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By Joseph de Tuombuk

October 25, 2009 — One of the best indicators of stability in any country is the ability of its armed forces to stay out of politics at any cost. In United States, there is a respected chain of command in which civilian leadership controls how the military operates. This has been one of the greatest sources of stability in the U.S and other advanced democracies. The Sudanese People’s Liberation Army (SPLA) was reputed to be one of the best rebel forces in the world. At the height of its power, it could engage and humiliate Sudan Armed Forces in engagement after engagement. In 1991, it was poised to capture Juba – a feat that would have ushered in peace 14 years earlier. However, with encouragement from Lam Akol and the British wife, Riek Machar and others decided the time was right to split. It was one the greatest strategic blunders in the history of South’s struggle because it gave North the breathing room it needed to plan a better counteroffensive against SPLA.

Among other grievances, their main reason was lack of democracy within the SPLM hierarchy and perceived dictatorial tendencies of the late Dr. John Garang. In any rebel Movement, democracy tends to be last item on the list of objectives. The more pressing issues were to execute a war and worry later about the finer details of democracy. Even with major setbacks emanating from the split, the SPLA was still able to maintain its internal cohesiveness and scored major victories from mid-1990s. The reason for SPLA successful prosecution of war was its ability to remain disciplined rebel force that resisted attempts by political leadership to influence its ranks. There were isolated cases in which some zonal commanders tried to use SPLA forces for their own political survival but these attempts did not present a threat to the integrity of the SPLA. For instance, Arok Thon tried to use this strategy but it failed miserably. Today, however, there is a concerted effort by highly placed political leaders to use SPLA officers from their own tribes as a vanguard to political power.

This is a dangerous precedent that will hamper the ability of the SPLA to carry out its mission of protecting the peace. SPLA is no longer the pure military force that it used to be prior to the integration of other armed groups (OAGs). These soldiers joined SPLA with a totally different mentality and orientation; they were recruited ostensibly to protect tribal warlords. This has not change and can be seen today with behavior of Gen. Paulino Matip’s personal guards (read: army). Gen. Matip is the second in command of all the SPLA land forces in the South. He was given this post on the believe that doing so would bring him into the SPLA’s fold and mitigate the need of an all-out war against SSDF forces. SPLA would have easily taken on the SSDF militia but the cost would have been prohibitively high. Today, however, there is a concerted effort by Riek Machar to manipulate Gen. Matip into unholy alliance as he continues to blatantly pursue his cold-war strategy in an effort to take over the SPLM chairmanship by extension, GoSS presidency.

Riek Machar has not learned from the mistakes of the 1991 split. That split resulted in Bor Massacre in which tens of thousands – perhaps over hundred thousand – innocent women, children and the elderly were murdered in cold blood just for being from the same tribe as Dr. Garang. Like Charles Taylor, Riek Machar should have been indicted to The Hague for his crimes because he was the declared leader of SPLA-Nassir forces. Gordon Kong was one of his henchmen who were directly responsible for murder of prominent Bor Dinka intellectuals in Nassir. In all power struggles between Nuer leaders and the SPLM, Bor Dinka have been the one to pay the unbearable price. There has been no effort on the part of Nuer leaders to sell their alternative policies to all tribes in a peaceful and strategic way. In fact, had they done their homework, they would have found many disaffected Bor intellectuals receptive to their ideas. Many were offended by the arbitrary detention of Maulana Martin Majier Gai and his subsequent assassination. Nuer leaders opted to attack Bor and have never made effort to be remorseful for the Bor Massacre, nor have they made any reconciliation effort. Instead, they are setting in a motion a series of events that are laying the ground work for second Bor Massacre.

We are now seeing exactly the same strategy playing out in Jonglei state. The inter-tribal conflict between Duk of Dinka and Lou’s Nuer is not an isolated case prompted by power struggle in Bor. It is part of a wider strategy to create an environment of fear as the elections approach. With a tacit approval from Riek or his close advisors, a number of Nuer operatives are exploiting Dinka-Nuer historical animosity to create insecurity across the state in an effort to discredit the effectiveness of Jonglei state government and GoSS. When these two governments are considered ineffective, Riek Machar is likely to point this out and say “Kiir has been a failure and now someone else must take over”. Riek allies are also pushing for the removable of Unity state governor, Taban Deng Gai, and replacing him with one of his own allies. What is happening in Unity is more about the lucrative 2% oil revenues than anything else. It is also a clear indication of how Riek is willing to go to undermine Kiir’s appointees.

What is now more worrying is the use of Gen. Matip forces in this scheme. It has been indicated that the security atmosphere in Juba among the top leadership is that of paranoia. No one trusts anyone. This has been demonstrated by the security entourage that accompanies Matip, Riek, or Salva Kiir when they travel outside Juba. Even their respective residences are guarded by menacing-looking tribal forces armed to the teeth. Is this the legacy of hard-won peace? This level of mistrust can be reduced if Riek acts responsibly and stop undermining Kiir at every turn. He needs to back down and wait for his turn. He can challenge Kiir at the ballot box for the chairmanship of the SPLM without resorting to exploiting of Dinka-Nuer uneasy relationship for his political ascendency. What Riek Machar is doing now is going to lead to second Bor Massacre. The only difference is that Bor people are not prepared this time round to be passive victims of Riek’s ambition. There will be a bloodbath on both sides and Riek will have to answer for his crimes.

For South to experience peace and progress on the development front, Riek and others need to act responsively and put their ambition behind that of the country. Riek has to learn from past mistakes and make changes to his approach. He must convince people to see that he is a capable leader and not a tribal chieftain. He needs to come clean on the Bor Massacre and reconcile with Bor people for what untrained white army militia did under his leadership. The SPLA is the force responsible for protecting South. His attempt to use SPLA officers like Gen. Matip will not go unnoticed. What would prevent Matip from overthrowing Riek once he has succeeds in dislodging Kiir from the office? It was Matip who, with help from Sudanese intelligence, undermined and frustrated Riek when he joined NIF government in 1997. These are the things that Riek must think of before deploying such an ill-conceived strategy. If Riek has any agenda that he believe the people of South will embrace, he need to run against Kiir and may the best man win. It is that simple. That is how things should be handled in South. Recruiting SPLA officers from your tribe to champion your politics and provide muscle is a dangerous precedent and will set the country in a dangerous direction. This is what Riek must avoid, even at the expense of his political ambition because the country will be better off in the short and long run.

The author is pursuing graduate work in Geodetic Engineering in US, he can be reached at j.tuombuk@gmail.com

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  • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 03:46, by Dinka Boy

    Great article Mr Joseph Tuombuk. SPLM to make good strategy on many segments of Forces especially the forces of Matip Nhial. These Militias in the South will make the Governmnet of South suspicious. We all knows that Riek Machar has militia mentality too because he works with Matip and many others Nuer. Thanks

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    • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 04:45, by Akol Liai Mager

      1. There was no need for GOSS and SPLM to go for election in Unity State or elsewhere in the Southern States before fifth year of six years interime period spelt out in the CPA.

      2. If decided to go for elections, even partials, GOSS and SPLM must prepare themselves to accept elections’ outcomes, accept people mandate, or conceed defeat and respect the choice of the people, otherwise fixing here and there will be a 24 hours and seven Days work without break or success.

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      • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 06:17, by Gatwech

        Mr. Joseph or whatever your true name is,

        I warn you people not to preach tribal wars that can harm you more than the Nuer. You are in leadership, if you have realized that you have failed, don’t blame it on the Nuer through such baseless propaganda and scapegoating. You may lose the leadership before the elections day in April next year. Don’t ask for it. I know you are somebody near Salva Kiir masquerrading in the name of living abroad. You are simply an imposter. I hope other runaway refugees from your Dinka tribe will advise you to stop this. Why can somebody incite tribal war in which he cannot personally participate but just watch it on CNN or hear it through Voice of America or BBC? Your article is in bad faith!

        I will not talk much on your inherited lies that tends to distort history. You said Juba was to be captured in 1991 if Dr. Riek Machar and Lam Akol did not split in 1991. What prevented it from being captured from 1983 to 1990 before the split? Trying to connect irrelevant issues with the aim to mislead the public is a crime.

        The split was about self-determination, democratization of the movement and respect for human rights. You shamelessly with your inferiority complex said it was Dr. Riek Machar’s late wife, the British humanitarian worker, Emma Machar, who told Lam and Riek to go for self-determination. Well, may be it was Dr. Mansour Khalid who told late John Garang to go for secular united new Sudan. But the difference is that Emma Machar was not a politician and did not know any thing about self-determination. She was just a humanitarian girl, 23 years old, who was naive about politics. How could she tell very highly educated men with doctorates of philosophy how to do politics? What about the issue of separation that late Colonel Samuel Gai Tut was talking about since 1983 that caused the split with John Garang? Was Emma there?

