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February 5, 2011 (JUBA) – South Sudan will soon begin to implement a huge project of building a modern new capital city for the newly independent state, saying the historical regional capital, Juba, does not meet what is required of a national capital in terms of infrastructure for public institutions, investment and the accommodation of diplomatic missions.

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Aerial view of Juba (Wikipedia)

After a referendum in January, in which 99 percent of southern Sudanese voted to separate from the north, the southern region is expected to become independent in July.

Several groups of potential investors who had interest to invest in the capital for the last six years failed to do so because of lack of land for investment, the south says. The southern government also has not built permanent structures for its executive, legislative and judicial institutions as the status of the town had not been settled. In Juba, which hosts about a million people, thousands of citizens have failed to legally acquire plots of land to build on.

Dozens of countries are expected to recognize the new independent state and will need pieces of land on which to establish their respective embassies.

Juba, which was established almost a century ago, by British colonial administrators, as the headquarters of former Southern Sudan’s three regions of Greater Bahr el Ghazal, Upper Nile and Equatoria, is said to have been disorganized, particularly for the last six years during its fast growing expansion. Officials say this is because of endless wrangling over jurisdictions of its administration by different levels of government, coupled with lack of standardized housing and poor surveying.

The semi-autonomous Government of Southern Sudan (GoSS) has used Juba as the seat of the government, in accordance with the region’s interim constitution of 2005. Juba is also state capital of Central Equatoria

The local Bari community of Juba has cautioned against expanding Juba to incorporate the surrounding villages without their permission, quoting the provision in the interim constitution which stipulates that land belongs to the people, making it difficult for both GoSS and state to expand.

The GoSS, which serves as the highest authority overseeing the ten states of the semi-autonomous region, has for the past five years requested the Central Equatoria state government to relocate its capital to any of its other towns or locations, but the request was rejected.

Two years ago, the GoSS also came up with an alternative proposal to leave Juba for Central Equatoria state and establish a new capital at Gondokora Island, north of Juba, so that the two capitals could co-exist as twin cities. The proposal was also rejected by members of Bari community elders and intellectuals, according to officials.

In the resolution passed on Friday in a Council of Ministers meeting chaired by President Salva Kiir Mayardit, the government reached a decision to relocate the capital to a “befitting” new location elsewhere in the South.

The minister of information and official spokesman of the government, Barnaba Marial Benjamin, told the press that the “new capital would befit the new state of South Sudan.” He said the decision was not against any community or authority, but in the interest of the new nation.

He said two competing locations have been proposed for study before the government could choose one as a federal territory in which it will build the new capital. One of the proposed locations is an area which straddles four states; the north-eastern part of Central Equatoria, north-western part of Eastern Equatoria, south western part of Jonglei and south eastern part of Lakes state.

Another proposed location for the capital is Ramciel, which officials say is the geographic center of South Sudan has been the choice of SPLM – the former rebels who now govern South Sudan - since 2003. It is located in north-eastern part of Lakes state, near the border with Unity state to the North and Jonglei state to the East.

Marial added that a ministerial committee will be constituted by the president to visit the two proposed locations, study their respective topographies and seek consent of the communities inhabiting the areas and report back the findings within three weeks.

Citizens who spoke to Sudan Tribune in Juba on Saturday backed the idea of a new capital. A Juba University student who wanted to be identified only as Achol said: “I am very happy to hear that we will have a new modern capital city. Juba is so congested and disorganized. And besides, the state authority is not giving land to people who want to build houses. Juba is also nearer to Uganda and far from the rest of states and counties such as those of Tonj West in Warrap and Renk in Upper Nile. We want a capital in the center of South Sudan.”

“Yes let them relocate [the capital]. Juba of today is not the way it used to be, it has been spoiled by land grabbers. Legally acquired plots of people have been robbed by land grabbers who are new comers to this town. It will be a good chance to recover such lands once the capital is relocated,” said another, Michael Peter.

“The government is right to decide on best way of doing things. The capital city can be put anywhere in Southern Sudan. It doesn’t matter where it would be located as long as it is suitable and communities or authorities of such locations accept to give that land to the government to be the capital,” said a government official who did not want to be named.

While officials say it is important to consult host communities and seek their consent, they also explained that the provision of the CPA [Comprehensive Peace Agreement) and the interim constitution, which stipulates that land belongs to the people or community, has been misinterpreted or misunderstood by the communities. They further argued that the same provision further explained that the land will be managed by the government on behalf of the people, which they said acknowledges the government as the authority to decide and supervise on usage of land.

Marial said the ambitious project will not compromise other competing priorities in the service delivery and development of South Sudan in the coming period. If a new location is confirmed, the new independent country will contract companies or firms to do a feasibility study, as well as come up with the cost of building the new modern capital and attract investors who can finance the city project.

Officials say it could take at least five years to complete building the city.

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  • 6 February 2011 07:16, by Abionmur!

    Gatwech,

    It is a shame that Nuer put all their future and hope in Ngundeng prophesies.
    What is important is making your own decision but not rely wholy on the idol prophesies.
    Well we shall be making histories and your duty would be to just relate them to Ngundeng.
    The name of the New capital is "Ramciel", a Dinka word meaning the animals called "ciel" fighting "field".
    "Ram" in Dinka mean fighting and Ciel are animals called ciel in Dinka.All together when added up mean "Ramciel".
    Remember it was Dr John Garang who came up with this idea of new capital and the new name.
    Who cares if Ngundeng could predict Dinka’s dominant and history as long as it is attributed to Dinka.

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    • 6 February 2011 07:38, by Gatwech

      Dear readers,

      What does this prophesy of Ngundeng mean, is it a coincidence? Read it below:

      In Nuer: “Waale ba pal mat keel, bako bieh wec we tong, ci deng riek ni maat. Thiele how cok mi nang wec dor muoc deng ni jiok. Loka gok mi dual cie bi nang jen dor. Kan dhol mi dhol gandol met nen.”

      In English: “This year we will have a joint prayer (celebrations), we will build the country’s capital (headquarters), God has united (put together) shrines. There is no ant that will take the country to wilderness... I don’t like a fearful prophet (leader?), and will not be the one to take it to the wilderness. I have never seen a boy like the boy of “gandol.”

      Bieh to Ngundeng means a headquarters or capital.

      While I could understand the first sentence of the prediction to mean our new capital, I fail to understand the second sentence which talks about wilderness or fearful prophet (leader?). What wilderness and fearful leader (prophet) is Ngundeng talking about?

      Welcome our new capital in the wilderness!

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      • 6 February 2011 07:42, by Gatwech

        Abionmur,

        Take it easy man. It is not a Nuer fault that Ngundeng’s prophesies come true. It is our destiny we should all embrace.

        Yes, Ngundeng might have used Garang to choose Ramciel or Ramkiel (group of rhinos in Nuer).

        Ngundeng used Professor Mohamed Ibrahim to approve the symbol of ONE HAND for separation which he predicted.

        What should we do, Abionmur, when Ngundeng’s prophesies come true. Should we just feel jealous about them?

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        • 6 February 2011 08:37, by Nhomlawda

          Gatwech,

          Ngundeng also said that Nuer is a cursed community and will always be led by Jieng.
          Do you also believe in that?
          If not than please stop bothering us on useless things.
          Muonyjamg does not believe in idols but God.
          Believing in idols is what is confusing Nuer everywhere they are. Either with Arabs or southerners, they are causing havoc, what a shame?

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          • 6 February 2011 11:10, by Gatwech

            Nhomlawda,

            I thought you are following without any resistence the realization of prophesies foretold by the Prophet you want to describe as idol.

            Even Jesus said a prophet is not believed in his own homeland. You don’t want to admit Ngundeng as prophet because he is from Nuer or a black man.

            But he predicted ten states, and now you have them.

            He predicted independent South Sudan, despite your so-called united new sudan vision, but you failed and now you are enjoying the separation with the rest of us as predicted by Ngundeng.

            He predicted the one-hand which has become true through the symbol of one-hand for separation.

