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September 9, 2012 (KHARTOUM) — Khartoum announced last Friday that Sudan and South Sudan finalised discussions over four freedoms as the text of the deal is ready for signing by the president of the two states at the end of the month.

The four freedoms agreement which was negotiated last March by the two countries, allows citizens of both states to enjoy "freedom of residence, freedom of movement, freedom to undertake economic activity and freedom to acquire and dispose property".

Idriss Abdel Gadir, head of Sudanese delegation said the two parties agreed to form a joint commission headed by interior ministers to follow up the implementation of the deal. He added the work of the commission will be based on the principle of reciprocity.

He also said that presidents Omer Al-Bashir and Salva Kiir will sign formally the agreement in a summit the mediation intends to organise at the end of the talks this month.

The four agreement is the second deal to be finalised after the oil transportation fees agreed last August. However Sudan says security is a prerequisite to the implementation of all the deal sealed by the two countries.

Khartoum accuses Juba of supporting Sudanese rebels and demand a clear commitment stop it. Il also speaks about military and political disengagement with the SPLM-North.

The Sudanese far-right party Just Peace Forum (JPF) announced Saturday it opposition to the agreement saying the issue of four freedom cannot be discussed while SPLA troops are inside Sudan.

The group was alluding to the SPLM-North who fight the Sudanese army in South Kordofan.

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  • 10 September 2012 08:22, by Dinkawarrior

    The best freedoms we need right now are including Abyei Freedom, Blue Nile Freedom, Darfur Freedom, and South Sudan Demarcation Freedom.

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    • 10 September 2012 08:37, by Robot

      4 Freedoms are just like any other paper work, where on Earth can South Sudan allow this nonsenses?, anyway doubting Thomases will die doubting. SPLM/N has just repulsed the talkative of NCP who recently lied that the attack will be the last for the SPLM/N, WHAT IS NEXT NOW TALKING MACHINES????????????.

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      • 10 September 2012 09:01, by sudani ana

        Am totally against these four freedoms. Why are Southernors despair ate for four freedoms when they chose separation. The Sudanese people should come out in protest in their millions. There should be a referendum on this issue. This NCP government doesn’t own Sudan to give it away to Southernors. It’s time for the army to make a move to protect the country.

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        • 10 September 2012 09:09, by Northern Sudanese

          sudani ana
          exactly , these people have been known for crimes, theft and breaking rules and their own state is already a lawless state! i am 100% ready to join the protests, so will be milions! and the army must down bashir, let sadiq come in or turabi anyone else who refuses the 4 freedoms, 4 freedoms is worse than giving them kafia kingi or letting them pass oil for $1 !!!

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          • 10 September 2012 10:58, by Nibs

            N.sudanese,
            Join the protest and you will be among the deads.

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        • 10 September 2012 09:19, by talentboy2

          Sudani Ana,
          the fourfreedom are against South Sudan but for the torrerist advantage(N. Sudan).

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          • 10 September 2012 09:24, by Northern Sudanese

            talentboy2
            four freedoms means
            4.7 milion starving people going to sudan
            lawless people entering our country as their own is a lawless state
            unskilled people rushing which we can’t afford
            its criminal advantage for southern insects, but you asylum seekers don’t worry because nothing will affect you :)

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            • 10 September 2012 09:44, by talentboy2

              N. Sudan,
              I would talk at length with you but you will not understand. 0.5-0.7 million southerners been leaving in the North for centuries and N. Sudan economic still shrink with worse health status on the continent. After oil discoveries in the south, N.Sudan government uses enough of oil fund to kill southerners and people who opposed them. As educated individual am strong opposing so called .

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              • 10 September 2012 09:47, by talentboy2

                4freedom, as we know more then 50% southerners are illiterate and they will not enjoy a such freedom but north will. its very simple to understand. you should be celebrate when these are signed.

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              • 10 September 2012 20:03, by Northern Sudanese

                talentboy2
                i don’t know what to say , your so dumb that its impossible to explain :/ , no wonder that 80% of southerners are unable to read or write. ’’N. Sudan economic still shrink with worse health status on the continent’’ dude are you mad? everyday there is news that diseases are killing thousands of southerners, you less than 500 doctors and speak about health?
                do you have an economy??????

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          • 10 September 2012 11:03, by NO PEACE

            The freedom b/n two countries will not be accepted by those of South sudan people, because those of N-sudan are not accepted the Map b/n two countries.

