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Sudan referendum law endorsed in cabinet, 51% ‘Yes’ vote & 60% turnout required

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December 13, 2009 (KHARTOUM) – The Sudanese cabinet today headed by president Omer Hassan Al-Bashir unanimously approved in its extraordinary meeting Sunday evening the draft bill of the Act on Referendum in South Sudan, the Act on Referendum in Abyei and the Act of People’s Consultation in South Kordofan and the Blue Nile.

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Sudan People’s Liberation Movement (SPLM) secretary general Pagan Amum (R) and Nafie Ali Nafie, presidential advisor and member of the northern ruling National Congress Party, address a news conference in the capital Khartoum December 13, 2009 (Reuters)

Sudan official news agency (SUNA) said that the law package will be tabled Monday before the National Assembly for ratification.

The development followed announcement by the Sudan People’s Liberation Movement (SPLM) and the NCP that they have reached an agreement on a number of disputed issues after days of marathonic talks between senior figures on both sides.

“We announce an agreement between the two partners on all points, which had been a source of disagreement on the referendum law in south Sudan,” said Nafie Ali Nafie, deputy head of Khartoum’s NCP.

The two parties also agreed to “look into the national security and intelligence law in order to reach an agreement,” Nafie said, without elaborating.

Under the referendum deal struck, a 60% turnout of registered voters and a 51% yes vote will declare the independence of South Sudan valid. Initially the NCP wanted between 75%-90% yes vote and a two thirds turnout arguing that the 2005 Comprehensive Peace Agreement (CPA) says that the secession choice should be made difficult.

The full details of the agreement will be announced after consultation with all political forces in Sudan, Amum said, adding that the SPLM MP’s who have boycotted parliament for over a month would start attending sessions “within 24 hours”.

The SPLM and a coalition of Northern opposition parties have attempted to stage a demonstration last Monday that was curbed by Sudanese authorities leading to the arrest of senior SPLM figures.

The agreement throws into doubt the fate of another demonstration planned for tomorrow by the same political parties which was made for the purpose of protesting the failure to agree on a package of democratic reforms bills ahead of next April’s elections and on a procedural law for the south’s referendum scheduled for January 2011.

Ibrahim Ghandour, a senior figure in the NCP, warned the SPLM that any attempt to stage a demonstration on Monday will nullify the agreements that were made.

He added that the agreement stipulated that the SPLM will not be part of any protest as long as the outstanding issues have been resolved.

An unidentified SPLM official told the London based Al-Sharq Al-Awsat that they “got what they wanted” adding that the protests plans will be likely be suspended.

On Friday the NCP warned that they are prepared to go to war if all fails with SPLM.

“We have offered 40,000 martyrs and are prepared to offer 100,000 martyrs,” Nafi said at a rally in the Sudanese capital.

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  • 14 December 2009 03:52, by Jeremiah Mach

    I think 60 percent is better than 66, congrutulation to the SPLM/A for their hard fought negotiation. Sudan unity will only be achieve by the will of the people not by making it difficult as NCP interpreted the CPA, Sudan has been united by forced since independent, but has yield us no grains.

    Bravo- Kiir, Riek, Pagan and all

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    • 14 December 2009 04:04, by Mr Famous Big_Logic_Boy

      There is nothing for SPLA more than grabbing any percent, even 20% will still save Kiir and his Kuol to continue looting. Those corrupttess talk rubbish but they are ready to take any percentage no matter what they say, lie, steal and corruption is secret side of SPLA and their culture.

      Am FAMOUS not FARMOUS like some fraud claim to be me

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      • 14 December 2009 04:16, by Gatwech

        So what were the noises all about???? It is the same agreement reached one month ago, 51% yes vote to declare the South independent and 60% turnout quorum which was the position of the NCP. The SPLM in the person of Pagan Amum made many noises saying they wanted 50% turnout and no more. Recently the Vice President, Dr. Riek Machar and Ali Osman agreed to be between 55% (SPLM) position and 60% (NCP) position, but the political bureau in Juba reportedly refused, saying they wanted either 50% or 55%. Now they have agreed on 60% turnout (the same two-third) after wasting alot of time.

        There is nothing new in the agreement. It the same agreement reahched two months ago. From 66% turnout, the SPLM has managed to remove only 6% to make it 60%. But this this justify creation of the crisis that those of Pagan Amum were looking for to return the nation back to war? Without effective internal mechanism, even if SPLM got the 50% turnout it wanted, still it would not get it. But with effective internal mechanisms in the South to educate, mobilize and beep up security, even 95% turnout can be attained. The good news is that the two parties since two months ago agreed on the 51% of yes votes to declare the Sout independent. This means out of the 60% turnout quorum, if 51% vote for separation, the South would be declared independent.

        For those of us who have been following the news, there is nothing NEW in this agreement. It is the same agreement which the SPLM has been rejecting from Dr. Riek Machar. It is just a matter of fighting for who to get credit or how such a credit can be shared between Pagan Amum, Riek Machar and Salva Kiir, period.

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        • 14 December 2009 04:22, by Jeremiah Mach

          The first aggreement was 66 percent Mr Gatwech, there is a great different between 60 and 66 please.

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          • 14 December 2009 04:31, by Gatwech

            Jeremiah Mach,

            Unless you don’t know the difference between big difference and small difference.

            Dr. Riek and Ali Osman brought the difference from 90% to 66%. That was what is called a big difference of 30 points. Again, they brought it themselves from 66% to 60%, but the SPLM politburo refused it, saying they wanted between 50% and 55%.

            Now look, the guys have gone back to 60% turnout already proposed.

            And the 51% yes vote, which is the most important item, was agreed between Riek and Ali Osman two months ago unless you don’t follow up with news.

            There is nothing new in this. Only it is about sharing the credit during the little remaining negotiations. Let us see how will Pagan create a crisis now that the deal is adopted in cabinet meetings chaired by Bashir in the presence of Salva Kiir and Riek Machar.

            The so-called laws for democratic transformations that Sadiq and Turabi fooled Pagan to cause crisis about have been made last. Only referendum laws are passed. Let us see how the communist boys plus their old mentors in the opposition will create a crisis because of the other laws. The South needs the referendum success more than the elections success.

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            • 14 December 2009 04:49, by Dinka Boy

              Please Gatwech,

              Please stop being aliar.
              There is great differnce between 66% and 60%.

              Why are you wasting you time arguing for nothing.
              Please check perecentage again or perhaps i will help you by changing percentage to fraction and decimal so that you see their differences.

              1.60%=0.6 in decimal, 60%=3/5 in simpliest fraction.

              2. 66%=0.66 in decimal, 66%=33/50 in simplest fraction.

              See their diffences man;unless you need nuer translation.
              Thanks

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              • 14 December 2009 05:40, by Gatwech

                Dinka Boy,

                Whatever your argument is you will not hide but run without hiding.

                The 60% is NCP’s position, not SPLM’s position. And this was agreed last month also after the first 66% was rejected. Riek Machar went back to Khartoum and renegotiated with Ali Osman. Ali came down from 66% to 60%. Riek Machar went back to Juba and told the political bureau about the NCP’s new position of 60%. The SPLM politcal bureau refused and said they wanted 55%. Now they have come back to what they refused from Riek (60%). As for the 51% yes vote to declare the South independent, this was agreed more than two months ago. What had remained was only the turnout. But is it something new really when the SPLM accepted the 60% it earlier refused???? Pagan is only fighting to be heard in the NEWS!!!

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              • 14 December 2009 07:38, by John Boy

                Achieved numbers does not mean we were achieved our indendent we still having a big task to do to achieve the indendent every members of GOSS need to achieve some thing not Pagan, Riek,Salva and so many others instead of debating not thing we need to mobilize our peoples not to be cheat by enemy of South.

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              • 15 December 2009 13:23, by Nelson Lanya

                please, don’t separate yourself from us we are altogether

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            • 14 December 2009 12:02, by Machine

              Stop noise making South is becoming a state whether you want or not.

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        • 14 December 2009 04:24, by Gatwech

          Reporter a liar,

          The reporter of this article above is a liar or not a professional journalist like the rest of journalists we have been reading their news articles on Sudantribune.com.

          Read his lies in this paragraph below:

          "Under the referendum deal struck, a 60% turnout of registered voters and a 51% yes vote will declare the independence of South Sudan valid. Initially the NCP wanted between 75%-90% yes vote and a two thirds turnout arguing that the 2005 Comprehensive Peace Agreement (CPA) says that the secession choice should be made difficult."

          NCP has since two months ago agreed on 51% yes vote to declare the South independent, but had been insisting on two-third turnout. It has not been insisting on 75%-90% yes vote for independence as the writer of the article wanted to deceive or mislead the public. You go back to previous articles and the most recent one posted on Saturday which talks about "NCP connects South Sudan referendum to election government." Under this topic of article, you will read that this 51% yes vote was agreed long time ago. What remained was the turnout which the NCP wanted to be two-third. In fact, there is nothing new, but let the guys who desperately look for sharing the credit do it in the last our of negotiating the remaining 6%. However, the reporter should tell facts and not twist them like that. We the readers are keen readers and follow up all the time what has already been agreed and what is yet to be agreed. Stop fooling around folks.

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          • 14 December 2009 05:11, by Malakal

            Gatwech

            I think the reporter is experimenting with the same syndrome of retardness similar to what you are going through. How many times have you been made aware that crediting EVIL RIAK MACHAR with other leaders’ hard work will not help his chances of which Ngundeng has annoyed him with. Many months ago, I used to advice you that if you want Riak to be considered anything or anybody in the South you need to tell him that he need to redeem himself in the faces of many Southerners he offended during the struggles. We can not praise food-eating masters, we have to praise the farmers who are ultimate producers of food. Oh Riak has done this, oh Riak has done that, Bravo Dr. Riak, what kind of craps is this, always! This incoherent primtive kind of writing is flashing the imagery of your Riak into the toilet where its belong and I do not really remind anyways.

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            • 14 December 2009 06:09, by Gatwech

              Malakal,

              Well, if you want to talk about Ngundeng’s prophesy since you have brought the issue up, Riek Machar will become the president very sooooooon. Just count weeks or months not years..........

              What are you going to do? Will you commit suicide because of your tribalism hatred against him, your savior???

