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January 7, 2012 (KHARTOUM) – The Sudanese president, Omer Hassan Al-Bashir, arrived Saturday in the Libyan capital Tripoli for a two-day visit and held talks with top officials from the ruling National Transitional Council (NTC).

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Libya’s NTC chief Mustafa Abdel Jalil (R) and Omar al-Bashir (L) during a welcoming ceremony in Tripoli on January 07 (AFP-GETTY IMAGES)

The talks were held on Saturday morning at the NTC’s headquarters, as reported by the Libyan news agency WAL.

According to Libya’s foreign minister Ashur Bin-Khayyal, the talks discussed ways to develop and reinforce bilateral relations in the fields of “security, technical support, and labour”.

This is Bashir’s first visit to Libya since the fall of the regime of the late Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, who was killed by NTC fighters in October.

Sudanese and NTC officials later confirmed that Khartoum provided military support to the rebels during their six-month struggle to dethrone Gaddafi.

Bin-Khayyal told a WAL correspondent that the discussions, which were headed by the NTC’s chairman Mustafa Abdul Jalil, took place in “a friendly and fraternal atmosphere” and reflected the good relations between the two countries after “the outstanding role” that Sudan played in supporting and helping the Libyan revolution.

Tripoli’s new masters appear unconcerned by the fact that Bashir is wanted by the same court they once asked to investigate atrocities committed by Gaddafi’s forces after the uprising against him started early last year.

Bashir faces two arrest warrants issued by the International Criminal Court (ICC) on charges of war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide allegedly committed in Sudan’s western region of Darfur.

Libya is not a member of the Hague-based court and is therefore under no legal obligations to arrest Bashir. But the NTC has asked the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) to involve the ICC in investigating atrocities committed by Gaddafi’s forces following the outbreak of the uprising.

The UNSC unanimously adopted a resolution last February asking the ICC to investigate possible war crimes committed since the uprising.

The ICC issued an arrest warrant for Gaddafi, his son Saif al-Islam and the ex-spy chief Abdullah al-Sanoosi for crimes against humanity. Saif al-Islam was captured by local rebels near the border with Niger last November but they have refused to hand him over to Tripoli’s central authority or the ICC.

Bashir’s visit has raised the concern of Human Rights Watch (HRW), an international organization.

“Following the end of decades of brutal rule in Libya, it is disturbing if Tripoli hosts a head of state on the run from international arrest warrants for grave human rights violations,” said Richard Dicker, international justice director at HRW.

“Welcoming al-Bashir — a suspected war criminal sought by the ICC — raises questions about the NTC’s stated commitment to human rights and the rule of law”, he added.

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  • 8 January 2012 09:37, by mohammed ali

    Lybians are the best judge here!They know very well what Gadafi did in Darfur since the early 80th.They know very well how much arms he was smuggling into Darfur.They know how much money he had given to different groups from Darfur.They know what are the futile ambitions of Gadafi in Darfur.They know very well how brutally Darfurian rebells were killing them defending Gadafi!

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    • 8 January 2012 11:31, by Logic

      "how brutally Darfurian rebells were killing them defending Gadafi!" Provide one peace of evidence supporting this claim.

      Gaddafi was ousted for his strong stance against western imperialism although his suppression of political freedom lead to his demise via his own people.

      The ICC is a big joke. The SRF will destroy the NCP regime but it must not cooperate with this political tool named "ICC"

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      • 8 January 2012 11:59, by mohammed ali

        Logic,you are suffering from scisophrenia.On one side you are admitting Gadafi was suppressing his people, on the other hand you defend him for what you call his stance against imperialism! I lived and workd in Lybia,left it after 4 years living in fear!Imagine we as foreigners passing near Bab Al IZEZIA, we all stop talking untill we move away from that place!

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        • 8 January 2012 12:05, by mohammed ali

          ..Though evidence are abondon on all web sites and tv creens, I will tell you one! JEM leaders were begining Lybians to release one of their leaders who was arrested after trying to leave the country.Ahmed Hassan Adam was almost crying on Aljazeira, denying that they were fighting with Gadafi.Abdul Jalel said it clearly that Gadafi was causing more harm to Sudan than to Lybia!

