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• SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 05:25, by Oduko

  We must go for unity of Sudan if Dinkas and nuers tribe don’t stop bulling other small tribe so I support NCP to make unity hard and harder to SPLM thanks

  

  • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 05:36, by Greater Equatoria

    No bro, we can’t go unity.I know you are frustrated because there is no no capable leader of South Sudan. To be honest,let me tell you,let us separate as South Sudanese first.I know there are great thinkers in Greater Equatoria who can bring the current turmoil in South Sudan to real peace,but because they have no chance to bring peace to South Sudan,the situation is as you can see in South Sudan,and in Sudan in large.Let us separate first,then we can vote for the real people who can take South Sudan as an independent nation.

    

    • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 05:51, by Gatwech

      It is clear that the SPLM is pursuing a crisis as a scapegoat to boycott the elections. There are clear signals that some party members do not want to reach any agreement with the NCP on the outstanding issues that would lead to smooth process for the elections. They are looking for a scapegoat. And that scapegoat is to keep the two parties far a part on issues of referendum, census results and so on. This will be the only thing that will justify the boycott of the elections by the SPLM.

      The party knows that it is going to fail the elections in both Khartoum and Juba and so why waste time conducting elections. You can see that they failed to educate and mobilize for voter registration. They have recently reacted to tell citizens to register after being surprised by low voter turnout. There is no party nominations yet for who to contest in Khartoum and in Juba. Interesting!

      You are looking for a crisis, you will soon see it coming! There is no negotiating partner that can just say no concessions any more. Even CPA was reached based on concessions. What if the NCP picks the SPLM statement by reciprocating that it is not going to make any concessions also. Will this not lead to a permanent stalemate? And in whose favor or advantage as the time is running out? Pathetic!

      

      • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 06:15, by murlescrewed

        Riek’s houseboy,

        What scapegoat are you talking about? Think real hard before writing down anything because it will make you more credible. The SPLM is not going to be dictated terms by the NCP. That is why whatever Riek negotiated must be what is in the interest of South as a whole; not a particular individual.

        What is blinding you is that you are keen on Riek claiming credit for the results of negotiation. You must be reminded that Riek is working for the SPLM. He is not isolated in this case and must consult with the party leadership before making foolish concessions. That is how he negotiated a weak KPA in 1997 and we all know how that turned out. This time, he is on a short leash.

        Riek is not going to be credited with winning concessions from north. It is the SPLM that gives Riek directions and agenda for negotiations. If he substitute in his lofty ideas, he is going to be put in his place and reprimanded accordingly. That is how things are done in SPLM.

        

        • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 07:30, by Gatwech

          KPA of 1997 brought you the self-determination which your ancestors had never dreamt of. It was just copied and pasted to the CPA. How could it be a weak agreement if it succeeded to negotiate out self-determination and referendum to independence. Leave the champion to champion what he know best. SPLM has no other think-tanks but a bunch drunk cowards who want to scapegoat issues. You may call me Riek’s houseboy as you wish. The fact is that he doesn’t even know me and seen me. I saw him many times among the crowd. However, facts need to be told about what is going on.

          

          • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 09:01, by murlescrewed

            KPA of 1997 was nothing short of spectacular failure. A case in point, Riek returned to the SPLM in 2002 with his tail between his legs. Why? Because he negotiated himself into a corner. He was promised self-determination but what did the NCP do behind his back and into his face? They started tearing it down. Riek had no forces in the field. He was being undermined by none other than Paulino Matip. Riek had no choice but to return to Garang begging for mercy. The idea of self-determination did not come from Riek. Since Torit uprising, it has been one of the goals for South.

            So don’t try to rewrite history and give credit to a guy who stabbed his people in the back. Riek in the eyes of Southerners is the traitor who left his people and married the enemy. When she was treated badly, she returned in disgrace.

            If Riek is allowed to negotiate the referendum law without close eyes to track his every move, we might end up in the same position as in 1997. He does not read materials to find all angles and clause. He just look at the overall face of the issues and not what is really behind it. That is why the SPLM leadership is not going to take his words.

            You may deny it but you are nothing more than a Riek’s houseboy. I know the likes.

            

            • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 12:59, by Khent

              Our war has left the country with three armies- an army of cripples, an army of mourners, and an army of usurpers. Gatwech and his ilk resides within the army of usurpers.

              The usurpers (Gatwech) take credit for a peace and its tenants, that they had nothing to with.

              They steal the legacies of others, because they are afraid of their own shadow, afraid that if they used a little common sense, they would have to admit that their inglorious split and the subsequent collaboration with the enemy was wrong and unjustifiable!

              

              • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 19:34, by Gatwech

                Murlescrewed (Khent),

                Yes, if the idea of self-determination started in 1955 in Torit then how did it escape the mind of John Garang who could not even speak or write Arabic?

                I have not said Riek Machar invented self-determination. What I have been saying is that he ’championed’ it. You better understand the difference. You said Riek has no army and at the same time cry that he stabbed you in the back. With which army did he stab you. You are self-defeated contradictory visionless disciples.

                

                • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 21:35, by murlescrewed

                  Riek’s houseboy,

                  I am not Khent. We are two different people.

                  First of all, the vision of self-determination was not for Dr. Garang or Riek to ’champion’. It is entirely up to Southerners to decide for themselves whether they want to have a say in determination their own future.

                  Self-determination has its roots in the way the British and Egypt colluded with northerners to have South declared part of Sudan without duly consultation from Southerners. Riek did not ’champion’ anything. He was an opportunist who thought that speaking in terms of self-determination is the only way to political lifeline. It failed and we all know that.

                  From Juba roundtable to CPA, self-determination was always what South wanted. It did not ask to be part of the north and their views were not taken into account.

                  I did not contradict myself when talking about Riek’s stabbing the Movement and South in the back. He did so in 1991 when South was at the cusp of achieving a noble victory. Riek recruited untrained tribal militia to attack Bor in hope that it will break SPLM. The SPLM had to suspend its planned assault on Juba to save civilians who faced certain genocide. Riek then went to Khartoum but the NIF intelligence recruited Matip who undermined Riek to the point that Riek lost most of his undisciplined tribal militia to various warlords. These Nuer warlords were bribed and evicted their own people from their land in order to make way for oil exploitation. In addition, Nuer land is now an environmental catastrophe. That is the legacy of Riek.

                  Defend it for all you care but history never lies. Riek’s achievements are there for all to see.

                  

                • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 15 November 2009 08:56, by Khent

                  Gatwech:

                  DO NOT confuse Murlescrewed with myself.

                  You wish to make an excuse for being unfathomably stupid and unable to understand anything. Comedy ensues whenever you post.

                  I did not contradict myself. I’ll repeat just for you, again. He betrayed the people in 1991, but by 1999 he NO longer had access to governmental arms, ammunition and supplies.

                  By the year 2000, Riek NO longer had access to government ammunition and supplies... He was now without a movement.

                  Discussants: Notice the frustrated babbling buffoon again attempts to distort my posts.

                  He predictably repeats his own stupid distortions which were already addresed. Nor does he address the rebuttal; instead he just repeats the distortions - like an intransigent child who refuses to accept any truth he doesn’t like.

                  The fact is, you have failed to refute, distort or evade, and that is why you are so angry.

                  You can’t debate. You can’t read.

                  You’re only good for laughs.

                  

                • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 15 November 2009 09:18, by Khent

                  Gatwech:

                  Who told you that Dr. John Garang did not speak Arabic?

                  Your hate-filled tribesmen?

                  One has to think in order to know, and therefore transcend mere confusion.

                  Parroting is not thinking, which is why it’s predictable that the most unthinking parrots end up being confused in spite of all their verbatim channelling of prior belief.

                  You’re just spinning in circles after yourself, as neurotic retards and diseased animals are prone to.

                  No wonder, you’re red faced, with rage. Admit defeat. You have no point and are just babbling.

                  The Nuer do NOT constitute 55% of the SPLA.