              Just get prepared for it. He is soon becoming the president whether you tribalists like it or not. And the time is near according to Ngundeng.

              BAD NEWS FOR YOU, AH!!!

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              • 14 December 2009 22:30, by Kur Kur

                You are so dump like uncle, Riek isn’t gonna be a president of South because murderer, he already lose his chance of become president in 1991 when he said he didn’t get enough food frm SPLM/A and decided to go to Khartoum with Omar. My advise to dump Nuers,stop walking with Riek because he will put all of you in his dirty mouth or you will live under "selters" for rest of your life. If your dada is stupid, you don’t have to be stupid like him. Dr Violence is dump ass leader which will spoiled all Nuer with out know it.

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            • 14 December 2009 08:51, by DAVID BUAY LUAL

              Dear brother. You seems to be confused. Don’t you fear by insulting a big person in such a way? You better say what you observed rather than simplifying our boost. Eventhough you are not Nuer you could have a little respect of him. What a stupidity you doing guy?
              Make sure Dr. Riek Machar is our future president only with in a short time based on the believable prophesy. Whether you agreed, or not, He must be! But make sure, we doubt nothing from our president Salva Kiir, we, Nuer eventhough doing corrupt deeds. We know that his time is at the door, and begins knocking the door for his journey/ Exits out of presidency,and for Dr.Riek’s Entrance in to presidency. This should be your final for rulling our homeland/ motherland forever! There fore, let us only focused on the good things that would let us achieving our Freedom from our enemy rather than doing alligations for ourselves. Be wise enough to think logically guy. Take this advice for the sake of your dwelling in the near future. Thanks

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        • 14 December 2009 04:44, by braveheart

          For those of us who have been following the news, there is nothing NEW in this agreement. It is the same agreement which the SPLM has been rejecting from Dr. Riek Machar. It is just a matter of fighting for who to get credit or how such a credit can be shared between Pagan Amum, Riek Machar and Salva Kiir, period.

          WELL SAID GATWEC

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        • 14 December 2009 04:57, by Gatjang

          Gatwech

          Your Dr. Riek fail to reach the agreement with Ali Osman. That agreement was not implemented and was slipping away. Now it is clear Mr. Pagan is the one making it work, so do not give Riek any credit yet, he is actually losing his job. He is dreaming to be hero but he is failing every task and opportunity he had.

          Sorry Nuer, Williams Nyuon Bany could have being a better leader.

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          • 14 December 2009 05:05, by Dinka Boy

            Yep!
            You are right mr Gatjang.
            Pagan Amum is the hero who know all the priciples of SPLM from the top to the bottom.
            He is the hero of refenendum law leave alone Riek Machar.
            Great jon.

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            • 14 December 2009 10:35, by John chol Garang

              Yes,

              Pagan Amum is a true hero like his great leaders Deng Nhial and Dr John Garang.

              A kind of human who never fears death for the sake of Great Nation, South Sudan.

              He deserves to be?

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        • 14 December 2009 05:47, by mohammed ali

          The difference now, Gatwech is that the communist wing of the SPLA has been isolated and caged.Their war to obstruct the elections and derail the CPA has been stopped.

          This battle was not with NCP, it was within the SPLA! It didn’t start within the last week, but it started after the death of Garang.You remember , when Yasir Arman left to the USA, claming that he was going for higher studies.This was a lie as he doesn’t hold a university degree which qualify him for further studies.At the same time Nyhal Deng Nyhal resigned and went to the states.This all was changed under the pressure of some influencial power from outside Sudan and was masterminded by Dr.Mansour Khalid, after the last conference of the SPLA.The aim was to outset Dr. Lam Akoul and bring Mansour Khalid as minister of foreign affairs!And Ysir Arman as presidential adviser! This was rejected strongly by President Basheer!

          The other aim was to weaken and isolate Salva Kiir, by depleting him from his strongest allay, Dr. LAM! Perhaps you remember it was Lam who supported Salva strongly in Rumbek conference after signing the CPA, aginst Garang!

          After the last conferce Yasir Arman was summoned by the Secretriat and he joined Pagan Amoum and since then we were all in trouble and the SPLA was hajacked by them to play the role of the government and the opposition at the same time!This was all been masterminded by Dr.Mansour Khalid behind the seen, through his extensive relationship with foreign powers.

          Now as you have mentioned there was no difference between 60 or 70% as the south have already achieved more than 75% in the voters registrations.This deal has in essence been reched by Machar , but it was rejected by the communist wing.The same happened to the national security law, which was drafted by the SPLA as this was mentioned by Machar, and he defended himself courageously.This was again rejected by the communist wing!

          Now it seems that Mansour Khalid and his communist allies has had lost the support which they were getting from outside due to the finacial crises and the change in the American adminstration.This was clear from what Pagan said two days ago ,that he wil not meet with Scot Gration when he comes next week.This was in a poltical rally in AlHAJ YOUSIF IN KHARTOUM NORTH.There was no reason for him to say that in such a place or during such occasion, except as a way to express his frustration when he felt the pressure from the Americans that they should stop playing communist games with the CPA.Forming alliance with PCP+COMMUNISTS+MAHADISTS is not only not acceptable to them , but they know it is not going to win the SPLA or southerners anything other than derailing the CPA and going back to war and chaos.

          If you noticed Machar didn’t say a word during all this crises but he finished all the business with Salva and they just gave to loser Pagan to declare what they have agreed upon!Did Pagan mention anything about the national security law and the laws of democratic transformation and bla.. bla..bla...nothing or did Arman say anything!

          What had happened was not in the interst in Southerners nor the SPLA.In fact it had strenghthend the NCP.Be honest who didn’t feel disgusted at this combination..Turabi+Mubarak Alfadil+Alsadig+??SPLA, ...so did the rest of the SUDANESE PEOPLE!

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          • 14 December 2009 06:06, by Dinka Boy

            Mr Mohamed Ali,

            SPLM is not communist nor all leaders as you claimed all the time.
            This agreement of 60% turn has not been reached by Riek Machar. Riek and others reached 66% turnout which SPLM dispute because it favor NCP. My friend you are pretending individual of South. I have been monitoring your comments and your comments tell your destiny.
            Please stop calling SPLM acommunist.
            Thanks

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            • 14 December 2009 06:33, by Kim Deng

              Coward Jang/Slave (Dinka),

              If you deny that the former Marxist-Leninist SPLA/M was not communist before your King went to hell along with his poor vision "New Sudan," I would assume that you joined the movement just yesterday.

              SPLA/M not SPLM/A was fighting for "United Secular Socialist/New Sudan," before your King was forced not only to change the name, SPLA/M to be called SPLM/A, but also forced to put his blind vision "New Sudan" into trash bin and go for Self-determination for South Sudan" as you’re enjoying now unknowingly by the Nasir delcaration move of 1991.

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              • 14 December 2009 06:54, by Dinka Boy

                Mr Kim Deng,

                Dr Garang Mabior Atem die with highest honor among Southeners and the whole of Africa.
                Yes, he die wether you can it ahell or heaven.
                My friend we all will be there in hell or heaven as you said,but people will honored differently.
                For instance, your Nyagat Riek Machar will die like dog without any honor perhaps his own nuer will honor him.
                Dr Garang was not honor only by his own tribe"Dinka".
                Or he was not honor by only by Twic East. He was one among people like Martin Luther King( African American civil right liberator).
                Dr Garang( South Sudanese liberator) will be in our mind every single day though he die unknowly.
                Let me tell you that many people die since the creation of the world upto now.
                Please sing about his death,but he die like others heros.
                Do you know that Jeffery Nimere die too, Ngundeeng die also, your grand parants died like flies.
                What do you expect!
                Wow!.
                Nobody scare death because the grave/death is the only destiny of living thing.

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                • 14 December 2009 07:09, by Kim Deng

                  Coward Jang/Slave (Dinka Boy),

                  You think you can run, but make sure you cannot hide from the reality. Then, before I replly to your cheap propaganda, I expect you to define for me the name "Jonglei" in your own language? Otherwise, I would assume that you agreed with me, but ashamed to admit the fact on the ground.

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                  • 14 December 2009 07:28, by Dinka Boy

                    Hahaha Mr Kim Deng,

                    Do you think that i don,t know my langauge(Dinka).
                    Jonglei is Dinka language.
                    I will help you since you have been hunting for it.
                    Jok(Jong) means god,
                    Lei mean forigner.
                    Which means land of black African(Favorite Bor territory given by their god). Understand that man!
                    Please join the two and that will help you little bit.
                    If you have doubt then i will help you agin.
                    Thanks

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                    • 14 December 2009 08:11, by H5N1

                      what a wasted writing!

                      do you know how to translate things really even in your own language? I’m very fluent in both Dinka and Nuer but your translation here have led me into questioning your proficiency in Dinka.

                      Jok and Lei don’t mean "Land of Black Africans". if you take Jok as God and Lei as foreigner, it will combine into foreigner God, just like when you add class plus room which translate into classroom. man, dont contradict yourself, do us a favour.

                      Jonglei’s meaning also in Nuer is: Jong(herds) and Lei (animals). i dont think a good Nuer speaker can correct me on this.

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                      • 14 December 2009 09:05, by ku na yien

                        Listen here mrs H5N1 or her husband’s fifth anniversary.

                        Jok(jong) sometimes means the mighty spirit(god) while lei means extraordinary powers.to which combination is Almighty spirit with extraordinary powers. That is all in dinka language not nuer.
                        Be realistic that you were born for entertainment,betrayal,thuggery and lack of confidences.

                        Most Nuer particularly Naath of Kim Deng are zeroly empty behind the vacuum space except Houth Mai and Taban Deng.

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                      • 15 December 2009 02:16, by Dinka Boy

                        Wow!.

                        Herds animals= Jonglei in nuer!.
                        Stupid h1n1 was the fool liar who does not know how to reason.
                        Go and ask other Dinka about the meaning of Jok(Jong) and Lei.
                        Some of my brothers help you already but you narrow ngundeeeng mind will not help you at all.

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              • 14 December 2009 08:42, by Khent

                Coward Kim Deng/Bashir’s little Nuer militia boy/Slave of Khartoum:

                You do realise that your treasonous Paulino Matip Nhial was a Major-General in the Sudanese army, protecting oil-fields on the behalf of Khartoum?

