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September 25, 2010 (JUBA) – Recent remarks made by Kamal Obeid, Sudan Information Minister on the status of southern Sudanese living in the north, should the latter opt for independence in next year’s referendum, totally undermines the ongoing post-referendum discussions being mediated by the African Union (AU), a top official said yesterday.

"They will not enjoy citizenship rights, jobs or benefits, they will not be allowed to buy or sell in Khartoum market and they will not treated in hospitals," Obeid said in statements carried by public radio.

"We will not even give them a needle in the hospital," he added.

Deng Arop, the Abyei area administrator told Sudan Tribune in a phone interview from the oil-rich region that the Minister’s statement was “very irresponsible” and contravenes provisions within the Comprehensive Peace Agreement (CPA).

The signing of the CPA in 2005 ended over two decades of civil war between north and south Sudan. One of its stipulations was the right of the southern Sudanese to vote on secession in January 2011, preparations for which are woefully behind schedule and are the subject of heated debate.

“I don’t think the Information Minister in the federal government understands the whole referendum issue, let alone the meaning of the self-determination of the south. Such a statement is very unfortunate, especially from a Minister,” Arop said.

Lokulenge Lole, the Chief Internal Coordinator for Countdown to Southern Sudan Referendum [http://reliefweb.int/rw/rwb.nsf/db900sid/VDUX-88NTPM?OpenDocument], an awareness campaign organized by The South Sudan Civic Education Organization pressure group, said remarks made by Obeid were likely to jeopardize the ongoing post-referendum discussions initiated by the South Sudan Referendum Commission (SSRC)[ http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?mot182] – the body responsible for organizing the task.

The discussions, involving members from both of the Sudan People’s Liberation Movement (SPLM) and the National Congress Party (NCP), under the mediation of the AU, center on matter including security, oil revenue and Nile water sharing.

“The Information Minister in Khartoum is making a very big mistake. Such a statement is likely to jeopardize post-referendum arrangements and further undermine south Sudan’s preparations for self-determination. We condemn it at all costs,” Lokulenge told Sudan Tribune.

Obeid’s comments came a day after the UN special summit on Sudan, which was held in New York. South Sudan President Salva Kiir and Sudan’s Second Vice President, Osman Taha addressed the summit, also attended by US President, Barrack Obama.

An estimated 500,000 south Sudanese, according to Sudan’s 2008 Housing and Population Census live in the north. However, recent statistics put the figure at nearly 1.5 million, indicating that the southern population has tripled in just two years.

South Sudan president said at the New York meeting on Friday that there are slim chances of unity in the referendum.

"Yes, unity has been given a priority" since the 2005 peace deal, he said, though it was no longer "an attractive option" for the people of southern Sudan.

The deputy speaker of Sudan’s national assembly Atem Garang, who is also a leading figure at the SPLM, told Aljazeera.net website said that the remarks by Obeid are “selfish” ignores the fact that there are six million Northerners sheepherding twenty-five heads of livestock over 1,400 km across the North-South borders.

“The Government of Juba will not treat the North as was promised by the Government of Khartoum to the Southerners but will provide them with a lot of protection, security and a decent living,” Garang said.

He pointed out that what has been announced by Obeid "[shows] evidence that the state of the North will be a failed one and a carrier of the philosophy of revenge, which proves the principle of hatred that we have been fighting against".

Garang also noted that throughout the civil war years, the SPLM has not received none of its POW captured by the Sudanese army.

Mohamed Musa Hareka, a Sudanese political analyst, told Al-Jazeera that the NCP’s new position demonstrates its thinking and ruled out it being a reaction to secessionist calls by Southerners.

Hareka described what was said as the “most horrific political speech currently there is” adding that it will kill any pro-union ideology. He expressed fear that it will lead to a counter effect of deepening hatred.

His peer Tag Al-Sir Mekki echoed Hareka’s views saying that the NCP makes a big mistake by adopting this “internationally unacceptable position”.

This week Human Rights Watch said that authorities in the North and South should pledge not to expel minorities if the South votes to become an independent nation.