                  I don’t’ blame you for ’trying’ to concoct such a statistic.

                  But you’re not going to be permitted to do so.

                  You use statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... For support rather than illumination.

                  Do you recall (in 1999) when 80, 000 Nuer civilians were forcibaly removed from the oil-fields by Paulino Matip Nhial, in which they fled to Bahr el Ghazel? Do you remember that? Do you remember the humanity the people of Bahr el Ghazel displayed?

                  

            • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 13:32, by Khent

              Riek and Nasir were a complete FAILURE:

              The disintegration of Nasir faction was precipitated by the desertions of its representatives and men, en masse.

              All cited serious shortcomings in the "movement" in their reasons for leaving: the concentration of power in the hands of Riek, the lack of democratic institutions, and the rising level of violence against civilians.

              It had been responsible for human rights abuses and had allowed the perpetrators of abuses to go unpunished. It had NOT introduced greater democracy in its own institutions, and had made little to NO progress in the creation of administrative institutions, beyond the appointment of a short-lived ’cabinet of ministers’.

              Before the Panyagore meeting, Joseph Oduho was embarrassing Nasir by his own objections to their authoritarian behaviour.

              In the end, a movement which proclaimed as its goals the achievement of greater democracy and the respect of human rights.. it failed miserably.

              The government to whom Riek and Paulino Matip served, fostered a devastating power play between the two men, resulting in the intensifying of insecurity in what was supposed to be a government-held area- this powerplay served the government’s purpose in neutralising the Southern guerrilla factions best positioned to interfere with the exploitation of the Bentiu oilfields.

              Matip had maintained a somewhat autonomous military and economic base in his Bul Nuer territory near Bentiu. As a Major-General in the Sudanese army, he had direct access to military supplies.

              In reality, Riek had more need of Matip than Paulino of Riek, and Riek’s subsequent attempt to put his own man in the governorship of Western Upper Nile, resulted with Paulino’s troops taking and sacking Ler, Riek’s headquarters.

              Riek’s protests at the government’s support for Paulino had no lasting effect. The intensification of oil exploitation in the Bentiu oilfields in 1998-9 brought with it, into the region, an increase of the SAF and other armed personnel, contributing directly to another outbreak of fighting between a profusion of Nuer factions beginning in April 1999.

              Faced with the demonstration of his powerlessness, Riek complained that while the 1997 peace agreement placed the oilfields under his control, the government’s support of Matip undermined his position and the entire ’agreement’.

              By the end of 1995 Riek was the leader of a virtual movement, lacking any real substance or coherence. Publicly he still hoped for external backing which could provide his ‘movement’ with some credibility, and early in 1996 he travelled to Ethiopia in an attempt to join the NDA.

              His previous military collaboration with the government undermined his claim to head an anti-Khartoum, pro-independence Southern movement.

              Riek failed in his bid and was ordered out of the country by the Ethiopian government.

              By the year 2000, Riek NO longer had access to government ammunition and supplies.. he was now without a movement. He tried to regain the initiative by leaving Khartoum in December 1999 and resigning from the government two months later.

              But lacking any real support in his home area he moved to Nairobi, where he tried to maintain the appearance of a leader of a viable political movement.

              The impact of the long-delayed reconciliation between Riek and Garang in January 2000 was muted by the fact, that Riek had very few troops to bring with him: he had alienated many of his former subordinates.

              

            • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 16 November 2009 22:34, by wech

              Mr.tribalist, I think you don’t know what you are talking about. South sudan is not for Garang or Riek. Many of ours people fought before we heard about Garang or Riek. In fact, millions of ours people have lost their lives for the sake of Southern sudanese not for Garang or Riek. We just neeed our own states instead of sudan. To me, it doesn’t matter who brings the independence to our beloved south. It is all responsibilities of as the citizen of that state to bring peace.even a child can signs it and we could go ahead with it. we don’t neeed certain people to sign it for us. If you think only certain people will bring independent in south, you are wasting your time. It will happen when we all put our efforts on it and let alone the seggregation in all tribes.

              

          • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 13:22, by Khent

            Gatwech:

            I repeat for the child-mind: I repeat my answers because you keep repeating the same fallacies.

            Riek DID NOT bring Self-Determination. It’s simple: Do not constantly espouse the claim, if you cannot provide the evidence.

            Ad nauseum fallacy -> repeating claims as if repetition were proof. You are simply attempting to foster a lie, by repetition.

            Let’s examine what your nonsense avails you.

            The enemy benefited substantially from the split inside the movement. The government encouraged the split by sending false signals that it might let the South secede.

            Once the split occurred, the government developed a four-prong strategy that encouraged Riek to fight the SPLA. It backed away from offering independence, mounted large scale offences against our forces and used the disintegration to facilitate its repression of the marginalized people of Sudan.

            Independence was brought NO closer and inter-factional fighting increased, with devastating consequences for the civilian population.

            It’s about time YOU started putting out the burden of proof, but then again that would be expecting too much of you, wouldn’t it?

            Since you obviously don’t understand burden of proof, allow me to explain.

            If the model in question were to read as follows: "Riek brought Dr. John Garang".

            Then you are obliged to provide evidence regarding this assertion. If you cannot provide evidence, then you have no basis for asserting it. Those who do not assert it are under no obligation of proof or explanation whatsoever.

            The burden is on you to provide evidence.

            If you cannot meet this requirement, then all you’ve provided us with, is a view that you want to believe in, but do not actually understand and so cannot explain.

            That’s a fair assessment, no?

            You should THANK Dr. John Garang for permitting Riek Machar’s return.

            Where would Riek Machar be, had it not been for Dr. John Garang’s forgiveness and grace? Nowhere! And you all know it.

            

            • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 19:07, by murlescrewed

              NICE job, Khent. Gatwech is a revisionist trying to forge history in favor of Riek. Even an uneducated southern in the village knows the real people who delivered for their country. Riek does not make even top 1000.

              

          • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 16 November 2009 08:31, by Weraguer

            Shut up! Dog you do know what you are talking about! Which comes first between 1997 and 1994? In 1994, Declaration of Principles (DOP) By IGAD Peace Initiative. SPLM/A,

            Stipulated Two Mains Issues 1 Separation of Religion from the State 2 Self-Determination for South Sudan Come on Dog! It is your SSIM who copied the SPLM/A Postion on South Sudan.Traitor, if your are doubting, then go and research it because you do not know it or even hear it from your Dad and uncles because they were in Nasir and then to Khartoum in 1997 Prof of SPlM/A History

            

        • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 08:14, by Malakal

          Murlescrew

          You are right! There is no such as thing as Riak’s vision or strategy without that of the SPLM. Whatever he doing is a duplicate of what any SPLM member is obligated to do nonetheless. Gatwech is a delusional agent of Riak bond to him by the false prophacies of Ngundeeg.

          

        • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 10:49, by ngor martyn jok

          Dear Murlescrewed,

          many thanks for putting The real ’Riek’s houseboy’(gatwech)in to senses.Just got interest in your way of putting ideas into Gatwech in order to swallow all realities from u;you ’re a great guy!!

          

          • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 19:40, by Gatwech

            Khent and the likes,

            You are self-defeated contradictory visionless disciples of the dark angel.

            You will always try to dodge the facts I have been presenting to you comment after comment. But you have surely failed and proven illogic. How come you don’t want to visit the ‘southsudannation.com’ website? Go and open the archive page, you will read the document entitled: “ CONFIDENTIAL REPORT ON THE Joint meeting of the SPLM/A leadership Council, General Military Command Council, Heads of Commissions, SPLM Secretariats, SPLM County Secretaries, Civil Society & Community Leaders.” This was produced in Rumbek in November 2004.

            You will see how Garang was exposed by his own officials. Lack of organization, lack of direction, lack of army, indiscipline in the SPLA, failure of chain of command, corruption, nepotism, etc, etc. were all the characteristics that befell his movement.

            All the things that led to the split of 1991 were echoed by the participants in the meeting. The leaders from all those institutions spoke out at last.