                You’re the same cowards/traitors, who worked with Bashir in order to protect the oil-fields for them... That makes you a SLAVE! I sense a slow wit, that can’t grasp irony.

                Paulino Matip Nhial, Abdalla Chuol and Riek Machar all collaborated with the enemy by the means of military alliance... Slaves of the North should not speak of valour and courage. It is despicable!

                You speak of being anti-Khartoum, and anti-Jallaba... But always find ways to collaborate with the North. You’re a pathetic and treasonous liar!

                We fought this war... Traitors (like Riek and Matip) were mercenaries of the enemy. You can cry until your eyes drop out baby boy. You tried various means of destracting from this FACT... it just didn’t work.

                "Riek’s previous military collaboration with the government undermined his claim to head an anti-Khartoum, pro-independence Southern movement."

                Dr. Douglas Johnson- The root cause of Sudan’s civil wars-

                Tribal hatred is the signifier of your cowardice, by which you foolishly believe you can evade reality and argue for fantasy.

                You hate us because we expose your historical alliances with the north, and your anti-Dinka bias, and stomp them into nothingness... Which is what has just happened.

                Cheer up then, SLAVE.

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                • 14 December 2009 10:44, by Gatwech

                  Dear readers,

                  Let me clearly explain this topic to ’South Sudan traitors’ who have just recently joined the great vision of self-determination since they do not understand how it came about and how it is being negotiated.

                  Let me not bore you with how it came to be realized in 1991 historic year, from where the ’creeping revolution’ still creeps on to reach farther corners. Every body knows the champions of this great vision that has made the so-called united socialist new Sudan a lost vision.

                  1/ The self-determination clause was copied from the 1997 Khartoum Peace Agreement (KPA) and pasted to CPA in July 2002. It was also enshrined in the 1998 Sudan Constitution. It therefore became the basis for CPA after Garang was convinced by Riek. In their merger deal, Garang was told to remain SPLM/A leader, but must accept self-determination as the basis for political settlement between North and South. Garang got/maintained leadership (though ended) while Riek got/maintained self-determination (the bright future).

                  2/ With other provisions of the CPA, referendum law has been negotiated by Dr. Riek Machar, who always chairs the SPLM committee for CPA implementation.

                  3/ Two months ago, Dr. Machar’s team and Ali Osman Taha’s team agreed on the 51% to declare the South independent as long as two-third (66%) of registered voters show up and vote on referendum days.

                  4/ Dr. Machar went there to Juba and reported the deal to to the Council of Ministers who approved it so that he could go back to Khartoum to sign it. The jealous communist wing members within the SPLM were surprised by the achievement and voiced their rejection to it. They did not want the credit to go to Dr. Machar. They are jealous of him and do not want the people of South Sudan to always see him as their true liberator through the right of self-determination that will lead to independenece. Despite the fact that the Council of Minsters was reported to have endorsed the agreement between Dr. Machar and Ustaz Taha, the SPLM political bureau took the 51% yes vote plus other items, but told Dr. machar to go back to Khartoum and renegotiate the 66% item and bring it down between 50% and 55%.

                  5/ Dr. Machar went back to Khartoum and renegotiated the remaining ONLY item of turnout quorum. The NCP came down from 66% to 60% (see last week’s article on Saturday, 12th December, under the title "NCP connects South Sudan referendum to elected government"). In this article you will see that the so-called breakthrough was agreed long time ago.

                  6) Dr. Machar went back to Juba and reported to SPLM bureau that the NCP has come down to 60%. The SPLM Political Bureau refused Dr. Machar’s new achievement of 60% turnout and ordered him to go back to Khartoum to make it come down to 55%. Salva Kiir himself while in Europe told the Europeans that the SPLM would accept 55%. This did not materialize.

                  7/ Now that they have decided to join Dr. Machar with his agreement of 51% yes vote and 60% turnout quorum, the guys have done it in a way to steal the credit. Instead of saying that they have accepted the previous positions reported to them by Dr. Machar, and which they initially refused, they have made it to sound like a new breakthrough between the two parties. If you read the article I mentioned above, you will find that all the things agreed yesterday in Khartoum were already there, but rejected in the first place. It is a matter of confirmation for formalities, not a breakthrough on a new position.

                  The guys were trying to use the communist style of late John Garang during the liberation struggle when he always replaced an officer with his kin officer whenever a town is being captured. If an officer from a different tribe fights hard against SAF forces in a town and the town is almost falling to the SPLA as the Jallaba soldiers began to evacuate, Garang would immediately replace the SPLA officer in charge of the besieged town and move in an officer close to him so that the credit of capturing the town is given to the new officer who just joined in the fight as Jallaba soldiers have already evacuated most of the town. This is what Salva Kiir and Pagan Amum are trying to do with the referendum bill.

                  Any way, it is not bad to lend them some credit this time, but they should be honest to thank the one who toiled all this time negotiating the bills. Denying some one’s work and stealing his achievements is the work of coward and dishonest leaders. But the truth is unless others do not follow up with the news we all read on this website, we know where the agreement originates from. GO ON AND STEAL THE CREDIT!!!! EVERY SOUTHERNER THERE IN SOUTH SUDAN KNOWS WHO DID THE NEGOTIATIONS AND UP TO WHICH STAGE!!!

                  All in all, I am happy that every body has joined the great vision of self-determination and scrambling to get the credit including the offsprings of former communist unionists. Ahahahahaa...

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            • 14 December 2009 06:59, by mohammed ali

              I did not say they are all communist, and I know that for a fact that they are not all communist.But I know that communist+ Mnsour Khalid are exploiting the SPLA for their own interest and agenda!

              I didn’t it was acieved by Machar alone, but with Sava Kiir and the brilliant Dr.LUKA. I donnot want to enter in a discussion of dink/neuer/shulk/...bla..bla because Ithink it is useless and stupid"forgive me for saying that"

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          • 14 December 2009 10:31, by Time1

            ali

            The demonstrations had achieved its objectives, it managed to put pressure on NCP to listen to the people, now expect all laws to be ironed out before the end of this parliamentary session, that is before the end of the year, this includes sthe different security laws which allows for freedom of opposition activities without any intimidations from the security.

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            • 14 December 2009 13:01, by mohammed ali

              The demonstration had created unecassary tension.60 or 70% has no meaning whatsoever, because you have already achieved 75% in voter registration.If I am negotiating for the SPLA, I will bring it as an issue at all.

              Never-the-less we are going to the elections peacfully that is what matters!Alhamdu lilah!

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        • 14 December 2009 06:33, by murlescrewed

          Riek’s househelp,

          RIEK THIS, RIEK THAT. You don’t miss the opportunity to give your master credit. No one is surprised if you give him credit for the birth of your children. Riek is just the guy that goes to Khartoum to discuss the position of the party. He is not the one responsible for whatever is decided at those negotiations.

          SPLM as a party plot out its strategy. Aim for absolute in concessions and settle for something more agreeable. The NCP does exactly the same thing. So for you to try to personalize these concessions as individual achievements. Riek’s own achievements are there for all to see. He left his people at the time of need and slept with the enemy. When that failed, he crawled back with his tail between his legs. That is the legacy of your master.

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          • 14 December 2009 07:37, by Gatwech

            Yeah, he came back crawling with self-determination and gave it to you in golden plate. It is you to refuse him credit as heartless children. And he will soon be the president and father of Republic of South Sudan. What are you going to do? Are you going to deny what God has given???

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            • 14 December 2009 09:02, by Khent

              Gatwech:

              What part of discredited and pseudo-scientific do you not understand?

              We already enshrined Self-Determination in 1992, and by the time Riek was *allowed* to return to the movement- after his alliance with the enemy... There was NOTHING the TRAITOR could provide!

              The more you post, the more you convince the rest of us that you are probably *on something*.

              This is another example of one of the ongoing and crippling flaws in all of your feign thesis - your inability to objectively distinguish between evidence, and wishfull thinking.

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              • 17 December 2009 02:56, by Gatwech

                Khent,

                Many people on the net have been asking me to stop arguing with you because to them you are just a liar.

                Now you said your communist wing had enshrined self-determination in the 1992 document. Which document please? Can you quickly provide it NOW so that every body reads it? If you fail to provide the SPLM/A document of John Garang enshrining self-determination in 1992 (after 1991), then you are a liar. Prove it that you agreed to 1991 terms!!

                I AM WAITING FOR YOUR 1992 DOCUMENT ON SELF-DETERMINATION, NOT THE ABUJA OR FRANKFURT ONE FOLLOWING WILLIAM NYUON BANY’S JOINING OF 1991 SELF-DETERMINATION IN ABUJA IN 1992.

                Please I am waiting!!!!!!

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            • 14 December 2009 20:13, by murlescrewed

              Riek’s little househelp,

              RIEK is not GOING TO BE A PRESIDENT OF ANYTHING. He is the nuer’s chief and that is as far as he is gonna go. Do you really think we led South during 1972 and now by accident? Keep dreaming son. You will be rudely shocked when things go rough for you.

              For your information, Riek did not negotiate anything. He found SPLM intact and capable of winning wars unlike his poor army of child soldiers.

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            • 15 December 2009 20:00, by junub

              Gatwech,

              What credit are you talking should have given to traitor pro-Arab militia leader,Riek Machar. Say that to your militia alike who lost in the dust of revolution during the struggle era.

              If you don’t know this nyagat, here am going to say it to you. Riek is considered militia, nyagat and dog. He is Dinka dog who how brave leader used to do our things until his ass sweated but to no credit because he is merely our hunting dog.

              Riek Machar have to do all what our Dinka asked him to do to our will otherwise we can kick him out of the party and government. Riek’s job is to kisses our leading Dinka feet in order to let his pay check keeps running.

              Sorry Gatwech we don’t have credit to give to our servant Riek Machar.

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          • 14 December 2009 09:07, by Khent

            Murlescrewed:

            They’ve had the evidence brandished in front of their very eyes dozens of times, and still they don’t get it. They will never get it!

            The fact that they ignore reality when it gets in the way of their fantasies, shows that their argument is the product of ignorance, hate and stubborn stupidity...of course.

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        • 14 December 2009 10:04, by John chol Garang

          Pathetic Gatenyang!