“Both southerners in the north and northerners living in Southern Sudan told Human Rights Watch that they feared retaliation, even expulsion, if secession were approved,”

"The two parties to the peace agreement — the ruling National Congress Party (NCP) and the southern ruling Sudan People’s Liberation Movement (SPLM) — should state publicly that they will not expel each other’s minorities," it added.

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  • 26 September 2010 06:58, by Samir mahmoud

    This is outrageous,this Minister should resign,He does not represent the Sudanese people.
    Whatever the brothers in the South decide,they remain brothers and the Sudan is enough for all of us.

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    • 26 September 2010 07:20, by Ahmed Chol

      POWs?

      Yes, the Khartoum government was so brutal. Its ruthlessness is an indication that they are a government or an army without ethics and principles. Bashir’s NCP never gave the SPLA a single POW capture in the battle field. Do you sink that there wasn’t any POW the SAF capture from SPLA? No, it is because they kill them on the spot which demonstrates that the ARAB regimes since 1983 don’t have any international standards including the Geneva convention(don’t ask what the geneva convention is?).
      In most battles, the SPLA capture a substantial number of the Sudanese army and none of them was killed. We adhered to the international standards. Those POWs were given freedom either to go back to north and join their families or stay in the South as free people. Most of them stayed in the south and became good businessmen and carpenter that turned any piece of wood into beautiful furnitures. The fact that NCP is going to mistreat the poor southerners in north is pathetic, it won’t help the dying regime in anyway. It will make them look odd in the eyes of any human right respecting country. Sometimes it takes education to think rationally even if you are waring with someone. How far has Bashir gone in school anyways? Does his level of education reflect sometimes the aptitude of the regime? think about it. Garang was not alway there in every battle but since the SPLA was a discipline and principled army, nobody ever shot a surrendering SAF soldier with hands in the air. They were spare and granted access to the Red-Cross. You can see Garang talking to them( SAF POWs) in 1997 after Yei was captured by the SPLA. See them in the links below.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1g_MSuTXYk or in part II below
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPtoSogR_zQ&feature=related

      Ahmed Chol, the future commander of Anya-nya III

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      • 26 September 2010 17:41, by Covert

        The minister was exactly telling the truth, I though we southerner were breaking away because we were not getting the freedom we deserve!
        Then what make us think we’ll be treated well in Khartoum when we became an independent nation?

        If we want to stay in Khartoum, then why are we looking for South Sudan autonomy?
        I’m a supporter of South Sudan sovereignty, let’s all come and live in the South or we will be all seen sounding irrational.

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    • 26 September 2010 07:37, by Lorolokin

      Hi Guys,

      This minister is a buldshit minister we ever have in Sudan History,what the hell is this minister is talking about.

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    • 26 September 2010 10:17, by Spla Commando

      This Minister should be force to resign for releasing such hate statement that rose tensions between Southerners and northerners.

      Spla Commando

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      • 27 September 2010 14:36, by Rev. Saturnino

        Dear Readers,

        The Minister is talking like somboday who quarrelled with his wife last night, getting angry with childish expression. What is he talking about? Even a niddle will not be given to southerners in the North? This is a very clear sign of frustration. The southerners do not need even their rubbish be it in their fake rules or quaran.
        The Minister forgot that there are also Northerners in the south, ok they will not only be deprived from all the services but truly SLAUGHTERED. Why are the Arabs NOT happy with the separation of the Country? That is funny....Ok, they are feeling the reality of their enslaving attitudes. Even your own wife that you paid dowary, if she decides to abandon you, do you really have any power to stop her?
        We can be good neighbours but NOT to share any nonsense with the so-called JALABA. Enough is enough. If they are not happy of the separation, please I kindly advise you to line up to hell. The pileline for the oil will be cut/stop from going to port sudan, it must be divereted to Mumbasa as soon as possible. The Minister must be drunk or possessed by the evil spirit, better cooperate with the Junubin ather than throwing out dirty words and expression calling it threatening. Whom do you think you can threaten here in the South? These are not any more Junubin of 60s / 40s /30s. These are not more chiefs of those years miserably cheated by you.