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      • 10 September 2012 09:05, by Northern Sudanese

        Robot
        what the hell are you on about? your the ones crying about oil, your the ones crying about citizenship, we kicked your butts out of heglig, all disputed areas except abyei are under our control,spla/n ass got kicked out of 11 villages in the past 2 weeks, what talk are you on about? you beg everyone in the world to feed you,and the people of sudan won’t allow faces like yours on the streets

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        • 10 September 2012 09:23, by Chol

          Northern Sudanese, please stop pretending, if South Sudanese are the ones crying for four freedom, then why did they voted almost 100% for separation? Look, no any official in South Sudan that’s going to sign that piece of bullshit without South Sudanese approvable. Remember, you killed 2.5 million people during the war, you think you’ll live among us peacefully? You’re playing with fire.

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          • 10 September 2012 11:28, by mohammed ali

            Chol, your question is very ligitimate, why did they vote for seperation if they want 4 freedoms? Ask them? Tell them not to negotiate it!Sudanese donnot want 4 freedoms even if NCP or Basheer or whoever agreed to it! Let your Pagan not to die hard for it!

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            • 10 September 2012 12:25, by Chol

              Mohammed Ali, South Sudanese are the ones, the people who voted 99% to separate themselves from north Sudan. So, do you really believe South Sudanese are ones struggling and fighting hard to have four freedoms? If your answer is yes, then your thinking is exactly the definition of unreasonable.

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              • 10 September 2012 12:32, by mohammed ali

                Chol, unreasonable, that is true! Just why you are negotiating it in the first place? Why it went so smooth, we didn’t even heared that they are negotiating it! Pagan didn’t oppose like the way he opposes everthing!We haven’t heared a word of objection from him!Pagan called for dual citizentship before the Referundom!

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                • 10 September 2012 14:19, by Chol

                  Ali, this is something that makes your argument so unreasonable! Pagan is not the population of South Sudan that voted 99% for separation. Second of all, Pagan knows the people of South Sudan voted for separation and therefore, he will never initiate four freedoms.>>>>

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                  • 10 September 2012 14:22, by Chol

                    >>> But let assume Pagan initiate four freedoms that you falsely claim to have no responsibility of, did your negotiators tells pagan to not even bring it up? Look, an argument has to make sense to be a genuine argument. Even the foreigners know Sudan need South Sudan so badly. What is the status of Sudan economy now after South Sudan shutdown the pipeline?>>>

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                    • 10 September 2012 14:33, by Chol

                      >>> Sudanese are the ones initiating four freedoms for the simple reason that they need to survive under South Sudanese resources. Now the question is, what are South Sudanese reasons to be in Sudan? None! But if you have, list them! Because You have to have reasons to want to be somewhere.

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                      • 11 September 2012 00:15, by mohammed ali

                        Chol, first you have to make sure you are surviving, then come and think about helping us.Let us exploit our resource first, then we might think about resources in other countries.We did not initiate it and we donnot want it, at least for the time being! We need peace & security, enjoy your resources they are all yours!

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        • 10 September 2012 09:33, by Robot

          Northern Sudanese,
          What a retard!!, your big problem is that you rely only on media which sometimes don’t report the truth on the ground and hence defines how i can’t be commensurate to you. i comment wisely and periodically on the events unfolding on the ground.... BIG QUESTION IS, WHY LEAVE THE BIG LOG IN YOUR FACE.. with your short knowledge there is no need of using bad language here.

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      • 10 September 2012 17:55, by Paul Ongee

        Dinkawarrior,
        You forgot two things, South Kordufan freedom and Beja Freedom. Freedom is for all the marginalized areas.
        The best freedoms we need right now are Abyei freedom, South Kordofan freedom, Blue Nile freedom, Darfur Freedom, Beja freedom and South Sudan Demarcation freedom. Go ahead. Good idea.

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        • 11 September 2012 00:38, by mohammed ali

          Paul, it seems you forgot the marginalized pple of SS where the SPLA thieves had loooooooooted $ 10 to 12 BILLION Dollars leaving almost 80% of their own people starving and fed by the UN, while their families are abroad enjoying the modern life in Australia, UK & US!

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    • 10 September 2012 09:01, by Northern Sudanese

      Dinkawarrior
      don’t act like a fool, darfur blue nile and kordofan are in faaaar better condition than South Shit!!!and you can only forget about Abyei ,the disputed areas all belong to north and they are all in our control, now you go feed more than halve your people, oh wait i forgot your only an asylum seeker and the people are the responsibility of the UN like your foreign minister said lol

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      • 13 September 2012 05:08, by australian

        Northern Sudanese: please tell me why, when I walk down the street, I see just as many Northern Sudanese as Southern - they came here as "refugees" too. Why? Something wrong with Sudan, with Khartoum?