          I think you should reconsider your analytic skills before attempting sensitive poltical iusses. Even a blind could see the gap between the previous and current agreement reached by NCP and SPLM. Stop distorting people mind with your bulshitings!!

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        • 14 December 2009 17:05, by Patrice Lumumba

          Dear Gatwech,

          Stop lying. You said nothing new and quoted the figure 66% has changed to 60% that is a big change. YOU ARE OUT TO CRITICISE THE SPLM. YOU BELIEVE THAT NOTHING THE SPLM CAN DO RIGHT. YOU KEEP RUNNING BETWEEN DR RIAK AND DR. LAM. PLEASE MAKE UP YOUR MIND.

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        • 14 December 2009 20:50, by Kur

          Mr. Gatwech,

          You seemed to be a very disturbed person of little undestanding. You should praise the SPLm for its courage to stand up against injustice. The difference of 1% is a big deal, leave alone the difference of 6%. So, you need to say what you’re looking for because you appear to have a different agenda the way look at things, even the things that would benefit the people of South Sudan.

          I notice the tone of crazy ideas in your comments. You’re possibly part of those thugs who hindered the struggle of people of South Sudan for years. Those who were thinking that they would kill all Dinkas and other tribes in order to gain power, and after that they would come and fight the Arabs. Can you imagine how stupid are those people who belong to such group? That is where you belong.

          Kur

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      • 14 December 2009 05:12, by maumau

        Brothers and sisters, whether this break through in the negotiation on referendum law has been achieved by Dr. Riek Machar or those of Pagan Amum and Nasir, we jointly have the responsibility to celebrate because they are South Sudanese and have accepted the duty. Why make all the noise!!. At least i am seeing us close to our long awaited independent. MAUMAU

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      • 14 December 2009 06:34, by Mayom Biar

        Hi, Big-Logic

        Please my dear could you change the languge that you use. though they are weak yet they are your leaders, it seem you base your hope on a new baby born but not yet born. first work with these corruptees that why you will get your choice the time has come.

        Thanks

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  • 14 December 2009 03:52, by kuminyandi

    One down and many more to come. Good Job to Mr. Amum, good job to Mr. Arman.

    Kumi,

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  • 14 December 2009 03:57, by Mathonbor

    Mr. Kiir, good job for your outstanding working during the last four days. I also wanted to thanks Pagan Amum and Yasir Arman for work they did last monday. That surely led to this agreement between the SPLM and NCP.

    Mr. President, You should have lead the negotiating team long time ago not delegating it to the incompetent militia leader Riek Machar who has never acomplish anything in his life.

    He led the SPLA Nasir Faction but he failed. He formed SSIM, he also failed. He was the chief Negotiator during the LRA and Ugandian goverment peace process then he failed big time. Recently he was the leader of the SPLM negotiating team and he always come back to Juba empty handed.

    Mr. president, you need to fire Riek Machar otherwise he will fail you too.

    Mathon de Bor

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    • 14 December 2009 04:49, by Gatwech

      Yeah, you can now fire him after negotiating and implementing for you 94% of the laws and the CPA in general. You are proud of negotiating the remaining 6%, ah. Wow! What a desperate attempt to get credit. If it were not Dr. Riek in Khartoum who kept telling Salvatore Kiir to remain in khartoum with him and attend the cabinet meeting to pass the bills, Kiir would have returned to Juba as usual leaving Bashir and Taha in the cabinet. He was brave and courageous this time because Dr. Riek was beside him in Khartoum, consoling him.

      But don’t lie about any new agreement. Read the article posted last week on Saturday under the title "NCP connects South Sudan referendum to elected government." You will find that 60% turnout was already there, but SPLM wanted 55%. Now they have come back and accepted the 60%. Read it please.

      Pagan was not looking for referendum law, he was looking for democratic reform laws which is a project given to him by Sadig and Turabi. Now that they have been left in the cool with the referendum law coming first, they have confused what to do. Pagain has shamelessly accepted 60% instead of 50% he fooled people to be fighting for. Actually he is not after referendum law which his new mentor, Sadiq refuses, Pagan is after democratic reform laws that would benefit Sadiq. Kiir should not this time allow this communist reckless non-politician to cause a crisis again in the name of democratic reform laws. We need referendum NOW, not democracy in the last remaining months of interim period. Where was democracy in the last five years?

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  • 14 December 2009 04:00, by Dinka Boy

    Dear brothers and sisters,

    60% is way better then 66% of Riek Machar.
    Thanks to negotiation team.
    We all knows that this happened because we have strong SPLM leaders like Pagan who really know SPLM from the bottom to the top and its principles. I am happy now.
    Thanks

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  • 14 December 2009 04:09, by Aduol Liet

    Omar al Bashir and his National Congress Party are they one who made everything difficult otherwise,

    The Sudan Country would have make a big different if the Country was been handle over to the SPLM Party for New Sudan’s vision. Omar al Bashir must know that,all Black African Majority Tribes in Sudan are united against dominators that, Arab minority have been leading Sudan for 50 years since from the independence history and this time things are getting change if the Arab people in Sudan are not showing sincerely this time around then, it is going to be very difficult for Arab people to lead the Black African Majority in the Sudan, we now knowing more than before.

    South Kordfan and Blue Nile people must make sure that, this is our good time to deny those who call themselves as a National Congress Party and we want you to supports only SPLM Party for New Sudan which mean New constitutionalism of the SPLM Libaration for all Sudanese people. Nubian people must stick with the Southern Sudanese people whatever, difficulties are made by the National Congress Party, you must vote for the SPLM New’s visionary to lead Sudan in to different direction rather than Arab policy for killing our Black people in the Sudan, we are tried for the massive killing innocent people fot no reasonable.

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    • 14 December 2009 04:17, by telfajbago

      The SPLM/A leadership needs to be very mindful to the National Congress Party’s shroud move and trick of drawing a wedge between the SPLM/A and the north opposition groups.And then renegade from the very promises they made,after they fully realize that the gap between the SPLM/A and it’s political allies became big,to the extend that they can no longer agree on joint political program or trust each other.I believe,the National Congress Party is not serious and will not be serious about a mending the security laws and allowing referendum to take place, and it’s because the current political tide is not to their favor that, they want to cool their sabotaging plan for a while.Until the opportune moment to strike a fatal blow,to both SPLM/A and his north political alliances.

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      • 14 December 2009 04:24, by Biliu

        That’s a victory to all Sudanese, if the two parties failed to reach a common ground where CPA is implemented, the other options would be worse, congratulations to us all…now it’s our effort to make the choice, unity or independence.

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    • 14 December 2009 04:26, by mohammed ali

      Well done , good work thanks to Salva Kiir,Dr. Riek Machar and Dr. Luka.Now the communist wing, and the SPLA opportunistic Jalabba have been isolated and together with other foxes and monsters of the Sudanese politics, let us move forward towards election and referendum and let the people of the SOUTH achieve their inspiration.

      60% or 67% is not a big deal and it is easily achieveable , particulary the already the registration for election now is more than 75%.

      Let us move towards peacful and prosporus Sudan, united or separated..through dialogue, negotiations and mutual understanding!

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  • 14 December 2009 04:24, by Gatmi raan

    There is nothing to high five about.its just a tactical move NCP to give itself a bit of a breathing room after a world wide condemation on demonstrators.

    Let tell everyone on this site that, there no election. and if there any it would not be free nor fair. thats why the NCP notched the percentage up to 60% turn out.i believed if South sudan wants freedom they have to earned through a self declaration of its Independence and then be prepared to depend it. Kosovo just did last because, Serbia was obstructing the Kosovo independence. was no before April. otherwise we will go to war anyway on April period!!!!!!!

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    • 14 December 2009 04:37, by Biliu

      Gatmi Raan, I think you have a good point there, pertaining to the Elections, I think NCP is not ready for transparence democratic transformation, the latest events on what was a peaceful procession to the parliament are the prove that NCP will not removed those rules restricting freedom of parties and individuals in Sudan, but the time is too earlier to decide boycotting the elections…. Elections or no elections…..South will go for self -determination…. That’s all matter.

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      • 14 December 2009 05:20, by Maruon Ayiei

        Gatwech

        Man what is wrong with your understanding and reasoning? Machar, Kiir and Pagan are not foes as you might precieved. They are both from the SPLM. What is Machar doing is the same what Pagan doing. You have to quit your 1990s mentality and joint the southerners at this juncture. You been sidelining and you will never add an inch either to yourself or your intend with this paraniod thinking. Stop fabricating histories.

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        • 14 December 2009 06:43, by Gatwech

          Maruon Ayiei,

          It is your camp which is joining the southerners’ self-determination after the death of your poor united sudan vision.

          Now if you have realized that Kiir, Machar and Pagan are one, then why do you want to deny credit to Machar which he deserves and instead keep on insulting him?

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          • 14 December 2009 07:38, by Maruon Ayiei

            The credit is due to all of them but you insisted to create an infinite argument which bear no fruit at all. I never joint SSIM so don’t twist the preception in your favor, it wouldn’t work. Machar is now a member of SPLM whether you disagree with me or agree, he is in our heirarchy and you cannot fraud that. Your tribalistic mind will soon fade in the near future. Garang was the star of the CPA and the forsee new country come 2011. Joint me in the SPLM and let work togather cousin.

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    • 14 December 2009 04:56, by Dinka Boy

      Gatm Raan,

      There is something bothering you in your reasoning.
      Let me ask you.
      Do you like 66% or 60%.
      Your Bashier wife will not win anything in front of great liberators -SPLM.
      Thanks

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      • 14 December 2009 05:17, by Gatmi raan

        66% initially, now is 60%. even if it NCP had agreed on 51% quorum (or turn out) really it make no differnce. there will never election that the NCP deemed fair unless its came out as winner on every catogories..Presidency or Referendum. It would be wise if we declare our independence, rather this precious time when world events are in our favour. but they are not going to stay in favour for long. just declare my indepence next year and am ready to defend it, period!!!!!!!!!!!

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        • 14 December 2009 05:40, by Dinka Boy

          Gatmi Raan,
          That is your own dreaming.