        I could see that you are equally naive in politics. You said there is no democracy in any rebel movement. You are wrong. This shows that you did not even know what you were writing about. The issue of democratization of the movement was not about the fighting force that held guns, but the political wing of it, the SPLM. John Garang made a very, very big double mistake by mixing up SPLA/SPLM in what he called Political-Military High Command and also put semi-illiterate figures to head these two separate but important mixed up wings. Those illiterate figures included Cdr. Kerubino Kwanyin Bol, Cdr. William Nyuon Bany, and Cdr.Salva Kiir Mayardit. All of them rarely completed secondary education or participated in any politics before 1983. These guys interestingly concentrated on military issues, which they understood most, and left the political wing to die.

        Look at this mistake, Garang had a huge agenda of politically transforming the whole Sudan as his objective during the war, but he did not prepare the political ground ahead of time. He would have done it by grooming the SPLM to immediately transform the country once the war is won. What he should have done is organize separately the SPLM wing, recruit intellectuals and educated class to mobilize political cadres and get prepared for the huge task ahead. This failed. He only woke up in Chukudum in 1994, 3 years after 1991 eye-opening move, but still he did not practically organize it. This is why today the SPLM has a problem of transformation. Pagan Amum has failed in the true sense of transformation simply because he was not prepared for it.

        Most of the current SPLM cadres are just a bunch of either refugee camp residents or officers who were holding guns. They have no idea of what democracy is and how it can be applied to transform the country. But had the movement listened to Riek Machar and Lam Akol seriously, the SPLM would have gone far in the bush in its preparations for the task. The gun holders would have fought the war in the killing field while the political wing would have prepared the ground for democratic transformation.

        I feel your pain whenever you hear of Dr. Riek Machar scoring achievements one after another. This is why even the SPLM is divided on the referendum issue because the debate has been taken tribal. There are some who say that Riek Machar will get double credit for championing self-determination in 1991 and successfully negotiating referendum bill in 2009. They want to look for any means to fail the referendum bill. They are being joined by the minority unionists within the SPLM who are looking for any means to fail the referendum that would make the South Sudan separation fail. They hate the achievement on 51% simple majority. They also believe that even 90% of Southerners will come out of their houses to vote on the three voting days, let alone the less number of 66%. They believe the South will successfully separate. They are joined by Salva Kiir’s tribal group to go around the bill and cause some kind of crisis with the NCP so that the bill is withdrawn, delayed and to fail to be presented to the parliament for endorsement. They know the parliament has only one month to go for permanent recession until the elected new parliament in April next year. These are the evil tactics ployed by the joint unionist and tribal SPLM groups in the name of denying credit to Dr. Riek Machar. Will South Sudanese forgive them for playing around with their destiny?

        Well, guys you will be losers. Whatever propaganda you make is like asking for your doomsday. You are potential losers. Whether democratically or violently you will be losers. You are already screwed up, and living in a day dream. Stop insulting Riek Machar for tribal reasons. And don’t ask for unleashing his wrath on you. I beg you, don’t ask for it to happen.

        You talk of politicization of the SPLA army. You don’t know what you are talking about. SPLA has already been politicized by the SPLM since 1983. They think they belong to the political party called SPLM. Instead political leadfers from other parties are now trying to make them understand that they are a national army not belonging to any political party. So what is your incompetent article talking about?

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    • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 04:53, by tiomdit_maker

      Mr. Joseph,

      I did agreed with you Mr.Joseph on the couple points you mention about Dr. Riek Macahr’s ambition politic.And that is the part of his split in 1991,he claimed SPLM/A should should be demacratized,while as you mentioned the the movement who still under struggling can not be demacratized.And That is only things can not happen right when SPLA/M still struggling.As you had mentioned in your article, mistrust of each other is the main big problems a mongst our leaders.

      As you can see in Juba right now, evry commander incharge of certain barack has form his own trbal men to guad him or her and that’s an usually behavior in Juba town, the public is being threat with huges guns.And that why NCP is easily used most of the south sudan politician.

      The only thing Kiir would have done,is to reshufled the cabinet within 6 moths to an year,so that no one should dominate a position he or she held as his own paradised .And he should also order an accountibility to each and every one to report to him what are abstacles need to be adreesed.I think that kind of order would very easily dug out some hiden politic stunt burried within people.And Kiir would be easily dealt with such groups who are allied to SPLA/M vision.

      But Now you cannot identify which one is doing what and what.And that too would Identify those cabinet within SPLM/A who are supporting Militia groups who killed civilian in the south.Thanks.By Tiop Maker

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      • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 06:21, by Oduck Bol

        To mr/mrs Tiom Makar

        This is my first time to argue some one on this net. I think word that let me to argue you is SPLM dose not need to be democratic in this time. Why we fought northern instead to wait for them or for the time they want Sudan to be democracay? you do not think that they have time to bring democracay in Sudan? I think you went out of your mind man. How come you use SPLM dose not need to be democratic?. That is why government become Denka government because they think this is not the time to be democracy? that will get you to hell in future. looting raping ,grabbing land because you know that after you took others land you will make the law working.Iam myself was holding gun for my land and now it turn out that SPLM/GOSS has taken it to their people. Change your your behaviours or other wise bults will not stop hitting us. Who will tell me today there has something been done in Upper Nile state by SPLM/A?.Sava Kiir put radio station ,made road,and many hospital in Bar Elghazal and Bor that brought him where he is today. Also he gave our land to those human animals. That is cool, we will see in coming years and pray to your god so that there would be no war again.

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      • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 07:18, by Awumtiai

        Look Gatwech, you will say all you want to say, but truth remains to be told. There is no way you can erase some living attestation done by Machar on these people call Buor. You can shout, intimidate, threat and nothing will let it go.

        You (Nuer) nearly broke the backbone of the SPLA/SPLM when Riek Machar stabbed the Movement in the back. I was actually laughing to myself when you asked Writer a silly question that, what prevented SPLA to capture Juba in 1991? Gatwech, why do you shamelessly ask something you know? Just to tell you in few words, Kuol Manyang and other commanders were asked to break the siege at Juba to come and fought the traitors and surely they did.

        Being one of the fighters in Juba by then, Juba was actually at verge of falling into our hands (SPLA) we were just at the Airport, just to knock off. And if Riek did not start killing SPLA soldiers and Bor civilians, Kuol Manyang and Pieng Deng together with Oyee Deng Ajak were just winning the war at Juba with flying colours.

        Awumtiaidit.

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    • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 19:14, by thieleling

      Dear Gatwech,

      Salva Kiir is the caused of the proliferation of violence in South Sudan!! Dinkas are the military enemies of south sudanese now because the people killing south sudanese in Bentiu, malakal, Juba, Nimule, Teregeka, Uror, etc are Dinkas. John Garang’s political acendency was through violence killing Samuel Gai Tut besides subsequently killing Martin Majier Gai, Bol Akok, uncle Uduo, and so many others. Kiir is doing the same thing now, violently killing innocent south sudanese civilians for his own political ascendency.

      High-five to you brother Gatwech!! You truly live to your great name. Your supreme logic and superior reasonings humiliated so-called intelligent Dinkas who tried to gang up on you on their responses to this article. The truth is Salva Kiir and the Dinkas are seriously paralyzed by fear now in Juba. This is the basis of this author’s article. Its reasonings are based on fear begging Dr. Riek Machar to forgive the current Dinkas messes in south sudan. But Salva Kiir’s political dilemmas in Juba is threatened by Kiir’s own anti-democratic tendency, not Dr. Riek Machar.

      Kiir hijacked democratic transformation because he let the politics get in the way. Democratic transformation can only be carried out wisely and effectively when politicizing military(SPLA) does not get on the way. Kiir chosed to bring military into politics in south sudan as Garang did earlier. It is politically hard to reach consensus on how to proceed peacefully during the crisis and threat caused by the Dinkas in Juba. Kiir is finished politically whether through election or violence (if he chooses) comes April 2010. Kiir’s die-hards, few blinded Dinkas loyalists are wasting their time over spilled milk. TRUST ME!! Kiir is finished! Any slight military miscalculations on his side & advisers in Juba, Kiir will be desposed by military might before 2010!! Kiir’s incompetent, tribal tactics overkilled the situation or peace in south sudan. No More b---s!! You People will be violently defeated when this military showdown break loose soon in Juba.