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    • 10 September 2012 15:31, by Dinkawarrior

      SRF freedom will make everything possible to all of us.
      I know Homo-Arab-NCP Regime is try it best to ignore the really issues and come up nonsenses. Good luck with your four lies-freedom while nobody needed in South Sudan.

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    • 10 September 2012 17:54, by Paul Ongee

      Dinkawarrior,
      You forgot two things, South Kordufan freedom and Beja Freedom. Freedom is for all the marginalized areas.
      The best freedoms we need right now are Abyei freedom, South Kordofan freedom, Blue Nile freedom, Darfur Freedom, Beja freedom and South Sudan Demarcation freedom. Go ahead. Good idea.

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  • 10 September 2012 08:57, by Northern Sudanese

    Who the hell does the guy called Bashir think he is??? bringing four freedoms with insects??? then what was the point of giving them freedom on the first place? the people won’t accept this! many parties are against this!!! four freedoms only benefit insects and not us, those 4.7 milion starving will storm into sudan! what will we achieve? down with ncp , a citizen can hate his leaders, Down NCP!!

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    • 10 September 2012 09:06, by sudani ana

      NCP don’t own Sudan to give it away. They insisted on negotiating and agreeing on security first, and now they have gone and agreed on oil first and four freedoms second. To hell NCP to hell Bashir.

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      • 10 September 2012 09:22, by mohammed ali

        This a fiasco!Not only the so called far right oppose this agreement, but the majority of Sudanese oppose it.Why do they want to be 2nd class citizents? Why should we accept such agreement while the SPLA thieves carry such amount of hatred towards us? Abdul Raheem is not the right man to negotiate as well as the Nivasha boys.Truely NCP does not own Sudan.They say something and do the opposite!

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    • 10 September 2012 09:17, by Ker.

      look at this shit called north sudan do u think these 4 fs will only benefit south? u must be sick in ur head. i advice u to seek psychotherapy $ electro-convulsive therapy assistance before it is too late

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      • 10 September 2012 09:21, by Northern Sudanese

        Ker.
        how will we benefit? come on tell me! recieving all the 4.7 milion starving people from south because kiir da cowboy failed to feed them, we are already in crisis , and we can’t afford cleaners and south sudanese are unskilled and don’t law as their nation is a lawless state. don’t act like a fool, and we people of north don’t want to see your faces in our cities,bashir can sign what he want

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        • 10 September 2012 09:36, by Ayman fadul

          this is really a pathetic arrogance of most of you..
          4 freedom for sudan is something vital we should take to streets to demand it if our cabinet drops it off negotiations..
          why your conception is only concentrated on war stance..
          forget job opportunities 4 you unemployed youth or even the substantial trade revenues, our border tribes should have a bit of your pro war mentality considerations

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          • 10 September 2012 11:24, by mohammed ali

            Fadul, we donnot want war! Who said that? Look at this page and you will see who wants war! We want peace and security first, then everything could be negotiated.In such inviorment of hate , we donnot want 4 freedoms! Stop war & hate first!Only then we can talk!

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        • 10 September 2012 09:54, by Hardball

          You Sudanese are getting excited for no reason; the people of South Sudan are not going to accept this none-sense. Come to South Sudan and your life will be miserable. You have no idea of how you’re hated in South Sudan. You can pretend any way you want of how you dislike four shits but living in South Sudan will not be as easy as a piece of cake for you!

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          • 10 September 2012 11:37, by mohammed ali

            Hardball, that is true, we know that you carry tons of hatred towards us! We have no doubt about that! This excately we donnot want 4 freedoms!Hundreds of SS still live in Sudan and nobody hate them.They donnot want to live in SS as 4 class creatures while the thieves are wandering around with their big bellies driving their 4 wheel vehicles and transfering money to their families abroad!