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    • 26 September 2010 18:00, by Paul Ongee

      This NCP minister of information is simply frustrated over the effort of keeping Sudan united on old basis. I am not surprised by the statement because it’s just a normal thing for any frustrated member of NCP. Although it’s widely condemned by Sudanese in general, it will not make any difference to make unity attractive.

      You cannot campaign for unity or separation WITHOUT REFERRING to the political history of the country that brought us here today. Why this country has repeatedly been at war by itself? Why Darfur is still burning? Why Sudan is irreversibly disintegrating. Why Islamic law (Sharia law) was introduced to marginalize people of different beliefs? Why NCP and its likes afraid of the truth or unity on new basis that is stipulated in the CPA?. Khartoum is addicted to dishonoring political agreements. It ALWAYS agrees to disagree, signs peace deal NOT TO IMPLEMENT it in good faith but to frustrate the effort of implementation and later abrogate it. So, what goes around comes around too. It seems that Prophet Mohamed forgot to teach his followers about accommodating citizens of the same country with diverse cultures, tolerance and good governance.

      If tolerance or accommodation of different beliefs is in deed written in Qoran, then why Khartoum has been and is still repeatedly fueling separation and adamantly threatening Southerners to vote for something already tried and never worked since 1956? It is the same Khartoum with its successive Islamic regimes that kept Southern Sudan politically, economically, culturally and socially separated from Sudan. As Anglo-Egyptian administration only demarcated the borderlines, it was the responsibility of Khartoum to make the effort of bridging the religious and cultural differences so that Sudan remained united on equal basis.

      Every citizen has inalienable right to be free by whatever means. It doesn’t make sense to threaten us southerners in particular. NCP needs to realize that the Anglo-Egyptian administration didn’t threaten any citizens when Khartoum demanded for freedom and independence through peaceful means or UDI. Yes, if we’re to engage in the culture of intimidation, I personally warn Khartoum not play with inalienable rights and freedom of Southern Sudanese wherever they are. Believe me or not. Long live SPLM/A. Struggle continues.

      Paul Ongee
      Khartoum, Sudan

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  • 26 September 2010 07:19, by Ahmed Chol

    POWs?

    Yes, the Khartoum government was so brutal. Its ruthlessness is an indication that they are a government or an army without ethics and principles. Bashir’s NCP never gave the SPLA a single POW capture in the battle field. Do you sink that there wasn’t any POW the SAF capture from SPLA? No, it is because they kill them on the spot which demonstrates that the ARAB regimes since 1983 don’t have any international standards including the Geneva convention(don’t ask what the geneva convention is?).
    In most battles, the SPLA capture a substantial number of the Sudanese army and none of them was killed. We adhered to the international standards. Those POWs were given freedom either to go back to north and join their families or stay in the South as free people. Most of them stayed in the south and became good businessmen and carpenter that turned any piece of wood into beautiful furnitures. The fact that NCP is going to mistreat the poor southerners in north is pathetic, it won’t help the dying regime in anyway. It will make them look odd in the eyes of any human right respecting country. Sometimes it takes education to think rationally even if you are waring with someone. How far has Bashir gone in school anyways? Does his level of education reflect sometimes the aptitude of the regime? think about it. Garang was not alway there in every battle but since the SPLA was a discipline and principled army, nobody ever shot a surrendering SAF soldier with hands in the air. They were spare and granted access to the Red-Cross. You can see Garang talking to them( SAF POWs) in 1997 after Yei was captured by the SPLA. See them in the links below.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1g_MSuTXYk or in part II below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPtoSogR_zQ&feature=related

    Ahmed Chol, the future commander of Anya-nya III

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  • 26 September 2010 07:32, by Achouth

    Northern citizens need to take a responsible position by condemning such an outrageous and unspeakable remarks from a minister.
    Such leaders don’t only bring shame to themselves but to their decent citizens they represent in the North.
    Secession of South does not mean minorities should be inhumanly treatedly.
    To our Northern brothers you need to come out publicly and condemn leaders that shame you with such statements in the future.
    Whether South Success[-ed] life will still be the same as human beings who should co-exist with each other.
    There are lots of things that the Referendum will never take away between the Southerners and Northerners e.g. Intermarriaged that had resulted into inter-generations during the last century.