            He has predicted the capital city called Ramkiel (group of rhinos in Nuer language) and now you want to call it a prediction from an idol.

            Guys, if the idol can shape the destiny of the nation, then you better believe it the easy way and not ask for the hard way.

            Don’t lie that Ngundeng said the Nuer will be led by Dinka. Yes, Ngundeng cursed both Dinka and Nuer but he finally predicted their restoration and brighter future. That is the reality,and the rest is history that will unfold.

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            • 6 February 2011 14:02, by Nhomlawda

              Gatwech,

              Ngundeng had cursed Nuer as confirmed by you and it is time Nuer repent and worship God to be forgiven.
              Ngundeng is dead and he cannot forgive Nuer anymore; it is only Almighty God who can redeem Nuer from this madness and curse.
              Nuer soldiers since 1991 are being used as axes of evil in South Sudan, an evident of Ngundeng curse upon them. It is time to think about their presence in South Sudan army.
              The only way to get out of Nuer problem is to disarm them whether in SPLA or SAF and ensure no guns infiltrate their land again.
              Remember when Paulino Matip was ill and rumored dead in South Africa’s hospital. Nuer accused Dinka of his illness and almost caused havoc in Juba until Paulino Matip was forced from his hotel bed in Kenya to call in order to calm them.
              Assuming one of their politicians or warlords is killed by thugs or get accident, they will blame Dinka in order to cuase brutal and indiscriminate fighting like what is now happening in Upper Nile.
              Nuer are useless soldiers and must be removed from the military if peace is to be realized. NIF/NCP regime in Khartoum was using them against South Sudan liberation struggle effectively because Nuer soldiers are good mercaneries.
              Nuer soldiers are only loyal to Nuer politicians or warlords but not to national defense system or national interests. Pathetic.

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              • 6 February 2011 14:12, by Gatwech

                Nhomlawda,

                You are a semi-illiterate who did not understand what I meant by "curse and restoration."

                Read my message again before you just call it a confirmation of Nuer curse!

                Read well and think before you type and send replies, okay?

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          • 7 February 2011 01:48, by Agutran

            Agreed, time to go, but do we have the right location? Building a city from the location that has no natural resources that will support fundamental infrastructures is challenging.

            The natural resources I means are, high elevation, and mountainous regions that will be use to extract concrete and asphalt.
            Concrete and Asphalt are the most popular materials and are so vital for building roads, government building, hotels and most importantly the first class world airports.

            The place or region that met these qualifications is Buma. Buma is the mountainous region of Kachipo Tripe County in the most eastern part of Jonglei State. Kachipo tribe is the tribe that has no record of any discrimination against other tribes and they deserve to be showered with the wealth of the new nation’s city.

            To erect a new city from nothing, it will require billions if not tens or even hundreds of billions tons of concrete and Asphalt and the price tag will not be cheap if we extract and transport all that from a very long distant.

            Buma was a strategic location during the time of struggle and therefore it deserved to be given a historic conversion. But it’s up the urban planners to decide on the merits and demerits of any location.

            The bottom line is we want to give those who belief that their land is being grabbed by force a freedom to own their land.

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        • 6 February 2011 09:36, by junub

          Gatwich,

          You guys got it wrong again on the name Ramciel, it isn’t a place where rhinos fight in Dinka as my brother misinterpreted nor is it a group name for rhinos in Nuer dialect.

          Correction, the name isn’t from the Nuer but rather is borrowed from the Dinka language which means MEETING CENTER. To brake it down ease to you what this compound noun might means, the RAM in dinka means meeting while the CIEL also in dinka means center.

          It is simple as that folks. I don’t know really why it shouldn’t have took you that while that it has much to do with the animal, Rhino.

          My suggestion to the name is that our capital should be name after GARANG as the Washington DC is in the United States of America.

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          • 6 February 2011 09:47, by Gat-khir

            ATHOT!!! That is big NO. Go and call your capital town of Jonglei after him.

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          • 6 February 2011 11:19, by Gatwech

            Jinub and Nhomlawda,

            It is funny that you the two Dinka don’t agree on what Ramciel means in Dinka.

            May be one is Dinka Bor and the other is Dinka Bahre el Ghazal. That is your own problem if the Dinka don’t have a common language.

            But the Nuer do have one language from Bul-Nuer bordering Warrap state straight across the Nile to Gaajak-Nuer bordering with Ethiopia in the extreme eastern part of Upper Nile state.

            Ram-Kiel in Nuer means group of rhinos. Ram mean group and kiel means rhino (that type of animal).

            Again, if you spell it as Ramkel, it would mean "one person", but the pronunciation would change.

            I hope I have made it clear. And to educate you more, the people of Yirol in which Ramkiel or Ramciel is situated have a mixed language of half Nuer, half Dinka.

            You need to understand that factor, okay?

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        • 6 February 2011 13:31, by Dinkanuer

          Hello Bari! It will be shameful to hear that you are threatening GoSS in Juba land. First of all, I would like to let you know that thousands of people died there in Juba including my three brothers from the same mother. You need to understand this! It’s not a joke! And thousands of people were not belong to Bari or Ecuadorian a lone. You must understand and think twice before refusing to talk with the government; you have right to divided the land such as the following. Certain place for local people, one for state, and other part for federal government. Dr. Garang himself told people that if he died, he will be buried in Juba. The same Dr. Garang was the one who proposed Ramciel to be a Capital of South Sudan.
          Guys! If he like to be buried in Juba and Ramciel to be Capital! What that mean to you? Garang was tried to give us two example things, one was New York as well as Juba for commercial purposes and Washington D.C to Ramciel as for politics. It’s not a bad idea to relocated capital in Ramciel or wherever they decided. There are many complains about lives in Juba since the transition of Anya fighters into GoSS six years ago from today that Equatorian are murdering and killing people with their magic which also call dawa or Waal ke duor? Why don’t you use those magic’s power to kill our enemies which were Arabs. Arabs Military were fucking all Equatorian men together with their women before the SPLM/A fighters came into Juba and you did nothing to Arabs. Now you turn those magician ideas against your brothers and sisters. Shame on you Bari!

          For those who are still using Ngundeng ideologically, please be inform! Ngundeng had shameful things to be said about him. First,

          He was not a Prophet but a profit to his royalist in Nuer.
          He had many names according to his activities in many parts of South Sudan.
          He was a Cannibal animal according to Nuer man who doesn’t need to be mentioned
          His first name was Ngundeng-meaning that he was send by God.
          After he gone wild and ran away.
          His name changed to be Gatluakmanguel in Nuer dialect.
          He ate many Nuer men and women in Nuer Land
          Dinka. His name was Manyang e Juet.
          He ate many children, animal claviers and cows’s bulls in Dinka Land.
          Equatoria with different languages including English and Arabic
          His name was Tiger

          The Nuer man who refused to be target by Ngundeng’s salves pointed out that. Ngundeng had no father or mother but the Devil who came out in the River Nile in a form of fish, when the Nuer boys want for fishing. They fish for so many hours and they caught nothing, when the boys get tied and ready to go back home. One of them told other guys that there was a fish ate his hook lastly, the boy convinced other friends to tried one more time! Shortly after he putted on snail body on the hook, he had thrown it into Nile River. Immediately, Ngundeng was caught. The boy was attempting to pull the Fish Ngundeng out in the river but it was difficult for him to do so, then he called his associates to pull Ngundeng on the shore. They brought it out and they were smile some of them were told to go and collect firewood in order for the young men to roast their fish.

          Unfortunately! The Fish Ngundeng changed into big snake! And the boys ran away from it, the boys thought that they were dreaming and they came back for the second times. The Snake Ngundeng light it body and become bright as well as electricity light. They ran home and they spread the news to the community, when the Nuer elders came to the place where Ngundeng was pulled. It was still there as snake with it light. People gather together around it and started asking question how did this happen? The Snake Ngundeng changed into human being and told people not to run away. All of them were shocking and scary to death except Human Ngundeng who perform such witchcraft. things "Come down, come down now!" The Human Ngundeng said. Who are you? The Nuer elders asked him. I am Nyajok_ which mean woman devil! The Human Ngundeng answer! She knew her own physical appearance as she is a hermaphrodite. (A person with both the organs of a man and a woman) Wow! Brothers and sisters of Nuer I am sorry for your Profit. Nyajok Ngundeng was not a Prohet? It was your profit to cheat people for his power but It was not a Prophet? It was a Satan?