      Therefore, I urge Dr. Riek, Matip and others to rethink their politcal and military strategy given the military & politically intense environment in Juba. I believe south sudanese are on the verge of a military showdown in Juba. It could happen any moment. There is nothing to backdown from since this would be a great let down of south sudanese. Salva Kiir’s undemocratic tendency is responsible for the proliferation of violence among south sudanese. Kiir will be blamed for any political violence in Juba.

      As for Mr. so-called Jesoph de Tuombuk, you are simply being bombastic and downright boorish on your crackled of hatred toward Dr. Machar and the Greater Nuers. Trying to bolster your cowardic, lack of confidence bedizened with bellicose expression only betrayed your low-down aspersions. Your antipathy toward Dr. Riek & the Nuers is based on tribalism. Nothing more!!

      There would NEVER be reconciliation between the Greater Nuers and Dinka-Bor. Not with Dinka-Bor credentials that is based on born to lie attitude, it will be pretty hard to do. Dinka-Bor as a constituency is useless in south sudan. Who would want to waste his/her time with Dinka-Bors whose lives not only based on lies, but also who only cover small piece of political geography in south sudan? Stop lying to south sudanese that no democracy in rebel movement!! Any government leads by a Dinka will always be dictatorship. Dinkas are not democratic!! The Dinka-led gov’t would never give political equality or equality of opportunity or rights, period!! Dinkas led an undemocratic rebel movement. The same Dinkas are leading undemocratic established gov’t, which is not rebel gov’t now in Juba. Why are they undemocratic now? Dinkas are simply challenged by democracy, period. Stop the lies!! The Dinkas would be undemocratic even if they lead a gov’t in America or Europe. It is in their nature, not the movement or the gov’t they lead. Dinkas don’t know what political equality means!! That is why they like to rule through terror!!

      Talking about "the greatest sources of stability in the U.S and other advanced democracies". They are only stable because the gov’t respect the rule of law by respecting the constitutional rights of the citizens.

      For example, the Amendment II in the U.S Constitution says, "A well- regulated militia being neccessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". Another Amendment III says, "No soldier shall, in time of peace, be quartered in any house without the consent of owner, nor in time of war, but in the manner to be prescribed by law".

      The advanced democracies respect the rights of their citizens and the U.S specifically respects its constitutional amendments on behalf of its citizens. The Dinka-led SPLA/GOSS does not respects the rights of its citizens. Instead, it violates their rights and even takeover their lands, besides killing them, especially in Equatoria. Your unreasonable, poor comparison and analysis is an insult to true advanced democracies. Their military understands the balanced of powers and the constitutional rights of their citizens.

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      • Potential politicization of SPLA 28 October 2009 19:22, by superior Junibi

        Thieleling,

        You can wind, cry, conspire, and reinstate hatred against dinka but at the end, dinka end up winning. When shit hit the pants in the 1991 Bor massacre, Riek and his forces were bitterly defeated and this criminal ran to Khartoum for refuge. This time I don’t know were he and his new aly matips] will hide. You mentally slaves Nuers will never set us back again like you did in 1991. Riek is a curse to the people and should never be allowed to lead!!!. If Riek is the only leader Nuer could produce, then Dinka and the rest of the tribes will continue to lead and liberate you. Dinkas are peace loving people who after all your setbacks, had offered everything they have to liberated your slaves minded people.

        Riek is not a good leader for the following reasons:

        1) If Riek rebelled in 1991 to fight for human rights, why did he with his 10,000 troops launched a war in Bor where none of the garang troops or the SPLA soldiers were not in stationed? He should have attacked Garang head quarters to deal with him militarily other then butchering civilians. He hate dinka!!!!!

        2) Riek is selfcenter, that after he got defeated, he ran to Khartoum leaving his scattered soldiers and the Lou nuer vulnerable to Dinka fighters. He saved his life and leaved those he was using to carryout his evil deed to be killed by Dinka victors. Don’t you think he will do the same to his new loyalists? Trust me, I witness the whole 1991 saga!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        3)Riek tried to unite indicted Ugandan warlord with Museveni, and gave them thousands of dollars mean while thousands of Sudanese are not getting their salaries or could not meet their basic needs. He did it for his known ego," a peace maker" which he thought will boost his deformed records.

        Every government has its challenges and this current SPLA government is facing critical ones which I think we should be patient and give the chance to lead us to our destiny. Dinkas will never betray you. Trust them and you will get your selfdetermination in a golden plate. long live south sudan

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  • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 04:53, by Mr Famous Big_Logic_Boy

    Dinkas Bull or dinkas boy leave Riek alone, taking us back to history will not solve any problems rather focus on the future demand. If your ugly dinkas were dehorn in 90s it is because of their madness not to be blame on innocent leader like Riek. Keep crying if you deserver another lession to be inflicted on your people. It is not far just wait for 2011 to pass and you will lick Nuer and Equatorians feets.

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    • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 07:52, by Gatwech

      Famous Big Logic Boy,

      It is good that you Equatorians also remind them that what they are preaching will permanently damage and harm them someday. Let them fan the fire.

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  • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 05:07, by Awumtiai

    That’s exactly right Tuombuk. But look, given this Nuer tribe being blindfolded by their tribal hatred to other tribe they will right away condemn you and your article to death because of pointing out the truth.They do not like truth being told.

    In essence, this SPLA government has been very fair in dealing with this tribe that have history of traitorous in history of our South Liberation than the rest of tribe. If you look closely on how they are given positions in the South Government now you will proof beyond doubt what I am talking about here.

    Dr. Lam Akol Ajawin seemed to be blamed by Dinka Bor and other nationalist tribe in the South that he Master-minded the 1991 defection from SPLA that might be right but huge blame is on the shoulder of this Riek Machar. Our people did not participate in killing Bor’s people and SPLA soldiers. We have never killed even one person from Bor. Therefore, if charges are going to be laid later on the leaders of Nasir Defection about the Bor Massacre, then Riek and Gordon Kong will be both answerable.

    Just to mention few among others, Gordon Kong ordered his men to Kill Hakim Aluong the most respected soldier in the dead of night and the rest only and only they were from Bor. Akol Ajawin and his tribe men did not do that. We have stood with the rest of other tribes in South in fighting our common enemy (Jellaba)

    Awumtiaidit.

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  • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 06:19, by Gatwech

    Dear readers,

    This tribal hatred against Dr. Riek Machar should stop.

    Mr. Joseph or whatever your true name is,

    I warn you people not to preach tribal wars that can harm you more than the Nuer. You are in leadership, if you have realized that you have failed, don’t blame it on the Nuer through such baseless propaganda and scapegoating. You may lose the leadership before the elections day in April next year. Don’t ask for it. I know you are somebody near Salva Kiir masquerrading in the name of living abroad. You are simply an imposter. I hope other runaway refugees from your Dinka tribe will advise you to stop this. Why can somebody incite tribal war in which he cannot personally participate but just watch it on CNN or hear it through Voice of America or BBC? Your article is in bad faith!

    I will not talk much on your inherited lies that tends to distort history. You said Juba was to be captured in 1991 if Dr. Riek Machar and Lam Akol did not split in 1991. What prevented it from being captured from 1983 to 1990 before the split? Trying to connect irrelevant issues with the aim to mislead the public is a crime.

    The split was about self-determination, democratization of the movement and respect for human rights. You shamelessly with your inferiority complex said it was Dr. Riek Machar’s late wife, the British humanitarian worker, Emma Machar, who told Lam and Riek to go for self-determination. Well, may be it was Dr. Mansour Khalid who told late John Garang to go for secular united new Sudan. But the difference is that Emma Machar was not a politician and did not know any thing about self-determination. She was just a humanitarian girl, 23 years old, who was naive about politics. How could she tell very highly educated men with doctorates of philosophy how to do politics? What about the issue of separation that late Colonel Samuel Gai Tut was talking about since 1983 that caused the split with John Garang? Was Emma there?

    I could see that you are equally naive in politics. You said there is no democracy in any rebel movement. You are wrong. This shows that you did not even know what you were writing about. The issue of democratization of the movement was not about the fighting force that held guns, but the political wing of it, the SPLM. John Garang made a very, very big double mistake by mixing up SPLA/SPLM in what he called Political-Military High Command and also put semi-illiterate figures to head these two separate but important mixed up wings. Those illiterate figures included Cdr. Kerubino Kwanyin Bol, Cdr. William Nyuon Bany, and Cdr.Salva Kiir Mayardit. All of them rarely completed secondary education or participated in any politics before 1983. These guys interestingly concentrated on military issues, which they understood most, and left the political wing to die.