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        • 10 September 2012 10:17, by Observer

          N Sudanese,
          We have 14 million starving people and you are worrying about S Sudan 4.7 million. S Sudan is also looking after more than 200,000 of our people in S Sudan.
          Don;t you think you should worry more about our people and let the Southerners worry about theirs ( and ours who have been driven out by their President and his army)

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          • 10 September 2012 11:12, by mohammed ali

            So Called Observer, donnot say " we" because obviously you are lying.The 4.7 starving SS is the figure which came from the World Food Programme, not from us!So from where did you come with this 14 millions,Mr. "we" How could SS look after our when it can not look after it’s own pple.To your information it is no longer 4.7 millions, according to the world bank the number will ....con

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            • 10 September 2012 11:19, by mohammed ali

              con:will increase by 3.5 millions making it 81% of the population of SS. You put " we" and " our" in an odd way, trying to say I am Sudanese! You are not.SS has run out of reserves, no money and this according to the world bank report. MR. "we", these are independant figures not " we" figures!Juba is in total blackout for 2 weeks, Mr. "we", try to bluff another pple not "we"!

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              • 10 September 2012 11:53, by Ayman fadul

                i don’t know how u people think!!
                who talks about 4 freedoms before peace talks.. it’s forgone that no 4 freedoms could be applied before settling all other issues, what am saying (& observer too) that this 4 freedoms are vital (like it or not) for sustaining peace and it’s for the good of the two countries..

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              • 10 September 2012 12:19, by Observer

                M Ali,
                Feel free to carry on with your delusion that I am not Sudanese. I know who I am and where I live. (Khartoum)
                The figures I quote are from our Govt 5 yr strategic plan on poverty reduction in Sudan- produced in conjunction with the World Bank. It says that 47% of Sudanese live under the international poverty definition. Go out to the East, Darfurs and the border states & see poverty

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                • 10 September 2012 12:41, by mohammed ali

                  Observer, nobody will say I am from Khartoum. Everybody is living in Khartoum! There is a huge difference between the poverty line and starvation when you get fed by the WFP.We are talking about " starvation" where you donnot have a piece of bread and fed by donors!I can see that " fudged" comparison makes you happy with the looooooooting and starvation in SS!

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              • 11 September 2012 00:45, by Chol

                Mohammed Ali, you were asked a very simple question by Observer that “why are you worrying about 4.7 million Southerners when you have 14 million Sudanese starving?” instead of answering his question, you dodge it and divert your attention to South Sudan because that’s what you like to do, a straw-man argument!

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          • 10 September 2012 11:22, by mohamed mahgoub

            Obv. u just read my mind ,I think any deal agreement with SS we r the sole beneficiary of such a deal,but those guys they just revealing their ugly racist faces we have the with Egypt but the sudanese in Egypt r more than the Egyptain in Sudan not coz its better but coz Sudan is inhabitable for anormal human being !

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            • 10 September 2012 11:45, by mohammed ali

              Mahgoub, racism started with seperation. You can not divide the country and suddenly come and say : hi guys , I want to be part of you am ready to live as a 2nd class citizent. That is ridiculous!

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              • 10 September 2012 12:59, by mohamed mahgoub

                So why the seperationat the first place & the war in SK,BN & Darfur,how u think u live in a paradise! We have all the problems u can think of here

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                • 10 September 2012 13:11, by mohammed ali

                  Fadul,ask those who did it , not me! The war in SK & BN was not started by us! There shouldn’t be SPLA in these places according to CPA. 6 months after Nivasha they were supposed to disarm.Agar wants to Governer according to the constitution and a leader of a foreign army against the constitution! " Bsheer have an army and I have one!"Read Natsios book and article to understand why were the wars!

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    • 10 September 2012 09:38, by Ker.

      none sens talk like this sometime remind us of SPLA/M objectives of 1994 National convention article 7.2 A,B $ C.
      these thugs must be getting rid out of whole country
      popular uprising against Khartoum base regime
      total change in Government in Khartoum
      otherwise this country will never smell peace.

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      • 10 September 2012 12:18, by mohammed ali

        Ker, you donnot know what is happening in SS, dear! Get to know what is going on there before you talk about uprising in Khatoum! You have to think about your lawless country first, then you come & change regime in Khartoum.Only when you are sober!

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  • 10 September 2012 09:14, by Northern Sudanese

    imagine the cost of one foreign citizen, he will need the money for education,medical aid,electricity, water , housing, and those southerners, over 80% don’t know how to read or write so they won’t work at all! we in north can’t afford them, we are already in economic crisis for the next 2 years and people can’t afford to pay for cleaners as they used to in 2010. this will make the situation worse

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  • 10 September 2012 09:18, by Northern Sudanese

    South sudanese have big families, there population grows very fast, if we give them 4 freedoms for at least 60 years we risk becoming a palestine and our grandchildren will live under their rule if they succeed, i don’t know whats up with bashir, the people of sudan will never accept this to happen!

