseriya tribe who are very hostile to the African map.

There is no sign of progress on reaching a comprehensive agreement on the outstanding issues between the leaders of the two former civil war rivals, a South Sudanese diplomat close to the talks told Sudan Tribune under the condition of anonymity late on Monday.

The face to face talks between the two leaders will continue Tuesday, and it is highly expected that both sides will strike a deal on the issues remaining from the 2005 peace agreement that ended decades of civil war between North and South Sudan, he added.

The two leaders held three meetings on Monday in an attempt to reach a comprehensive agreement on all outstanding post-partition issues including a safe demilitarized border zone.

The spokesperson of the Sudanese foreign ministry El-Obeid Murawah told reporters in Addis Ababa that some progress has been achieved over the issue of Mile 14. He further said the discussions resume on Tuesday at 10:00 am expressing hopes to reach a comprehensive deal.

But the spokesperson of the South Sudanese delegation, Atif Kiir, told reporters after the last meeting there are still some hurdles preventing the two president from striking a comprehensive deal over the outstanding issues.

Leaks in Addis Ababa, say the two parties reached a compromise over Mile 14 as the South Sudan accepted to pull out its troops from the disputed grazing land. The deal was reached following a meeting attended by the Ethiopian Prime Minister Hailemariam Desalegn and chief mediator Thabo Mbeki in the afternoon.

In Khartoum the speaker of the Sudanese National Assembly, Ibrahim Al-Tahir, reiterated Sudan’s rejection to make any concession over Mile 14. He also added that there are some Dinka residing the area but added that they can remain Sudanese citizens.

The head of the opposition National Consensus Forces, Farouk Abu Issa blamed the government for excluding the opposition from the ongoing process saying what is going in Addis is a "farce rejected by the opposition and the Sudanese people."

The opposition always demanded to be involved in the discussions over national issues like Abyei and demarcation of borders, but the ruling National Congress Party ignored their demands.

However, some tribal leaders loyal to the government were allowed to visit the venue of the talks and to meet the mediation or the Sudanese negotiating team to express their point of view.

MACHAR TO NEW YORK

The South Sudanese Vice President Riek Machar arrived in New York in Monday to represent his country at the meetings of the UN General Assembly, as Salva Kiir has failed to leave for New York due to the talks .

His delegation includes foreign minister Nhial Deng Nhial, finance minister Kosti Manibe, justice minister John Luk Jock, presidential advisor Telar Deng and other officials.

Machar will give a speech on Thursday where he is expected to focus on challenges facing the young nation and ongoing process with the Sudan in Addis Ababa.

SPLM-N WANTS TO JOIN SECURITY TALKS

Yasir Arman, secretary general of the rebel Sudan People’s Liberation Movement North (SPLM-N) said they want to join the security talks between Sudan and South Sudan.

"It’s important to involve the SPLM-North," he told Bloomberg on Monday. The rebel official went further to explain that they controls parts of the border in Southern Kordofan and Blue Nile stressing the need to take this fact into consideration.

The buffer zone if established will cut off the Sudanese rebels from South Sudan. The rebels who are holding separate talks with the government said they are ready to sign a ceasefire with Khartoum but urged that a humanitarian deal reached last August is o implemented.

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  • 25 September 2012 08:31, by Deng Thiak Adut

    "[T]he two parties reached a compromise over Mile 14 as the South Sudan accepted to pull out its troops from the disputed grazing land". What a joke?

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    • 25 September 2012 09:06, by Dinkawarrior

      If our thieves leaders didn’t stolen the country money, we would have tought them a good lesson. What a shameful talk is this? There is no ways you can talk with somebody who doesn’t have hears, it better to remain queit than being so dumb. Shame on 75 thieves plus!!!!

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  • 25 September 2012 08:39, by Alfredo christiani

    Hahahaha Speaker of national assembly in khartoum say some Dinka residing mile 14 can remain Sudanese citizens.What a jok ?
    War is better than bad peace .

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    • 25 September 2012 09:38, by mohammed ali

      Alfredo, why is it a joke Alfredo? The SPLA thieves are begging for 4 freedoms. There are about 500,000 SSudanese still in Sudan. Your negotiators are fghting to get them Sudanese natonality.War is not better than anything! If you like come down , leave the luxury life in Australia and join your starving pple in SS! Show us your bravery!

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      • 25 September 2012 10:20, by zulu

        Ok Mohamed,
        If SpLA are theives, and begging for freedoms, is it now a cliche that the holy angels NCP, are begging tjeives to withdraw or disarm divisions 10 and 9? If you are strong to disarm them, the ones you called insects, did you see the recent video posted by divisions 10 and 9?
        it is cool to name others, but when the ncp steals 39 bn, they are doing their job

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        • 25 September 2012 15:00, by mohammed ali

          Zulu, am not calling them thieves. Your president did. What does it mean when you send an official letter to a senior officer asking him to refund the stolen money? What does it mean? It simply means he s A THIEVE. Nothing less! If anyone of them has a miligrame of dignity, he should have resigned ages ago.Unfortunately, thieves have no dignity!Make sure you are getting your share in Australia!