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          • 6 February 2011 14:16, by Gatwech

            Dinkanuer,

            I know a Dinka would waste his precious time fighting against God’s work.

            Cry and cry and cry with jealousy to convince others against Ngundeng’s true being.

            You will be just bringing curse to yourself in the process. Do you think you will change his prophesies that are fast unfolding.

            No, my friend. You are wasting time!

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          • 7 February 2011 02:09, by Dinka-Defender-General

            You’re definitely right my friend. It’s true. Many Southerners have died during war in Juba.My brother and three cousins were killed in Juba in 1992. I was injured three times in Margeri. I was under fourteen years old during that time. However, I think it’s good to relocate the capital city to another area where people could be freed and peaceful. We need to enjoy our lives and Ramciel will be a great place to enjoy a peace. Equarterians will regret later years. They were supposed to enjoy peace and stability of new government, but I guess not now. Six years ago, people were rushing to buy properties in Juba,and I told them to wait until 2011 after independent. They laughed at me and ignored my advised. Now, if capital moves to Ramciel as you see, they will lost property values. Well, let’s us move to peace area. I can’t wait for July 9, 2011.

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          • 7 February 2011 07:23, by Lo-Margarita

            Dinkanuer,

            It is a pity that we still have people of your caliber in our midst whose hatred of Equatorians (NOT Ecuadorians you shit head) stems from God Knows where. You accuse Equatorians of bewitching your bretheren, but NO, you go fucking anything with a skirt on, contract AIDS and say you guys are bewitched. Which tribe in South Sudan has the highest HIV/AIDS prevelance? Its your type! You also callously mentione the loss of your bretheren in Juba, as though they were the only one who died in Juba. Again which tribe has been fucked by the Arabs left centr and right if not your own, which again has the highest number of Arab Bastards. Wake up.. the New Sudan does not need people of your kind, or else your hatred will eat you up slowly and blame it on an Equatorian for bewitching you!

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          • 7 February 2011 18:54, by emmanuel adol

            I am seriously disappointed with your irrelevant writings and it seems like you are not within south to claim the realities on the ground your three brothers whom lost or died in war is just being a claim to forge unforeseen history .in anyway bari community did not ask you to fight on behave of the land did they?i think no but this is not the case u people have a very differed agenda but just to encoat the agenda u start claiming losing brothers and so fort. talking about men and women from equatoria being fucked by arabs is just an empty thinking and what left those queens and kings apart from equatoria from being fucked by arabs specially in those areas which where control by arabs namely bor ,aweil, malakal ,bentiu,renk ,wau,pariang and so forth if men where fucked in juba that means vice verser to above locations.

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        • 8 February 2011 07:25, by Willsonyoung

          The Prophert NGUNDENG Predicted Ramciel as a New Capital

          According to Prophert Ngundeng" he said that the Ramciel will be new capital for new nation.

          Also, Prophert Ngundeng predicted that all Dinkas living in Upper Nile will be moving to Ramciel area as their new homeland.

          Then, there will be no more Dinkas with so many complain about other tribes living in Upper Nile. The Upper Nile will be run by people of Upper Nile.

          Thanks

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      • 6 February 2011 07:44, by Bol Deng

        Gatwech,

        Leave our Idol alone.Which city did Ngundeng though to be Capital of South?

        Why are you talking about the idol of long time ago if you not that idol worshiper. Sorry for you dear bro!

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    • 6 February 2011 07:46, by Jayo

      Abionmur;

      You need to grow intelectually man.This news article does not have anything to do with Gatwech or Ngundeng.It is about urban planning by the government of South Sudan.It does not have anything to do with Dinka as a tribe either.

      Your tribally twisted brain associate every issue with tribe.This is about land and feasibility of a commercial and administrative centre.If this is what our leaders agree upon,then we have to back them. Juba will still remain the great historic and commercial centre for South Sudan.Remember John Garang Mosleum will remain in Juba.

      For your information "Ramciel" does not mean some animals fighting in Dinka Language.I know it may mean "rhino fighting" in Dinka Bor dialect but that is not what it mean in Lake State.The name of the place mean "meet at the centre"."Ram" mean "meet" and "ciel" mean "centre".

      I was not for the idea of relocating the capital but if that is what the government want,then I don’t have a concrete reason to object it either.

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      • 6 February 2011 08:35, by Abionmur!

        Jayo,

        What a magnificient discovery that "Ramciel" could either mean " meet in the middle" or fighting in the middle".
        Despite our disagreement we did indeed agreed that the new capital’s name hail from a Dinka terminologies.
        "Ram" in indeed mean " fight or meet" and "ciel" mean "middle or an animal called ciel(Rhino).
        However, since we share the name cil with Nuer we should disregard it.
        I agree we must adopt your definition which we all Dinka share.

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    • 6 February 2011 08:15, by Dengcol malual

      Abiormur,

      what are you talking about and what animal is called Ciel in Dinka language? psychopath ideology is not a way forward and we should let it go with the old Sudan. why do people in this network look everything and judge everything in tribal term. it seems like there is nothing we can do without tribe in it.

      when did Dr. John Garang talked about South Sudan new capital called Ramciel?

      In Dinka language i know " ciel" mean between or middle for example, yin ba yook ciel or raan wen ka ke kaac ne kooc ciel yic.

      Ram can mean "meet" for example, "wo be ram ciel" also Ramciel can "Fight in the middle"

      according to what i know about the history of Ramciel, it is a place where people or communities in surrounding area meet when they have ceremony or any gathering because it is in the middle or between the communities and that place is fair to everybody or communities in term of distance. so people say let meet in between or in the middle which mean in the Dinka language i know "Ramciel"

      i wish South Sudanese should see things beyond tribal line

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      • 6 February 2011 08:25, by Bol Deng

        Dear Dengco Malual,

        Ramciel mean meet in the Middle ( Dinka dialect).The meaning remain the same though the spelling differ. Some Dinka say Romchiel/Romchiel while others say ramciel.I agree with you.

        You should reordered the speeches that Dr John Garang in order to confirmed what he said about Romchiel/Ramchiel/Ramciel.

        Dr Garang proposed this after he thought of Rumbek. Please every one knows this execept those who are far from SPLM/A history. This is not about tribal dear brother. Thanks

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      • 6 February 2011 21:22, by piol

        Dengchol Malual .Between means kaam in dinka. For example wau atou kaam rumbek ku awiel.

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    • 6 February 2011 10:13, by Raan naath

      Ya guacmuok or whatever you call yourself Abiormur, remember Ngundeng prophecies still coming whether you like it or not!! Let me tell you the meaning the "ward Ramciel" it mean thin Dinka not like the rubbish you mention dog.

      You Dinka always proud of nothing and this time think now a day south Sudanese wise enough to kick you away from ruling soon, believe or not.

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      • 6 February 2011 10:56, by the landlord

        mr half raan nuer
        you are just danciong under the shadow of really koc which main monyjang
        enjoy the dance that you love and i know that the following had being done by DINKAS as a father of this sudan

        The superpower of Dinkas and their strategy MONJANG/DINKA cannot be deceived easily otherwise we would have not reached this golden opportunity. Hope and willingness can bring you bright future. A superpower is a state with a dominant position in the international system which has the ability to influence events and its own interests and project power on a worldwide scale to protect those interests. A superpower is traditionally considered to be one step higher than a great power
        To all southerners, this is a time to thank the great leadership of Dinka for this freedom of today. May God bless south Sudan and their brave leader

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    • 6 February 2011 18:32, by mack waweru

      Nhomlowda,

      Far from it, "Ramciel" doesn’t mean in Dinka, mice fighting, but "Ram" means, meet and "ciel" means centre. Therefore, Ramciel means, "Meet in the Centre". Since this location is the central area of South Sudan, it is a suitable place. Whether Prophet Ngundeng is right or not, the fact is that it’s going to be the capital of our new state and there is consensus on this location even before the CPA.
      I also advise you to keep away with your tribal language. Your comments are always good, but don’t taint yourself with tribalism.