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    • 10 September 2012 09:50, by Ayman fadul

      for this very reason Mr. idiot northerner you should be concerned with signing the 4 freedoms with the south more than with Egypt which have no resources and 80 million hungry, unemployed, more qualified than you.
      some countries signs a unilateral 4 freedoms treaty with its neighbor just to benefit one aspect of it
      like Ethiopia and Djibouti
      do you know that Ethiopian can not possess land

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      • 10 September 2012 09:56, by Ayman fadul

        in Djibouti while Djiboties are entitled to that right, you know why?
        because Djibouti population is much less and have resources that much more than Ethiopia
        while here by your mentality on charge we are refusing to benefit such treaty with south Sudan and unbelievably pleased with the Egyptian one

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  • 10 September 2012 09:22, by Ayman fadul

    the 4 freedoms are of less important to the two govrnmts in regards to the other issues of demarcation, petroleum transits fees and security issues..
    BUT when it comes to the prosperity and welfare of the two nations of Sudan .. the 4 freedoms is all that matters and am sure that this treaty ,if correctly applied, is the only grantee to a sustainable peace..

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    • 10 September 2012 10:56, by sudani ana

      Fadul
      You don’t know what you are talking about. What sustainable peace? We have about 100,000 Southerners in Sudan and they are already causing significant problems. Have you not heard of the Gangs in Haj Yousif who call themselves "Niggers". They have been terrorising the citizens of that area using machetes and knives. You heared southernors saying they hate us. Why allow them to come back?

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      • 10 September 2012 11:14, by Ayman fadul

        i hear southerners saying that they hate us, as i heard northerners (and you r one of ’em) saying that too.
        and you don’t know shit about niggers gang if you thought they are southerners group motivated by hatred toward notherners!! you reminds me of my grandma by such mentality..
        & 4 ur records nigagangsters active n the center of Khartoum too

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    • 10 September 2012 12:02, by mohammed ali

      Fadul, excately, let us negotiate borders, security first! They should have been stteled before referundum. Then oil transit 100 freedoms , but not now! We donnot want war and hatred. The enviorment is not conducive for 4 freedoms. Sudanese by & large reject it and will not accepet. NCP or Basheer donnot own Sudan and cannot impose this on us!

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      • 10 September 2012 16:50, by Ayman fadul

        Ali, what all this furious oppose over a treaty that u know well that it can not be applied under current circumstances, wise up man the govnt signed a transit fees agreement did they apply it? NO..
        everyone here saying his mind about this treaty and he knows that it’s not to take place before security arrangements settles

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        • 11 September 2012 01:03, by mohammed ali

          Fadul, you better wise up!Why did they start with oil & 4 freedoms? They want to pass these agreements & leave the security issues forever. Then impose these agreements upon us through the UNSC.Rice was in a hurry to finalize the oil deal so as to rescue SS.They came with a map against the UN recognized map.You will see this "nivasha" game again.It will not pass, border tribes will fight it!

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          • 11 September 2012 09:49, by Ayman fadul

            now you start to doubt ur government racism perseverance!!
            what a sarcastic!!
            as if this government needs racism jet-propeller to ignite their fanatic fundamentalism more and more..
            am restraining my poised finger to the verge, not to let loose my yielding emotions of disgust and rage.. please shut up, this country is not yours alone

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          • 12 September 2012 05:24, by SeekingTruth

            Mohammed, mind you! How can you call for security and peace first when your representatives are rejecting the map proposed by the AU in order to implement demilitarization and which lead to peace??? Isn’t this ironic much of you and your NCP?
            The peace lovers(southerners) accepted that proposed map not because they’re satisfied with it either but becos we want peace!

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  • 10 September 2012 09:28, by Ahmado

    I don’t see point here can amuzing me, we as people of south sudan we are running after four freedom and left the issue of border demarcation and Abyei.Me,i know this is a dinkas plans because they want to go back to khartoum eat the leftover foods of arabs. and dinkas were happy when the arabs intimidated them .me,i don’t want even to step in islamic state like khartoum.

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    • 10 September 2012 09:52, by Ker.

      Ahmdo
      u ar a fool a big fool indeed.now when south wage this total freedom of South,was it not Dinka who made up two third of the total SPLA army and 87% death.by the way u ar not here with us in the south however pro-arabs always try to create enmity btw us but we will not tolerated that bitch

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    • 10 September 2012 10:12, by Hardball

      It’s very interesting that, most Sudanese posting comments here, try too hard not to reveal themselves as Sudanese. It clear that they are so ashamed to stand up and say, we need these four freedoms so bad, because we cannot afford to live in Sudan without South Sudan oil. It’s even more embarrassing, when you’re ashamed to beg, but tried to beg in disguise!