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          • 8 January 2012 12:12, by mohammed ali

            ..The so called SRF is uncapable to destroy Sudan or NCP, nor it was meant to do so.It was meant to destabilize Sudan so that Sudan can give concession on demarcation of the borders with SS.Jau for example, where they cry everyday for its bombardment is within Sudan according to UN.SPLA is claiming it, likewise the area of " hufrat al nihas" where SPLA complains that it has been bombed!SPLA put..c

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            • 8 January 2012 12:20, by mohammed ali

              .SPLA had put rebells in these ares hoping that they will"liberate"these arees then they will claim it for themselves!This is the game,and it is stupid one.Darfurian will not leave these land,neither will do SK or BN people. Look at the map and see the ares which SPLA refused to demacate and you will find them in SK,BN and S.Darfur.SPLA was ill-adviced by your imperialist,whom you like and dislike

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            • 8 January 2012 15:56, by Rommel

              Mohammed Ali:

              Your penchant for distortion never ceases to amaze me. The Kafia Kingi enclave and Hofrat en Nahas are currently being administered by South Darfur but were formerly administered by Western Bahr el Ghazal at independence (1956).

              These two areas were transferred to South Darfur in 1960 by Ibrahim Abboud, and by the terms of the CPA must be duly returned to South Sudan.

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              • 8 January 2012 16:00, by Rommel

                In peace deals, presidential decrees and international litigation from the 1970s onwards Khartoum has implicitly or explicitly accepted that the enclave is historically part of southern territory.

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              • 8 January 2012 16:59, by mohammed ali

                Rommel, prove that and I will support you in your claim.Having said that it is now part of Sudan and nowbody from the south mentioned that claim.Machkos is clear, the borders is 1956 borders.If your claim is right SS should have claimed it from the start.Up to this dare nobody mentioned this claim.Hufrat-al-Nihas is part of Sultanat of Darfur before Darfur became part of Sudan.

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                • 8 January 2012 17:08, by mohammed ali

                  ..More over no need to play war games by pretending to support Darfurian while you want to claim their land.The demarcation was supposed to finish before the referundum.SPLA tactically delayed it & insisted that referundum come first.Now they are trying to put SPLA-N and claim that the have no connection with them, while they are putting them excately on these ares which they refused to demarcate!

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                • 8 January 2012 17:35, by Rommel

                  In 1956, at Sudan’s independence, the border between Bahr al-Ghazal and South Darfur ran along the Nile’s westernmost tributary: the seasonal river Umbelacha, which joins the Bahr al-Arab or Kiir River at Radom. In 1960, four years later, the border was moved southwards to a line that follows four other rivers. The official gazette recorded the change:

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                  • 8 January 2012 17:39, by Rommel

                    "From Radom Lat. 9°51, Long. 24°50, which is already inside Darfur Province, the new boundary runs along the right bank of River Adda to Angarbaka village on the junction of River Biki with River Adda. Thence follows the right bank of River Biki to the junction of Rivers Diofo and Sirri and runs along the right bank of River Diofo until its junction with River Rikki."

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                    • 8 January 2012 17:40, by Rommel

                      Thence the boundary runs along the right bank of River
                      Rikki to the junction of Khor Uyudidesi with River Rikki East
                      of Jebel Jiowa… Thence crossing River Rikki in a straight line
                      to Jebel Meyepi to J. Tumrogo and thence to J. Abu Rasein on
                      Sudan–Equatorial Africa International Boundary (Republic of
                      Sudan, 1960, p. 473).

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                      • 8 January 2012 17:56, by mohammed ali

                        Rommel, I donnot know where are these rivers, haven’t heared of them!But it would have been much better if the SPLA brought these documents and complete the demarcation, instead of playing war games.Where is decree from Aboud to annex Huffrat-el-Nihas to Darfur?; that would be the strongest eveidence.This one I can’t claim to understand it and it is not a government decree!

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                        • 8 January 2012 18:08, by mohammed ali

                          Rommel, this written equatorial Africa international bounderies , not Bahr Algazal; again what is this referenc ( republic of Sudan page 473) What is this a book, a journal ,what is it?! You can’t just throw it like this give me accurate reference.Most importantantly give me Aboud’s decree to transfere the area to Darfur.That would be the most ligitimate document!

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                        • 8 January 2012 19:13, by Rommel

                          Do you know what a gazette is? It’s an official publication approved by the Government! So I am afraid that belies your precipitous dismissal of this significant document! The gazette [Government publication] recorded this specific change to the Bahr el ghazal/Darfur border. Do you understand?