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      • 14 December 2009 05:27, by Kim Deng

        Coward Jang/Slave (Dinka Boy),

        You have been against any percentage toward turnout vote if you can recall your weak position on the matter. But it comes clear that you’re against any issue which seem to be discussed by Dr. Riek Machar unless if it your favor leader. What a poor judgement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        Now, we all are on the same boat, but what is next? Demonstrations... I doubt your coward King to support this risky attempt and it’s too late for those few unionists [Pagan, Yasir...] within the GoSS who keep dreaming to hijack the CPA for their own self-interests.

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        • 14 December 2009 06:04, by Malakal

          Monkey Kim Deeng

          Any negotiation done by traitor RIAK should not be considered meaningful because he is simply a stooge for NIF, as simple as that. Southerners only trust thier only dedicated servants like Pagan and Arman not naive traitor who can easily switch sides when the situation no longer favor him, like Riak in the 90s.

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          • 14 December 2009 06:48, by Kim Deng

            Coward Jaang/Slaves,

            Dr. Riek Machar does’t want your credit or whatsoever at all since your hatred against him is beyond repair due to Nasir declaration move [August 28, 1991], the only blessing day for Southern Sudanese.

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            • 14 December 2009 09:44, by Khent

              Coward Nuer/ Khartoum’s shameless slaves in the oil-fields:

              Paulino Matip Nhial, as a Major-General in the Sudanese army- protected the oilf-fields on the behalf of Khartoum, did he not? Since their days in Mayom together, Matip was a loyal guard dog for Omar al-Bashir and the Khartoum government in the oil-fields.

              "Matip had maintained a somewhat autonomous military and economic base in his Bul Nuer territory near Bentiu. As a Major-General in the Sudanese army, he had direct access to military supplies."

              "The intensification of oil exploitation in the Bentiu oilfields in 1998-9 brought with it, into the region, an increase of the SAF and other armed personnel, as well as foreign oil-workers (most of them Chinese) contributing directly to another outbreak of fighting between a profusion of Nuer factions beginning in April 1999."

              - Dr. Douglas Johnson-

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  • 14 December 2009 05:00, by Gatmi raan

    • There is nothing to high five about. Its just a tactical move by NCP to give itself a bit of a breathing room to outmaneuver its Junior partner (The SPLM) once again. And its not a surprised to me really especially, after a world wide condemnation on its tactics used against the peaceful procession on SPLM secretariat and opposition parties in Khartoum.
    Let me remind everyone on this site that, there will be no election next year. And if there is one, it would not be free nor fair. Thats why the NCP notched the percentage up to 60% turn out in order to give a sealed of approval. But that is not it. It wants a percentage that suit it goal, so it could manipulates it outcome. But I believed if ( we) South Sudan wants our freedom, then we have to earned it conventional method by declaring our Independence before April if not immediately. Otherwise, it is not going to be handed to us in silver platter plate by the NIF.
    Kosovo just did it last year. Why not South Sudan? Who had suffered for more than five decades under Successive regimes in Khartoum. Its time to Declare or be fooled again by NCP!!!!!!!!!

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    • 14 December 2009 05:49, by ajuscommando2

      Dear readers,

      Nothing we need in demonstration since our demands are accepted by NCP and those warning been made by NCP members are zero work for Southerners because we have already achieved our objectives of 51%, Abyei oil and public consultation for Blue Nile and South Kordofan. The NCP spies in the South Sudan have failed with their father Bashir and accepted the defeat from Pagan Amum and Yasir Araman. Nafi Nafi should be advice Northerners seriously to avoid beating drum of War since he doesn’t know the consequences of it and should also know that, Pagan Amum and Yasir Araman were SPLA military personals during the conflict so they can be threaten of War by NCP. We SPLA are not terrorists but we are organize army under good governing by GOSS and we can not attempt to threat by public of War since our theme is to bring peace to general Sudan not only South.

      Ajuscommando2

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    • 14 December 2009 05:57, by ajuscommando2

      Dear readers,

      Nothing we need in demonstration since our demands are accepted by NCP and those warning been made by NCP members are zero work for Southerners because we have already achieved our objectives of 51%, Abyei oil and public consultation for Blue Nile and South Kordofan. The NCP spies in the South Sudan have failed with their father Bashir and accepted the defeat from Pagan Amum and Yasir Araman. Nafi Nafi should be advice by Northerners seriously to avoid beating drum of War since he doesn’t know the consequences of it and should also know that, Pagan Amum and Yasir Araman were SPLA military personals during the conflict so they cannot be threaten of War by NCP. We SPLA are not terrorists but we are organize army under good governing by GOSS and we can not attempt to threat public of War since our theme is to bring peace to general Sudan not only South.

      Ajuscommando2

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  • 14 December 2009 05:04, by Angelo Achuil

    "51% yes" approved. That’s good news!

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  • 14 December 2009 05:11, by Gatwech

    Bravo Salva Kiir and Riek Machar (Pagan included),

    First, I thank the two giant SPLM leaders in the person of Mr. Salva Kiir and Dr. Riek Machar for cleverly managing the brewed crisis and turned it positive despite the intention of Pagan Amum to make it a bloody communist style mutiny of SPLM from its partners, NCP. The political bureau meeting which called for continuation of dialogue despite the arrest of Pagan Amum and Yasser Arman was a wise decision. Contacts I have been making with those in Sudan suggest that Pagan and Arman were disappointed over your wise decision to continue with dialogue. They wanted you to declare war on NCP, which they would not fight themselves but come to US and live safely in their bought mansions withe money meant for the marginalized.

    Now because of your wise tactics, you have instead pressed for dialogue and resolve the ONLY remaining 6% differences over the referendums either for Abyei, South Sudan, Southern Kordufan, Southern Blue Nile, etc. The remaining points were very few and close to agreement. The gap was very narrow.

    But Pagan should NOT lie about any new agreement. Read the article posted last week on Saturday under the title "NCP connects South Sudan referendum to elected government." You will find that 60% turnout was already there, but SPLM wanted 55%. Now they have come back and accepted the 60%. Other previous articles since November talk about the same thing. The whole bills were agreed with very few differences. Read it please.

    Pagan was not looking for referendum law, he was looking for democratic reform laws which is a project given to him by Sadig and Turabi. Now that they have been left in the cool with the referendum law coming first, they are confused do not know what to do to create a crisis. Their intention to create a crisis has been managed WELL by great thinkers who have defused it through dialogue. Pagan has shamelessly accepted 60% instead of 50% he fooled people to be fighting for, which a difference of 10% points. Actually he is not after referendum law which his new mentor, Sadiq refuses. Pagan is after democratic reform laws that would benefit Sadiq. Kiir should not this time allow this communist reckless non-politician to cause a crisis again in the name of democratic reform laws. We need referendum NOW, not democracy in the last remaining months of interim period. Where was democracy in the last five years?

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    • 14 December 2009 05:28, by Gatwech

      SHAME, SHAME, SHAME ON YOU GUYS who are just looking for credit you have NOT worked for.

      Please read below the quotes I got from the article posted last week on Saturday, 12th December summarizing all the agreement reached and what remained. This is the article entitled: "NCP connects South Sudan referendum to elected government."

      Read the three paragraphs below:

      "On Southern Sudan referendum turnout quorum which has remained contentious, the SPLM has conceded 55% while the NCP wants 60% and that the matter should be agreed upon as a package with other remaining contentious issues."

      "The two parties had earlier agreed on 51% in favor of separation votes of the would-be agreed quorum to declare the South independent."

      "The bills under discussions are supposed to be passed by the national Council of Ministers and National Assembly in its current last session which is expected to expire in two weeks."

      Shame, can’t you see the agreement was already reached and it is the matter of confirmation by Salva Kiir?

      I have been telling you guys that the fight is to discredit Dr. Machar and steal the credit and give it to somebody else like a looted property. But who doesn’t follow the news and know that this is the old agreement already reached. The new about it is that Salva Kiir this time accepted to stay in Khartoum and attend cabinet meeting which passed the bill. That is the ONLY difference!!!!! Ahahahahaaaa.... You can run but you cannot hide guys. Give credit to where it belongs!!!! DON’T STEAL IT!!!! IT IS A SIN!!!!

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      • 14 December 2009 06:14, by Kim Deng

        Gatwech [Son of the Country],

        If they failed to give appreciation, credit, thanks,... to the brave man who destroyed "New Sudan" vision for his self-determination for South Sudan, do you think they can give credit to him just because of 51% and 60% he negotiated for couple of months? The 51% was agreed upon by both parties to declare South Sudan independence, yet they did not give any credit to the same man who negotiated it, but jealousy instead.

        Dr. Riek Machar Teny-Dhurgon who knows what he has been doing dosen’t want credit or whatsoever from those who hate him to death. Their hatred toward Dr. Riek will never yield any signal at all, but it’s waste of time any energy as far as his unchangable vision concerned.

        Thanks,

        Kim

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        • 14 December 2009 06:59, by Gatwech

          Kim Deng,

          You have hit the nail on the head. They are wasting their time with tribal jealousy trying to discredit Dr. Machar and stealing his achievements. They will NEVER change any thing.

          See, now Dr. Machar is keeping queit and allowing Pagan Amum to make noises about the bill. He understands the mind of Pagan and knows what Pagan wants most...and that is media consumption and looting of credit. He wants to treat Pagan that way by allowing him as his spokesman.

          Kim, Ngundeng says "... Liepe ha ni looc, Tako ke laat to lat ko kone marol (Jallaba). Now these negotiations are coming to an end, guess what???

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          • 14 December 2009 07:07, by Dinka Boy

            Mr Gatwech/Kim Dang,

            Yes your idol ngundeeng satan usless said wait.
            What next!.
            We are waiting too.

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    • 14 December 2009 06:13, by Dinka Boy

      Iam very excited today.
      The truth tell it selfs,
      This truth make Gatwech run like rat posting the same article on six difference comments.
      Haaaaaaa.
      Pagan Amum,Arman and SPLM/SPLA oooyeeee.

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      • 14 December 2009 06:40, by The Best Generation

        Dear Readers:
        Can we appreciate SPLM, the people’s party for the goal almost achieved.

        Most of the people here are more concentrating on individuals the on the name of the TEAM=SPLM, I think that is not healthy.

        We all are a team, no matter who scores the goal, the success is for us all, thakz.

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        • 14 December 2009 07:18, by Gatwech

          The best generation,

          Yes, you are correct. It is a team work, and in the last hour it has included Kiir, Riek and Pagan and the rest.