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      • 10 September 2012 12:26, by mohammed ali

        Hardball, who is begging? Your Pagan was calling for dual citizentship even before the referundum! If we are begging , do give it to us; it is sssssssso simple!

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      • 12 September 2012 07:01, by Observer

        Hardball,
        I am Sudanese and proud to call myself one but I AM different than the extremists from N Sudan on here such as M. Ali, Dark Angel, Jalaby etc that I am a realist.
        Most moderate Sudanese recognise the value of Four Freedoms as we realise that both Sudans need each other and the bonds between the people of both Sudans in strong.

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  • 10 September 2012 09:39, by dinkagloble

    Four freedom for what? I Think Kiir Government is out touch with reality? Why khartoum needed to be treated different then other foreign countries?
    Freedom is something we have to fight within and neither Kiir have a say in North or Bashir have a say in South.

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  • 10 September 2012 09:55, by Ahmado

    These four freedoms are very useless for me because the type of people you are signning agreement with them are not people that respect other people right they are call them arabs,muslims and islamic people, since 700AD where by problems started and those saying four freedom are guarantee these are people after leftover foods arabs because they target to stay in khartoum death.

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    • 10 September 2012 10:08, by Ahmado

      Four freedom for what, north sudanese should treated like in south sudan because we have separate from them why we signning four freedom or dinkas and nuers want to stay in North sudan does why they more concern for it?

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      • 10 September 2012 10:17, by Ayman fadul

        Amado
        despite that am northerner, but your comments alluding that you are an NCP spy, for you have no point and the whole lot of your concern is on racial issues..
        are you a truly southerner!! a doubt that

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        • 10 September 2012 10:42, by Ahmado

          To Ayman,
          Am here in south all the during struggle i never gone to diaspora like you,and my question what are important to you about the four freedom that you excited of? Do you that these four freedom fever the Arabs much and it problem to south sudan in long run because arabs continue to come toword the south and they convert people s.sudan in to muslims and it will create another new islamic st

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          • 10 September 2012 11:00, by Ayman fadul

            hahaha now i am sure that you are SPY ..
            so u didn’t go to diaspora like ME!!! hahaha poor Amado this is way of what we can call a poor shot..this is a friendly fire, u
            your gibberish comment in addition to your noticeable stupidity has do the rest and totally affirm your Islamist loyalty..

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            • 10 September 2012 13:18, by mohammed ali

              Fadul, he is not a spy, but he inside SS! There is no elecricity in JUBA for 2 weeks, so how can he use his lab top. They all claim that they where fighters.None of them is right.He simply does not understand that you are anti your country, at least you wecomed his " friendly" fire, I hope it is not as our an " enemy fire!"

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        • 10 September 2012 13:33, by mohammed ali

          Ayman, it seems that you are new to Sudan Tribune! Ahmado is saying absolutely nothing!Stay for another week & you will hear " wonders" This why ST is putting a warnning against abusive language and profani!

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          • 10 September 2012 14:00, by Loko El Pollo

            AYMAN IS SMART AND FUNNY,NO MONKEY FROM SUDAN TROUBLE WILL TAKE HIM OFF THE FORUM.HE IS AS FREE AS OTHERS NORTHERN WISHHUNTERS.THE FOUR FREEDOMS AGREEMENT ARE ONLY MEANT FOR THE BORDER STATES.THERE AIMS ARE TO PROMOTE BUSINESS INTERACTIONS BETWEEN SUDANS.NORTHERNERS WILL GAIN FROM TRANSACTIONS BECAUSE SOUTHERNERS ARE CONSUMERS,MANAGEMENT OF SUCESSFUL BUSINESS IS NOT WHAT WE KNOW BEST.SO ARABS WILL

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            • 10 September 2012 14:02, by Loko El Pollo

              PROFITS AT OUR EXPENSE.CHEERS TO YOU AND YOUR BROKE GOVERNMENT.