            Here below are some of the statements by some of the leaders. Read them and go to the full document to get more statements. You will read the confession by Gen. James Hoth Mai that there were no forces for SPLA. Malik Agar was even worried that the neutral body that will verify SPLA forces would soon find out after the peace agreement that there was no army.

            Khent this is why in the SPLA forces today, 55% of the whole forces are from Nuer. Most of them from Paulino Matip’s forces in addition to those that rejoined with Dr. Riek Machar and those that were with Cdr. James Hoth Mai, Cdr. John Kong Nyuon, etc. All have now made up the 55%.

            Please enjoy reading how Garang was exposed in that meeting/court case that fitted John Garang against Salva Kiir, which was fortunately mediated by Dr. Riek Machar. Read it also from the full text on ’southsudannation.com’.

            ........................................ CDr. Malik Agar: The current issue of the differences between the Chairman and his deputy is surprising in that I was aware of this even ten years ago. Whenever it is about to be addressed, each of them says there is ‘no problem’. The big problem is trust among yourselves. This needs to be rebuilt and you will be the ones to arrive at sound solutions to the existing problems.

            Comrade Chairman, as we enter the new era, we shall be competing with other parties. Let us start with the effective establishment of our structures and draw up our programmes. We need a system. I have worked as a Governor for ten (10) years; yet, I could have committed many mistakes during that time. Has the Chairman any day called me to tell me that I have made a mistake? There is no system here.

            The issue of reorganizing the army is a burning issue as most of the soldiers are now in an unorganized form and this will work against us. As monitors will verify, we don’t have the army. The distribution of powers is the vital issue to avoid future misunderstandings.

            .................................................. Cdr. James Wani Igga: I congratulate the Chairman for calling this important meeting. I also congratulate Cdr. Salva for having attended this meeting. This paves a way for a solution to our problems. I thank both of you for your patriotic stand since the beginning of the struggle – both of you have collectively worked to protect this movement from upheavals. I consider you as the central pillars of this Movement. Let me come to the main topics, which are the SPLM/A’s major problems. Solving a problem is like bringing pus out from somebody’s gull. Problem No. 1, we are not working as a team, which results in disgruntlement.

            No. 2, we have the structures formed in the 1994 Convention which were only the NEC & NLC, but by 1998, people became fed up of those structures. I appeal that we keep these structures but make necessary changes. I would like to underline something connected with structure. In 1998 we came out with a constitution named the SPLM constitution. This was not passed by the NLC because they were expecting a state constitution. But we had agreed to use that constitution, and there are structures there. In one of the L.C. meetings we had revised the constitution and even the manifesto. Up to now, we had passed four (4) documents. The SPLM constitution. The SPLM manifesto. The 3rd document is the SPLM policy on dialogue and it concerns how we go about South-South dialogue. Our main constraint in starting South-South dialogue is the lack of money. Documents No. 4, is the SPLM policy on the transformation of Sudan. All these documents are there ready. Comrade Chairman, our constraint i! n the political Affairs Commission is lack of facilities, but we have really tried our best. As for the army reorganization, if we become surprised by the signing of the peace deal, I think it will be difficult to regroup our army simply because we don’t have resources. Once peace is signed, there is going to be the establishment of standard national structures. Structures are our No. 2 problems, including the official management of office institutions.

            Cdr. Wani listed other problems: No. 3: The existence of a Kitchen Cabinet is deplorable and creates doubts and mistrust.

            No. 4: The geographical imbalances found in the movement. If this is not addressed, we will never be in harmony. No. 5: Poor chain of command. No. 6: Spread of rumours.

            Let’s come to the question of rumours. When rumours were developing I was in Nairobi and I went to Kampala. When I reached Kaya, I was being asked what had happened. I was then told that you are coming from Nairobi and that you met and decided to replace Cdr. Salva with Cdr. Nhial. I told that that this is just rumours and I believe that Cdr. Salva will not believe this. He will immediately throw it out the window.

            Problem 7: Lack of implementation of resolutions and the lack of a follow up body. Our resolutions always die on the paper. Problem 8: Corruption which remains rampant in the Movement. Corruption must be fought for example, some years back the Chairman in a meeting informed us that Cdr. Deng Alor brought some money from Nigeria, but how that money was spent had never been explained to us again. I ask the question where is the transparency and accountability we talked about?

            Problem 9: Lack of cooperation, accompanied by sabotage. Some work for the downfall of others without any accountability.

            Problem 10: Neglect of the army and its welfare. Problem 11: Absence of job description, which cause confusion. Problem 12: Nepotism. It should be fought.

            There are two examples to illustrate the issue of nepotism. One is the removal of Aleu Anyeny from his position and his replacement by the Chairman with an officer from his home village. Another is the appointment of Dr. Lual Deng as an advisor to the Chairman. We all heard this in a meeting in which the Chairman announced Lual’s appointment without any official procedures followed. When I talk about regional imbalances, all I need to say is that no Equatorian was even allowed to be a signatory of the six protocols. We are making history and this history should involve all the people of New Sudan. The protocols are only signed by individuals from Bahr el Ghazal, Upper Nile, Nuba Mountains and Funj!

            Problem 13: Neglect in the chain of command, which has led to indiscipline.

            ............................................... Cdr. James Hoth Mai: I greet the gathering. When the movement started you were seven (7) and now you are only two (2) – five died having problems with you (Dr. John). Why do you have problems with your colleagues? The leadership has disabled the movement, so why keep it? Why is there a GMC, because it has never met until now? There is no SPLA ready to fight, and for me there is no army to order. If I am ordered to arrest Cdr. Salva, I do not have an army to arrest anyone. Even the Chief of Staff cannot order me to do anything because there is no army. There is no chance to meet the C-in-C – it will take long time to meet him. This is not good, therefore a committee must be formed now to sort everything out.

            ............................................... Cdr. Oboto Mamur: Greetings. The Chairman always had problems with his colleagues. Now you are two (2) and you are turning against yourselves. Chairman you have been lying throughout since 1983. A Chairman should trust his deputies because there is a big problem here. I ask the Chairman whether he has mandated us to judge him? And if so, we will pass our judgment on him now. We don’t want to talk for the sake of talking. There must be a committee to follow up on all the resolutions agreed on here. And I add, the convention will not solve our problems.

            ........................................... Cdr. John Luke. I am happy that the rumours have been resolved. The rumours of the dismissal of Cdr. Salva has been on air for a long time. There were other rumours that Cdr. James Wani was going to be replaced by Cdr. Pagan. Some responsible people in the Leadership Council have been quoted as saying that Cdr. Salva, with support from Bona Malual, will make a coup. There has been a problem among members of Leadership Council who have been complaining a lot. There is no system, especially in the office of the Chairman, which is treated as a private entity. The office of a leader must be well organized and staffed properly to do its work.

            On the responsibility of leadership, Cdr. Dr. John should not be blamed alone because there are others. The dissolution of the Leadership Council will not mean that a normal system will be established. No proper changes will take place, even if the Leadership Council is dissolved. If Dr. Garang dissolves the Leadership Council, he will appoint the same people in the L.C. There is no need to make changes now until peace is signed. The formation process f or the government needs wide consultation; people should wait for a month until peace is signed.

            The Chairman is being accused for not implementing decisions. In the army, if you need structures, I see Cdr. Salva as a political figure; so a pure army officer should be appointed as Chief of Staff and Cdr. Salva should be given a Commission. This way, the army should be run by an army officer who is not a politician.

            Why is the leadership avoiding South-South dialogue? The Chairman refused to accept dialogue, but claims it after others implemented it. It was Cdr. Salva who supported the Wunlit Peace Conference – but the Chairman was against it. At the recent conference in Nairobi organized by the Kenyan Minister for Planning, the SPLM/A failed to attend because the Chairman had refused to let the SPLM attend. Cdr. James Wani is weak and the Chairman uses him to kill things related to South-South dialogue. The NLC is dead and I suggest that an emergency convention be organized immediately.