          But don’t forget to mention the team leader, because there is no team without a leader. Even in football games you have a captain that organizes the team and directs the team.

          One of my Equatorian friends with me here has told me this wise comment and I want to post it in the way he looked at it.

          He divided specializations between Kiir, Riek and Pagan in order for them to share the credit as a team plus their aides.

          1) He said Riek is the team leader who has been negotiating the bills all these time as head of SPLM Committee and had already reached 94% of it with NCP, and is ongoing.

          2) He said Pagan Amum is tactically used as a controversial figure to issue threatening, sometimes irrelvant statements in his capacity as a bad mouthing team member to try to put some violent pressure on NCP to remind the NCP that SPLM would declare war.

          3) He said Salva Kiir is reserved to deny Pagan’s statements after assessing the reaction of NCP. If the reaction is possitive, he confirms the statements, if the reaction is negative, he denies Pagan’s statements while Dr. Riek goes on pushing the NCP on negotiations to reach a deal on the few remaining points in order to avoid the bad mouthing of Pagan in the last hour.

          In this way the team is a team, but with a leader.

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          • 14 December 2009 09:23, by mohammed ali

            Pagan was talking about national security law, demcratic transformation , freedom of press and...bal...bla...did you hear anybody talking about them!

            The team who did was Luka, Machar, Salva, I wish you had seen his when he announced the greement on the TV, it was a face of a dead man; no expression!The same thing was Ysair Arman face..mortal.

            HEY i am missing my friend the communist Nubian who wants to stage a revolution under the leadership of Seiekh Hassan!WAITING FOR YOUR CALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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          • 14 December 2009 11:16, by The Best Generation

            Gatmaar,I know that one or two of the team members might have played harder than other, but my point here is let’s not give too much rooom on individuals’ contribution now, later,ok, no one will deny them.

            You might remember it well that our heros who did not spare their lives from the bullets of the enemy did not claim for credit of any kind, but all died in the name of freedom of the "best Generation" to enjoy its fruit.Even those figures of ours, we are talking about to day, do not count themseves alive

            In the same manner all posts that ppl post in here do not count, let me tell, damaar in goa, ok. But what counts are those driven by true nationalism. SPLM is not a tribal Organisation and will never give room to any tribal aspirants of any kind.

            Furthermore, we can not rule out that we need both strikers and defenders at the same time in our team,so that there shall be no any chance for our enemy to enslave "the best Generation" like their countless ancestors, that died without knowing that they endowed to drive a simple vehicle, like gaat jalabni.

            Thankz for listenning!

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        • 14 December 2009 07:24, by wang

          Gatwech and Kim, leave those shits alone. They will never get it.The whole world knows, Machar done the entired referendum negotiations with the central goverment in North. Whose Known if those 51-60% requirements for referendum will turn up into votes. If you look up the over 15 million voters registered for Sudan’s election. Nuer and Equatoria are Dominantd our regions voters. These are figures, which i didn’t make them up.

          Eastern Equatoria: 393124
          Upper Nile 405651 (Majority Nuer)
          Jonglei: 481551 (over 75% Nuer)

          Unity State 522196 (Pure Nuer)
          Central Equatoria: 532031

          We actualy transforming Southern Sudan into Democratic Society. Be Proud to be one of these two tribes.

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          • 14 December 2009 07:42, by Mr Farmous Big_Logic_Boy

            Gatwech

            Why can’t you shut your dirty mouth off?

            I know you just want your shit Riek to be the one to go and mess with his political prostitute of Khartoum.

            But let us wait from these SPLA men first.

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  • 14 December 2009 07:46, by Atem Angok

    To Nafie Ali,
    mine you, you are stupid arab who do not understand how serious are the southerners on this issue of self determination.more southerners have self-offered to die than the donation of majadieen/janjaweet you are talking about. the majadieen also know us well during guerila era but to them, this time is government with government. try and you will see right from Khartoum not only south this time.

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    • 14 December 2009 08:21, by James Deng Dimo

      To Nafie Al, this is your stupity as Arab of declaring it in a rally that you are online to offer more 100,000 than 40,000 dead, late me tell you that today the war that distroy South Sudan only will not again ended in South but Khartoum will be the fire base.

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    • 14 December 2009 08:24, by Wende Yongaptheeth

      Look at this arabized and Islamized Bantustan or Nubian Nafie Ali Nafie and Osman Mustafa. The niggers looks like rats. How stupid the Ja’alyeen tribalist such as Nafie Ali Nafie and Mustafa can called Dr. Abdalla Hassan Tourabi a pure African Muslim an "old Shiekh?"

      These Ja’alyeen tribalist mafia running Khartoum as a Ja’alyeenweed state are anti Islam, anti Sudan and anti the Sudanese people.

      Their tribal chief and the Talaban of Africa leader Al Beshir or Mulah Omar Beshir is and will be hang period and we the Sudanese people will stop at nothing then hunging the criminal Ja’alyeen tribalist.
      Death to the Talaban of Africa and their Ja’alyeen tribal chief AL Beshir. Death to the NIF or the Talaban of Africa led by the Ja’alyeen tribalists.
      If Osman Mustafa, Al Beshir, Nafie Alie Nafie, Hawad Ijaz are arabs, the Riek Machar, Kiir Mayardit, Dr. John Garang, Hassan Tourabi, Pagan Amum, Yasser Arman, Mansour Khalid and Wende Yongatheeth are arabs.

      I’m lighter in skin, tall, long and fat nose and big head. Beshir and Numiery are not typical arabic if there is anthing superior in being arabic.

      This is the voice of Sudanese arab Wende Yongaptheeth.

      We are all arabs in Sudan or there is no arab among us at all.

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      • 14 December 2009 08:36, by Wende Yongaptheeth

        Actually we are hoping and praying that the NCP provocks the SPLM which strong and almost ten 10,000 troops in around Khartoum and is backed by AU- and UN forces plus, Nubans, Darfuris and Eastern forces.

        That will be the end of Khartoum we will destroy the shit out of the crappy city and hand the Ja’alyeen tribal chief or the Talaban of Africa Mulah Omar Beshir to the ICC.

        We wants it to happen this year not next year.

        The arrest of SPLA commanders, CDR Pagan Amum Okech and CDR Yasser Arman makes everybody legible for arrest including AL Beshir. If the Talaban leader Mulah Omar Beshir step his lamed ugly foot on Southern soil, we will arrest him and hand him over to the ICC.
        Lets him come to Malakal, Bentieu, Wau, Juba or Torit, he will be in the Hague automatically.

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        • 14 December 2009 09:03, by kuminyandi

          For how long are we going to stop tribalism in Southern Sudan? Reading these tribalism comments makes me sick. Is this the future of Southern Sudan? Please let me know!

          Kumi,

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      • 14 December 2009 08:54, by ajuscommando2

        Dear brothers& Sisters,

        How many time Riek Machar went to Khartoum and failed to convinced NCP during their discussion with Osman Ali Taha on outstanding issues concerning CPA. The fact should remain that, Pagan Amum and Yasir Araman have done great part in the accepted outstanding issues by NCP today. I don’t promote and appreciate the senior leaders who have done nothing than their juniors’ officers who perform their task very well. The best politician in the world is the person who doesn’t fear the facts but fear for the crime against another’s human being right and life. In the South, we have strong leaders who can speak very well in the public but when thing reach to boiling hot point than they keep silence and all of us knows them. The only people I can appreciate right now are Pagan Amum and Yasir Araman on their task and second groups are Youths of South Sudan for their reaction and third seniors SPLM officials with their president Kiir. May God bless wise people all the time and aprove their skill of their task and imporve weak gruops to be wise also.

        Ajuscommando2

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        • 14 December 2009 09:07, by ku na yien

          Listen here mrs H5N1 or her husband’s fifth anniversary.

          Jok(jong) sometimes means the mighty spirit(god) while lei means extraordinary powers.to which combination is Almighty spirit with extraordinary powers. That is all in dinka language not nuer. Be realistic that you were born for entertainment,betrayal,thuggery and lack of confidences.

          Most Nuer particularly Naath of Kim Deng are zeroly empty behind the vacuum space except Houth Mai and Taban Deng.

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        • 14 December 2009 09:11, by Wende Yongaptheeth

          Thank you Ajuscommondo2.

          It is actually Pagan Amum Okech and Yasser Arman who secured and brought the referrendum laws not coward and arab collaborator Riek Machar or Lam Akol.

          Where is Riek in the picture here? It is Pagan not Riek who is doing the best job.

          Lets Nuer envious and jealousies run while against Southerners and they will face it.

          Thank you Cdr comarade Pagan Amum Okech you brought the refferendum laws and self-determination.

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          • 14 December 2009 09:18, by Wende Yongaptheeth

            sacrifice not credit claims is what matters.

            Endanger yourself on our behave and we will know.

            Farters such as Riek Machar like to claim credits while they do not sacrifice anything.

            Pagan Amum Okech though is a Shilluk and I’m not I’m aquitted Arab. Pagan deserves more thank you then slaves such as Riek Machar and Lam Akol.

            Wende Yongaptheeth is a quitted Sudanese arab who called himself African and more darker then the Syrians but lighter then Obama and Collin Power.

            He is a proud African not running away from himself to chase others shadows.

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            • 14 December 2009 09:33, by mack waweru

              This is what we were aspiring to as Southern Sudanese. The quroum of NCP would not be an obstacle or what to fear for. Congratulations to our wise leadership.
              For disllusioned and shortsighted in persons like Gatwech, etc your unfulfilled prophicies and amity to SPLM will only hurt your conscience.

              Mack Awer

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  • 14 December 2009 10:27, by John chol Garang

    Well done SPLM/A

    This party is the hope of people in the entire South Sudan. Keep the momentum going. Theory of gravity developed by Isaac Newton states that an object changes its direction if it is acted upon.
    In the absence of a net force acting on it, an object at rest will remain at rest and an object in uniform motion will continue at a constant velocity in a straight line.

    An object at rest tends to stay at rest and an object in motion tends to stay in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force.

    An object tends to resist any change in its motion (it keeps on doing what it’s doing) unless acted upon by a net or unbalanced force. This have postulations by a great scientist have a political dimension to it.