      Mack Awer

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    • 6 February 2011 19:31, by daniel kiir

      Land prices are very expensive in juba; people that are in my situation can’t afford to live there. Regardless of the name of the new capital we need the land to be affordable; I would like to build a house in the capital, and open a business as well so I hope that land will be cheaper in the new capital.

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  • 6 February 2011 07:32, by Nhomlawda

    It is good to relocate capital city to Ramciel or somewhere as proposed.
    Juba residents are sick in mind, you can not enjoy land if it is not turned into something productive. They had been in Juba for 100s of years and did not get anything out of it till GOSS came.
    We can now honor our heroes, heroines, and significant liberation events freely by naming streets, estates, buildings, and public installations after them.

    We can develop the best city in Africa without jump in the future and with ultra modern facilities.
    Let Bari and their supporters eat their Juba and its land.
    They will lose must of the population in Juba and their counties will be reduced to two only if they are lucky.
    Complaints after complaints is not good. Let them do what they want to do with Juba now. Juba will not benefit from new government allocations till all state capitals are brought to the same level or higher. This will be a punishment to their poor thinkings.
    All regional assets in Juba will be auctioned to the general public and current ministries turned to a university.

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    • 6 February 2011 08:00, by maduel Anok

      Dear Readers,

      The new proposed capital city of our newly independent country has come at good time, Juba according to geologists predicted that its not good for the capital let alone blockage laid forth by the community inhabiting it at the present. Politicans for the years of the interim government marketed themselves at the pretense of Juba that its grabbed and used by those they alleged to be Dinka and Nuer as if they are the only southern sudanese or as if their land have salt or magnetic which does attract people to Juba and else where in central Equatoria state forgetting that Capital city is for all the citizens of the country.

      In the newly proposed site, all including central Equatorians will be accommodated and be given land like other southern sudanese.. Now you can continue using Juba and annexing Juba wherever you want it be taken, its under your immediate responsibility, Atleast, voices sound loud on land grabbing shall soon stop.

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  • 6 February 2011 07:38, by Bol Deng

    I agree that Juba has been considered by Bari people as their own land while not knowing the great human sacrifices that SPLM/A enforced on Juba during the war.

    I would be glad to accepted the relocation of our capital if those who think Juba is there own land want this in a respectful way. But if they want Juba by themselves by force,the Juba is going to remain the capital.

    Ramciel has been proposed longtime ago by Dr John Garang de Mabior but this proposal was put in rest because we thought that Juba is our city which some kind of development.

    The central equatoria need to be asked whether they want the rest of Southerners to live Juba because they thought the Juba land belong to them. If that the case then who has liberate those EQ states? this is more than creating chaos!

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    • 7 February 2011 18:20, by emmanuel adol

      this is absolutely misconception somebewitched headed have took it,SPLA/M was not for anybody but was for whole south and indeed for sudan but people like you are claiming to be owning forgetting that spla/m was a result of unfulfil desires of southern people after penning adis ababa peace accord so far whatever sacrifices you mean every community have encounter so there is no need for irrelevant claims that does no longer have momenteous mountings, there is nothing like by force little jerk do not undercast anything that you think you can just easily smash and be folded to dust bin is quite uneasy to do so the only means is to engage with communities around the which locations suggested by GOSS. JUBA IS NOT FOR WHOLE CENTRAL EQUATORIA AND EQUATORIA IN GENERAL AS YOU CLAIM DO NOT GET IT TWISTED.

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  • 6 February 2011 07:39, by oshay

    I suppose the new Capital would be called Dinka-ville to represent the dinka dominated government. It’s a shame that they can’t develop Juba so they just go somewhere else and in typical dinka fashion, land grab someone else’s home.

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    • 6 February 2011 08:33, by Land-of-Cush

      Gatwich

      Why Southerners chosed to vote with open hand as logo rather than choosing different logo as symbol for south Sudan referendum? I know most of us believe and give the name as bye, bye to north. This would be correct but the reality should be told when we do more researches about our history if I have traced you back to centuries ago.

      To bring your attention shortly Ngundeng Bong known as prophet (Gook in Nuer) from Gajaak Kier who migrated to Lou Nuer of Wechdeng as a family of his mother Nyayiel. Ngundeng promises more about South Sudan in form of songs and spoken words (eg) he say that my flag would not be mixed up with Arab flag (Cha bera bi mat ke ber rual) this show the secession of referendum today.

      Come to one hand logo Ngundeng Warned people of South Sudan through Lou Nuer community when they were dictated Ngundeng’s prophecy he told them that you will finished sons of my uncle until you fit in my open hand. Lou Nuer elders who were present have reacted and said Gatnyayiel you are a liar and your mentality is become true, how will we fit in your single hand? And he replied to them; that is not my really hand but hand of God. Therefore our hand logo is an Ngundeng promise hand.

      On your interperation about Ngundeng’s prophecy particular (ba riekni maat) Mean Unity among southerners and (ba bie ku tong) mean building of capital city. about dhol Gaandol Keep it in hold I will let you kow next time.

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      • 6 February 2011 10:35, by the landlord

        Dear mr land of Cush

        you are really a lagend educated son of theMonyjang keep up mr ngoundeng has already cruse this littil commubity called nuer to be second class citizen in their kife time in south sudan and to be nyagateen of all time

        what short trip death to reik machar teny ngoundeng dhurgonis

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      • 6 February 2011 11:38, by Gatwech

        Land-of-Cush,

        Thank you for your brilliant understanding of Ngundeng’s prophesies.

        Our cousins are just jealous about their destiny being foretold by a Nuer prophet, not because they don’t believe in them. Actually the jealousy is being brought about by their fear of unknown future.

        But that is a baseless fear because Ngundeng is for all of us. When he predicted an independent South, he didn’t mean it for Nuer alone.

        Yes as you said, Ngundeng predicted that his flag will not be mixed with the flag of the North (Jallaba). Some of these guys did not believe it and wasted time pursuing a useless vision of united sudan.

        Oh, yes, in July 9, when the Northern flag is lowered down and sent to the North and the new flag of Ngundeng is rolled up in the skies alone, then that is when such doubting Thomases will begin to think twice!!!

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    • 6 February 2011 10:31, by Aleu

      Oshay.

      It is obviously that, you against Dinka particuliar because the Dinka tribe don’t want North Sudan’s ruler government to continues mistreating Southern Sudanese people and looting resources in Southern Sudan.I think your desperation about Southern Sudan’s independence has no medicines to cure you, but it left you guys with lealousy that, will lead you hopelessness and helplessness. One from Northern Said, early 30 years ago and I’’if you against Dinka in Sudan then, you will have no future in the Sudan. Oshay, Dinka still can play role if even when Southern Sudan has gain its independence, because Dinka is relate to all these Black African tribes in Sudan.

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  • 6 February 2011 09:34, by Janafil

    I agree Ramceil should be a new capital city of the new Country.
    I think Biomur and Oshay are crazy, look here the meaning of Ramceil if needed to be explain very well in dinka language the word ram mean, meet, and ceil mean the middle, and in combining them Ramceil mean meet in the middle and so Ramceil bring Equatoria ,Uper Nile, Jongle, Bhar el Gazal together and there is no body here to claim the land like what Equatorian are doing in Juba and if you people are selfish to use this name as a name given to a new Capital city of the new Country as proposed by the late Dr. John because it is dinka language , then that is the things to be negotaited at the GOSS assembly.Many dinkas dies in Juba during the war time and few equatorian dies and most of Equatorians who dies are those who were inside Juba when they were with Arab and non of equatorian dies in Dinka area during the war. And 100% you can believe me without the strungle from dinka to offer thier lifes this peace and the independent of the South would have not been posible.
    So you need to stop talking about dinka enough is enough! I know Equatorian during the war time were almost to leave Sudan including Eqatoria land to be the Citizen of Uganda how comes now they said Juba land is thiers alon so let them remain with thier Juba they are selfish and the capital be shifted to the land that don’t have problem.and let me tell you guys one time dinka will get annoyed and discharge you out of your land if you keep insulting dinkas with these bad habit of yours dinka, dinkas are warriors and you know it youself so please lets stay peacefully as brothers, avoicd insulting ourselves and let build our new Country and for those of Oshay who are Southerners leave us alon.