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              • 10 September 2012 17:19, by Ayman fadul

                Mr.Ali,
                am not Anti my country, unless u see anyone opposing you as traitor, which draw no difference from ur fellow Islamist who claim to be the shadow of Allh on earth, gibberish doesn’t mean offending look it up dictionary!!
                ok Mr.loko, i don’t you know how a 4 freedoms agreement would be confined to border state in a country that its nomad knows no law,or border pillar>

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                • 10 September 2012 17:34, by Ayman fadul

                  i aint a wishhunter because ur govmnt sign this treaty and knows well how its ’consuming’ society would benefit it..
                  i might be too optimistic and keen to peaceful environment that we’ll all reap its benefit, but u R the one who blindly follows his arrogance to his inevitable doom..
                  and time well tell revenge hunter

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                • 11 September 2012 01:17, by mohammed ali

                  Fadul,all your talk is anti-Sudan, why you consider it friendly fire when it came straight towards you as Sudanese? Who are your friends!I donnot need to look for the meaning of gibberish and I dont see why you are talking about it.If you consider filthy , impolite , abusive language & profani means gibberish then you better look at it very well in the dictionary.I know it before you were born!

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                  • 11 September 2012 06:54, by Ayman fadul

                    look Mr.Ali there is no room here for bragging around by others language.. i dubbed his comment as gibberish and i don’t know how Sudan tribune could ban someone for talking meaningless words!! and that’s why i thought u get my comment wrong.
                    apart from that, who is opposing his country is big Q? u r not in position to judge someone as traitor and someone as patriot!!
                    who gives you the this right?

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                    • 11 September 2012 07:14, by Ayman fadul

                      you think u caught me red handed because i called his pathetic try to distort my comment a ’friendly shot’!!
                      maybe next time you should consider others comment before rushing to argument based on a word that taken out of its context, for that really smear your claimed holy position

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  • 10 September 2012 09:58, by Pif Paf

    Although Sudan will be disadvanteged by this four freedom, such an agreement can produce close corporation between the two countries in the long run and help cement other agreements. However such an agreement could spell disaster if security is not resolved. Border and Security are vital and must be resolved prior to any other agreement.

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    • 10 September 2012 11:16, by sudani ana

      Pif Paf
      What Border and what Security. If this 4F agreement is signed, border wouldn’t mean anything. What would we need border for when any Southernor can enter North, buy land and home or do what ever he likes and you can’t even kick him out if he commits crime. What use is border between us? Say we turn Heglig into a thriving city and 1 million Dinka or what ever decide to come and live..cont

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      • 10 September 2012 11:42, by sudani ana

        cont.. You can do shit to them. Think about our hospitals and schools. SPLM squandered all their money and didn’t build any schools, roads, hospitals etc, where do you think southerners will go for hospitals and education etc. I am not racist but we are two different countries, nothing unite us apart from painful history, not ethnicity, not religion, not language, not culture, not loyalty...

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        • 10 September 2012 11:48, by sudani ana

          cont.. It’s like having four freedoms with Uganda or Borkina Fasu.. at least people in Borkina Fasu don’t hate us as much. WHY DO WE NEED FOUR FREEDOMS BETWEEN US?

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          • 10 September 2012 13:21, by sudani ana

            I SAY NO NO NO AND A THOUSAND NO TO FOUR FREEDOMS AGREEMENT. THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD CONDUCT A REFERENDUM ON SUCH AN ISSUE WITH SUCH AN ENORMOUS MAGNITUDE.

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            • 10 September 2012 14:21, by Pif Paf

              Sudani ana,
              Im not too familiar with the details of this agreement however i do understand your reservation. Rest assure that s.sudanese will never be treated as first class citizens in sudan again & will have to abide by law or face deportation. It will be down to the details & implementation of this agreement. We know very well the possibility & consequences of an excodus of southerns to sudan.

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          • 11 September 2012 03:12, by Observer

            Sudani Ana,
            Just in case you don;t know the Four Freedoms agreement was initiated ( in case you don;t know what that means it means suggested first) by our Govt- the Khartoum government. So now you need to ask why?
            Because, unlike you and the other extremists on here, ( from both countries) they realise that both Sudans need ecah other economically and that there are too many strong links

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      • 10 September 2012 12:07, by Alier

        Sudani ana, it’s so sad that, you’re still hoping that Sudan is going to one a nation again. Four freedoms are not going to happen and border is going to be demarcated. You’ll need documentations to come to South Sudan otherwise you’ll face jail time. You better believe it, no joke!

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        • 11 September 2012 09:38, by Ayman fadul

          ignorance sometimes more lethal than the worst catastrophe..
          if the majority of Sudanese and south Sudanese are embracing this opinion of fanatic racist then the plague will need a divine intervene to be contained..and may GOD have mercy on our soul..