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                          • 8 January 2012 19:32, by Rommel

                            You don’t understand the meaning of certain geographical constructs and their applications, do you? Equatorial Africa is a metonymy for territories intersecting the equator. The Government gazatte was recorded by a publication in a book! Your rant on the demarcation is terribly amusing. You’re of the opinion that the Referendum should of been contingent on the completion of the border

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                            • 8 January 2012 19:41, by Rommel

                              demarcation. An assertion so absurd and so blind in relation to the reality of the current impasse that it should elicit laughter if not revulsion. If Khartoum’s continuous, petulant and protracted refusal to implement the PCA ruling is anything to go by... then the Referendum would have been postponed for over two years! A prospect that could not be entertained, let alone permitted!

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                              • 8 January 2012 20:04, by Rommel

                                Where do you get the idea that we have not tabled claims to the Kafia Kingi enclave!? Do you just send these contrivances into emission as you go along? This area is disputed — we have not relinquished claims to it. What is the significance of your claims regarding the Darfur Sultanate? The Sultanate’s claims on Kafia Kingi were rejected by the British!

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                                • 8 January 2012 20:13, by Rommel

                                  Furthermore, the only borders of consequence are those at the essential date of 1956, with the sole exception being the Abyei protocol.

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                          • 8 January 2012 20:38, by mohammed ali

                            Rommel,You just republic of Sudan; it would have been very easy mention the gazette or the official government journal , instead of asking me a silly question.I wiil understand if you have been more specific by giving accurate dates and the reference or code of the order of the change. Certainly we have here very highly academics who will understands these thing far better than you do...

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                            • 8 January 2012 21:39, by mohammed ali

                              understand!Since you consider these are disputed ares why you put your SPLA?N there , it would be prudent to wait untill the dispute is resolved and then you claim you right.Using Darfur rebell against their own interest is not honest in your claim to defend their rights.It is not only Darfur, it is also SK and BN and you are using the same trick which is not going to succed.

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                              • 8 January 2012 22:04, by Rommel

                                I will continue to address you the way I always have > like an incorrigible child... and that won’t end so long as you continue to covet the territories of others. I personally do not agree with the support Juba affords the rebels in the Nuba Mts, Blue Nile and Darfur; the people of these three areas deserve peace and should not have the possibility of peace denied by a meddlesome neighbour.

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                                • 8 January 2012 22:15, by Rommel

                                  If Juba indeed has any love for the people of the Nuba Mts and Blue Nile, then they will not have them subjected to misery and death for little to no gain. These contemptible sheep should instead prepare for war with Khartoum by themselves by acquiring Russian, Israeli, British, German and American platforms. We are in a position to remove any advantages you may hold over us —

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                                  • 8 January 2012 22:23, by Rommel

                                    and are also in a position to exceed the capabilities of your armed forces, many, many times over. Abyei will be returned to South Sudan when these death deserving sheep are expelled from the political environment and replaced by noble dragons!

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        • 8 January 2012 14:31, by Logic

          Suppression of political freedom is not the same as suppressing for any other reason, Gaddafi gave his people a better quality of life than most African / Arab leaders ever did while depriving them of political dissent. Understand this!

          No leader is perfect, you must look at the bigger picture, he was a true visionary of an Africa without masters. As usual you failed to provide a single proof.

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          • 8 January 2012 17:39, by mohammed ali

            Logic, what quality of life he gave to them, that is not true? Lybians go to get medical treatment in Tunsia whic is much poorer than Lybia, because Lybian hospitals were garbage!They are only 6 millions producing 2 million barrels a day, and 30% of the people are under the poverty line.Donnot talk about things you donnot know!

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        • 8 January 2012 14:37, by Logic

          "evidence are abondon on all web sites and tv creens" Really Mohamed, lol, this is your evidence that JEM were brutally killing Libyans, you can do better than that.

          SRF is not a S. Sudanese conspiracy, its the result of oppression by the elite of Khartoum whom you blindly support. Its only a matter of time before you’ll be remembering this conversation about the end of the NCP.

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          • 8 January 2012 17:10, by mohammed ali

            Logic, you see their respose to what I said, ya jalabbi , ya atrash!

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        • 8 January 2012 14:56, by Logic

          So now you "Knew" Gaddafi personally ya Mohamed! loloolol, you’re truly a funny character. Your reply to SSLM/A S implies this.