    Dinka oyeeeeeeeeeee
    Warriors Oyeeeeeee
    Liberators Oyee

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    • 7 February 2011 09:24, by Padiet Deng Alony

      You are Right Janafil

      Ram mean meet and ciel mean middle that mean meet at the middle in Dinka Apadang too. Ramkiel is another term that mean rhinos fight.

      Bravo the relocation of capital to Ramciel we will all meet in the middle soon.that is the right site as per Urban and Social structure. the capital of any country should be in the middle, juba is at the border that make it not to be capital.

      I hope that the people of Mundari/Bari are happy of that decision now time for them to develope it.

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  • 6 February 2011 09:38, by Gat-khir

    Relocating the Capital of southern sudan is highly welcomes.John Garang was not the one who proposed Ramchiel in the first place but he was following the foot-steps of those who proposed it long ago. ask anyone who was there in Anya anya one and he will not fail to tell you what was said about Ramciel should the southern sudan become an independent state.

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    • 6 February 2011 10:20, by Victory

      I welcome this idea of relocating the capital city,& i suggest that it should be relocate after each 4-5 years to another place for the purpose of overall development.thnx.

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    • 6 February 2011 12:08, by the landlord

      Mr riek machar teny doggon is a symble of death in south sudan

      death to him
      He don’t have children since he is wanton in his life

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  • 6 February 2011 10:15, by Aleu

    Dear GOSS/New Sudan.

    Relocated of Capital from Juba to different place is the good Idea and I think there is no argument on that. First of all. Juba area is the earthquatkes zone if anyone would really remembering what happened in 1998, when the earthquake was shaken badly that caused many people to death in Juba. I am not real familiar with Ramiciel area, but if it is safe then, there is no problem.

    I think the best area that, I know very well is the Yriol district which it will combining or in another word, the center of Southern Sudan. Yriol is the best area in my mind, because it is also too close to Nile River which is a good thing for Capital city and as well as the environment is so beautiful. I am suggesting even though I did not see the Ramiciel but I knew the whole Equatoria up to Bahr al Ghazal regions and I belief the Ramiciel is very much too close to Juba if I am not wrong to mention this however, it is also okay as long as the late Dr. John Garang had already suggesting before he die then, we should leave it like that.

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  • 6 February 2011 11:40, by Gatwech

    Land-of-Cush,

    Thank you for your brilliant understanding of Ngundeng’s prophesies.

    Our cousins are just jealous about their destiny being foretold by a Nuer prophet, not because they don’t believe in them. Actually the jealousy is being brought about by their fear of unknown future.

    But that is a baseless fear because Ngundeng is for all of us. When he predicted an independent South, he didn’t mean it for Nuer alone.

    Yes as you said, Ngundeng predicted that his flag will not be mixed with the flag of the North (Jallaba). Some of these guys did not believe it and wasted time pursuing a useless vision of united sudan.

    Oh, yes, in July 9, when the Northern flag is lowered down and sent to the North and the new flag of Ngundeng is rolled up in the skies alone, then that is when such doubting Thomases will begin to think twice!!!

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    • 6 February 2011 11:57, by the landlord

      now mr gatwech tot yuol

      nuer are fighting with their master why?

      What is theur problem?

      OOyaeh i know nuer malitiaman have try to steal their master belonging to bring them to south so that they will be forgiven by the people’s army the [SPLA]

      second they are confused since there is food on both side the north and south.

      well i wish them more fighting

      And death to their leaders.

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  • 6 February 2011 11:49, by Marco A. Wek

    Dear readers, all that matters is for our new nation to have new capital city and that is that whether it means what in Nuer and the other in Dinka. You people like to argue sometimes on baseless matters. Have peace brothers and stop talking always about tribal issues.

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  • 6 February 2011 13:37, by Kwaja

    Dear all Southerners,

    It is a pleasure for my first time to post a comment on this website, kindly allow me to experience my points of concern as follows:

    1. Relocation of Capital city: This does not matter of where it goes at the moment, what matters is the stability of the newly established or born country. Indeed will not be fit or qualifies to the capital city of South Sudan, but a trading city, because:

    1. Geographical position.
    2. Limitation of land accessibility.
    3. Highly politically polluted environment.
    4.

    2. Tribalism: Here I can she bomdshells from dinkas to nuer and vise versa, if we don’t stop these vices of tribalism we will not co-exist as Southerners.

    3. Nyundeng prophecy: This depends on individual believe, culture, faith, norms and other factors, so whether Nyundeng is a Prophet or not this is not an issue to waste time on, think of what is needed from each an individual of us as the future eying generation, we should not follow the foot steps of this out going generations.

    4. Dominance: If we still follow the history of South Regional governance from Laggu time to Alier and during CCSS from Gatluak Gai to Riek Gai (vise-versa), issues will not move and for your consumption refer back and see what are the differences and what are the expected results of all those regimes in comparison and relation to the current event we are in.

    So with due respect and honor these are few of my comments and observations.

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  • 6 February 2011 13:38, by Dinkanuer

    Hello Bari! It will be shameful to hear that you are threatening GoSS in Juba land. First of all, I would like to let you know that thousands of people died there in Juba including my three brothers from the same mother. You need to understand this! It’s not a joke! And thousands of people were not belong to Bari or Ecuadorian a lone. You must understand and think twice before refusing to talk with the government; you have right to divided the land such as the following. Certain place for local people, one for state, and other part for federal government. Dr. Garang himself told people that if he died, he will be buried in Juba. The same Dr. Garang was the one who proposed Ramciel to be a Capital of South Sudan.
    Guys! If he like to be buried in Juba and Ramciel to be Capital! What that mean to you? Garang was tried to give us two example things, one was New York as well as Juba for commercial purposes and Washington D.C to Ramciel as for politics. It’s not a bad idea to relocated capital in Ramciel or wherever they decided. There are many complains about lives in Juba since the transition of Anya fighters into GoSS six years ago from today that Equatorian are murdering and killing people with their magic which also call dawa or Waal ke duor? Why don’t you use those magic’s power to kill our enemies which were Arabs. Arabs Military were fucking all Equatorian men together with their women before the SPLM/A fighters came into Juba and you did nothing to Arabs. Now you turn those magician ideas against your brothers and sisters. Shame on you Bari!

    For those who are still using Ngundeng ideologically, please be inform! Ngundeng had shameful things to be said about him. First,
    He was not a Prophet but a profit to his royalist in Nuer.
    He had many names according to his activities in many parts of South Sudan.
    He was a Cannibal animal according to Nuer man who doesn’t need to be mentioned
    His first name was Ngundeng-meaning that he was send by God.
    After he gone wild and ran away.
    His name changed to be Gatluakmanguel in Nuer dialect.
    He ate many Nuer men and women in Nuer Land
    Dinka. His name was Manyang e Juet.
    He ate many children, animal claviers and cows’s bulls in Dinka Land.
    Equatoria with different languages including English and Arabic
    His name was Tiger

    The Nuer man who refused to be target by Ngundeng’s salves pointed out that. Ngundeng had no father or mother but the Devil who came out in the River Nile in a form of fish, when the Nuer boys want for fishing. They fish for so many hours and they caught nothing, when the boys get tied and ready to go back home. One of them told other guys that there was a fish ate his hook lastly, the boy convinced other friends to tried one more time! Shortly after he putted on snail body on the hook, he had thrown it into Nile River. Immediately, Ngundeng was caught. The boy was attempting to pull the Fish Ngundeng out in the river but it was difficult for him to do so, then he called his associates to pull Ngundeng on the shore. They brought it out and they were smile some of them were told to go and collect firewood in order for the young men to roast their fish.
    Unfortunately! The Fish Ngundeng changed into big snake! And the boys ran away from it, the boys thought that they were dreaming and they came back for the second times. The Snake Ngundeng light it body and become bright as well as electricity light. They ran home and they spread the news to the community, when the Nuer elders came to the place where Ngundeng was pulled. It was still there as snake with it light. People gather together around it and started asking question how did this happen? The Snake Ngundeng changed into human being and told people not to run away. All of them were shocking and scary to death except Human Ngundeng who perform such witchcraft. things "Come down, come down now!" The Human Ngundeng said. Who are you? The Nuer elders asked him. I am Nyajok_ which mean woman devil! The Human Ngundeng answer! She knew her own physical appearance as she is a hermaphrodite. (A person with both the organs of a man and a woman) Wow! Brothers and sisters of Nuer I am sorry for your Profit. Nyajok Ngundeng was not a Prohet? It was your profit to cheat people for his power but It was not a Prophet? It was a Satan?