    Look at this mistake, Garang had a huge agenda of politically transforming the whole Sudan as his objective during the war, but he did not prepare the political ground ahead of time. He would have done it by grooming the SPLM to immediately transform the country once the war is won. What he should have done is organize separately the SPLM wing, recruit intellectuals and educated class to mobilize political cadres and get prepared for the huge task ahead. This failed. He only woke up in Chukudum in 1994, 3 years after 1991 eye-opening move, but still he did not practically organize it. This is why today the SPLM has a problem of transformation. Pagan Amum has failed in the true sense of transformation simply because he was not prepared for it.

    Most of the current SPLM cadres are just a bunch of either refugee camp residents or officers who were holding guns. They have no idea of what democracy is and how it can be applied to transform the country. But had the movement listened to Riek Machar and Lam Akol seriously, the SPLM would have gone far in the bush in its preparations for the task. The gun holders would have fought the war in the killing field while the political wing would have prepared the ground for democratic transformation.

    I feel your pain whenever you hear of Dr. Riek Machar scoring achievements one after another. This is why even the SPLM is divided on the referendum issue because the debate has been taken tribal. There are some who say that Riek Machar will get double credit for championing self-determination in 1991 and successfully negotiating referendum bill in 2009. They want to look for any means to fail the referendum bill. They are being joined by the minority unionists within the SPLM who are looking for any means to fail the referendum that would make the South Sudan separation fail. They hate the achievement on 51% simple majority. They also believe that even 90% of Southerners will come out of their houses to vote on the three voting days, let alone the less number of 66%. They believe the South will successfully separate. They are joined by Salva Kiir’s tribal group to go around the bill and cause some kind of crisis with the NCP so that the bill is withdrawn, delayed and to fail to be presented to the parliament for endorsement. They know the parliament has only one month to go for permanent recession until the elected new parliament in April next year. These are the evil tactics ployed by the joint unionist and tribal SPLM groups in the name of denying credit to Dr. Riek Machar. Will South Sudanese forgive them for playing around with their destiny?

    Well, guys you will be losers. Whatever propaganda you make is like asking for your doomsday. You are potential losers. Whether democratically or violently you will be losers. You are already screwed up, and living in a day dream. Stop insulting Riek Machar for tribal reasons. And don’t ask for unleashing his wrath on you. I beg you, don’t ask for it to happen.

    You talk of politicization of the SPLA army. You don’t know what you are talking about. SPLA has already been politicized by the SPLM since 1983. They think they belong to the political party called SPLM. Instead political leadfers from other parties are now trying to make them understand that they are a national army not belonging to any political party. So what is your incompetent article talking about?

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    • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 07:17, by Awumtiai

      Look Gatwech, you will say all you want to say, but truth remains to be told. There is no way you can erase some living attestation done by Machar on these people call Buor. You can shout, intimidate, threat and nothing will let it go.

      You (Nuer) nearly broke the backbone of the SPLA/SPLM when Riek Machar stabbed the Movement in the back. I was actually laughing to myself when you asked Writer a silly question that, what prevented SPLA to capture Juba in 1991? Gatwech, why do you shamelessly ask something you know? Just to tell you in few words, Kuol Manyang and other commanders were asked to break the siege at Juba to come and fought the traitors and surely they did.

      Being one of the fighters in Juba by then, Juba was actually at verge of falling into our hands (SPLA) we were just at the Airport, just to knock off. And if Riek did not start killing SPLA soldiers and Bor civilians, Kuol Manyang and Pieng Deng together with Oyee Deng Ajak were just winning the war at Juba with flying colours.

      Awumtiaidit.

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      • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 08:12, by Gatwech

        Awumtiai,

        Look at your traditional inherited attitude of lying which you always mistaken for a fame. Yes, you said it was in 1991 that Juba could have been captured, why not in 1983, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90?

        Again you lied of your of Dinka commanders you named to have assaulted Juba. Lies! It was Cdr. Wang Chiok, a Nuer, who assaulted Juba and briefly captured the main Juba bridge. Cdr. Bior Ajang was afraid and shaky to go. Garang asked the commanders who wanted to assault Juba, they all kept quiet but Cdr. Wang Chiok raised up his hand and said he was ready to do it. He successfully commanded the forces, most of them were Nuers and Equatorians, and captured all the SAF garrisons on the road until he reached Gumbo.

        Gen. James Hoth Mai and Cdr. Obote Mamur were the ones who captured many towns on the Yei side up to WES. At Juba Airport, it was Thomas Cirilo, an Equatorian from Bari tribe, who almost captured the airport. Most of Dinka commanders were afraid to assault Juba. Most of them asked for leave to Uganda and Kenya and involved in commercial activities. Stop misleading the world that you actually fought the war when you were hiding in refugee camps. Your only claim to have fought the war as Dinkas is simply because John Garang was from Dinka and supervised the war using remote control in Kampala and Nairobi hotels.

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    • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 07:24, by murlescrewed

      Gatwitch,

      Your tribal hatred and defense of Riek Machar is beyond belief. The author is clearly stating all facts but the truth hurts. Dinka will be losers. We have always a plan to deal with any eventuality. When Joseph Lago took over the leadership and started dealing with jallabah in the back room, Dr. Garang stepped forward and spearheaded the rebellion.

      What is the meaning of self-determination to you? It means that you decide your political destiny. When Riek went to Khartoum, what did he achieved? He just became another jallabah servant with no power. That is why he crawled back to Garang begging for forgiveness and a political lifeline.

      Kiir is highly competent and is keenly aware of what you people are up to. Take my word for this. You know how to start things but don’t know how to finish them. We know how to go from point A to point Z. I promised you that much.

      Riek will never lead South. That is a given fact. He is not respected politically. Even when he negotiates with Taha, he gets instructions from the SPLM. He does not come up with his own ideas.

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      • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 08:31, by Gatwech

        Well, let me give you the worst news. Salva Kiir will never be President beyond April 2010. If he will remain President by May next year, I will call you my Godfather, MARK MY WORDS!

        You said the Nuer only know how to start things well but don’t know how to end them. You are wrong. It is because you don’t understand strategies.

        Follow this events:

        1991 split caused John Garang to call for Chukudum Convention for the first time in SPLM and embrassed the Nasir faction’s called for democratization of the movement.

        1991 split lead the way towards respect for human rights where Garang had lost sense by recruiting as young as 7 years old to 16 years old to unskillfully fight in the war field. Thousands of them died prematurely. I believe they have met him already in hell and some in heaven. But Dr. Riek Machar and Dr. Lam Akol corrected the madness by releasing such kids who found themselves on their side in 1991. They were taken to refugee camps and to Western countries for education. Garang adopted the same policy later on and released his kids and called them lost boys or girls.

        1991 split brought peace agreement on self-determination. Dr. Machar strategically went to Khartoum to pin down the Khartoum regime on its commitment to self-determination. In 2002, Garang joined him in the self-determination and the first CPA protocol was based on self-determination. CPA was finally signed in 2005. That was the strategy of Dr. Machar.

        1991 split has now changed the Sudan’s political equation. self-determination is the center of resolving North-South conflict. We are all swimming in the same pool. Now the same Dr. Riek Machar is the one implementing the CPA and especially negotiating his championed self-determination’s referendum.

        1991 split has ushurred in what we can call democratic elections where incompetent caretaker and temporary leaders like Salva Kiir can be removed. Referendum will take place in just one year, and the South may get independent under the true leader like Dr. Riek Machar.

        So, Mr. Naive, how do you look at the subsequent events. Is the strategy not at work. If Dr. Riek Machar’s 1991 has directed the objective and the system, what else do you think remains. Only leadership. Well it is by April 2010. So, it is you doesn’t know how things unfold. SPLM has come to what Dr. Machar wanted in 1991. Let us all celebrate the strategy by a highly empowered brain.

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        • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 16:01, by murlescrewed

          Get ready to call me your father because Kiir will remain the president come rain or shine.

          You really believe that Riek went to Khartoum to get self-determination? You are even sick in your mind than I thought. Riek went to Khartoum after he lost everything; including his army to various warlords in Nuerland. That is a fact.