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          • 8 January 2012 17:30, by mohammed ali

            Logic, where did I say or imply that I know him. I wouldn’t be proud, and I will be ashamed and wouldn’t bring it out.I am not sure who is funny, propably the one who imagine things!

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        • 8 January 2012 15:06, by Logic

          Gaddafi’s support for liberation movements in Africa is undisputed even by your own elite in Khartoum but of course they would label the recipients as "rebels" rather than freedom fighters.

          Your intellect is wasted ya Mohammed, stop supporting the NCP, redeem your soul. That’s not to say you must support the SRF blindly either, asses, analyze and conclude for yourself but be unbiased & fair.

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          • 8 January 2012 17:46, by mohammed ali

            Logic, Gadafi killed 1600 prisoners in Ben Ghazi.They are already prisoners,he killed them in one day, how can you defend such a creature.How can such a creature defend freedom while conspiring with CIA and M 15 to abduct his opponents from abroad.Be reasonable!

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    • 8 January 2012 11:34, by Deng II

      This is why I will never trust Islam world because they so devil and virus to other people, and believe in themselves. Libya people outcried for help from Gadhafi but they denied other legitamacy to live. These racist Islamic people don’t even care for live of black Africa instead for themselves.

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      • 8 January 2012 13:00, by mohammed ali

        Deng, the majority of Africa are muslims!

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    • 8 January 2012 11:45, by SSLA/M Supporter

      Mohammed ali

      It’s must be very good news if Darfur rebel brutally murdered pro NTC Libyans! Especially those terrorist Islamist group led by former notorious Guantanamo bay Al-Qaida detainee Hassan Belhag of course with the help of NATO terrorist organisation! Honestly speaking, I can do the same to them if I had a power to do so! Gadhafi King of the Kings was a true emancipator of the poor and..

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      • 8 January 2012 11:51, by SSLA/M Supporter

        the oppressed people of the planet earth! The biggest testimony was his support for all the liberation movements in Africa and worldwide regardless of race and the colour of those he supported!! Gadhafi will be remembered mostly by poor and the oppressed people worldwide as a true liberator and freedom fighter King of the Kings! I really love what Darfur rebel, Africans and Gadhafi’s loyalists....

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        • 8 January 2012 11:57, by SSLA/M Supporter

          did to those Libyan beasts! Those Islamist terrorists in Libya deserve to be wiped out of the Map of Africa simply because they don’t deserve to be there after the killing and torturing of Gadhafi Loyalists and African Migrant workers in Libya till this moment! I wish they were the one occupied by Israeli and not the poor Palestinian people!

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          • 8 January 2012 12:07, by SSLA/M Supporter

            Africans will never forgive them for their evil deeds! With help of Algeria and other African countries, Gadhafi loyalists will gain strength and power and they will payback those terrorists of NTC! The good news is that those NTC militias have started to fight over the power and leadership ,sooner they will head the Iraqi road of misery and the bloodshed after killing of President Saddam Hussen!

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            • 8 January 2012 12:14, by SSLA/M Supporter

              Correction!

              I meant to say it must be very good news and NOT it’s!

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            • 8 January 2012 12:28, by mohammed ali

              SSLA/M, you might say so, because you donnot Gadafi.He says one thing and does the opposite.From the begining how did Gadafi succeded in his coup!How could a very young Leutenant 27 years old was able to do that while there were two American bases and one British millitary base in Lybia? They could have squashed him in seconds ,but they didn’t,why ?This was the questions were asking for decades.

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              • 8 January 2012 12:36, by mohammed ali

                ..Gadafi had never supported any liberation movement in Africa.The opposite was true, he occuopied north chad ’ ozou" and claim it part of Lybia and supported division all over Africa and the world!Abdul Kareem Bel Hag was never in Guantinamo.He was mislead by the British who offered him visa in Thailand to be given in Hong Kong,when he rached a Lybian airoplane was ready to pick him from there...

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                • 8 January 2012 12:43, by mohammed ali

                  ..He was drugged and he his wife and childrens were all cuffed untill they arrived in Ben Ghazi.Imagine, his children only, hand cuffed in a flight which took about16 hours.This was done in collaboration of the British & American intelligent service.The story is from the Guardian.You still want to tell me he was fighting against imperialism.I lived and worked in Lybia and I can’t describe what...

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                  • 8 January 2012 12:53, by mohammed ali

                    .horror and fear the Lybians were living.They will never talk in politics with their own brothers and children!Bel Hag remained in underground jail for 7 years,didn’t have a bath for 1 year and didn’t see the sun for 3 years.Some Sudanese were arrested because they suspected that they were political activist.They were jailed for 15 days;the prison was inside a well; would you imagine that?!