            Cdr. Mark Nyipouch: Cdr. Marc stated that the rumour that madam Nyandeng was arrested with 3.5 is libel and defamation. He continued to cite the case of General Lagu during the Regional Government. On the issue of Governor Deng Alor, Cdr. Marc said that Cdr. Deng collects money from abroad, banks it with the Chairman’s or his (Deng’s)bank account, and that is why Deng Alor was taken away from the region – just to do that. Something Nhial has failed to do but what Deng is able to do. Deng should either be a Governor of Bahr el Ghazal or be replaced.

            ........................................... Mr. Arthur Akuien Chol: I am being called the Finance Secretary but without any finance. I want to point out that the rumours have been destructive and that the leadership style encourages such rumours. I want to say that the Chairman does not delegate powers to his deputies. The Chairman is responsible for creating this crisis in the movement.

            On the structures, there are structures. But the Chairman after appointing someone to a position does not work with him, but he will appoint someone else to do the work, which is wrong. The Chairman creates all these problems within the system, and this is why he is being blamed. I also point out when a senior person tries to discipline a junior, the Chairman always fails to solve the problem among the staff and instead interferes. The leadership style of the Chairman’s work is bad and cannot be corrected. The Chairman has not been doing well in his job and he may be forced to leave his office before six years.

            ................................................ Dr. Justin Yac Arop: The Chairman is good for external contacts but within his own institutions he is not good. The Chairman is good in talking but poor in doing things. The Cdrs. Condemned him the day before and I quote Cdr. Salva who said that “Dr. John does not forget and does not forgive”, and who ever quarreled him ended up dead.

            Many people know the Chairman’s abilities and weaknesses for the last twenty-two years. The Chairman can impress people when he talks, but lacks action. The commanders the day before gave the Chairman grade F because he failed to adequately answer the issues raised by Cdr. Salva. The Chairman should not think that he is always right; rather he must admit his mistakes. The Chairman must work with a team and not be a leader of the NLC and Chairman of SPLM. Leadership must be collective.

            The officers the other day faced the Chairman with hard facts, but we have not been telling the Chairman the truth. We are also to blame. The Chairman should respond to issues of structures to avoid the recurrence of this problem. The Chairman can listen and write on issues, but he always discards them. The Chairman has been everything ever since the movement started. I call upon the Chairman to work with people and not alone. The Chairman should know that he has been wrong because some of the members have not been telling him the truth. Some leaders should be blamed for not doing their part, for many have not been doing things properly. I repeat what Cdr. Salva said that Dr. John does not forget and forgive. So I want to say that those without guns are vulnerable. The Cdrs. Are secure because they have guns to protect themselves from the Chairman, but I ask, who is going to protect those of us without guns?

            I call upon Dr. John to listen to all the demands and that he (the Chairman) should make changes and suitable structures. I also suggest that the Rumbek meeting should come up with resolutions that we support the finalization of the peace agreement now, all should be committed to the peace process.

            On the issue of dissolution of the leadership council, there is no difference so no changes are necessary. I urge the Chairman to work closely with his aids. We have sat here because we are part and parcel of the executive and leadership as well. Mr. Chairman, I urge you to treat us equally and remove doubts that there are people you prefer.

            .............................................. KHENT, HAVING READ MY FACTS ABOVE, I WILL BE WAITING FOR YOUR QUOTES SUPPORTING YOUR ALLEGATIONS AGAINST DR. RIEK MACHAR.

            

            • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 21:47, by murlescrewed

              Riek’s houseboy,

              There is nothing new about the issues you copied and pasted on this website from tribal website. First of all, SPLA is not comprised of 55% of Nuer. That is an illusion that you Nuer would like to believe. Nuer don’t make up 30% of South’s population let a lone making up 55% of SPLA forces. You have not provided any statistics to back up your ludicrous claim.

              The meeting to mend relationship between Dr. Garang and Salva was a testimony to Dr. Garang’s democratic ideals. He had a lot of opportunities to dismiss Salva but he did not. Another great example is how Dr. Garang welcomed Riek knowing full well that this the guy that killed many Southerners for his own delusional political ploy.

              But this whole debate is not about Dr. Garang. It is about an opportunist like Riek and his minions who are trying to rewrite history and put South’s future in jeopardy. If given the opportunity to be the president of Sudan as a whole, Riek would simply sell South’s self-determination to get just a nominal post. We know how he thinks and that is why the SPLM leadership is not going to standby while he negotiated South into a corner from which it cannot extricate itself. That is what this debate is all about. Anything more is just a detour from the reality.

              

              • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 15 November 2009 19:35, by thieleling

                Dear Gatwech,

                Please do not waste your quality time on baby-sitting murlescrewed who is mentally deranged and a drunkard. Murlescrewed is Salva Kiir’s lap-dog and seriously psychologically unbalanced in his reasonings. He only thinks in Dinka’s local context and that how he understands and celebrates Kiir’s failed corrupted & undemocratic leadership.

                Therefore, Murlescrewed and likes would not understand the basis for your sound and logical analysis. You are way too genius to waste your time on these naive losers and true traitors. They do not have disciplinary perspectives to evaluate things in historical ,cultural and political contexts. The Self-Determination was signed into sudan’s national constitution in 1998. Dr. Riek championed it. It was the first time ever written into Sudanese constitution. Jellaba violated, 1972 Addis Ababa Agreement, the 1997 KPA, and now violating CPA. The truth is Referendum would not happened as scheduled. It will take an intelligent, creative leadership to gain south sudanese independent. And that would happen ONLY through "Blood" and "Iron" under wise leadership of a south sudanese that is not Salva Kiir.

                Murlescrewed and likes could not present their ideas effectively because they learnt group-think or herds mentality. They never learn independently. Look at how they ganged up against you!! No one even tried to have critical thinking and evaluate issues indpendently. Gatwech, I do like your great independent thinking and intelligence.

                I do know this website is an open source intelligence. But if you do a quick analysis of south sudan geography(terrain, political & ethnic), you quickly would see what I mean. Even if the Nuers are only 10% of the army, they would triumph over the cowards. I NEVER worry about the Nuers in any eventuality, period. The Nuers are the Israeli of south sudan. Please don’t waste your intelligence on the losers and liars like Murlescrewed & his likes. It is just not worth it!!

                

            • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 15 November 2009 09:09, by Khent

              Gatwech:

              The Nuer have NOT eclipsed the original component of the SPLA! STOP distorting.

              You use statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... For support rather than illumination.

              The assumption that an idea, once imagined, must exist as a physical reality, simply because it is imagined, is also form of ad nauseum fallacy.

              My line of questioning and dissecting has more to do with the work and mental effort required to read and understand a post, as opposed to flame-bait noisemaking on the internet, or making silly percentages to promote a tribal fantasy.

              Nasir was NOT an exemplary ’movement’!

              The disintegration of Nasir faction was precipitated by the desertions of its representatives and men, en masse.

              All cited serious shortcomings in the "movement" in their reasons for leaving: the concentration of power in the hands of Riek, the lack of democratic institutions, and the rising level of violence against civilians.

              It had been responsible for human rights abuses and had allowed the perpetrators of abuses to go unpunished. It had NOT introduced greater democracy in its own institutions, and had made little to NO progress in the creation of administrative institutions, beyond the appointment of a short-lived ’cabinet of ministers’.

              Before the Panyagore meeting, Joseph Oduho was embarrassing Nasir by his own objections to their authoritarian behaviour.

              In the end, a movement which proclaimed as its goals the achievement of greater democracy and the respect of human rights.. it failed miserably.

              Whatever the cosmetic or purely theoretical aspects of SPLA administration, it can be contrasted with Nasir, where there were NO similar civil administrative structures, and where much of what was announced in the form of internal organization existed on paper only.