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      • 25 September 2012 11:08, by Paul Ongee

        I don’t understand why the world has to appease a criminal indicted by ICC by listening to his conditional negotiation style. We are wasting time in Addis Ababa because if a head of State is indicted for war crimes and knows perfectly well that he can still get arrested, how can he renegotiate CPA in good faith without preconditions?

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        • 25 September 2012 11:15, by Paul Ongee

          I don’t understand why the world has to appease a criminal indicted by ICC by listening to his conditional negotiation style. Why does a criminal President engage the whole world in a conditional renegotiation of CPA simply because he’s interested in oil but not South Sudan as a country?

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      • 25 September 2012 15:19, by Marco A. Wek

        North Sudan will regret theIraq false claims of our territories while they let Egypt toke Halyb by force. If they thing Egyptians bullets kill while South Sudanese bullets do not kill, well then they need to think twice and think
        think twice about that.
        As for our politicians, who are allows ready to give in to those fake Arabs, we the people South
        Sudan will hold you to account on your poor

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        • 25 September 2012 15:26, by Marco A. Wek

          approach to northern thieves that have been south Sudan riches and always not let it go even if that means death to them. South Sudanese people will send them to he’ll like they did to their mujahdeens terrorists.

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      • 25 September 2012 15:29, by Mach

        Ali, South-Sudanese voted almost 100% for separation, shutdown the oil from running through Sudan, South-Sudanese need your troops out of Abyei and Panthou, South-Sudanese need border demarcation; if all these indications sound to you as South-Sudanese begging Sudan for 4 freedoms; then you seriously need mental competent evaluation.

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    • 25 September 2012 12:43, by Logic

      As long as Bashir & his gang are representing N.Sudan, there will be no permanent peace. Its simple logic!
      They think they’re superior, this will not change unless they’re evicted from the republican palace.

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      • 25 September 2012 15:19, by mohammed ali

        The illogical jalabbi,everyone has the right to feel the way he likes in his own country!We the fake/arabized/jalaba/pigots/mandicoroww " have u any further racial description"are happy & proud with our country!With all of your descriptions, you call us racist!The imperialist American"as you descrbed them" made SS.The morons are blindly following.At the end the truth & only the truth will prevail!

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  • 25 September 2012 08:48, by NO PEACE

    people, i think Bashir is not listen the language in this meeting now because Bashir is rabic partten.

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    • 25 September 2012 09:50, by mohammed ali

      No peace, Basheer is not in a hurry.It takes time to solve such difficulty problems.They should ALL be solved together, once & for good!

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  • 25 September 2012 08:55, by Jalaby

    This is ridiculous and so funny, if you prevent Misserya from voting then Abyei is south no doubt, if that’s the case, how can you share Abyei oil with S Kordofan while it becomes in foreign country? Abyei oil was never the issue (only 2000 BPD), how can you endorse a special status for the movement of nomads while they will be entering a country that doesn’t belong to them?

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    • 25 September 2012 09:03, by Jalaby

      Although I put some responsibility on Al-Bashir for signing bad agreement like Nivasha and then didn’t implement it in a correct way because the referendum shouldn’t occur unless the border is demarcated, Abyei is solved and citizenship issue, SAF shouldn’t be pulled from the south unless SPLA pull out division 9th & 10th from SK & BN, all that didn’t happen and Al-Bashir

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      • 25 September 2012 09:10, by zulu

        very good commrade cowboy tiger; the difference between a donkey and a tiger is far greater than the noise they make. divisions 9 and 10 are not south sudanese these are part of what donkey beshir said he was disarming last year but one. hahahhahaha. it is tough. BRAVO SPLA

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        • 25 September 2012 09:47, by mohammed ali

          Zulu, they have already agreed to disarm them Al Hilu accused SPLA of selling them.Yet, it will take a little more time to sign the final deal.We will let the stupid thieves strangulate themselves a little more.Even donkies can’t be so stuipid to strangulate themselves with their own hands and provide us with a weapon we never dreamed of.Unfortunately thieves don’t feel the pain of the poor pple!

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          • 25 September 2012 10:23, by zulu

            how will the ss disarm those guys since they live in sudan? can the sudanese government allow ss to go to sudan to disarm the sudanese rebels>? this is laugable.

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            • 25 September 2012 10:27, by zulu

              there are more challenges sudan will face. it has been giving arms to rebels within sudan. wonder how much it costs for one and where it gets that money. but divisions 10 and 9 are using the gorilla tactics to aquire tanks to use it against the thugs NCP. this is what we have been doing all along. this is their success

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              • 25 September 2012 15:26, by mohammed ali

                Zulu, the appology letter from your druken ignorant tells where is the so called SPLA/N is!He was lying and you are repeating the same lie! Funny! Certainly we have so many challenges; we are happy to face them! You come down to your paradice in the SPLA thieves promised land where there is zero challanges. Make sure you take off you clothes off once you set foot on Juba airport!