    Last week, SPLM began to apply just an inch of force which created pressure on the side of NCP. The result is seen by many Southners based on compromise you have reached with the Evil Party. Keep UP! SPLA OYee, SPLA OYEEEEEEEEE

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  • 14 December 2009 10:33, by Time1

    This means the demonstrations fromt he people have achieved its mission, NCP has now accepted to pass most of the laws and not just referendum laws, therefore freedom is coming to the Sudanese people in general very soon.

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  • 14 December 2009 10:38, by Gatwech

    Dear readers,

    Let me clearly explain this topic to ’South Sudan traitors’ who have just recently joined the great vision of self-determination since they do not understand how it came about and how it is being negotiated.

    Let me not bore you with how it came to be realized in 1991 historic year, from where the ’creeping revolution’ still creeps on to reach farther corners. Every body knows the champions of this great vision that has made the so-called united socialist new Sudan a lost vision.

    1/ The self-determination clause was copied from the 1997 Khartoum Peace Agreement (KPA) and pasted to CPA in July 2002. It was also enshrined in the 1998 Sudan Constitution. It therefore became the basis for CPA after Garang was convinced by Riek. In their merger deal, Garang was told to remain SPLM/A leader, but must accept self-determination as the basis for political settlement between North and South. Garang got/maintained leadership (though ended) while Riek got/maintained self-determination (the bright future).

    2/ With other provisions of the CPA, referendum law has been negotiated by Dr. Riek Machar, who always chairs the SPLM committee for CPA implementation.

    3/ Two months ago, Dr. Machar’s team and Ali Osman Taha’s team agreed on the 51% to declare the South independent as long as two-third (66%) of registered voters show up and vote on referendum days.

    4/ Dr. Machar went there to Juba and reported the deal to to the Council of Ministers who approved it so that he could go back to Khartoum to sign it. The jealous communist wing members within the SPLM were surprised by the achievement and voiced their rejection to it. They did not want the credit to go to Dr. Machar. They are jealous of him and do not want the people of South Sudan to always see him as their true liberator through the right of self-determination that will lead to independenece. Despite the fact that the Council of Minsters was reported to have endorsed the agreement between Dr. Machar and Ustaz Taha, the SPLM political bureau took the 51% yes vote plus other items, but told Dr. machar to go back to Khartoum and renegotiate the 66% item and bring it down between 50% and 55%.

    5/ Dr. Machar went back to Khartoum and renegotiated the remaining ONLY item of turnout quorum. The NCP came down from 66% to 60% (see last week’s article on Saturday, 12th December, under the title "NCP connects South Sudan referendum to elected government"). In this article you will see that the so-called breakthrough was agreed long time ago.

    6) Dr. Machar went back to Juba and reported to SPLM bureau that the NCP has come down to 60%. The SPLM Political Bureau refused Dr. Machar’s new achievement of 60% turnout and ordered him to go back to Khartoum to make it come down to 55%. Salva Kiir himself while in Europe told the Europeans that the SPLM would accept 55%. This did not materialize.

    7/ Now that they have decided to join Dr. Machar with his agreement of 51% yes vote and 60% turnout quorum, the guys have done it in a way to steal the credit. Instead of saying that they have accepted the previous positions reported to them by Dr. Machar, and which they initially refused, they have made it to sound like a new breakthrough between the two parties. If you read the article I mentioned above, you will find that all the things agreed yesterday in Khartoum were already there, but rejected in the first place. It is a matter of confirmation for formalities, not a breakthrough on a new position.

    The guys were trying to use the communist style of late John Garang during the liberation struggle when he always replaced an officer with his kin officer whenever a town is being captured. If an officer from a different tribe fights hard against SAF forces in a town and the town is almost falling to the SPLA as the Jallaba soldiers began to evacuate, Garang would immediately replace the SPLA officer in charge of the besieged town and move in an officer close to him so that the credit of capturing the town is given to the new officer who just joined in the fight as Jallaba soldiers have already evacuated most of the town. This is what Salva Kiir and Pagan Amum are trying to do with the referendum bill.

    Any way, it is not bad to lend them some credit this time, but they should be honest to thank the one who toiled all this time negotiating the bills. Denying some one’s work and stealing his achievements is the work of coward and dishonest leaders. But the truth is unless others do not follow up with the news we all read on this website, we know where the agreement originates from. GO ON AND STEAL THE CREDIT!!!! EVERY SOUTHERNER THERE IN SOUTH SUDAN KNOWS WHO DID THE NEGOTIATIONS AND UP TO WHICH STAGE!!!

    All in all, I am happy that every body has joined self-determination and scrambling to get its credit including the former communist unionists!!!! Ahahahahaaa.....

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    • 14 December 2009 16:39, by Khent

      Gatwech:

      Your documented betrayal renders ludicrous for you and your ilk, to utter words such as "traitor" or anything akin to that.

      Riek was lampooned, supplied and financed by Khartoum... His continual existence relied on sustenance from the North. Now a small child can understand the above.

      So either you are pretending to lack the intellectual capacity of even a small child....

      .... Or you are trolling by making obtuse arguments you don’t actually believe in.

      Which is it?

      Your posts are examples of projectionism:

      In psychological terms, Projectionism is where someone projects their own noxious qualities on someone else, and then despises the recipient for now apparently possessing those noxious qualities, and sees themselves totally blameless in their own eyes.

      Sorry, but collaborating with the enemy is your forte.

      Name a scholar who asserts the antecedent nature of the 1997 agreement to the CPA. Name a scholar who supports your position?

      You can’t, can you? Because your view is ridiculous, and you know it.

      The Chukudum Accord- The antecedent to the CPA:

      The Chukudum accord resembles the CPA, and is the direct antecedent to the CPA agreement, provided by the men of the Torit faction and Dr. John Garang. The Chukudum accord mentions other regions- southern Blue Nile, Nuba Mountains, ingessana hills and eastern Sudan… A political position, which can only be ascribed to Dr. John Garang.

      Furthermore, security provisions in Riek’s 1997 agreement, do not at all resemble the judicious security provisions in the CPA.

      Self-Determination was *NOT* "copied" from the 1997 agreement, considering that Self-Determination was already present within the structures of Dr. John Garang’s SPLM/A in 1992. Even as bad lying arguments go, your lie is structurally -non-sensical.

      Once again, I want a name who can affirm your position. I do not want another blob-of-spam-distractions, filled with self-aggrandizing pseudo-history.

      Your lack of citation or evidence, in the context of your desperate attempt to misconstrue, is a joke. This is another example of one of the ongoing and crippling flaws in all of your feign thesis - your inability to objectively distinguish between evidence, and wishful thinking.

      Now, please provide excerpts from this elusive discussion between Dr. John Garang and treasonous Riek, which supposedly took place.

      I don’t credit unnamed sources.

      This has been an unanswered request.... Evidently you have nothing to say, on the subject that you started? Though your penchant for incoherence requires no further demonstration at this point and obviously isn’t what you meant to do.

      Hum, what are you doing then? You really are lost aren’t you?

      I have explained this to you over and over- yet you continue this tirade of silliness. No one in here takes you seriously, except for your mentally deranged followers.

      Our conversations go nowhere because your fantasies are trapped and crushed by facts, that cause you attempt to repeat the same old lies.

      Truth Matters. Here is the truth:

      There was NEVER an interaction between Dr. John Garang and treacherous Riek, in which Dr. John Garang supposedly acquiesced to Self-Determination so as to keep his leadership position, a position which could not have been challenged by a man no longer supplied by his masters in Khartoum.

      "The impact of the long-delayed reconciliation between Riek and Garang in January 2000 was muted by the fact, that Riek had very few troops to bring with him: he had alienated many of his former subordinates."

      Dr. Douglas Johnson-

      It’s not our fault that you can’t understand politics, no matter how simple it is broken down into baby bites for you.

      Riek was politically and militarily irrelevant by 1999, and without our requisite forgiveness- your treasonous son, would be NOTHING! Dr. Douglas Johnson affirms this.

      Your treasonous son was accepted back into the movement... Such a decision was predicated on the will and terms of my camp.

      Regarding Your claims against Dr. John Garang:

      Dr. John Garang did not usurp the contribution of others and ascribe them to his kinsmen... Your post is merely an example of an embittered individual with an axe to grind with the late Dr. John Garang.

      But you keep the stuff at such a loony level, that no one takes it seriously, so I don’t think it can work, even on a petty-revenge level.

      Since you can’t even find articles or sources to support your loony claims, citing the above amounts to an admission that your claims are simply baseless, which you are pathetically desperate to justify.

      Your posts inform on the assumption that an idea, once imagined, must exist as a physical reality, simply because it is imagined.

      Readers:

      Gatwech is so consumed by his hatred of others, that he will make up any idiotic fantasy so as to attempt to degrade them.

      But Gatwech makes a critical mistake here, for in attempting to degrade others, he only degrades himself, by making himself appear to be a hate-ridden uneducable imbicile.

      He so desperately tries to imply that others are not involved in the negotiation process, and that lawyers, such as Michael Makuei Lueth- men who are exceedingly more qualified in negotiations, by the virtue of their professions... Be disregarded for the concessions obtained in the negotiations.

      Gatwech, you are driven not by a desire for truth, but rather by ethnocentric paranoia, which forbids you from admitting what you know to be true whilst espousing falsehoods, which you know to be not true.

      And that’s why your post goes nowhere.

      Next...

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    • 15 December 2009 03:06, by Thyinka

      Gatwech,

      What credit are you fighting for? The cause is more important than who gets the credit. It is this fight over the bone instead of the meat that let Riek left the greater cause for freedom of Sudanese people to collaborate with the enemy. Enough of your "credit" politics! It is useless and unnecessary at this stage of the struggle to introduce individualistic tendencies and power posturing.

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  • 14 December 2009 11:01, by kingdom

    Good news to hear that the SPLM had broken the deadlock that exists between its and the NCP,these commitments and hard works shows that the SPLM is a party of the people and is likely to deliver to the people all that are wanted.My sincere congratulations to the SPLM for the job well done!!! You really represent the views of the people.

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    • 14 December 2009 12:01, by ku na yien

      Gatwech, leave your daily groan favoring Machar what ever he does. Even if he is denied of credit, never tell him to stop because he had consumed lot of pleasures in South Sudan and yield to cut off the throats of many innocent individuals.