              

      • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 06:21, by Dinka Boy

        Dear Gatwech,

        People like you will not understand the path pursue by SPLM. SPLM is not going to fail for self- independent. We committed SPLM will do our effort like what we have been doing without coward betayers. Fail or win will not prevent our independent. We are eagger to fight for freedom by negotaition and militray my friend. There is no retuen since we loss all the generation that is similar to those alive in the South. Others think that the problem of Jallaba is simple,but let me tell you that it is not dear.

        

        • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 06:27, by Mr Famous Big_Logic_Boy

          That is not consider as office, because it is all about luxurious life. Where around the World can you see an office full of expensive stuff. Absolutely 5 star room.

          

          • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 10:29, by Arochthon

            Logic,

            you must be a thief, how do you know the stuff contain in some one house.

            

      • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 07:46, by Riangnom

        I don’t get silly Gatwech what he is talking about, no body can listen to NYAGAT Riek Machar in Khartoum, do you want to give him credit go a head because you are his house boy.

        The cost of SPLM/A struggle will not be end up like what you thinking mr. weakness heart. SPLA/M captured quarter of South Sudan towns, in absented of nuer, so this is not a big deal because there are people in South Sudan for just a numbers, but there really patrioticim who committed to face the course regardless of out come.

        What is the typical point that Riek Machar told the SPLM during his briefing ? He spent 12 days in Khartoum doing what ? Just eat and sleep ? Because he is mr. foodies look at his stomach the way it swellen.

        No thanks

        Southerner patriotic.

        

        • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 08:02, by Dinka Boy

          Thanks mr Riangnom, You make me laugh man. "Swollen Stomach".

          

      • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 15 November 2009 11:21, by braveheart

        Gatwec is right. SPLM is seeking a scapegoat to create a political stalemate but he fears pointing them by name. lol

        

        • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 16 November 2009 09:03, by Weraguer

          Dear Braveheart but I doubt,If SPLM is seeking a scapegoat to avoid election, then it is Dr Riek who is doing it.Because he is the one who has been heading the SPlM delegation to Khartoum ever since. Prof of SPLM/A History

          

    • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 07:27, by mayor

      Hi there,

      This agrement is not going to be ended like cyclone strom that were call the 1997 Khartoum agrement, therefore SPLM/A is not pursuing crisis as you think but, must follow all stipulation that came on CPA agreemnt.

      We are not easy going movement but we are liberation fighter people, we hav gun in our hands and politicians,you should pick up some key word from article report, Reick Machar himself has declined to give more minutia to South Sudan people but SPLM/A absolutelyy behind that declining.

      Who ever his brain comeback at 12:00 AM should wait for his brain to come back while people who knows what they doing must be left alone.SPLM became killer Lion in 2005 faces terrorist NNP lion, Dr Garang ideologies has already messed thier policies up when he mobilezed Darfurens people to think about them self if you don’t know that pathetic.the Islamic leader Dr Hussen Abdalah Turabi knows that very well when his boys within (NIF-NCP) trun on him over the power struggle in 1999.

      Message to SPLM/A pro,

      unfortunately dear borthers SPLM/A pro, I will not be paricipate from tomorrow becuase the Organistion I work for has asked me travel to Panyedo near Nassir I think, which is a place I have never been befor, I may stay there fore three weeks or more until my mission is finish I don’t know if there is network there or no so I can catch up with you. I a ppeal you anyone who post lies agnist SPLM/A members pleas do not allowed that to happen lat them lie and tell the truth.

      thank you and see you back then.

      

  • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 05:42, by Nile

    unity of Sudan is a nightmare and a bad dream if you are still dreaming about it.

    

  • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 05:46, by southerns

    Oduko...please be positive, alot of thing need tobe done but we have to go according to what we have, Danka will rule today, and another tribe from great south will take over.

    

  • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 06:03, by Angelo Ajiech Manyuat

    Do it if you can. I vote for Separation anyway.

    

  • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 06:06, by Atem Angok

    Remember, you, son of bitch, we fought for this and we WILL still continue to fight for our FREEDOM and FREEDOM of others who do not like slavery until we achieve it. therefore, it was not by default that made arabs to accept this agreement. and as you stated it that Dinka and Nuer sidelined other minorities it means that those of your kinds are the one causing all these. however even if you and your fuckin tribes go the mentioned tribes can still struggle for their freedom since they(Dinka and Nuer) do not like slavery like you and your tribes who like to be treated like slaves in their own land. THE DOOR IS WIDELY OPENED FOR TRAITORS/NYAGAT GO AND SPLM/SPLA WILL DELIVER THE SOUTH FROM THE AGONY IT IS IN NOW.

    

    • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 06:09, by Atem Angok

      That message of mine is to NYAGAT Bol from Lam’s Party and Tribe.

      

  • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 08:16, by Kamula

    OH,OH,OH!!!! PLEASE ODUKO, DON’T MESSUP, YOU KNOW WHY I SAID SO? YOU ARE ADMIRING TO JOIN YOUR ENEMY? IF I WERE YOU, I COULD SAY LET US GET SEPARATED FIRST THEN WE COME DOWN AND SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS.

    YAKI AM IT’S LIKE YOU WITH YOUR FAMILY, I DON’T KNOW WHETHER YOU GET MARRIED REAL, IF YOU HAVE THAT INTEREST OF GOING TO JALABA, THEN GO YOUR WAY, THAN TO WRITE YOUR NONSEN HERE.

    AND LET ME ADVICE YOU THAT, UNITY IN SUDAN WILL TAKE PEOPLE BACK TO WAR I TELL YOU, UNLESS IF YOU DIDN’T BEING IN THE BUSH, REMEMBER IF WE ARE BROTHERS, WHY DID NCP FIGHT US WITH PLANS? NOW THIER SEE THAT WE ARE STRONG AND STRONG, THIER AGREE TO SIGN THE CPA, DON’T LET SOMEONE STEP ON YOUR BACK.

    UNITY IS BAD 100% UNITY YOU ARE BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I DON’T AGREE WITH YOUR UNITY

    

  • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 10:21, by Wiyual Wech Puk D. Payol.

    who are the small tribes you means,oduku? as it is time now to have bread and tea you claim for small tribes,and when it was still firing you kept silence and leave the burning to the tribes you mentioned.please vote yourself for unity and we will vote for separation.

    

  • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 10:27, by Arochthon

    Oduk

    make it hard if you can manage, your uncle has been trying his but he failed to reached what is expected to be the total destruction of our independence and if you want to try too then you are at liberty to do your best. It is quite clear that the recent attack in Jonglei State was engineered by no one else other than you and your NCP, if you want to run away because of bulling, you will be bulled more than that by Arabs.

    

  • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 11:15, by cholabdi

    Hey Oduk, please going for unity will not affect any tribes whether Dinkas or Shilluk and so forth, Arab will still sex your mother to death than compare to your fellow Dinkas will not do this thing to your mother and the rests of your community, what have you achieves in this long time you have been with Jallaba?, i hope you achieves nothing, please try to thing twice before you make poor decision, your damage brain will just rain you into enemies mouth, please let assure you that Southern Sudan is not belong to Dinka, Nuer, or Door

    

  • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 15 November 2009 20:14, by Amokdu

    Minority will not decide South Sudan fate. Nuers and Dinka have fought the war of struggle and will still go to fight again wether you like it or not,so shut yout ass up .

    

  • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 16 November 2009 17:25, by nyok k daw majok

    HI you are support unity for sudan and NCP but the Nuer and Dinka will win this referendum . and new sudan will be new born state in Africa in 2011. allready we don with unity in this country because we been in unity about 53 years we was born in war and we grow in we went to to school in war unity ie over . not today someone want to be with Arab go to North and late the people of the south do his own work . our people unitl now suffrring in south with disease and we have big oil in Upper Nile maybe in bahr el ghazal and in Equatoria too . God bles new sudan

    

• SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 06:09, by Dinka Boy

  SPLM always support peaceful and welcoming politics. Some people are far away from how they should pursue politics. The good way is the peacful approach exchange. Now i am happy because we can not just show bright light to the enemy while negotaiting under CPA. We Southerners knows that we will separate,but we don,t want to sing about it other we will show our tactics to the enemy. Thanks

  

  • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 06:35, by mohammed ali

    You people forget that you are a FREE STATE right now.The communist wing of the SPLA under the leaderhip of the Cubian twins (PAGAN/ARMAN) wants to play tactics to delay and stop the elections.If they loose elections,and they will loose it, they will be nothing!