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          • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 20:29, by thieleling

            Murle screwed,

            The only Dinkas that can lead fairly are the Pandang-Dinkas. But people like you are corrupting them in the persons of Gier Chuang & others. Forget about the BEG & Bor-Dinka. The BEG are too corrupted!! Bor-Dinkas are too greedy!! South sudanese are voting you out on election day. Unless there are Pandang-Dinka candidates who may have chance to win, south sudanese overwhelmingly will vote for non-Dinka. You will be violently defeated if you go anti-democratic and violently rigg the south sudan vote. you are rejected in totality by the south sudan masses because of your violence & corruptions. What don’t you get

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      • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 21:12, by thieleling

        Dinka-screwed aka Murle-screwed,

        Salva Kiir is the source of the proliferation of current violence in south sudan for his political gains!! So, Kiir violates the international law and norms. South Sudan military have to use force decisively or acts pre-emptively to safe south sudan from Kiir’s further violence. He already sets a dangerous precedent, wreaked havoc and weakens the rule of laws among south sudanese. There is reliable intelligence that Salva Kiir’s self-fullfilling prophecy to remain south sudan leader through violence means will be targeted and ends up defeated and removed by peace-loving south sudanese security forces in Juba. This is to make south sudan safer for south sudanese civilians. There is need to wait for election if Kiir continues his violence.

        The tension in Juba is real!! Both Kiir & Dr. Riek or Matip have access to all our military divisions heads in south sudan. When the hell break loose, it is not Matip or Kiir who suffer!! Write that down.... even the most cowards would be affected. but you always like to put your foot in your mouth!! Keep digging with your empty, cowardice threats!! You only will blame your coward self.

        "If Riek use Nuer-Dinka divisions to advance his political agenda, he will not live to see the daylight".

        Really? But if Kiir uses Dinka-Nuer divisions to advance his political agenda, he will live to see the daylight? Oh boy!! hypocritical....only a drugist or drunkard like you could say this. It is such a hopeless statement.

        The truth is Kiir’s leadership hit the wall. Kiir will have couple of months here and there where he claims leadership, but big picture, long term, any intelligence person knows Kiir’s leadership ’s done. This is an opinion echoed by all competitive south sudanese parties & people, including even the new smart American administration except Kiir’s blinded loyalist Dinkas like yourself.

        Kiir now really commands little on the future of south sudanese. And beyond a name Salva Kiir, a Dinka, that sells to his few Dinka blinded loyalists, Kiir’s impact going forward as a leader is expected to be marginal at best.

        Therefore, Kiir is a leader on the verge of a fascinating final collapse that many tribalists like you want to avoid. But tribalist like you aren’t driven by Salva Kiir’s successes as leader, but through their kinship with him. That is very understandable. But that is not the correct way forward.

        Would you use violence to keep an incompetent leader(Kiir) in power that south sudanese reject or would you get out of their way? It is upto the tribalists like you if that is really what Kiir’s leadership amounts to, war among south sudanese

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  • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 08:34, by Oracle

    The SPLA is already politicized. In addition, the SPLM are trying to do their expected job but due to the leadership divisions along tribal lines, it is obvious that the army would fall in line with their political counterparts in their respective factions. This is only endangering the whole South Sudan, who as days go by seems to be edging closer to civil strife. The SPLM have a massive task which thay have done well on some things like the referendum but have failed in the prosecution of noted misapropriation of public funds. We Southern Sudanese should start questioning the authority of what they are doing to calm tribal tensions and other factors affecting us such as rampant corruption that leaves most civilians without basic needs. One thing getting clearer is that the leadership need to be cohesive and start working for the people and not theirselves, because their failure shall mean new doom for South Sudan.

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    • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 09:04, by Lokorai

      Dear Gatwech,

      I like that optimism, Mr. Kiir must go home next year. May God bless our people under a new leader who will gently take care of our future.

      Lokorai

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      • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 10:42, by Pandit

        Hey guys stop arguing with Gatewatch. Teaching him to be good human is like teaching donkey to be a good carrier. This article is the most article, which I’m terresting to read. Nuer enemy is not arab. Dinka is number one enemies in their list. This true Nuer never open their agenda without excluding Dinka name first whenever they have conference about what do for the futur of their people. Gatewatch I will tell you that hoping for war is one thing that never be forget in nuer society. We are praying good to let us achief what we have been fighting for. James Hoth who are given credit as one of those who captured Yei in 1996 was in Yekitos. It was captured by under planning of two men, especially Jok Riek and one of Murlei Cammander not James Hoth.

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  • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 10:57, by Khent

    Gatwech:

    In 1995, Dr. Riek Machar was the leader of a virtual movement, lacking any real substance or coherence. Gatwech, you should THANK Dr. John Garang for permitting Riek Machar’s return.

    Where would Riek Machar be, had it not been for Dr. John Garang’s grace? Nowhere! And you all know it.

    Let’s go back in time, shall we.

    Dr. Riek Machar formally signed a peace charter with President Bashir in Khartoum- the charter re-affirmed the unity of Sudan within its known boundaries, the federal system of the NIF (with its twenty-six states), and Sharia as the source of legislation.

    Against this was a promise at the end of an unspecified period for a "referendum" for Southerners to "determine their political aspirations". The central paradox of Dr. Riek Machar and Nasir, was its military alliance with the government- it was a paradox that ultimately cost its leaders their political credibility and destroyed their wretched movement; Dr. Riek Machar served the NIF’s long-term objectives- to entrench the Islamic State in the North- but they did NOT have the power to extract further concessions for themselves. Dr. Riek Machar relied on the Northern government for his continuation. Collaboration between the Nasir faction and Khartoum was publicly formalised with the agreement between Dr. Lam Akol and Ali al-Hajj Muhammed at Frankfurt in January 1992. The two page document, which was released, made NO mention of independence, containing only a vague reference to deciding the special political and Constitutional status for the South in a future Referendum. Nevertheless, Dr. Riek Machar presented the agreement as a commitment to Self-Determination.

    That the government did not intend this "referendum" to go so far was later made clear by Ali al-Hajj, when he declared that the Frankfurt agreement provided only for a "referendum" on the degree of decentralization in the South and did NOT compromise the unity of the country.

    The Fashoda agreement was also pathetic! Control of the armed forces and national security was reserved for the Federal government, the states being allowed some control over economic development, but only in accordance with federal planning.

    The President of the Republic was to appoint the President of the Coordinating Council of Southern states who would nominate his cabinet and the governors of the Southern states for final appointment by the President of the Republic.

    The version passed by the National Assembly in July gave the President of the Southern states Coordinating Council the right to nominate state governors to an Islamic Consultative Council, controlled by the speaker of the Assembly (Turabi), and the President of the Republic; they were thus answerable to their assemblies and the central government, rather than to the Coordinating Council, of which they became members.

    Like the Frankfurt Agreement, the wording of the 1997 Agreement was subject entirely to the interpretation imposed on it by the government.

    It shared many of the same weaknesses as the Addis Ababa Agreement, in that its provisions were worded in such a way as to be open, and the powers devolved to the Southern states were highly qualified by Federal control. The Fashoda agreement incorporated the general principles of the peace charter(including the unity of Sudan).

    It would be a joke to relinquish the VICTORIES and achievements of the victor, to the vanquished!

    You may consider your revisionist ideology officially exposed, deconstructed and obliterated.

    You’re welcome

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    • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 13:55, by Gatwech

      Khent,

      I was laughing while reading your poor response. Do you want to ask me why? It is because you have run away from post-1991 situation where the journey began. You deliverately opted to talk of the 1997 Khartoum Peace Agreement and Fashoda Peace Agreement vis-a-vis the CPA.

      Well, dude you have shot yourself in the foot. Let us examine it briefly. Most of the situation you seemed to have analyzed with the attitude of the Khartoum regime toward its peace parners in the South is not a new thing. It happens now under the CPA. It also happened in 1972 peace agreement. What we need is a strong leadership that unites the people and faces the regime.

      Well, if you are ashamed of the post-1991 SPLM/A and failed to talk about its journey to self-determination, democratic transformation and respect for human rights as I enumerated in my above comment, then I also agree to talk only about the Khartoum/Fashoda Peace Agreements vis-a-vis CPA.

      What is the origin of the CPA by the way? It is more or less a copied text of the Khartoum/Fashoda Peace Agreements with modification of some provisions such as on Abyei, UN forces and the popular consultations in Nuba and Blue Nile. The rest were just copied from Khartoum Peace Agreement. Read the document of the Khartoum Peace Agreement and you will come to realize what I mean. Dr. Riek’s army, SSDF was intact like SPLA and was never incorporated into the SAF. This is why the security protocol for the CPA was also negotiated by non-other than Riek Machar that resulted to the breakthrough.