    Your Minister] statement don’t represent any leadership at all, you deserve to resign from whatever leadership post you are in within the NCP because you are not the right person of this time, when both sides are badly in need of mutual respect and compromises over the CPA implementation.

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  • 26 September 2010 09:03, by AAMA

    These comments are a classic of NCP. This is the new policy towards the southern citizens and aims to inject fear into their hearts so that they go and vote for unity (at least the ones living or have interests in the north).

    I think such a policy will just create more problems and given the stuborn nature of our people (north and south) it will just make southerns vote for separation. However, in a way, I think that’s what the NCP is looking for (they are desperate, they will lose the south oil money while they destroyed all the hard work done since independence in terms of economy by just focusing only on clinging to power at any cost and spending large sums of money in the process). I think in the next period of time they will be looking for any excuse to return to war (and there are a lot of them) if they are not given a big share of the oil wealth that fuels thier clinging to power policy. That’s why the world has been meeting about Sudan because it’s getting clearer that the NCP has entered into another mess that they cannot handle by promising the south things that they cannot bare its consequences.

    Also, talking about the northern people who graze there cattle in the south, the government doesn’t give a damn about them, they only care about their seats. Sooner and not later, we will see the return of ghost houses, curfews and a lot of firing in the civil service plus a lot of pressure on the already impoverished people.

    May god help the poor and idle people of Sudan.

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  • 26 September 2010 09:54, by Biliu

    We [southerners] should not blow horns over the minister’s remarks, irresponsible and unethical YES…but genuine, don’t any of you think that is one man mentality..NO..that’s the general mood of the NCP members, if our citizens remained there after the South secession, that’s exactly the way they will be treaded…we need to act before it too late for those have no ability to move southward, I urge the SPLM and our leader [Salva Kiir] to take the necessity measures and bring those Southerners living in the North home before they became retaliation victims.
    On the other hand, I would like to insure Northerners living in the south that they will be treated in accordance to the conducts of law and international regulations, we will even give them the choice to obtain South Sudanese citizenship if they ever wanted, we [Africans] still maintaining the same hospitality we showed them [Arab immigrants to Sudan] the first time they came to us on camels long time ago, we will not likely lose it now nor in the future.

    I would dare to say, “ that’s not only my own opinion but the opinion of the majority in the South”

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  • 26 September 2010 10:29, by telfajbago

    Kamal Obeid’s statements reveal the minds of Kitchen cabinet of the genocide regime of Khartoum to scare Southerners residing in the north in order to vote for the unity. But who told the Islamic jihadist Obeid that, Southerners will need the toxic needles of the North after the secession. I read on Sudan Monitor years a go one of South Sudan activist in response to Al-tteib Mustafa, the managing editor of the banned Al-Intibah newspaper said" If the South Sudan secede from the North, we Southerners will go bare foot to the South, and leave our shoes we bought here in the North to them, least not carry the dust of the North Sudan to the ever-green South ".Obeid should preserves his needles to heal his fellow Northerners from the HIV caused by conducting sexual intercourse with their sisters, before thinking to refuse it to the people of the South Sudan. It’s grim arrogant and blatant stupidity that, in this twenty first century, wild life preservation personnel are taming hyenas and inject it with medicine to recover, despite their continues killing of animals and we have a federal minister speaking of denying people treatment simply because they are claiming their birth rights.

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    • 26 September 2010 11:17, by jur_likang_a_ likan’g

      There many people of the minister’s like in Northern Sudan. The sooner our people are brought back home the better otherwise we will be to blame if anything catastrophic happens to our people. Goss must be practical on this. Lipservice must be avoided.

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  • 26 September 2010 12:24, by Marco A. Wek

    What Kamal Obeid said is in fact the reallity of what will taken place upon Southern Sudan vote for independent, however, this expected event is not going to let the Southerners change their minds to vote for unity. Any Southerner who will choose to stay in the North will have to face this reality and I don’t see any reason for their stay in the North when they can go to the South and help in the development.

