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By Manyang Mayom

October 3, 2009 (JUBA) – The clashes yesterday in Bentiu between bodyguards of the Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the SPLA and other SPLA soldiers were purely an SPLA affair, and no tribalism or local politics are connected with the issue, said the official spokesman of the SPLA.

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Unity state Governor Taban Deng Gai

Yesterday’s clashes occurred between men under the command of Paulino Matip and others under the command of Governor Taban Deng.

The SPLA spokesman’s remarks underscore an effort to downplay local rivalries and ethnic tensions, which historically have deeply affected the internal cohesion of the SPLA.

Governor Taban is seen as an influential governor in the semi-autonomous region. His state accounts for an estimated 80 percent of all the oil drilled in southern Sudan, of which a 2% share of revenue is received by state authorities.

But Paulino Matip, a powerful former militia leader and now deputy commander-in-chief of SPLA, accuses Taban of trying to lure his men out of his control with state money. He declined to meet yesterday with Nuer elders who were seeking to mediate a solution between him and the governor.

Speaking at a press conference in Juba, Major General Kuol Deim Kuol, the Sudan People’s Liberation Army (SPLA) official spokesman, confirmed that the clashes in Bentiu of Unity state are purely an SPLA affair.

Kuol explained that clashes erupted in Bentiu on October 2 at about 1:30 pm, due to a misunderstanding in the town of Bentiu between the SPLA soldiers guarding the headquarters of SPLA Deputy Commander-in-Chief Paulino Matip on the one hand and the SPLA soldiers guarding the headquarters of the Governor of Unity State on the other hand.

Kuol affirmed that “the casualties resulted in a toll of 12 SPLA soldiers killed from the both sides including an officer with rank of major and 17 SPLA soldiers were wounded; four civilians were killed in the crossfire and four others were wounded.”

The commander of the SPLA Infantry 4th Division deployed in Unity State has intervened and managed to control the situation since yesterday evening, said the spokesman. Kuol also added that Bentiu is now calm.

Kuol noted that “the SPLA General Headquarter is sending to Bentiu today the 3rd of October, 2009, a high delegation led by SPLA Deputy Chief of General Operations, Lt. Gen. Obuto Mamur Mete, to launch the immediate investigation of the incident so that all the culprits are brought to book.”

The incident highlights the difficult work that SPLA has faced to integrate and cooperate with former militia elements, including the forces of Paulino Matip. The absorption of these elements was mandated by the 2005 north-south peace agreement.

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  • 4 October 2009 07:05, by Jeremiah Mach

    This is a good step to calm down the situation, SPLM led-governemnt must increases its effort to help transform the SPLA forces to modern army loyal to the State not to the generals in charge. The State employ and pays them including their generals. It is unpatriotic for those who celeberate when forces loyal to Gen. Matip and governor Taban clashes in Bentiu just because the two are Nuers, that will not bring us, even a penny in South Sudan. we must consolidate our unity and look on what united us than what divided us.

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    • 4 October 2009 08:25, by Gatwech

      Dear readers,

      Yes, it is true that tribal fighting in the South is widespread in almost every state and it involves many different tribes. GOSS should be doing something about these mad communities in an honest and fair way. It should not apply discriminatory policies that favor certain tribes and negatively target others. The Lou-Nuer incident was interpreted by GOSS leadership to suit its tribal intentions. Yes, the Lou-Nuer revenge attacks on Duk Padiet targeted government institutions. But was it something new? Agaar-Dinka recently targeted SPLA and Police convoys using RPGs and destroyed some of them. Was that not against the government property and forces? The Nyarweng-Dinka of Duk targeted Lou-Nuer Wildlife and Police officers, traders, teachers, agriculturalists, money for salaries, etc in their truck outside Duk county headquarters, killing several of them. Was that not an attack against the government personnel and money? The Bor-Dinka targeted SPLA officers, killing even a Colonel from Lou-Nuer inside Bor town. Was that not a target against the SPLA army?

      It is however funny that the GOSS leadership in Juba has turned tribal. Yesterday as I was watching South Sudan satellite TV (SSTV) I was surprised that the tribal leadership including the President, Salva Kiir, minister of Information Paul Mayom and the SPLA Spokesman, Kuol Diem Kuol, and someone called Alaak, etc were very busy making noises about the fighting between bodyguards of Paulino Matip and Taban Deng Gai in Bentiu, Unity state. They mobilized the local, national and international media to maximize the incidence because it involved something to do with the Nuer. They wanted the Nuer to be seen as the spoilers of peace in South Sudan. So they got that chance to tell to any body what had happened in Bentiu. Paulino Matip and Taban Deng Gai were not in Bentiu during the incidence. Taban had gone to Europe while Paulino Matip was in Juba. But the tribal leadership wanted it to sound like something directly involving those two Nuer figures despite the fact that it simply started as a quarrel between their two bodyguards in Bentiu.