    Please urge your SPLA PATRIOTIC LEADERS TO STOP RULING US, NOW UNDER THEM WE ARE NO LONGER AN INDEPENDANT STATE.WE WANT TO BE FREE.PLEASE ASK THEM TO LEAVE KHARTOUM NOW, GO TO JUBA NOW LET ARMAN/PAGAB BULID YOU A NEW CUBA IN THE NEW SUDAN!

    

    • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 08:10, by CHOLTHEGREAT

      I hope SPLM will stick to this position and not reversing it like the census decision that they took in April, 2008, that no census to be conducted in the South in April, but a week down the line, they accepted the census to continue. With excuse that they will reject the results if they don’t suit the South interest and yet they knew that, the results were going to be worst than to think and/ or one could imagine, that was a contradiction.

      I repeat what I have said earlier in my other comments, that SPLM can compromise on othere things, but ’’ NOT THE SOUTHERN REFERENDUM LAW’’ NO, COMA, NO WHAT TO BE COMPROMISE. Compromising the Referendum Law is the same as compromising and/ or selling of Southern Sudanese freedom, hence, was meaningless to have lost lives fighting for freedom that has no benefit. And to make the matter worst we have betrayed our falling heroes and heroens.

      

  • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 07:32, by Greater Equatoria

    Bro,let me help you.It’s not singing,but we have to know where we are going.We don’t need to go blindly for a right course.We,Southerners are have been fighting for a real course that every person in the world have understood;hence there is no need to hide in dark because of a right purpose.Be straight forward for the independence of South Sudan nation!

    

• SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 10:34, by alvin ajou

  Dear South Sudanese

  No elections, no referendum, we will declare our independence.

  Let me tell you brothers, no one is afraid of Arabs. Now our Army is well governed by our present chief of staff, James Hoth Mai, the former chief of staff was corrupt. SPLA will now isolate militias like Paulino Matip and defeat Arabs.

  Salva Kiir Oyeeee!!!

  James Hoth Oyeeee!!!

  South Sudanese Oyeee!!!

  

  • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 18:12, by Isaac Treter

    Hey Alvin Ajou,

    Take heed of what you are now preaching; if SPLA will act to isolate its Lt. Gen, Paulino, you will be on the run.

    Do you like that? Never again call that person a militia and yet he is part of your White Blood Cell (WBC)being the defence Mechanism of the Nation you are now trying to bring peace in.

    Please comment wisely another time. Don,t be the Peace Provoker.

    Thanks.

    

• SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 13:00, by Khent

  Our war has left the country with three armies- an army of cripples, an army of mourners, and an army of usurpers. Gatwech and his ilk resides within the army of usurpers.

  The usurpers (Gatwech) take credit for a peace and its tenants, that they had nothing to with.

  They steal the legacies of others, because they are afraid of their own shadow, afraid that if they used a little common sense, they would have to admit that their inglorious split and the subsequent collaboration with the enemy was wrong and unjustifiable!

  

• SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 13:49, by Khent

  My brothers:

  We should no longer be lenient on usurpers and historical revisionists.

  We only need to speak the truth to defeat them, however, the contest of truth vs. distortion is akin to that of good vs. evil.... it is eternal.

  If you fight the good fight, you need to enjoy the battle.

  Otherwise you tire of it, and evil begins to prevail by dumb persistence.

  Distorters such as Gatwech know the truth as mice know the cat.

  They seek to evade, distract, stall, bluff, transpose and posture - knowing well the power of the truth that stalks them, and knowing too, the rat-holes, they must cower in, if they wish to survive another day.

  It is never the objective to force them to *admit* the truth, by their very nature, they cannot.

  The objective is to learn, and then share the truth, and in doing so.... you confound, the confounders.

  

  • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 14 November 2009 15:31, by Divorce is bad

    1. I BEG ALL THOSE WHO COMMENT, not TO WRITE OFFENSIVE WORDS. Vulgarity shows no respect and unseriousness

    2. To all those who wish to vote seperation,state please why do you oppose unity? Islamic laws or what? do u know why you want seperation? do u guarantee welfare and security to local poor helpless non political people?

    3. why not accept federation to all Sudan, with local governments and local parliaments for enhancing local welfare?

    

    • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 15 November 2009 03:53, by Palotakans from Equatoria

      @ All these dim-witted: Divorce is bad, Khent, Gatwech, Isaac Treter, Alvin Ajou, Greater Equatoria, CHOLTHEGREAT, mohammed ali, Dinka Boy, cholabdi, Oduk, Arochthon, Wiyual Wech Puk D. Payol, Kamula, Atem Angok, Angelo Ajiech Manyuat, southerns(postive, that’s good), Nile(neutral),Mayor, Riangnom, Arochthon, Mr Famous Big_Logic_Boy, murlescrewed, Malakal and the rests.

      Dear Sudan’s natives, I am always saddened every time I surf the Sudan tribune because of your responses, posts or opinions. I always feel a shame to recommend the site to those who don’t know the site because instead of love there is hatred, instead of unity there is separation, instead of constructive debate there is destructive debate, instead of satisfaction there is dissatisfaction on this site (S.tribune). I would like to take you for a tour to what I do called ‘live as a native Sudanese, a true a African’ This tour will have these destinations: what are effects of words (bad or good words), Africans never been free, Africans fight for freedom wherever they are, and a generation for change.

      What are effects of words (bad or good words)? Words are very powerful than those who say them (words). Words are immortal though those who say words vanish like smoke in a windy day. Words destroy everyone; they destroy those who say them and those whose words are said to them. Cholabdi wrote to Oduk, “Arabs will still sex your mother to death” What does this statement means to you as a reader (S.tribune user), writer (Cholabdi) or as Oduk? This is a very destructive, barbaric, inhumane, stupid or senseless statement. It’s a dumb kind of thought to write this kind of statement, thinking that you’re simplifying another person. However, to mind you, Mr. Cholabdi, you’re very uniformed. How uninformed are you brother? You’re unformed that Oduk’s mother is your mother, She is their mother, and more importantly, she is ours!! You’re uniformed because you don’t know the right term for this type of act against women!! When any Southern Sudanese woman has or had sex with any Arab then it ‘s or was out of fear, it’s opportunistic or it’s or was out of despair!! My own brother, this type of sex is called rape. Rape is a bad thing to happen to any woman or anybody’s mum, be she an African’s or American’s, Australian’s or any Europeans’ mum. We all say no to rape or violence against women. Without this information in mind, you’re so uniformed because your words are destructive. However, when good people use good words, words which are set out to free us!! Then these words are good. Remember, Ghandi, Martin L. King jr., Nelson Mandela and somehow Malcolm X, these legends walked and some such as Nelson still walking the earth with pride because they conquered the humans’ minds. Conquering the humans’ minds is a hard job that needs you to live another life, a life that’s meant for only saints. I challenge you all, do you care for Southern Sudan to dare (to escape the tribal thoughts)?

      Africans never been free!! I know you (reader) are shocked by this statement, however; let me explain what I mean. The statement literally means what I wrote. Look at every country in Africa; look at Uganda with LRA atrocities, Kenya with political wars, Rwanda, Burundi, Congo, Seri Leone, or to cut it short, Africa as a whole with neo-colonisation. With these problems, are we free? To me, we are not free unless we overcome all these problems. I hope we will be free if we drop the tribal or separative thoughts.

      Africans always fight for freedom wherever they are!! Since the scramble of Africa we are still fighting within or without Africa. We are only fighting to regain out identity and our land. I mentioned the Africans’ legends (Martin Luthern,Malcolm X and Nelson) who fought for Africans’ freedom and they sent signals to the ends of world that we are people, not just people but people who love their identity and their freedom. As Southern Sudanese, does this ring in your ears? And if it does, can you apply it in Sudan to get your freedom and your identity?