    Kamal Obeid will have to answer for Northerners who are in the South or who like to take their live stocks for grazing in the South. What does he and his like minded think Southerners will do to those Northerners? Atem Garang may say what he have said but other ordinary Southerners who will hear the suffering and mistreatment of their fellow brothers and sisters will think and act different. So Mr.Kamal Obeid your like thinkers will have to put this into consideration. We thought we were going to depart and be good neighbours and any man who mistreat a neighbour because they are not eating together is a bad neighbour and will be treated likewise.

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  • 26 September 2010 13:15, by Adam

    Dear Southerners

    The SPLA/M and NCP were selfish and short-sighted. They were arrogant and corrupt. The SPLA/M wasted the time and provisions of the CPA in unnecessary disputes and political blunders and ethnic preference. The NCP, as the SPLA/M, excluded all other parties right from the beginning to the end. They both worked for narrow political and financial benefits for their parties and families.

    There will be wars all over the place starting with Abyei, Unity, B. Ghazal and the great Equatoria. Then, the scene will be pretty nasty. Poverty, disease and ignorance will increase to unprecedented limits. People will be forced to leave the South to new refugee concentration camps. Ethiopia, Uganda and Kenya will suffer no less. Unrest will be the dominant characteristic of the coming decades - thanks to SPLA/M and many thanks to NCP.

    CPA provided attractive unity for sure. We Southerners are in control of all the South and sharing the power in the North (30% and more). We are getting 50% of the national oil revenues. The situations has been improving all over Sudan though slowly. But SPLA/M failed to grasp the historical opportunity and they will lead us, the Southerners, to be the 10th class citizens in the illusion and fake South State of the (stray) Dinka boys. Oh! they even spoiled sacred places of other tribes and stole ancestral pastures all over the South. I am so sorry to say that, Southerners (all of them including the great Dinka tribe) failed to stop the tyrant, corrupted and twist minded children who have been blared by foreign interests.

    History will be a witness to the great Armageddon of the South Sudan. However, the motherland is able and fertile to give birth to patriots and warriors who will fight to correct the situation and eradicate the corrupted and spoiled current leadership of the GoSS.

    O Southerners Unite. Overthrow the tyrant SPLA/M.
    O Northerners Unite. Overthrow the tyrant NCP.
    O People of Sudan stay alert.

    Adan Milawaki, Kansas City

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    • 26 September 2010 22:19, by Marco A. Wek

      Adam Milwaki, you may be an Islamic witch doctor but your wishes to Southern Sudan will not materialized instead, wait for what is going to be the fate of the North once South go their way. You left Sudan to Kansas not because of war in Abeiy, Unity, Bahr Al Ghazl and Equatoria but instead it was because of your selfish Northerners who have ruled Sudan since 1956.

      For sure we will go and so will Darfur and the rest of Sudan who are fed up with your Osman Ben Ladin oriented style governments in the North and I hope you will go back and be made hatred imam.

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  • 26 September 2010 15:12, by Hillary B.M.L,M

    Guys, You are abroad,

    what this Minister said is what exactly is in the stomach of Arabs.
    I personally involved in discussion with my Arabs Colleagues here in Shog El arabi Khartoum, some of them in fact have the same ideas of Kamal Ebaid. One of them frankly say, Mr. Hillary, "we are now friend but as soon as result favor Separation or your Parliament (mark the word your parliament ) announce something other than Unity, automatically i will call you a foreigner and no tolerance for that he added".

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    • 26 September 2010 17:59, by Paul Ongee

      This NCP minister of information is simply frustrated over the effort of keeping Sudan united on old basis. I am not surprised by the statement because it’s just a normal thing for any frustrated member of NCP. Although it’s widely condemned by Sudanese in general, it will not make any difference to make unity attractive.