      And why these unblessed tribal leaders would be only interested in conflicts between Nuer figures in the first place? Why were they not interested in the Warrap state conflict between Salva Kiir Mayardit and Salva Mathok Geng-dit that fitted Aguok and Apuk Dinka clans which fought using heavy artilleries? Why they were not interested to mobilize the Media to magnify the Khorfulus/Atar conflict between General Gier Chuang Aluong and General George Athor? These two Khorfulus/Atar bitter opponents could not be reconciled successfully in that mad Jonglei state of Kuol Manyang. They had to be brought here to Malakal for our state government intervention that gave birth to their successful reconciliation. Also why not interested in conflicts among politicians of Lakes state which involves Daniel Awet Akot, Paul Mayom and Deng Athorbei, etc?

      Unsurprisingly and interestingly, they all kept quiet about this similar deadly fighting between the Bor-Dinka and Mundari communities which killed almost the same number of people as in the Bentiu incidence and happened at the same time (Friday) with that of the Bentiu incidence. This Bor-Dinka and Mundari fighting also occurred close to the capital, Juba, and as reported, resulted to the closure of Juba-Bor road. The tribal leadership did not rush to call it a fighting between communities of Kuol Manyang Juuk and Clement Wani Konga.

      These tribal leaders were ashamed to talk about it because it involved the Bor-Dinka who carried out the attack against Mundaris. They did not want the public to hear about it to avoid the chance of Bor-Dinka community being seen as provocative and spoilers of peace that implements the interests of Khartoum, which is their preferred description of any incidence involving the Nuer. What a tribal incompetent leadership!

      This poor tactic is a cheap propaganda always resorted to by failed ruling tribal cliques every where in the world. They turn into a chieftaincy and that is what happens with the GOSS tribal leadership. They are panicking about the inevitable! They are desperate looking for any means to spoil the name of the Nuer, their most feared adversary, and this has always been both their daydream as well as their nightmare. There was a conspiracy of silence on this ugly and deadly fighting between the Bor-Dinka and Mundari. And this is to save the image of Bor-Dinka, but destroy the image of Bul-Nuer in Bentiu. Very interesting indeed!

      What a tribal incompetent leadership in both GOSS and SPLA! They think the public readers and viewers are fools whom they can just mobilize to hate the Nuer when every body knows which tribe leads GOSS in this corruption, thievery, lack of development, lack of political direction, cowardice to face elections, deterioration of insecurity, tribal conflicts, etc. Even if they want to hide any fighting that does not involve the Nuer and rush to talk about any fighting that involves the Nuer, the public knows them better. They can run but they cannot hide. “Ci wec ku ruac kaap.” Athooow!

      By Tut Gatwech, Malakal, South Sudan

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      • 4 October 2009 10:56, by Jonglei Kuereng

        Hi Gatwech

        It seem you have been recycling the same artical every where. It look to me like you would not get any better than this. Any way I have been reading all your comment and one thing I like about you is your analytical skill and you gotta be consistent. But one thing that I don’t like is the comment about tribe. I like your analysis regarding the comment about the referendum. I wish if everyone who comment on his website refrain from tibal debate and focus on the current trand.

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      • 4 October 2009 11:04, by Deng Yak L

        Mr. Gawech i thought that, you are educated man and understandable person who can distinguish bad from good , but now you have disqualified yourself here in the media due to your comments , why do you turn thing upside down.

        H.E president and others Ministers were not happy and they are not happy about this inccident they are true leaders , they don’t segregate people like your militias leaders who usually like to kills and create problem where there is peace. Mr. Kiir and his executive are not happy about the inccident, but they are trying to get solution about your cattle minded people, please let me tell you this , where there is nuer there is a problem and where there is problem there is nuer, this is well known internationally all over the world , only few nuer are good , so Garwech you behave like educated man don’t try to create missunderstanding

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        • 4 October 2009 14:37, by Fascola

          Brother Deng
          you are looking like a president advisor, or Government Advisor, because you are defencing them.I want to tell you this:you are totally wrong, and nothing, because you are now getting the good salary many of Dollars, travelling every where, enjoying yourself. and now you are talking about educated and understandable people. where are the solutions you are talking about?? you dont know that these problems, fighting, triblsm, and others are have many years?? people are killing themselves, where are these leaders you are talking about??
          you know we have to accepth that SPLM falt to lead Southern Sudan.that why our people daiying and killing each other evry months.