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            • 25 September 2012 11:20, by mohamed mahgoub

              Z. we (SPLA-N) been asking this question. since the NCP start talking this nonsense after the referundum somebody has to tell us how?

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              • 25 September 2012 15:31, by mohammed ali

                Mahgoub, oh dear! What question you have been asking? Oh dear! Are you telling me you don’t know the answer till now? I suppose you were quite intelligent to know the answer from the very begining!You are diappointing me.Those who sell their country & pple so cheap, will be sold even cheaper.Simple lesson from history!

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                • 25 September 2012 15:37, by mohammed ali

                  Mahjoub, traitor Arman asked to join the talks! Funny! Are we going to talk to two SPLA’S. If the SPLA thinks he is part of them they should include him in their delegations.How could he join our negotiation with a foreign country? How could this happen.

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                  • 25 September 2012 20:51, by zulu

                    Mohamed,
                    you call Arman traitor when your finance minister asks your government to open trade with south sudan because it would bring in $400ml a month once your government announced it does not need bilateral ties including banning visas for sout sudan and israel? who is a traitor? arman is a statesman who fights for just cause such as equality for all sudanese. but you and the NCP want statusqu

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                  • 26 September 2012 00:29, by mohamed mahgoub

                    M. what michanism u will use to enforce this so called diarming when u failed to honour ur obligations in the CPA regarding the two areas ,hence u claim Abyie is part of SK u better conclude the ppl from that area ,it not Arman who wants to join the talks its the SPLA-N ,its not SS problem if u don’t have a full control over the contested area its ur problem,they must be asking what quarntees

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                    • 26 September 2012 00:40, by mohamed mahgoub

                      con. the flow of the oil through these areas if agreement reached its not gonna through lies u keep spreading ,remember u kept calling SPLM triators for 20+ yrs then u end up loosing half of ur country along all the wealth to the very triators u been calling ,now with %40 of what is left of it raging in flammes be careful don’t commit the same mistakes coz its foolishto repeat history

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          • 25 September 2012 19:33, by Marco A. Wek

            Mohamed Ali, your criminal and war monger Bashir should be the one disarming the SPL.A.-N as he initially intended it when he told his boys to go to war.
            South Sudan will not and cannot disarm their brothers . We would have agreed with you if you were asking south to arm them.

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      • 25 September 2012 09:11, by Jalaby

        generously acknowledged the south referendum result and separated it 4 free and kept all these pending issue without solution and as accepted the war erupted again till UNSC intervened and threatened them with punishment if they continue the war and don’t sit down and resolve their issues within certain days!
        Al-Bashir is not a politician in the first place but military person

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        • 25 September 2012 09:35, by Jalaby

          and Al-Turaby brought him to do temporary job for temporary time but he refused to retire when Al-Turaby thanked him for the job he did and asked him to retire! Al-Bashir has a good faith and very humble and patriotic no doubt he is not a politician!
          I really put all the responsibilities on Ali Osman Taha and his group!

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      • 25 September 2012 15:51, by hellonearth

        HEY LISTEN YOU DUMB JALABY,OSHAY,MOHAMED ALI..... DO YOU THINK THAT YOU WERE GOING KEEP THE SOUTH FROM THE REFERENDUM? THEN YOU ARE TRULY DELUDED. IT WAS CLEAR FROM WHAT LATE DR JOHN GARANG SAY SUDAN WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN. TRUE SUDAN HAS NEVER BEEN THE SAME FROM THEN.

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    • 25 September 2012 14:10, by South South

      Jalaby and Mohammed Ali,
      Messiriya belong to the North Sudan. No single person in South Sudan want them to enter into our country, but if they need water and Grazing area we will let them come to South Sudan during the summer only. You guys have a lot of problem in your country you need to deal with. Selling out Sudanese young men to Libya is a very shameful thing I have ever ever seen and heard.

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      • 25 September 2012 18:01, by panchol

        Jalaby.
        To take out what you call Division 9 & 10 is like passage of a camel through a hole of the niddle.
        Masiryia are not the owners of that place, but only come for gestures and water during winter and back to North after two to three months.
        My friend have you been to frontline one time? Go now and ask the one who had been to war in SS. He will tell u hw bad it is.

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  • 25 September 2012 20:56, by ViVa Sudan

    So So So Funny Paul Ongee, Marco A. Wek,hellonearth,panchol
    No break-through to pass oil / get any food without paying Sudanese will never give INSECTS A break-through TO take a single inch form SUDAN & division 9 ,10 or spla/m/n all of u will do nothing to SAF so SALVA IS BEGGING TO GET MONEY TO BE A LIVE TO OIL MONEY FROM U IDIOTS SOUTHNERS

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  • 26 September 2012 02:17, by mogokafi

    That is a good move president Kiir. NCP use played on SPLM’s intelligence but now things have changed and it is all good for us, SPLMN.

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