      You cannot campaign for unity or separation WITHOUT REFERRING to the political history of the country that brought us here today. Why this country has repeatedly been at war by itself? Why Darfur is still burning? Why Sudan is irreversibly disintegrating. Why Islamic law (Sharia law) was introduced to marginalize people of different beliefs? Why NCP and its likes afraid of the truth or unity on new basis that is stipulated in the CPA?. Khartoum is addicted to dishonoring political agreements. It ALWAYS agrees to disagree, signs peace deal NOT TO IMPLEMENT it in good faith but to frustrate the effort of implementation and later abrogate it. So, what goes around comes around too. It seems that Prophet Mohamed forgot to teach his followers about accommodating citizens of the same country with diverse cultures, tolerance and good governance.

      If tolerance or accommodation of different beliefs is in deed written in Qoran, then why Khartoum has been and is still repeatedly fueling separation and adamantly threatening Southerners to vote for something already tried and never worked since 1956? It is the same Khartoum with its successive Islamic regimes that kept Southern Sudan politically, economically, culturally and socially separated from Sudan. As Anglo-Egyptian administration only demarcated the borderlines, it was the responsibility of Khartoum to make the effort of bridging the religious and cultural differences so that Sudan remained united on equal basis.

      Every citizen has inalienable right to be free by whatever means. It doesn’t make sense to threaten us southerners in particular. NCP needs to realize that the Anglo-Egyptian administration didn’t threaten any citizens when Khartoum demanded for freedom and independence through peaceful means or UDI. Yes, if we’re to engage in the culture of intimidation, I personally warn Khartoum not play with inalienable rights and freedom of Southern Sudanese wherever they are. Believe me or not. Long live SPLM/A. Struggle continues.

      Paul Ongee
      Khartoum, Sudan

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    • 26 September 2010 21:07, by marie

      The sentiment expressed by the minister is the overwhelming feeling of all the Northerners. Last month I took a cab from Khartoum airport, going to Haj Youssef. I was indulged in discussion with the taxi driver on the referendum issue and the prepartions for the post referendum. The guy told me in frankly that once South Sudan votes for separation, all the Southerners in Khartoum would lose their rights and should be expelled immediately.
      This is a common man in the street uttering these words. In my opinion, the minister is just echoing the voices of the mainstream.
      My advice to the Southerners living in the North, it is time to sell your properties now and start building a thatched house in the South. Because the reality of th matter is, there would be chaos. The two parties;SPLM and NCP would agree on citizenship and other post referendum agreements, but the question remains, who would implement the provisions? Who would protect the poor Southerner in Jaborona surrounded Notherners? This is a critical juncture in the history of Sudan, so we have to think critically.
      The international bodies would be there, but they would interfer only when things subside. The massacres in Dein, happened in the eyes of the international community. The mass killing in Juba, happened in their eyes. The use of chemical weapons in the South, happened in the prescence of all these bodies.
      Southerners should not be naive and think they would be spared. It is time to wake up and act. Pack and go back to the South, otherwise you would only blame yourself.

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  • 26 September 2010 17:12, by makuei

    But what does this clown think the Southerners will be doing in Khartoum once they gain their Independence through their vote? I will even advice our people personally to ever forget the existence of any city called Khartoum in this world.

    Raphael

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  • 26 September 2010 17:38, by jalabi

    What crazy people??!!

    They (southerners) said "we will vote for separation because we don’t want to be second class citizen" then why you want to stay in the north to continue be treated as second class citizen??!!! what contradiction?!! you can’t vote for separation and ask us to treat you as northern citizen, since you voted for separation then back up your stuff and leave the north immediately otherwise we will kick you right in your ass!!

    Jalabi (Abo Jalabia)

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  • 26 September 2010 19:15, by Kur

    Our people of South Sudan in the North should just leave now and come home. There is little they wait for in Khartoum. Your land in South Sudan is waiting to welcome you. Please leave today.

    Kur

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  • 27 September 2010 00:28, by Bol Bol

    A gaffe is when politicians accidently tell the truth. By far what Kamal Obeid said is what’s on the mind of many North Sudanese politicians and their followers. Our people especially should not take this dire warning as one man’s opinion and do not do anything about it.

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