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    • 4 October 2009 10:39, by samuel_kur@yahoo.ca

      Sir: Gatwech

      I don’t think some one’s else is tribalism with out including you.
      Why, I’m saying that, because i never read your comment with out mentioning any thing related to tribe.

      I wish you should sit by your self and think,and ask your self if there is any state of tribe in the world? I don’t think there is any of that its available. So that a state should be a collective of diversity nations.

      What is better to do currently is to preach about living in peace in a harmony with our brothers in south generally, if there are some people who misuse their power to make them recognize their errors.

      I may agree with you for availability of corruption in south currently, i don’t think its related to any tribalism.
      What i know in my point of view, south of Sudan needs too things to be fix,and that is refers to the lack of civilization even PHD holders in the south they don’t understand the meaning of civil and public services,they just know their cousins even in one tribe they specialize their efforts to the family. if they know they should respect their positions in the government with out specializing any public services to specific families.
      I am telling you this as one of dinka tribe, but i don’t get any benefit as i hear from different tribes, that dinka are the south Sudan government dominance.

      Despite of this i don’t point any finger to any of other dinka clans as dominance.

      What i will do is to cook my own food and stay before my house if somebody will come and take it away from me.

      Brother Gatwech we should be honest towards our country future, for how long will we stay under others people, who we don’t share any culture with them.
      It is best to speak generally at our errors, as we one day may become in charge of that government, after the mess we did for our own government.

      Please, we shouldn’t go far in dividing our nations, if we do not know that, we are primitives who do not know their heads and feed.

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    • 4 October 2009 11:42, by Rambang Deng

      Taban Deng Gai’s real name is Taban Hussein Ali. We Nuers are so generous that we let all non Nuers enjoy lives to the fullest in our land. This was the policy which make us a major tribe in Sudan. But that was then. Today, Taban Hussein Ali (Deng Gai) and recent Dinka converts must go back to their roots or else we the Nuer will put them somewhere dark with no access to Kiir.

      Rambang Deng

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  • 4 October 2009 07:15, by Dinka Boy

    Dear brothers and sisters,
    What is the reasons why Matip and many others have their own Militia separate from the SPLA?.
    I don,t get it.

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    • 4 October 2009 08:00, by Rambang Deng

      Dinka Boy;

      Let me take the pain, atleast for today, of trying to explain to somebody like you with limited language capability.

      Lt.General Paulino Matib Nhial has no militia of his own, but like many military leaders around the world, or particularly in this case, Sudan, has a headquarter where his body guards based in his home State of Unity, Greater Uppper Nile, South Sudan.

      Lt.Gen Matib’s and Gov Taban’s body guards argued and it lead to a fight where unfortunately some people lost their lives. This is what I and others who are living in Bentiu town know about this incident.

      You have been going around since yesterday, calling Nuers "slaves". Does our name, Nuers, means ’slave’ in your Jaang (Dinka) language?

      I don’t want to argue about that because the Europeans knew who sold their kids to Arabs for food.

      Rambang Deng

      Bentiu, Unity State

      South Sudan

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      • 4 October 2009 08:38, by Dinka Boy

        Dear Rabang Deeng,

        Mr Limited langauge, i read the article yesterday ,and i made some commends on it last night.
        My friend, let me tell you either that i never ever called Nuer "Slave". The word Slave was randomly used by Kim Deng, Thieliny, Gatwech, and you yourself toward Dinka.
        Please stop being a liar, and if you doubted then checked all my commends and cross check for the word Slave.

        Second, I really asked why Matip and many others have their own militia in SS.
        I want to let you know that matip has his own militia separate from SPLA. Please Checked Matip militia in juba, they have their own little huts in juba and they are not combined with the SPLA.

        Matip soldiers must be combine with SPLA and that would avoid him from that groups. Matip nephew has his own militia, Chebetek Mabil has Militia too. Why are they forming several militia.
        I thought that we have only Southern Sudan, its weird for them to formed these Militia.

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    • 4 October 2009 13:23, by son of Lou

      Dinka Boy.
      One simple explaining to your question is to assure you that SPLA itself is very discriminated Army. They are so picky and never loyal or confident to someone who sign a deal with them. That is the only problem. Matip have signed a peace deal with Kiir in 2006, agreeing that his forces will be combine with SPLA, but the SPLA forces kept rejecting the Matip forces, and at the same time kept calling them malitia, Nyagats, and names like that, how would you cope with people who intimidate you days and night without an aparent reason like that?