      And by the way, late John Garang could not afford to make peace agreement without Dr. Riek Machar. This necessitated their unification. The result of which was the signing of the Machakos protocol, the first one, for self-determination just six months after their unification from January to July 2002. Let me tell you my friend, late Garang respects Dr. Riek Machar in his grave and vice versa. He knows that the CPA is in good hands, and the South shall prosper as long as Dr. Riek Machar lives on......

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  • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 11:24, by Khent

    Gatwech:

    Your post is an apotheosis of a priori thinking and is a common fallacy, in which you assume your own conclusion instead of proving it. As juxtaposed with the puerile and ethnocentric pseudo-scholarship that cripples and moots each post from you.

    The SPLA’s manpower (from its very inception) came from the Dinka tribe, specifically from greater Bahr el Ghazal.

    You actually deny this - but based on no data. You have no data, no information....NOTHNG.

    Can you provide evidence for your assertion, that most combatants on the siege of Juba came from the Nuer tribe?

    Prove me wrong and answer the question.

    Or, prove me right and respond with jibberish, in a futile attempt to run away from your inability to answer the question.

    Nothing you wrote lends support to your conjecture. If you were honest, you would admit to that.

    After all, this thread isn’t just about politics, it is about your pitiful failure to produce anything noteworthy by way of evidence for you eccentric claims.

    Every single prominent individual in our current government (including the now deceased Dr. John Garang), has commited Human rights abuses.. this ridiculous article advocates for the selective application of justice. Dr. John Garang killed our Nuer elders, women and children in Ethiopia- this pathetic article fails to acknowledge that.

    Dr. Riek Machar did not adhere to the spirit of human rights, as you so deceptively assert. Dr.Riek Machar has commited numerous Human rights abuses, in which 5000 civilians were butchered and thousands more of starvation.

    In which case your claim is falsified, is it not?

    It is that convoluted and seemingly contradictory theme of your post, as cited above, which made it necessary to provide examples of Riek’s Human rights abuses.

    It’s impossible to make an intelligent argument from a false premise, or to debunk a false argument by accepting its root premises.

    You have to destroy the root premises, so as to stop the poison that eschews from it.

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    • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 14:18, by Gatwech

      Khent,

      You would never produce any single evidence implicating Riek Machar in the direct killing of civilians. The well known killers were Kuol Manyang Juuk who was given the nickname "The Butcher of Equatorians" for his known killing of Equatorians during the war. What you called evidences lack substance. You always say Riek told Lou-Nuer to attack Bor-Dinka in 1992. Look at your ignorance in the application of law.

      How many inter-community fightings took place in the South and even right now. In Jonglei for example, does Kuol Manyang tell Bor-Dinka to kill people on the roads and in the town? Does he tell them to attack Mundari? Does he tell them to terrorize Mahdi populations in Nimule?

      You also shied away from mentioning the cold blood murders of Nuer officers in Equatoria region by Dinkas in 1991 simply because a Nuer leader had corrected late Garang’s poor leadership. You thought it was tribalism, when infact it was system. Because you realize things too late, Salva Kiir Mayardit apologized to Dr. Riek Machar in 2004 in Rumbek famous meeting when accused Garang of all Dr. Riek was accusing him for in 1991. Because Dinka tribalism, they mislead other tribes that Riek was just after leadership. But shamefully Salva Kiir realized it in 2004.

      If the Lou-Nuer attacked Bor in 1992, couldn’t you grasp that the Lou-Nuer were revenging on Bor-Dinka because of the killing of their famous officers in Equatoria by the Dinka? You are a human without any sense of justice.

      Don’t lie that 104 and 105 forces that formed the SPLA in 1983 were mostly from Dinka. Let me remind you that when the SPLM/A was formed in Itang the Dinka were 75 and the Nuer were 2000. Ask somebody from the Dinka who knows well the true story of the formation of the SPLM/A. Yes, after wards many Dinkas from Bahr el Ghazal joined the movement. But when the fighting became deadly many Dinka forces and officers melted into refugee camps in Fanyido, Dimma in Ethiopia and later on to other refugee camps in Uganda and Kenya.

      So, to tell you the truth, the Dinka did not fight the actual war. It was the Nuer and Equatorians, Shilluk and Nubians who fought the real fighting. Most Dinkas officers were hiding in refugee camps, but Garang would transport one to any town captured to claim it. Dinkas were lucky because Garang, their fellow, was the leader of the movement, so they thought it gave them undetected lie to claim that they truly fought the war. They were refugees who just repatriated back to captured towns. Stop lying, or your runaway officers who now pretend to have fought the war will be exposed in details name by name.

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  • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 14:33, by Khent

    Dr. Riek Machar has the right to participate within the political environment, without being berated by these hypocritical articles- all our political representatives have been involved in Human rights abuses.. to imply that Dr. Riek Machar is alone in Human rights abuses and that he should apologize for such trangressions, is to imply that our entire government should apologize for their Human rights abuses- starting with Salva Kirr.

    To the Twic-east and Bor-Dinka on this site.. STOP your childish infatuation with Dr. Riek Machar!- a selective application of justice (which some of you advocate), is entirely unwholesome- incessantly peddling your past grievances makes little to NO sense.

    Let’s move on.

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    • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 16:46, by murlescrewed

      Let’s move on? Please listen to your self. You cannot move as long as the people who committed these atrocities are busy again doing the same thing that they did not too long ago. They have not learned anything and therefore should be held accountable.

      What has Riek done to show that he regrets what happened under his watch? Nothing. Instead, he continues to blame the Dinka for his political failures. The man will never be anything more than a servant. He is cursed.

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      • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 19:12, by thieleling

        Murle screwed,

        The only Dinkas that can lead fairly are the Pandang-Dinkas. But people like you are corrupting them in the persons of Gier Chuang & others. Forget about the BEG & Bor-Dinka. The BEG are too corrupted!! Bor-Dinkas are too greedy!! South sudanese are voting you out on election day. Unless there are Pandang-Dinka candidates who may have chance to win, south sudanese overwhelmingly will vote for non-Dinka. You will be violently defeated if you go anti-democratic and violently rigg the south sudan vote. you are rejected in totality by the south sudan masses because of your violence & corruptions. What don’t you get?

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  • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 17:32, by Time1

    SPLA is a neutral non partisan army made out of all nationalities in Sudan and south Sudan, SPLA army is more neutral and well balanced in its ethnic make up if you compare it with other tribal army in the region like the Ugandan UPDF and Norths SAF which are dominated from top to lower levels by one tribe of the president.SPLA is undergoing transformation because most of current structure was inherited from the days of the liberation but now it is undergoing a modern balanced and advance transformation as south Sudan army.

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  • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 19:00, by thieleling

    Dear Gatwech,

    Salva Kiir is the caused of the proliferation of violence in South Sudan!! Dinkas are the military enemies of south sudanese now because the people killing south sudanese in Bentiu, malakal, Juba, Nimule, Teregeka, Uror, etc are Dinkas. John Garang’s political acendency was through violence killing Samuel Gai Tut besides subsequently killing Martin Majier Gai, Bol Akok, uncle Uduo, and so many others. Kiir is doing the same thing now, violently killing innocent south sudanese civilians for his own political ascendency.

    High-five to you brother Gatwech!! You truly live to your great name. Your supreme logic and superior reasonings humiliated so-called intelligent Dinkas who tried to gang up on you on their responses to this article. The truth is Salva Kiir and the Dinkas are seriously paralyzed by fear now in Juba. This is the basis of this author’s article. Its reasonings are based on fear begging Dr. Riek Machar to forgive the current Dinkas messes in south sudan. But Salva Kiir’s political dilemmas in Juba is threatened by Kiir’s own anti-democratic tendency, not Dr. Riek Machar.

    Kiir hijacked democratic transformation because he let the politics get in the way. Democratic transformation can only be carried out wisely and effectively when politicizing military(SPLA) does not get on the way. Kiir chosed to bring military into politics in south sudan as Garang did earlier. It is politically hard to reach consensus on how to proceed peacefully during the crisis and threat caused by the Dinkas in Juba. Kiir is finished politically whether through election or violence (if he chooses) comes April 2010. Kiir’s die-hards, few blinded Dinkas loyalists are wasting their time over spilled milk. TRUST ME!! Kiir is finished! Any slight military miscalculations on his side & advisers in Juba, Kiir will be desposed by military might before 2010!! Kiir’s incompetent, tribal tactics overkilled the situation or peace in south sudan. No More b---s!! You People will be violently defeated when this military showdown break loose soon in Juba.