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    • 6 February 2011 14:07, by Nhomlawda

      Gatwech,

      Ngundeng had cursed Nuer as confirmed by you and it is time Nuer repent and worship God to be forgiven.
      Ngundeng is dead and he cannot forgive Nuer anymore; it is only Almighty God who can redeem Nuer from this madness and curse.
      Nuer soldiers since 1991 are being used as axes of evil in South Sudan, an evident of Ngundeng curse upon them. It is time to think about their presence in South Sudan army.
      The only way to get out of Nuer problem is to disarm them whether in SPLA or SAF and ensure no guns infiltrate their land again.
      Remember when Paulino Matip was ill and rumored dead in South Africa’s hospital. Nuer accused Dinka of his illness and almost caused havoc in Juba until Paulino Matip was forced from his hotel bed in Kenya to call in order to calm them.
      Assuming one of their politicians or warlords is killed by thugs or get accident, they will blame Dinka in order to cuase brutal and indiscriminate fighting like what is now happening in Upper Nile.
      Nuer are useless soldiers and must be removed from the military if peace is to be realized. NIF/NCP regime in Khartoum was using them against South Sudan liberation struggle effectively because Nuer soldiers are good mercaneries.
      Nuer soldiers are only loyal to Nuer politicians or warlords but not to national defense system or national interests. What a belligerent community! Pathetic.

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    • 6 February 2011 15:22, by Land-of-Cush

      Dinka-Nuer
      You should not use this name in this site unless if you are from Kakuma Camp where the Trukana people has been misleaded by Dinka Refugees in calling Nuer Dinka-Nuer in Kenya. Any way Nuer and Dinka are brother that way gribchoie people them Jangee. Now if you have interperate that name it mean Dinka is a son of Nuer.

      Garang was a leader he shouldn’t be dinny because he died. again he is not alife now, you guys are the ones will implement his promises in agood mannar not by triblism.

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      • 7 February 2011 02:57, by Aleu

        Land of Cush.

        I do not want to comment with this nonesense, but let me point out this important thing. Clearly, the Truukana people were not wrong to called you guys Dinka Nuers because the North Arab did called same thing Dinka-Nuer and if you don’t belief then, ask others Nuers who were studied in Northern Sudan, I guess they will tell you that, the Northern Sudanese did call Dinka Nuer.

        Secondly, I think we need to leave the concept of evilness alone as traditionally, the Ngudeng Ideas are absolutely the god’s concept and it did not workout during the Naath Movement in 1991, why not taking the really God’s Ideas of Bible instead of tradition belief. Let us also leave the tribalism apart and take only citizen and the nation, this is how the world is going.

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  • 6 February 2011 14:08, by Peter Mading

    You guys;
    Note that am not happy with the way you approach national issues. I advise you not take national issues for individuals or tribes. Am disturbed by your exchange of your abusive words. Such distinguishing element will isolate all you from South Sudan and erase your knowledge. Do not assume that this website was meant for nonsenses. World is out their to laugh on you. That is a mind of kid.

    For the website like this, you are require to provide your opinion which reflect the opinion of the public. This is where consensus are built. The establishment of the New Capital City is the theme and the Government is publicizing it so that opinions are search.

    According to my understanding it is a good idea to relocate the City from Juba with regards to many issues contained in this article. As a matter of facts, the fights between the National Government (GOSS) and the States Government in collaboration with the Juba Community has limited the Development. Community talked about that their lands has been Grasped by the Dinka and Nuer Government as if they are not part of the Government.

    Indeed i personally really acknowledge and support the proposal of relocating Juba to a newly place that is free from any community claim.

    I am very sure some idiots may still demand ransome for their small portion of land leased by the Government or foreign investors.

    My dear Compatriots, Let’s acknowledge that as it is expressed in the article it is a big project that required huge resources to construct and develop a new City. It will be a second war to achieve. The projects will coincide with the creation f the State new currency which is also another project that require resources and many other ongoing activities and therefore, South Sudan has still a long way to go and join the rest of the world.

    It is good to the support the Government in its proposal by putting in our views on the proposals and see which place is fit to be the New Capital for the Republic of South Sudan.

    Garang vision was very strategic that "New Capital for South Sudan would be Ramciel". A place between Lakes, Central Equatoria and the Nile. Its lies at the heart of South Sudan and should accommodate all the Southerners and Foreign emmbassies and investors.

    Why are you guys talked about old theories? If anyone of you has a suggestion on the place where new Capital should put then say it but know that the Government has formed the Committee already to make feasibility studies on the three proposed Sites or Locations and produce a reports and recommendations.

    If you are all affliated to tribes then you are all useless.

    If you think that foreigners will develop our Country then you are inviting whites to re-colonize you because they will come with their security men and that will be a sign of colonization.

    Let us put to an end the mentioning of tribes in national issues.

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    • 6 February 2011 14:26, by Gatwech

      Dear readers,

      Stop fighting over Ramciel or Ramkiel,

      Whether it was John Garang who proposed the idea of Ramkiel as the best location or not, this will soon be unearthed. Currently I am hearing different stories about who had the original idea. But this is not the time to talk about it!

      My question is, did John Garang ever visit Ramciel (Ramkiel) and saw its landscape, or was he just depending on report presented to him by someone else who recommended Ramciel to him in Nairobi?

      That is important question!

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      • 6 February 2011 15:05, by Nhomlawda

        Gatwech,

        Ramciel as a capital city was initiated during Abel Alier time when Equatorians were ganging up against non equatoria and especially Dinka in Juba. It was an old idea which was interrupted by SPLA/M rebellion of 1983. John Garang tried to actualize it during CPA negotiation but it did not happen becuase Wani Iga was supporting Juba as capital city. Therefore, Garang did not want to push Ramciel idea too much at the time because unity among southerners was the main agenda at the time and introducing another idea when people like Clement Wani were being persuaded would be costly.
        John Garang sent Riek to Ramciel for feasibility study but Wani Iga was against the idea and John Garang abandoned it at all together at the time.

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  • 6 February 2011 14:32, by Stephen Gatloth K

    Only to the article,Gatloth Gai in-Bentiu.

    Well done my government.
    Juba has become too congested that may led into breake out of some dangerous diseases.
    However Juba as southern sudan historical town,may remain as twins cities togather with that morden capital.
    The contruction may continou going from both twins cities.

    I supported that proposal.

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  • 6 February 2011 15:42, by Jada Lotole

    This forum has become a den of the most useless,Childish and egoistic Southern Sudanese of the Centuary ! Every word that proceeds out of wise man’s mouth is often sweet ! but that which proceeds out of the contributors of this forum particularly to the subject in question,is bitter and doesnt refelect Wisdom at all ! But EGOISIM,TRIBALISM,IGNORANCE , LACK OF BEING APPRECIATIVE TO ONE ANOTHER...... & FANTASY"

    I urge the wise NOT to join these "TWO" rivaling Clusters of hooligans ! The Wise always speak the last and they speak the BEST !