      To me his sons would be given credits if he continue well.He is now 35% good still we want him add 65 more to make 100%, that’z how system works lol.

      Note: you will miss education if you are bribed to be addicted on exposing your olden odd opinions on Machar rather than praising other leading figures.

      I never want to insult Riek but the harsh harmful hidden hyena (Lam Akol) is the worst wizard and we may raise our eyes towards carpenter, never bother to say Lam is a Dr.

      Dr. with such a sad shallow satanic knowledge? ! WOW !

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  • 14 December 2009 12:02, by okucu pa lotinokwan

    Bravo,Bravo to the two general of SPLM H.E Pagan Amum and his duty H.E Yasir Arman,including all opposition parties for their partipation for peacefully demonstration within the assembly, which yesterday lead to some remaining issues come to be agree upon.
    NCP party should not waste time,or play tactics,CPA is very different from 1972 agreement,all what is written in that document will be implemented without so many arguement.But some senior members within the NCP party are the trouble maker,but Pagan and Yasir the two general will not listen to your nonesense.May God forgive President Omer Bashi,because he is very inocent.

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  • 14 December 2009 15:20, by Piny Amec Abethool-Jesus

    To all NCP members

    NCP has to know that the 2009-2011 southerners are not the southerners of 1940s. Omaar Hosaan Beskiir (Donkey Horse Towel)and Ali Al-manafie(useless Ali) Yasir Arman is your saviour. All NCP members should worship Yasir Arman. He is the true son of Sudan (nationalist) who does not give a damn about your self serving and criminals party of NCP. Omaar and Ali al manafi, do you think it is "halal"(Quran2:222) for you to rule Sudan and "haram" for Yasir Arman to rule you?
    Yasir does not deserved to be put in prison by you , you deserve to be put in prison by Yasir Arman.

    NCP has no choice rather than to endorsed 51% yes vote and 60% turnout. Remember! Referendum is not about the southerners’ destiny, but it is the only way the northerners can exist in Sudan. Remember that SPLA has taken many northerners (Mujahideen) to heaven during your so called jihad against the marginalized people of Sudan. We are ready now to take all criminals to heaven, if you can not go by your own faith.

    Try it this time to play with CPA (Referendum) and the gate of heaven will have a very long line for Omaar and Ali Al manafie to enter because CPA is in Quaran this time and in the Bible, too. We will send Ali Al manafie to heaven soon or back to shendi because he can not go back to middle East where he came from with his evil eyes and heart. Repent and join SPLM and you will be forgiven like others.

    Long live SPLM, Nuba Mt., Blue Nile and Darfur movement
    Long live Yasir Arman and Pagan Amum

    Piny Amec Abethool-Jesus

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    • 14 December 2009 16:18, by Gatloth Gai

      Why then?

      Pagan and his master (Kiir)regreted this time.
      peace would never be achieved in the way you are aspected (voilents) as pagan tried and failed with the worst result.
      You had been in the bush for quit long time,why don`t succesful overthrow Bachar? Liar Pagan and your master Kiir,you are trying to create more war to suffered natoin.

      Now your major interest achieved,can you say thanks to those whom you said are your enemies.
      The same thing even was agreed by Dr.Riek and Hosman Taha
      just yours is to complete and come out with proudness and say you are the one who achieved that.

      Do you think you will be the only leaders in the south when we shall achieve independent in 2011?
      Yuo have no things in your code of conduct with your master Kiir in you leadership is good rather than corruption and nipotism.

      Just a matter of 6% that the NCP said to be 66% that brought in to by Dr.Riek with his counterpart Hosman from 99% to set free s.sudan for independent.

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  • 14 December 2009 18:11, by Khent

    Gatwech:

    Your documented betrayal renders ludicrous for you and your ilk, to utter words such as "traitor" or anything akin to that.

    Riek was lampooned, supplied and financed by Khartoum... His continual existence relied on sustenance from the North. Now a small child can understand the above.

    So either you are pretending to lack the intellectual capacity of even a small child....

    .... Or you are trolling by making obtuse arguments you don’t actually believe in.

    Which is it?

    Your posts are examples of projectionism:

    In psychological terms, Projectionism is where someone projects their own noxious qualities on someone else, and then despises the recipient for now apparently possessing those noxious qualities, and sees themselves totally blameless in their own eyes.

    Sorry, but collaborating with the enemy is your forte.

    Name a scholar who asserts the antecedent nature of the 1997 agreement to the CPA. Name a scholar who supports your position?

    You can’t, can you? Because your view is ridiculous, and you know it.

    The Chukudum Accord- The antecedent to the CPA:

    The Chukudum accord resembles the CPA, and is the direct antecedent to the CPA agreement, provided by the men of the Torit faction and Dr. John Garang. The Chukudum accord mentions other regions- southern Blue Nile, Nuba Mountains, ingessana hills and eastern Sudan… A political position, which can only be ascribed to Dr. John Garang.

    Furthermore, security provisions in Riek’s 1997 agreement, do not at all resemble the judicious security provisions in the CPA.

    Self-Determination was *NOT* "copied" from the 1997 agreement, considering that Self-Determination was already present within the structures of Dr. John Garang’s SPLM/A in 1992. Even as bad lying arguments go, your lie is structurally -non-sensical.

    Once again, I want a name who can affirm your position. I do not want another blob-of-spam-distractions, filled with self-aggrandizing pseudo-history.

    Your lack of citation or evidence, in the context of your desperate attempt to misconstrue, is a joke. This is another example of one of the ongoing and crippling flaws in all of your feign thesis - your inability to objectively distinguish between evidence, and wishful thinking.

    Now, please provide excerpts from this elusive discussion between Dr. John Garang and treasonous Riek, which supposedly took place.

    I don’t credit unnamed sources.

    This has been an unanswered request.... Evidently you have nothing to say, on the subject that you started? Though your penchant for incoherence requires no further demonstration at this point and obviously isn’t what you meant to do.

    Hum, what are you doing then? You really are lost aren’t you?

    I have explained this to you over and over- yet you continue this tirade of silliness. No one in here takes you seriously, except for your mentally deranged followers.

    Our conversations go nowhere because your fantasies are trapped and crushed by facts, that cause you attempt to repeat the same old lies.

    Truth Matters. Here is the truth:

    There was NEVER an interaction between Dr. John Garang and treacherous Riek, in which Dr. John Garang supposedly acquiesced to Self-Determination so as to keep his leadership position, a position which could not have been challenged by a man no longer supplied by his masters in Khartoum.

    "The impact of the long-delayed reconciliation between Riek and Garang in January 2000 was muted by the fact, that Riek had very few troops to bring with him: he had alienated many of his former subordinates."

    Dr. Douglas Johnson-

    It’s not our fault that you can’t understand politics, no matter how simple it is broken down into baby bites for you.

    Riek was politically and militarily irrelevant by 1999, and without our requisite forgiveness- your treasonous son, would be NOTHING! Dr. Douglas Johnson affirms this.

    Your treasonous son was accepted back into the movement... Such a decision was predicated on the will and terms of my camp.

    Regarding Your claims against Dr. John Garang:

    Dr. John Garang did not usurp the contribution of others and ascribe them to his kinsmen... Your post is merely an example of an embittered individual with an axe to grind with the late Dr. John Garang.

    But you keep the stuff at such a loony level, that no one takes it seriously, so I don’t think it can work, even on a petty-revenge level.

    Since you can’t even find articles or sources to support your loony claims, citing the above amounts to an admission that your claims are simply baseless, which you are pathetically desperate to justify.

    Your posts inform on the assumption that an idea, once imagined, must exist as a physical reality, simply because it is imagined.

    Readers:

    Gatwech is so consumed by his hatred of others, that he will make up any idiotic fantasy so as to attempt to degrade them.

    But Gatwech makes a critical mistake here, for in attempting to degrade others, he only degrades himself, by making himself appear to be a hate-ridden uneducable imbicile.

    He so desperately tries to imply that others are not involved in the negotiation process, and that lawyers, such as Michael Makuei Lueth- men who are exceedingly more qualified in negotiations, by the virtue of their professions... Be disregarded for the concessions obtained in the negotiations.

    Gatwech, you are driven not by a desire for truth, but rather by ethnocentric paranoia, which forbids you from admitting what you know to be true whilst espousing falsehoods, which you know to be not true.

    And that’s why your post goes nowhere.

    Next...

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  • 15 December 2009 05:08, by Controller

    Dear Ram mi Raan Gatwech

    My friend, do n’t waste your time with these idiots and stupid dinka Bor boys. For example,the 1991 incident,that changed the live of dinka bors forever,wouldn,t be happened if they were listening to the Nuer Warriors.

    Then, after Mading bor was burned down to the ground,they all regreted and said that if we surrendered to Nuer Warriors, all these damn things would n,t be happened to us.

    Mr. Gatwech remember, Dinka Bors always listen after they faces serious consequences.

    Dr. Riek Machar did not kill Dinka Bors in 1991 incident.

    Dr. John Garang De Mabior was the one who killed his own people in 1991,by refusing of giving the Power to Almighty Naath(Ram mi Raan).

    If Dr. John Garang De Mabior still today, he would have faced International Criminal Court(ICC) for killing his own people in 1991 and Gaajaack Nuer in 1988.

    Thank you all

    I am controller with the Prophert.

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  • 15 December 2009 09:05, by Akuma

    It will be vital when those laws enforces are implemented, some parliamentarians keep quite during debate which will make the referendum laws be hard to be implementation.

    Dr. Akuma, Chicago USA

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  • 17 December 2009 03:14, by Gatwech

    Well, what I know is that Dr. Riek Machar is soon becoming the President whether or not the Dinka slaves believe it.

    They will soon kiss his feet and call him the King of all Kings in South Sudan.

    Dr. Garang apologized to him and joined his self-determination. This is why he said the Northern Arab is "too deformed to be reformed" and called on southerners to not to vote for unity which would be voting for second class citizenship. That was the confession of late Garang and his apology.

    I know these orphans on the net are notorious street kids who do not understand the direction of the wind. But because of their culture, they will kiss Dr. Riek’s feet when they see him their father of the Republic of South Sudan sooooooooon.

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