    Therefore, I urge Dr. Riek, Matip and others to rethink their politcal and military strategy given the military & politically intense environment in Juba. I believe south sudanese are on the verge of a military showdown in Juba. It could happen any moment. There is nothing to backdown from since this would be a great let down of south sudanese. Salva Kiir’s undemocratic tendency is responsible for the proliferation of violence among south sudanese. Kiir will be blamed for any political violence in Juba.

    As for Mr. so-called Jesoph de Tuombuk, you are simply being bombastic and downright boorish on your crackled of hatred toward Dr. Machar and the Greater Nuers. Trying to bolster your cowardic, lack of confidence bedizened with bellicose expression only betrayed your low-down aspersions. Your antipathy toward Dr. Riek & the Nuers is based on tribalism. Nothing more!!

    There would NEVER be reconciliation between the Greater Nuers and Dinka-Bor. Not with Dinka-Bor credentials that is based on born to lie attitude, it will be pretty hard to do. Dinka-Bor as a constituency is useless in south sudan. Who would want to waste his/her time with Dinka-Bors whose lives not only based on lies, but also who only cover small piece of political geography in south sudan? Stop lying to south sudanese that no democracy in rebel movement!! Any government leads by a Dinka will always be dictatorship. Dinkas are not democratic!! The Dinka-led gov’t would never give political equality or equality of opportunity or rights, period!! Dinkas led an undemocratic rebel movement. The same Dinkas are leading undemocratic established gov’t, which is not rebel gov’t now in Juba. Why are they undemocratic now? Dinkas are simply challenged by democracy, period. Stop the lies!! The Dinkas would be undemocratic even if they lead a gov’t in America or Europe. It is in their nature, not the movement or the gov’t they lead. Dinkas don’t know what political equality means!! That is why they like to rule through terror!!

    Talking about "the greatest sources of stability in the U.S and other advanced democracies". They are only stable because the gov’t respect the rule of law by respecting the constitutional rights of the citizens.

    For example, the Amendment II in the U.S Constitution says, "A well- regulated militia being neccessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". Another Amendment III says, "No soldier shall, in time of peace, be quartered in any house without the consent of owner, nor in time of war, but in the manner to be prescribed by law".

    The advanced democracies respect the rights of their citizens and the U.S specifically respects its constitutional amendments on behalf of its citizens. The Dinka-led SPLA/GOSS does not respects the rights of its citizens. Instead, it violates their rights and even takeover their lands, besides killing them, especially in Equatoria. Your unreasonable, poor comparison and analysis is an insult to true advanced democracies. Their military understands the balanced of powers and the constitutional rights of their citizens.

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    • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 20:50, by murlescrewed

      HAHAHAhHAHAH>>>>HAHAHAHAH...Pathetic Nuer,

      You can lick Gatwitch’s bottom but one is clear: he did not win any argument. DINKA is not afraid of what Riek is up to. He is being advised for his own safety to refrain from acting outside the law and start meddling in SPLA affairs. Can you think for a moment that you can take on KIIR and come out of this safe?

      Let me tell you that the night of the long knives in the work and someone is going to get hurt. Riek is aware of this but idiots like you who don’t know anything about DINKA don’t seem to appreciate the gravity of his foolishness.

      YOU SAID APRIL? LET’S WAIT AND SEE.

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      • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 23:34, by thieleling

        Yes, Salva Kiir’s self-fullfilling prophecy to remain south sudan leader through violence means will be targeted and ends up defeated and removed by peace-loving south sudanese security forces in Juba. This is to make south sudan safer for south sudanese civilians. We are aware Kiir does not "forget or forgive"!! And the only people who are safe in Juba right now are those with guns. We are operating based on that premise. Kiir will be violently defeated if he goes down on the violence path. It is that simple. No entertainment, no corruption!! "Bia bot e tai" soon!!

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  • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 19:13, by thieleling

    Dear Gatwech,

    Salva Kiir is the caused of the proliferation of violence in South Sudan!! Dinkas are the military enemies of south sudanese now because the people killing south sudanese in Bentiu, malakal, Juba, Nimule, Teregeka, Uror, etc are Dinkas. John Garang’s political acendency was through violence killing Samuel Gai Tut besides subsequently killing Martin Majier Gai, Bol Akok, uncle Uduo, and so many others. Kiir is doing the same thing now, violently killing innocent south sudanese civilians for his own political ascendency.

    High-five to you brother Gatwech!! You truly live to your great name. Your supreme logic and superior reasonings humiliated so-called intelligent Dinkas who tried to gang up on you on their responses to this article. The truth is Salva Kiir and the Dinkas are seriously paralyzed by fear now in Juba. This is the basis of this author’s article. Its reasonings are based on fear begging Dr. Riek Machar to forgive the current Dinkas messes in south sudan. But Salva Kiir’s political dilemmas in Juba is threatened by Kiir’s own anti-democratic tendency, not Dr. Riek Machar.

    Kiir hijacked democratic transformation because he let the politics get in the way. Democratic transformation can only be carried out wisely and effectively when politicizing military(SPLA) does not get on the way. Kiir chosed to bring military into politics in south sudan as Garang did earlier. It is politically hard to reach consensus on how to proceed peacefully during the crisis and threat caused by the Dinkas in Juba. Kiir is finished politically whether through election or violence (if he chooses) comes April 2010. Kiir’s die-hards, few blinded Dinkas loyalists are wasting their time over spilled milk. TRUST ME!! Kiir is finished! Any slight military miscalculations on his side & advisers in Juba, Kiir will be desposed by military might before 2010!! Kiir’s incompetent, tribal tactics overkilled the situation or peace in south sudan. No More b---s!! You People will be violently defeated when this military showdown break loose soon in Juba.

    Therefore, I urge Dr. Riek, Matip and others to rethink their politcal and military strategy given the military & politically intense environment in Juba. I believe south sudanese are on the verge of a military showdown in Juba. It could happen any moment. There is nothing to backdown from since this would be a great let down of south sudanese. Salva Kiir’s undemocratic tendency is responsible for the proliferation of violence among south sudanese. Kiir will be blamed for any political violence in Juba.

    As for Mr. so-called Jesoph de Tuombuk, you are simply being bombastic and downright boorish on your crackled of hatred toward Dr. Machar and the Greater Nuers. Trying to bolster your cowardic, lack of confidence bedizened with bellicose expression only betrayed your low-down aspersions. Your antipathy toward Dr. Riek & the Nuers is based on tribalism. Nothing more!!

    There would NEVER be reconciliation between the Greater Nuers and Dinka-Bor. Not with Dinka-Bor credentials that is based on born to lie attitude, it will be pretty hard to do. Dinka-Bor as a constituency is useless in south sudan. Who would want to waste his/her time with Dinka-Bors whose lives not only based on lies, but also who only cover small piece of political geography in south sudan? Stop lying to south sudanese that no democracy in rebel movement!! Any government leads by a Dinka will always be dictatorship. Dinkas are not democratic!! The Dinka-led gov’t would never give political equality or equality of opportunity or rights, period!! Dinkas led an undemocratic rebel movement. The same Dinkas are leading undemocratic established gov’t, which is not rebel gov’t now in Juba. Why are they undemocratic now? Dinkas are simply challenged by democracy, period. Stop the lies!! The Dinkas would be undemocratic even if they lead a gov’t in America or Europe. It is in their nature, not the movement or the gov’t they lead. Dinkas don’t know what political equality means!! That is why they like to rule through terror!!

    Talking about "the greatest sources of stability in the U.S and other advanced democracies". They are only stable because the gov’t respect the rule of law by respecting the constitutional rights of the citizens.

    For example, the Amendment II in the U.S Constitution says, "A well- regulated militia being neccessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". Another Amendment III says, "No soldier shall, in time of peace, be quartered in any house without the consent of owner, nor in time of war, but in the manner to be prescribed by law".

    The advanced democracies respect the rights of their citizens and the U.S specifically respects its constitutional amendments on behalf of its citizens. The Dinka-led SPLA/GOSS does not respects the rights of its citizens. Instead, it violates their rights and even takeover their lands, besides killing them, especially in Equatoria. Your unreasonable, poor comparison and analysis is an insult to true advanced democracies. Their military understands the balanced of powers and the constitutional rights of their citizens.

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    • Potential politicization of SPLA 26 October 2009 23:18, by junub

      This article is will written only the pro-Arab Nuer militia of Riek Machar and Matip are the ones who might understood it because these militia people always stood on the wrong side of angle and assumed their traitor view is accurate.

      Please will only prevail in Southern Sudan if Riek Machar is not there. This traitor militia leader is the dust man the entire compatriot of Southern Sudan don’t want to see in our government leaves alone to lead.