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    • 6 February 2011 18:49, by hard liner

      Dear jada lotole,
      Thank you very much, Plse advise them, i wonder what they will gain out from such tribal desputes? they should better discuss dev’t but not engaging in lowlessness such as these, showing to the world how hateful you are towards one another, guys its a shame to read how you hate one another, shall we really live together in this southern sudan with this negative spirits towards one another? is this the manifestation of what the arabs were saying that we can not govern ourselves??!! Lord forgive them for they don’t know what they are saying....!!!

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  • 6 February 2011 16:25, by Chanson

    Mr.President and all the leaders who might have come together and figureout the idea of relocating the South,s capital,to be placed in the center of the South.that is really fantastically sound good.

    I think all of us in the Southerners,ld welcome that Idea because capital city is not suppose to be at the border.That is going to be big yes by all of us!!!!!!

    Dear folks.

    let our comments be mature comments than imature comment always.do you guys know how many countries are using this website? they are so many people using it(users).Anyway it,s not bad to make debate but some time our debate on this website is really not good debate at
    all.It,s really mor than a shit.

    As so many people put it"RAMCIEL" simply meant meeting in the center.which is not bad.

    Dear Oshay. I think you can name Juba as "Dinka ville "after relocation brother.

    Good luck guys.

    Chanson

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  • 6 February 2011 16:56, by Akuak JNR

    Hello Guys,
    I think people are sick with your triblistic ideas and debates that will mislead young and peace loving southerners and intervention is required before it become epidemic. Thinks and comment like intellectuals of positive ideas that may bring peace rather than hatred among people. Whether you are from dinka, nuer, equatoria or any other tribe in south sudan, I appeal to you to foster peace and avoid abusive languages. Remember, there is time for everything; wars Vs peace, hatred Vs love, maturity Vs immaturity, slavery Vs freedom etc. It’s time for us to forgive, forget and enjoy peace after all these years of struggle. Also remember one wise man has said ’you don’t have to be behind bars to in prison. individuals are prisioners of their own thoughts through hatred however physically they are free’.
    I might have hurt you but for the sake of peace, I have to. Who knows, you may be the next leader of south sudan in waiting list. Learn to unite people rather than divide them for you and your tribe a lone will be nothing without others in south sudan.

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  • 6 February 2011 17:06, by Akuak JNR

    Hello Guys,
    I think people are sick with your triblistic ideas and debates that will mislead young and peace loving southerners and intervention is required before it become epidemic. Thinks and comment like intellectuals of positive ideas that may bring peace rather than hatred among people. Whether you are from dinka, nuer, equatoria or any other tribe in south sudan, I appeal to you to foster peace and avoid abusive languages. Remember, there is time for everything; wars Vs peace, hatred Vs love, maturity Vs immaturity, slavery Vs freedom etc. It’s time for us to forgive, forget and enjoy peace after all these years of struggle. Also remember one wise man has said "YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE BEHIND BARS TO BE IN PRISION. INDIVIDUALS ARE PRISIONERS OF THIER OWN THOUGHTS THROUGH HATRED, HOWEVER PHYSICALLY THEY ARE FREE".
    I might have hurt you but for the sake of peace, I have to. Who knows, you may be the next leader of south sudan in waiting list. Learn to unite people rather than divide them for you and your tribe a lone will be nothing without others in south sudan.

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  • 6 February 2011 17:47, by Tambura

    I was in Juba for two months I did research to see if Juba fit to be capital of south Sudan. As I am planing to be future president of south Sudan, Juba is historical city of south Sudan Yes, it does not meet requirement of national Capital for new South Sudan for many reasons I said it many times. If our government will implement projects of a modern Capital as they said they have to start it with massive housing projects. They have to start it with what we call it government houses which they will give it to citizens whom own plots then government can have more land for projects if getting land was problem. As I said under my leadership I will change the face of south to something is not any anywhere in the world just in south Sudan. I will build house and give it to families, free hearth care law to protect women right child supports, with our oil money I build houses for homeless, I will put food on table for poor. I will build best person in Africa far away from city for corrupted government officers. I will fight HIV malaria and other sickness, most impotent I will unite all southern citizens nobody will mention name of tribe in government offices, south Sudan will have one Tribe call southerns Sudanese. Vote for me in next election

    The next president of south Sudan
    Tambura

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    • 6 February 2011 18:05, by Akuak JNR

      Good vision and nice thinking buddy. You got my vote for presidency. We need need leaders who can , see for the blinds, hear for the deaf, speak for dumb and voiceless,provide hands and legs for the amputees and above all be father and mother for orphans.

      Be bless,
      Jnr

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    • 6 February 2011 18:28, by Gatwech

      A little test for Dinka language!

      My cousins, I know the Dinka Bor and Dinka Bahr el Ghazal have differences in naming, even in greeting, while the Nuer have ’maale’ throughout the Nuerland.

      Now, what do you name this animal called ’rhino’ in Dinka language?

      In Nuer, it is called ’kiel.’

      Please, no time for lying I beg you! Be gentlemen for a while! I want you to be sincere for a minute and give correct name. There are others who speak Dinka language and will detect that you are liars if you give incorrect information.

      Ramkiel (Ramciel) in Nuer means ’group of rhinos.’

      However, whether we call it Ramkiel or Ramciel, will not matter alot. We may decide to completely come up with a new name for the capital in the future. Parliament can do it!

      So, what do you call rhino in Dinka language?

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      • 6 February 2011 18:51, by mack waweru

        Dear Brother Gatwech, if few individuals Dinka are liars according to your view of them, then don’t generalize the whole Dinka are. Why antagonize the whole community?

        I am a Dinka from Bhar el Ghazal and rhino’s name is the same throughout for both western and eastern Dinka people. Rhino is "Keel" with two strokes on each letter EE. But the confusion here is not about the name of the rhino in Dinka. "Ram" means in English, "MEET and "Ciel means CENTRE. Conjoined, gives us, "RAMCIEL", meaning, MEET IN THE CENTRE.

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  • 6 February 2011 18:56, by Julia Anok

    Gatwech, be thoughtful when commenting on such a sensitive issue who told you that those of Yirol speak mixed languages ? Let me make it clear here as i have seen that you are running under a shadow of Atuot tribe whom claim to be much more related to Nuer more than the Dinka and refer to Dinka as different people that is correct given their own dialect. Yirol as a district is inhabited by two ethnics group of Dinka speaker of Aliap/Ciec and Atuot/Apaak speaker.
    The mentioned area in the article call Ramciel is situated in Dinka territory where it has taken a large portion of land. There is nothing will this name relate to bla bla Atuot dialect hope you got it. They two Dinka guys are making an urgenment of same word with alot of meaning in Dinka dialect which i think they all got it right.

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    • 6 February 2011 19:22, by Nhomlawda

      Gatwech,

      This is the brief history of Ramkiel and later Ramciel.
      Ramkiel is part of Southern National Park and it was a place where there were a lot of rhinos. Rhinoes used to fight there and that part of national park was named Ramkiel which means ’rhinoes fight.’
      Currently, intellectuals want it called Ramciel which means ’meet in the middle or center’ to posture unity of southerners.
      I hope it is now Clear brother.

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    • 6 February 2011 20:32, by finally!

      If someone asks you if you are Dinka or Nuer as the first part of your introduction, please ask him/her what survey s/he is trying to do. These are the elements of division in our country.

      i am sick and tired of this DINKA and NUER drama all the time! Dinka, for what it’s worth the Dinka of Upper Nile are a little bit better than the Dinka of other regions; probably because of the dignity of the Nuer and Shilluk surrounding their lives - and are more civilised, not tribalitistic and are humble. I was amased! About 80% of you guys have become such a disease to Southern Sudanese image. Equatorians (though are weird) would like to live with you, instead you have very unfriendly reputation and again why is it that Nuer despise you, you embarrass the whole nation with corruption, primitiveness, boastfulness, you speak to every creature in public institutions and foreign diplomats, international airports in Dinka! Why on earth?