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  • 10 September 2012 13:27, by Jalaby

    To Jonobean,
    Why are you running after 4 freedoms agreement after you divided the country?why don’t you stay at your paradise country and leave our desert land? what?do you love your slavers or what?how come you still want to be treated as 2nd class "citizen"?!this time it’s going to be 3rd class "resident" after Habash and Eritreans!

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    • 10 September 2012 13:38, by Jalaby

      It’s true that majority of Jonobean are hypocrites,complain of slavery and cry with crocodile tears and blackmailing Arab/Jalaba but that time is over my friend and you’re no longer citizen but foreign resident who has no right to ask for citizenship rights or be treated like sudanese citizens,we have all the right to deport you for no reason other than we have bad mood today!

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      • 10 September 2012 13:45, by Jalaby

        Unlike Jonobean who are the flood washed away their crops this year and left them stranded,we have a very successful agricultural season this time after we got huge rains,it’s true that we are facing lack of labors issue for harvesting our crops,we usually bring Habash (Ethiopians) to do this kind of job,we have no plan to bring Jonobean because they known to be lazy people,

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        • 10 September 2012 13:57, by Jalaby

          unproductive and more over,trouble makers!
          Although Jonobean were dominating the labor jobs in the following areas:
          1. Construction and building labors (Tolba)
          2. Lifters and goods loaders (Atala)
          3. Alcohol (Aragy) makers
          For some reasons Jonobean abandoned job 1 & 2 and they stuck with Aragy,I think that’s because Aragy price is on a rise and the more government fight it

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          • 10 September 2012 14:13, by Jalaby

            high price will go,I think Jonobean are so happy in the north with bars closing and tough government policy in forbidding importing any type of Alcohol,I think that will always guarantee them high Aragi price and business continuity!
            Talking business wise and interest language, 4 freedoms agreement will less benefit Sudanese people unless Jonobean agree to share their oil 50/50!

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            • 11 September 2012 06:16, by Ayman fadul

              jalaby, i don’t know how to encircle all this rotting stinking racism in short response.. but apart from our issues with south that can somewhat justify your rubbish comment as a repulse other than being offensive act.. what got you so discourteous to involve our Ethiopian and Eritrean neighbors into this..that shows how grim mental disease u suffer

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        • 13 September 2012 05:29, by australian

          Who is lazy? The streets of Khartoum are full of idle young men. Sudanese young men. They can’t even pick vegetables?

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      • 10 September 2012 14:35, by Ahmado

        Mr.Jallaby
        you are right but isn’t all people of south sudan but only dinkas and nuers who running after four freedom not Equateria because dinkas and nuers are muct accustom to arabs letfover foods.Does why they couldnot live without Arabs.

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  • 10 September 2012 14:48, by Ahmado

    I need arabs to deport the southerners who stay in sudan back to south sudan because there they are practice laziness. they have to come back and we have virgin land in south sudan they sould leave bajibewu ta jallaby.

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    • 10 September 2012 15:23, by Lok T Simon

      dear Negotiators,
      This time Southern Sudanese don’t need sayings that just remain on the papers, but indeed they need practicality done on the disputed areas without preconditional. That is what you just stand upon and firmly remains and unthreaten on what ever the outcome might be.
      thanks.

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  • 10 September 2012 16:50, by Moses Deng Malual

    The fable says how, "One day a scorpion arrived at the bank of a river he wanted to cross, but there was no bridge. He asked a frog that was sitting nearby if he would take him across the river on his back. The frog refused and said, ’I will not, because you will sting me.’
    "The scorpion replied, ’It would be foolish for me to sting you because then we would both drown.’
    "The frog saw the l

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  • 10 September 2012 17:09, by Moses Deng Malual

    Logic in the scorpion’s words, and agreed to carry the scorpion across. But when they were halfway across the river the scorpion stung the frog. The stunned frog asked, ’Why did you sting me? Now we will both die!
    "The scorpion replied, ’Because I’m a scorpion … and that’s what scorpions do.
    Our leaders should analyze critically the possible outcomes of the negotiated four freedoms before rushin

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  • 10 September 2012 17:10, by Moses Deng Malual

    before rushing to agreement.
    Dr.Moses Deng Malual

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  • 10 September 2012 20:10, by Northern Sudanese

    these 4 freedoms will not benefit sudan at all, i am not replying to the above ones because they are 2 many! it only benefits south sudanese as the 4.7 milion starving will run to sudan!!!

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  • 11 September 2012 06:02, by E. Defense Forces

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