      A generation for change, I think we are a generation for change, I have listed you above and I challenge you to respond to these comments of mine with informed disagreements or agreements if you can. If you’re true natives of S.Sudan then challenge me if I have served my interest in these comments. I challenge you if you know the history of the Sudan and of the world, if you know it(history), then use it (history) in this case of S.Sudan to get our freedom and Identity. If you know we are one blood but with different components (red blood cells, white blood cells, platelets, and many other elements in the blood but these components in the blood work for a common good), then as S. Sudanese work for a common good in Sudan.

      Lastly, to Southerns and Nile, you didn’t write anything bad so you’re in the list as just S. tribune users but not as abusers. I met an intelligent guy named Thieleling but because of rubbish from abusers he sometimes lose his intelligent and indulged in destructive debates, however if we engage in constructive debates people like him will help.

      

      • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 15 November 2009 04:38, by Dinka Boy

        Dear Palotakan from Equatorea,

        Thanks for your advise mr. Palatakan. The problem of Sudan or Africa as a whole seem complex. You posted excellence ideas that people like me should take,but your name and your last paragaph will help me put you in your own list you mentioned above. Your name as it appeared clearly is the tribalist; therfore, i kindly need you to change them to your own if you are advisor who can help Southerners to unit as brothers and Sisiters.

        Second, i respected your comments but you make it smell fishy when you said Thieliny is intelligence while he is the most tribalist above the list you mentioned in your first paragraph. Let me tell you that Thieliny always used Nuer or Riek Macahar as the only favorite and be the shield,but that is rubbish as you said dear. Nothing else he can said to unit Southeerners. I puzzled when you said that Mr tribalist is far away from it.( that is why your comments smell fishy).

        Please there is no thing aganist you ,but watch your sentences whenever you want to give advise.

        Seriously, we all are one. God create all human kind in the same image. Most of people knows that the Scramble of Africa brought these confusion of tribes or Countries within the Africa while Africa is like America- the continent free from tribes but engage much in the sustanability of lives/ future.

        I want to assure you that Europeans were the one brought these problems; most of us knows but because of ill post Thieling made did encouarged most of us post that way. Finally,I believed in rebuttel and revenge but not in attacked. I also react to aggression like ill Thieling and Gatwech from primitives. Thanks

        

        • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 15 November 2009 08:52, by Palotakans from Equatoria

          Dear Dinka boy,

          I like your comments too because you have come out with ideas that will help everyone and I. In the Sudan we need unity to succeed. I will not write a lot on your comments because they are straightforward and mature.

          There is nothing fishy about my comments and my names. In deed, am from Palotaka at eastern Equatoria in Sudan. There is nothing wrong with telling people where you come from. However, It’s shame when you misrepresent the great people such as Equatorians, Shilluks, Nuers or Dinkas by airing out your unsubstantiated frustrations. These are great tribes of great people. So if you’re an intelligence dwarf, then defile these tribes. I want to repeat myself by saying that there is nothing fishy in calling yourself ‘Dinka boy’ but every bit of your word that you wrote with bitterness for unknown cause is bad!! This bitterness in your words rob Dinkas of their self-pride or self-respect!! My dear brother, don’t retaliate hate with hate and you will be respected.

          There is nothing fishy about my comments about Mr. Thieleling, I still write it again, he is a good and intelligent guy, however, he sometimes run to Nuer’s sides to depend them because you disrespect Nuer as people or as intellectuals such as disrespecting Dr. Riak Machar. Riak, himself is not a Nuer ‘s asset but a southern Sudan’s son, our brother, uncle or whatever relation that applies to you!! So my dear brother, if we can give credits where it’s due and discredit those who deserve to be discredited professionally, people like Thieleling will never behave in any bad way. However, you (people like you-Dinka boy or Mr. Famous logic boy) fuel them up and expect them to write nice comments to you.

          Dear brother, you have no power to change anyone but you have power to change yourself so change first before you expect everyone to change.

          Thanks a lot for your comments and stay safe from this contagious tribal disease.

          

          • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 15 November 2009 21:56, by thieleling

            Brother Palotakans from Equatoria,

            Thanks for reminding people here of what we all should be focusing on: Justice for the continental blackness all over this ultra-modern world. The black Africans (North America, south America, Europe) and beyond. The problem on the website is exactly what you correctly pointed out: There is no intelligence in discusion and debate among brothers and sisters from sudan on this website. All there is bashing and counter-bashing which are based on prejudices and lack of knowledge about others among ourselves.

            People provoke others and nerver want to see argumentation, logic and analysis in a mature form. This is the heart of the problem here. This way your great advice may be construed as an insult while it is about our continental blackness, not even about south sudan. You are away ahead of the game brother. Skip the tribal war on this net. Please don’t be pulldown by the ignorance, and low-down prejudice of tribal lords here. There is no strategic intelligence in wasting time on uneducated, non-productive tribal arguments. I tried to be my best at the beginning, but the tribal lords provoked me at the mid-air and I was trying to fend them off ever since.

            If people want to analyze and dessiminate important issues affectting south sudanese today and in the future, we could have logical analysis based on independent thinking employing various disciplinary perspectives. But most of our brothers do not want real intelligence debate on issues. Your coments are praiseworthy, not because you said anything about me, but because of its mature and logical reasonings. I did lock horn with you before, and do really appreciated your intelligence in proper & professional debate. Good luck brother!!

            

• SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 15 November 2009 09:31, by Gatwech

  Khent and the likes,

  You made me laugh guys. You have proven that your argument is nothing but empty defense of your failure. You have not responded to the Rumbek meeting which has hard facts exposing your incompetent John Garang’s lost leadership.

  

  • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 15 November 2009 13:26, by Khent

    Gatwech:

    Keep laughing, like the class clown who tries to make a joke of his own stupidity - hoping that others won’t see that when he stops laughing.... he’s still stupid.

    Failure?

     We’re not the ones who intended on overthrowing Dr. John Garang, and failed.

     We, unlike you, did not operate in military conjunction with the enemy, but then schizophrenically concocted a fake military assault on Malakal. Did we?

     We didn’t sign a dubious and vague ’agreement’, which was subsequently discarded.

     We didn’t rejoin the movement on our knees. Without Dr. John Garang’s forgiveness, Riek would be irrelevant within the political environment. Don’t’ be bitter. Be thankful!

    We negotiated and signed the CPA.

    In 1999, when chaos was ramifying throughout the western Nuer heartland, we found ourselves in the unusual position of providing protection for refugee Nuer- we embraced 80, 000 Nuer civilians that were dislodged from their oil rich homes by Paulino Matip Nhial.

    Your post is worthless because you continue your noxious behaviour.

    But don’t worry, we’re used to it. I’ll leave you to your bitter ranting then.

    

    • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 15 November 2009 21:32, by Kim Deng

      Khent & likes,

      Let me bring these facts to your understanding since you failed to digest Mr. King Tut’s reanoable reponse towards your cheap propagans.

      1) "We’re not the ones who intended on overthrowing Dr. John Garang, and failed."

      __a) Ansr, CDR. Arok Thon Arok from Dinka Bor gave it a try, but failed miserably and as a result, Mr. Marxist-Leninist Garang put him into isolated world until he was recued from his death row by Nuer son call Late. CDR. Chan Top. __b) Ansr, CDR. Kerubino Kwanyin Bol did not hesitate to follow his brother CDR. Arok Thon,s plan, but did not only fail, instead he himself met his brother Arok Thon in that doom world before they all were taken out from prison without Garang’s consenct by Hero. CDR. Ochan (Chan) Top as result of the very blessing day for Southern Sudan, "Nasir move."

      2) "We unlike you, did not operate in military conjunction with the enemy, but then schizopherically cococted a fake military assault on Malakal. Did we?"