      Mistake actually have been done in the SPLM/A somewhere there to let two pro-Arab militia deputize the patriotic movement SPLM/A, Riek Machar as a deputy chairman of the SPLM party and vise president of GoSS as well, and primitive Matip Nhial as deputy chief of staff of the SPLA army also. But nothing impossible now as we have knew it nor is it too late to fix. It will be up to them they Riek Machar and Matip Nhial to either stepped down their position quietly for their reputations sake, or to be let stepped down the roughly the party since no one really want them in the party now.

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      • Potential politicization of SPLA 27 October 2009 03:54, by Pandit

        By Junub

        "pro-Arab Nuer militia of Riek Machar and Matip are the ones who might understood it because these militia people always stood on the wrong side of angle and assumed their traitor view is accurate.

        Please will only prevail in Southern Sudan if Riek Machar is not there. This traitor militia leader is the dust man the entire compatriot of Southern Sudan don’t want to see in our government leaves alone to lead.

        Mistake actually have been done in the SPLM/A somewhere there to let two pro-Arab militia deputize the patriotic movement SPLM/A, Riek Machar as a deputy chairman of the SPLM party and vise president of GoSS as well, and primitive Matip Nhial as deputy chief of staff of the SPLA army also. But nothing impossible now as we have knew it nor is it too late to fix. It will be up to them they Riek Machar and Matip Nhial to either stepped down their position quietly for their reputations sake, or to be let stepped down the roughly the party since no one really want them in the party now."

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  • Potential politicization of SPLA 27 October 2009 07:18, by J.James

    Hi guys

    The funny thing is that, I discovered Dinkas are the only ones who support Mr. Kiir to stay in power and the all southerners based on all those comments support Dr. Riek for president. What does that mean for Kiir and his colleaques?

    That is only what worries me guys to deat because President must get support nationally not tribally.

    God bless

    The writer watches closely.

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  • Potential politicization of SPLA 27 October 2009 08:32, by Khent

    Gatwech:

    It is clear that your post is hot air due to a penchant for wishful thinking.

    The SPLA has always been primarily constituted by the Dinka tribe- Lual Ding (alone) led a force of over 10, 000 recruits from Aweil on their way to Ethiopia. I say, that blows your 2000 figure out of the water, does it not?

    Please provide evidence regarding the SPLA’s manpower.

    Personally I don’t think you can. Even if you were not a self-righteous tribal-minded individual and a liar.

    But I offer you here a fair challenge and an opportunity to prove me wrong.

    You didn’t answer - so am I to assume that you are your own source for your claims?

    If so, then present your evidence. Otherwise present your source.

    If you have no evidence and no source, then....

    Why are we having this conversation?

    You make utterly ridiculous statements rooted in complete ignorance and devoid of even the most elementary logic, which should be within the grasp of even a small child’s mind.

    Unsubstantiated anecdotes should not be confused for evidence.It’s an interesting example of how you lie -to yourself- in order to sustain your delusions.

    You protest out of one side of your mouth, that tribalism and Human rights abuses are deplorable, and out of the other - you actually seem to condone such abuses.

    You sordidly justify attacks on Dinka civilians, on the basis that Nuer officers were murdered. Attacks on civilians cannot be justified, regardless of whether or not one’s officers were murdered.

    If attacks on one’s soldiers and officers confer license and legitimacy to kill civilians... the attacks on the Gajack Nuer civilians must have been entirely legitimate, no?

    That appears to be what you’re implying.

    How does that help you, unless your goal is to further your own humiliation?

    Let us know when you’re ready to stop playing games and start being honest.

    You are being defensive and hypocritical, in tolerating tribal attacks when it serves your agenda.

    You’re guilty of engaging in the very actions that you are attempting to accuse others of in this website.

    Ps: You are delusional if you think that facts are up for compromise.

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  • Potential politicization of SPLA 27 October 2009 08:43, by Khent

    Gatwech:

    Let’s be honest. Many Nuer who rallied to the Nasir commanders did so because they thought, that now the Nuer would rule, as the Dinka were accused of ruling before.

    Attacks by Nuer on Dinka cattle camps in eastern Bahr el Ghazal, near the border with Upper Nile, only confirmed early suspicions that the real motives of Nasir faction were tribal, whatever their public professions.

    The disintegration of Nasir faction was precipitated by the desertions of its representatives and men, en masse. All cited serious shortcomings in the "movement" in their reasons for leaving: the concentration of power in the hands of Riek, the lack of democratic institutions, and the rising level of violence against civilians. By mid-1994 Riek and the Nasir faction had failed to live up to its earlier humanitarian and democratic rhetoric.

    It had been responsible for human rights abuses and had allowed the perpetrators of abuses to go unpunished. It had NOT introduced greater democracy in its own institutions, and had made little to NO progress in the creation of administrative institutions, beyond the appointment of a short-lived appointment cabinet of ministers.

    Attempts by some commanders to create their own power bases within the faction had led to fighting between the two largest Nuer groups.

    Dr. John Garang was a hero; he re-captured the vast majority of our territory, and subsequently expanded the theatre of war to the Nuba Mountains, southern Blue Nile, Ignessa Hills and eastern Sudan.

    He also brought us the CPA-eclipsing the achievements of any other politician within the political environment; comparing the unwavering Dr. John Garang to the capricious Riek Machar (a man who received weapons and ammunition from the enemy)... is a great insult to our fallen hero.

    Ascribing anything of consequence to a man, who only regained relevance by the virtue of Dr. John Garang’s grace, victory and forgiveness... is to disregard historical truths, for ahistorical fantasies.

    It would be a joke to relinquish the VICTORIES and achievements of the victor, to the vanquished!

    The impact of the long-term reconciliation between Riek and Garang in January 2002, was muted by the fact that Riek had very few troops to bring with him. Dr. John Garang did not need Riek Machar, as you so foolishly believe.

    Riek’s lasting legacy is the fomenting of civil war among the Nuer, and handling the oil-fields over to the government.

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  • Potential politicization of SPLA 27 October 2009 08:50, by Khent

    thieleling:

    Do you recall (in 1999) when 80, 000 Nuer civilians were forcibaly removed from the oil-fields by Paulino Matip Nhial, in which they fled to Bahr el Ghazel?

    Do you remember that? Do you remember the humanity and generosity the Dinka displayed?

    The point is not necessarily to convince a person such as yourself, in denial, to see objective material presented, but for the understanding of the perceptive.

    It’s amazing to witness the human mind in the process of confusing itself over something simple, via self inflicted misdirection, convolution and irrational hogwash.

    I implore you to educate yourself in order to think critically, so that you can distinguish fact from fiction, and theory from lunacy.

    The very act of continuing your futile plea only demonstrates that there is NO ESCAPE for you.

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    • Potential politicization of SPLA 28 October 2009 12:13, by superior Junibi

      Thieleling,

      You can wind, cry, conspire, and reinstate hatred against dinka but at the end, dinka end up winning. When shit hit the pants in the 1991 Bor massacre, Riek and his forces were bitterly defeated and this criminal ran to Khartoum for refuge. This time I don’t know were he and his new aly matips] will hide. You mentally slaves Nuers will never set us back again like you did in 1991. Riek is a curse to the people and should never be allowed to lead!!!. If Riek is the only leader Nuer could produce, then Dinka and the rest of the tribes will continue to lead and liberate you. Dinkas are peace loving people who after all your setbacks, had offered everything they have to liberated your slaves minded people.

      Riek is not a good leader for the following reasons:

      1) If Riek rebelled in 1991 to fight for human rights, why did he with his 10,000 troops launched a war in Bor where none of the garang troops or the SPLA soldiers were not in stationed? He should have attacked Garang head quarters to deal with him militarily other then butchering civilians. He hate dinka!!!!!

      2) Riek is selfcenter, that after he got defeated, he ran to Khartoum leaving his scattered soldiers and the Lou nuer vulnerable to Dinka fighters. He saved his life and leaved those he was using to carryout his evil deed to be killed by Dinka victors. Don’t you think he will do the same to his new loyalists? Trust me, I witness the whole 1991 saga!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      3)Riek tried to unite indicted Ugandan warlord with Museveni, and gave them thousands of dollars mean while thousands of Sudanese are not getting their salaries or could not meet their basic needs. He did it for his known ego," a peace maker" which he thought will boost his deformed records.

      Every government has its challenges and this current SPLA government is facing critical ones which I think we should be patient and give the chance to lead us to our destiny. Dinkas will never betray you. Trust them and you will get your selfdetermination in a golden plate. long live south sudan

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