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                    • 8 January 2012 12:57, by mohammed ali

                      Gadafi has no Lybian loyalist, may be less than 2% from his tribe.He had no army, he desolved it, beacause he trust none!

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                • 8 January 2012 13:23, by SSLA/M Supporter

                  Gadhafi rest in peace was only a human being just like you and I and I can’t deny that he had some of his weaknesses when he was alive! But what I am saying here is that whatever weaknesses he had his compassion for the poor and the oppressed people of the world can’t be denied as well! Honestly, I can’t recall any country he divided its people in African continent but I remember that he spent...

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                  • 8 January 2012 13:27, by SSLA/M Supporter

                    Libyan money to assist various poor Africans countries both economically and militarily, he financed many African national liberation movements to free their countries and people from European colonisation and suppression! ANC of SA, Zimbabwe etc are good exaples plus some European liberation movements such as IRA of UK! Gadhafi was a emancipator and the co-founder of African Union,

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                    • 8 January 2012 13:34, by SSLA/M Supporter

                      Pans Africa and was the only African leader who was advocating for United States of Africa, that will have single African currency, African army to defend Africa and one African passport even though his country was the richest in Africa, the financer of Al fahta tour in Khartoum the list continue! No, Afirca let him down because Arab leaders didn’t like him for his love for our African continent!

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                      • 8 January 2012 13:42, by SSLA/M Supporter

                        King Gadhafi has loyalists from Poor Libyans and Poor and suppressed people of the world that used to be supported by him! Millions can go to Libya and defend him if not because of NATO that blocked the way in and out of Libya! His weakness was his obsession with power but that is the nature of all African leaders including our own in the Greater Sudan, sorry but that is the reality of today!

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                • 8 January 2012 18:12, by Dinka Aliap Chawul

                  what Basir and ANC wants is to re-position themselves within Arab countries and seek support 4rm dem against imminent threat from ICC and South sudan especially in area of inditement and war over borders.Plz libyians! Basir isnt helping u but seek ur support economically and in a military field.Notice he’s intending to smear u with his hands full of Sudanese and neighbiours bloodr.UNSC will raise

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                  • 8 January 2012 18:25, by Dinka Aliap Chawul

                    doubt over ur credability to rule of law and humanrights issues,look the same net that u’re free from by UNSC and NATO is onethat u want to throw ur marginalise colleagues of Darfur,BN,SK and Eastern Sudan.Plz review relation b4 u proceed.

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                    • 8 January 2012 19:02, by mohammed ali

                      Dinka Aliab,...... and keep a blind eye and deaf ears to to cries of children in Pibor, while am celebrating Christhmas. Your name doesn’t qualify you talk about human rights. With due respect to all tribes of Sudan, putting your name as tribe tells alot about your own respect to your fellow countrymen from other tribes.Humanity first, then nation and not the tribe!

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    • 8 January 2012 13:42, by Ambowl Papakayo

      My countryman Ali, I think this is your time to prepare where to store your stolen public resources and your body too.SRFs are just everywhere within Sudan and will explode soon. Your incompetent father, Bashir who doesn’t care about his subjects has gone to Libya to seek a later exile because 2012 has two options for him; DEATH or ICC and in the latter case, he will face death.So decide soon!

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      • 8 January 2012 14:11, by mohammed ali

        You haven’t change your name to Nubian name!What public resources you are talking about?and my body too! Are you planing to kill me?am scared!Sudan will never explode even your dream.Your threat is empty and has no value.Come to Sudan and you will be with the most refine, genorous and peacful pple on Earth,instead of waisting your time in hatred and dreams of destruction.We want constructive pple

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        • 8 January 2012 17:09, by Ming Dhal

          Mohamed Ali

          Please what so every you wishes will never happen and mind you Bashir must face the law and answer what he did through out the country and you confused Arabs will too follow

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  • 8 January 2012 17:04, by sam carrington

    The NATO imposed NTC has no legitimacy in Libya
    See a compilation of a small sample of footage, recorded in July 2011, documenting the mass support of the Libyan people for the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya and their opposition to the barbaric NATO bombing and the NATO backed rebels. These events were given little or no coverage in the pro NATO mainstream media, as to have done so would have exposed the

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