      __Ansr, a) After CDR. Arok Thon Arok and CDR. Kerubino Kwanyin Bol were saved from Mr. Marxist-Leninist Garang’s ruthless killing, they both formed their own movements (SPLM/A-Bor Group SPLM/A-BEG Group) respectively and sided with Dr. Riek’s Nasir faction. Many countless lives were wasted and/or displaced in both Jonglei and greater BEG by the forces under the command of two CDRs (Arok & Kerubino).

      __Ansr,b)Malakal town incident was not conducted by army under the command of Dr. Riek Machar Teny-Dhurgon as a case of Bor incident of 1991. But armed civilians took advatanges due to two faction confrontations.

      3) "We didn’t sign a dubious agreement, which was subequently discarded."

      __Ansr, a) Don’t be misled by the arabized Nunian gov’t (NIF/NCP) strategies when it comes to "Peace Agreements." It was the same arabize Nubian gov’t that trashed the Addis Ababa Accord of 1972 and KPA of 1997 respectively, and as such it’s too early for you and I to dance for this unfinished CPA unless and otherwise. Who are "we?"

      4)"We didn’t rejoin the movement on our knees, without Dr. John Garang forgiveness, Riek would be irrelevant within the political environment. Don’t be bitter. Be Thankful. We negociated and signed the CPA."

      __Ansrs, a) It was an agreement between the two movements [SPLM/A and SSIM/A] with different/oposite objetives. The SPLM/A with it "New Sudan," but SSIM/A with its self-determination for South Sudan. "Let’s go for SPLM/A as the name of the movement and self-determination is only main objective of the movement." It’s give and take as far as the agreements/contracks concerned. b) We all [Southern Sudanese] should thankful to our two movements especialy the Ring-leaders [Dr. Riek Machar Teny-Dhurgon & Dr. John Garang de Mabior] for understanding the differances of the movements. c) Mr. Marxist-Leninist Garang’s poor self-claimed vision "New Sudan" was a setback of Southern Sudanese (unionists & separatists) unification since 1983. And not only that, if not because Garang went to hell along with his blind vision "New Sudan," South Sudan should have been like Rwanda within 2005. Think about that.

      What do you mean by "We?"

      

      • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 16 November 2009 11:35, by Khent

        Kim Deng:

        Arok Thon Arok and Kerubino Kwanyin Bol joined the wretched Nasir faction, purely as a result of their arrest.

        Kerubino Kwanyin Bol was arrested for resisting the appointment of highly talented and educated professionals in the PMHC. Kerubino pulled out his pistol and threatened Dr. John Garang.

        Why do you deny the killing of civilians in Twic-east and Bor by Nasir? When this is pointed out - you simply deny - after having being so boastful of such killings.

        Nasir’s incursion into Twic-east and Bor territories resulted in the direct killing of 5, 000 civilians, whilst 25, 000 died as a result of the looting of the precious resources necessary for the continuation of life.

        By 2002 Riek had NO movement, that we were supposedly compelled to negotiate with! The government NO longer provided him access to supplies, ammunition or weapons- he was merely permitted to return by the virtue of our forgiveness.

        And oh please, don’t issue your pathetic little threats of a Rwandan type genocide. NOTHING will preoccupy us this time, should you feel compelled to attempt a repeat of 1991!

        "We" refers to those who refused to collaborate with the enemy. It’s as simple as that.

        

  • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 15 November 2009 14:01, by King Tut

    Haha..! I can’t help it but laugh,how the Dinkas here are trying it so hard to come clean out of their messy leadership style since the inception of SPLM/A.Although,the late Garanga had some credit in terms of strategies and control over the movement for the early years which infact helped keep the rebellion intact and progressively advance in bringing under it control a vast land of South Sudan,there are numerous and critical mistakes the man had committed;one of them and the mistake of his life was hijacking the just liberation struggle started by nationalists and pioneers such as Gai Tut Yang,Abdalla choul Deng,Akon Atem.Garang fought and abdicated for a united,secular Sudan that marked a point of departure and subsequence wars between the separatists and his (Garang) group.

    I’m pretty sure the incident (the attempted arrest of Gai by Ethiopian security forces) which led to the two groups [the ANYA-ANYA 2 and the SPLM/A] fighting each other,haunted Garang and the movement until today.Garang then conspired and plotted with the Ethiopian communist government of Mangistu to have the leaders of the separatists movement arrested,this information was later on known to the separatists who then decided to leave Ethiopia peacefully for Southern Sudan.While inside South Sudan the separatists were not let to rest.In one of their nightly rest after long hours of trekking the bushes,the SPLA fighters attacked and Gai lost his life immediately.It’s said that Gai’s body was subjected to somekind of beating ritual;SPLA’s scared disciplinary procedure at the time and even his remains have never been given a proper burial.It’s quite a sad story that show Garang’s true colors and his determination then to bring Sudan under communist rule.It’s summarized in the SPLA leaders’ popular saying "we shot the first bullet against the separatists"

    Without going further,I would like to say that Garang murdered and killed many Southern Sudanese than any man in history.He is the one to blame for the formation of militias who are mostly defeated elements from Anya-Anya 2 movement,the split in 1991 and the current tribal wars and hatred in the South.He helped fueled all these through his system of favoritism for his Dinka clan.Sadly enough,he is not here to enjoy his treacherous handywork,others have to clean his messes.

    Thank Riek Machar,Garang couldn’t have made up for his evil deeds and betrayal to the people of South Sudan.You can ask me;how did that happen? The CPA and most particularly the referendun clause within it,is Garang’s debt fully paid.I don’t know whether he could have done that without Riek’s influence.Die hard Garangists will detest this fact to the core,but it’s a fact genuine men can come to terms with.So,the Garangists have one thing to be happy about,that’s,Garang is a very happy soul right now wherever he might be,knowing pretty well that Riek is alive to keep the legality of his debt-paying a reality.All the other parrots-like leaders in the South who have now come to accept the idea of the separation of the South Sudan are just doing so because there is no more room for deceptions,I guess it’s dawn of reality that they have to face nomatter how bitterly they were opposed to it.

    Gatwich, man,I’m a great fan who follow you through your comments.You deserve everything intellectual,those who try to counter your arguments are no match,believe me.

    

    • SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 16 November 2009 11:37, by Khent

      Tut:

      The deadly game did NOT start with the death of Samuel Gai Tut. The deadly game was enabled by the sordid killing of recruits coming from Bahr al-Ghazel and other areas affected by the uprising.

      As you may know, to reach the SPLA training camps in Ethiopia, the recruits had to pass through eastern Upper Nile, a territory that was under the control of Anya-Nya II.

      Anya-Nya II perpetrated wanton killings throughout the first five years of the armed struggle. The recruits were killed in cold blood by Anya-Nya II, on discovering that they were intending to join the SPLA.

      In 1983, before the death of Samuel Gai Tut in 1984, many innocent recruits became victims of torture, long detention or possibbly death unless they could prove beyond reasonable doubt, that they did not intend on joining Garang’s SPLA.

      The biggest group that fell into this abyss of death, was the Ngok Dinka of Abyei, led by sergeant Bagat Agwek Acaak. Bagat was a sergeant from the first infantry division. As he passed through eastern Upper Nile, Samuel Gai Tut’s group fell upon them killing nearly two thirds of the recruits.

      

• SPLM vows no concessions in South Sudan referendum 15 November 2009 15:08, by ahmed@gmail.com

  Dear Southerners, I am really sorry to tell you this. You first need to repeatedly read the topic of discussion posted to the website before rushing to comments, suggestions and/or so forth. Also, when criticizing yourselves over the points, during the debate, base your critiques only on the topics rather than talking on your leaders’ past and forgiven backgrounds. I dont totally like that good education of Gatwech, Murlescrewed and All those you know being misuse only in bullshitting everyday. The education of pride that you Southerners have rappidly acquired during the war can help your leaders to take you across to your destination if wisely used in advising them. Not in pushing them to fight one another. AHMED