      Each culture has its own norms but they cannot be so bad that the whole country always comments badly day and night about Dinka people - You guys are humans like the rest, consult your leaders and elders and practise good behaviour, a culture of ethics..... and it’s not too late only that some of you are a bit paranoid and recentful.

      These small fights and mistrusts amongst communities are the strategic elements the enemy did and can anytime succeed in working on for the DIVIDE and RULE policy. Every tribe is a Southerner, the traitors can to Bashir and fly a kite.

      PS. If you have nothing good to comment don’t comment at all.

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  • 6 February 2011 19:37, by Tambura

    I have an Idea of creating new name for our new Capital.
    We can create it by using these seven letters.
    B.E.J.N.L.U.W

    B, for Blue Nile stat
    E. for three Equatorials
    J. for Jongle State
    N. for Northern Bahr ElGazal
    L. for lakes State
    w. westren Bahr El Gazal
    U. for Uppar Nile

    By using this seven letters we can create name of our new capital for all southern Sudanese nobody will complain. Just an Idea

    The next president of South Sudan
    Tamboura

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  • 6 February 2011 23:22, by kaci-banno

    HAAAAAAAAAAAaa, leaders of SPLM Confused! let me tell you where to relocate capital. The precious land with it’s blessing and harmony life of it’s people is mabaan county and the capital of south sudan is deserve such a land. Instead of hearing Dinka and Nuer abnormal thinking, Mabaan people are ready to offer you Land free for the establishment of the capital.

    Psychological problems of Nuer and Dinka never end until leadership of SPLM taken out from them than they will think something good.
    By: Kac-Ma-banno

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    • 7 February 2011 05:44, by Dinka-Defender-General

      Very funny, but true. However, Dinkas are now master of domain and Nuers will have hard time to overthrow SPLA/SPLM dominated by Dinkas. They have to work more than hard to overthrow Dinkas. Nuers failed in 1991 to overrun Dinkas when directions were confused. In my opinion, we should forgive and forgot everything that happened during civil war. We will never develop if we keep the same mindsets in years to come.

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  • 7 February 2011 08:08, by ayor

    Dear readers’

    it’s well thought strategic plan by the(Goss) although its going to be costly and hard in term of budget to finance it then its better to take a risk in order to avoid all those land-grabbing complains being exercised by the local inhabitants, the (Bari community).

    Whatever site chosen to meet the southerners interests would be alright if the goverment is going to be capable in convincing the local inhabitants of that particular new site to give up their land for the new southern capital.

    About Ramciel’s defination as in (Dinka) it means meeting centre. Ram = meeting and ciel or cielic = centre. And referring to the question which was being asked by Gatwech regarding the name rhino in Dinka, its call (chil) as in in singular and (ciel) as in plural. Actually, the word (Ram) or (Rom) has two meaning as in Dinka, fighting and meeting.

    So, when putting it in use in creating a sentense, Ramciel would be meeting centre or fighting Rhinoes.

    By Ayor Sodit.

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  • 7 February 2011 08:48, by Peter Elia Kuzee

    THAT GOOD, TAKE IT TO ANY DINKA PLACE,THERE THEY WILL KILL THEM SELVES LIKE NOTHING. AWAY FROM JUBA JUST NOW.

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    • 7 February 2011 14:46, by Chanson

      Peter Elia.are you not ashame of yourself? just imagine during joseph Lagu time Juba & Numile were nothing but shiting places.But now during Dinkaz time Juba become a better place to live in.In which you become to know afact that Juba belong to Dor and not belong to us all (South).Simply Juba is now develop because of Dinkas,s great mind and they are now moving away to RAMCIEL.the question that I do ask Nyamnyam.How will Juba look like in absence of Dinkas?

      This move is to show you that we are sick and tired of singing Dinkas names always.There we go.Its atime for you to decide whether to fuck that city of yours UP or take it back to the dog stage eg like during Madukuri/Jallaba time boy.

      Goood luck Juba boys.

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      • 7 February 2011 15:54, by Obol Sam Gabriel

        To Chanson
        By the way what is all good in Ramciel if asked a question and i believe you,yourself mr.Chanson has never seen how the physical features of Ramciel look like.If i told it’s your opinion to decide Ramciel because the name sound good to you but ignorance for those who had seen Ramciel like me,I don’t blame you because you don’t know what you are saying altogether,the council of ministers comittee has not yet come out with result.otherwise you people will yeild after the relocation of the city from Juba but will be late for you to come back in Juba since we the Nyamnyam people will not allow any upside down in equatoria regions again to come and grabs the land of my ancesters instead we are going were the city is to be as you mentioned above that Ramciel because we believed that you are already chosen that place even if you confused people by sending the comittee which is all nonsense to the wise people like equatorian’s the Nyamnyam as the nike name you have had given to Equatorian’s which is baseless.Gooooo to Ramciel and liveeeeeee Juba in peace to recovered the land being grabed.BY OBOL SAM KING COLLEGE LONDON

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  • 7 February 2011 21:28, by San Manyuon

    Hello Brothers,

    Wow!, you guys are really who you’re in the inside. People back home are hoping everyone of you is someone significant to their family, and Southern Sudan as a whole. Why’re you so furious to one another, we had bad history, but many of us though we just all casted the same vote for the same reason and we’re all excited that each of us’s vote has materialized as expected. All you’re saying here in the reaction to relocation of the capital has created so much that is very irrelevant to the topic. You know again that people are counting on you; Your family, your leaders(particularly Dr. Garang in his grave), world, and maybe the children you all have. We had fought for this new Southern Sudan, and many life has been lost and it’s a fact that many were lost in the hand of our own brothers. A lot of things happened during the decades of war, most damages were caused by our own and if we forgive each other, it wouldn’t be like we forgave the enemies, we’re forgiving ourselves. So, if you know that you voted or wished that we have our own country, then please stop teaching us the bad part of our history, or maybe teach us how we should reconstruct ourselves going forward.
    If you’re in a foreign country, enjoy being here or there, but know that non of your parent or grand parent had a foot or finger print in the construction of those countries. The forefathers in the countries that you settled helped built their countries for all who will come from far and those that will be born there, all to enjoy equally. Same, let us help our country so all generations to come will enjoy the future equally and not be able to blame you.
    My brothers from Equatoria, your elders and brothers back home may have not really look further to the future. The area was originally for the Equatorian people, but you can not really reject the seat of the government to be build in your backyard. You should be the one advantaging more if you weight the merits. I know, it has caused something you guys don’t like, but I am sure you ’re the most beneficial here in the long run. Economically, we will not have the same nomadic kind of life we currently have, and later if we forgone that life, you will know that you had missed the opportunities. People are really furious, and maybe you have something you’re upset about too, but we’re forgiving each other and let think different now, let work as one.
    Let me say this and I don’t favor it. Many people including you have said much that SPLA/M and GoSS leadership had been overwhelmingly topped by the Dinkas and Nuer, and that they may always hold the leadership of this new country because of their majority. If that is the case, they will build more of their original places of birth and other areas will not benefit much. I am not talking only about Equatoria but many places that would have minority representation, they will not benefit if we keep the old structure of our tribal in this New Country. Maybe a Nuer Governor in Yei would try to build that city because he governs there and if that happen, people in that area would benefit and the whole Southern Sudan would, this is the only way to spread the wealth in all areas. Keeping the government in this area and many businesses will flourish here, other nations will invest and many people especially the locals will harvest more.
    And to all, I am not smart, and I don’t want to think that way, but I am encouraging you that looks at yourself before saying anything that irritate others and cause differences.
    As for the Ramciel, brothers read the context of the sentence. We know in other languages including our owns that several words have same spellings but mean different things. How do you know when the correct meaning is being use, it’s by understanding what topic is in question. Ramciel may mean all that you have said such as Rhinos and fight, but we’re talking here about a place. Ram(not as in English) mean meets and Ciel is a center. When you put them together, it mean " meeting center". We may luck some of our own letters in English to write Ramciel as it refers to the originality, but that is what it mean.
    Our leader had predicted a place that will be accessible to many if you think that’s really the center of Southern Sudan and I think that was his "if". He may have studied us during the movement.

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