      Only people who have never been in the SPLA army can disagree with me. I am a SPLA army myself _Mat 2. but I really don’t like the way my Comrades treats others. That is not a way to expand, but a way to limit our trust from others and more precisely a way of stupidity.

      Son of Lou Nuer.

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      • 4 October 2009 14:45, by Deng Yak L

        Mr. Son of Lou Nuer you are really Son of Lou Nuer I agreed with you , the way you have written you comment it is the way Lou Behave, Please better for you to know this in your mind, there was no peace signed between Matip forces and SPLA forces, but only intergration of Matip forces to SPLA. don’t just think in wrong way, this is the way Lou Nuer missunderstood things, please be a good listener and writer, don’t write wrong explanation to the educated people .

        according to peace agreement it is three (3) army forces were and are allowed to operat, let me tell you their names

        1. Sudan Army Force (SAF) for Arab
        2. Sudan people Liberatin Army(SPLA)
        3. Joint Intergrated Unit (JIU) which compose of SPLA and SAF soldiers , please can you tell me the article which indicated that, matip signed peace with SPLM/A and if the peace is not implemented then Matip should take an action , tell me if it is there, but if not then Lou Nuer Son you are big troubler maker in this nation. why do you support malitia while the leader of Malitia are not from Lou Nuer, this is really bad and it shown that you are followers of others Nuer not because you are strong people.

        Your Koth Ngondeng said that, Lou Nuer should be the last loser after civil war , he continue saying Lou Nuer should be the loser because they are greedy people who like looting so for that, Lou Nuer Should be punished by almighty God , so please Son of Lou Nuer your people are trying to messup every thing but it is the time which Your Koth Ngondeng said , that is why you are going up and down trying to destory every in the country.

        Mathon Mathon

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    • 5 October 2009 17:58, by ramiran

      Mr Dinka Boy,you can not know this because you need only Dinka to have soldiers in South Sudan.those soldiers of Paulon Matip no body will try to remove them from him , we all agree.
      by Ramiran nath

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  • 4 October 2009 07:40, by oshay

    Get your trigger happy, drunk, undisciplined SPLA thugs under control before you really anger Paulino Matip and we return back to the 90s when he was whopping your asses all over the South.

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  • 4 October 2009 08:26, by Gatwech

    Dear readers,

    Yes, it is true that tribal fighting in the South is widespread in almost every state and it involves many different tribes. GOSS should be doing something about these mad communities in an honest and fair way. It should not apply discriminatory policies that favor certain tribes and negatively target others. The Lou-Nuer incident was interpreted by GOSS leadership to suit its tribal intentions. Yes, the Lou-Nuer revenge attacks on Duk Padiet targeted government institutions. But was it something new? Agaar-Dinka recently targeted SPLA and Police convoys using RPGs and destroyed some of them. Was that not against the government property and forces? The Nyarweng-Dinka of Duk targeted Lou-Nuer Wildlife and Police officers, traders, teachers, agriculturalists, money for salaries, etc in their truck outside Duk county headquarters, killing several of them. Was that not an attack against the government personnel and money? The Bor-Dinka targeted SPLA officers, killing even a Colonel from Lou-Nuer inside Bor town. Was that not a target against the SPLA army?

    It is however funny that the GOSS leadership in Juba has turned tribal. Yesterday as I was watching South Sudan satellite TV (SSTV) I was surprised that the tribal leadership including the President, Salva Kiir, minister of Information Paul Mayom and the SPLA Spokesman, Kuol Diem Kuol, and someone called Alaak, etc were very busy making noises about the fighting between bodyguards of Paulino Matip and Taban Deng Gai in Bentiu, Unity state. They mobilized the local, national and international media to maximize the incidence because it involved something to do with the Nuer. They wanted the Nuer to be seen as the spoilers of peace in South Sudan. So they got that chance to tell to any body what had happened in Bentiu. Paulino Matip and Taban Deng Gai were not in Bentiu during the incidence. Taban had gone to Europe while Paulino Matip was in Juba. But the tribal leadership wanted it to sound like something directly involving those two Nuer figures despite the fact that it simply started as a quarrel between their two bodyguards in Bentiu.

    And why these unblessed tribal leaders would be only interested in conflicts between Nuer figures in the first place? Why were they not interested in the Warrap state conflict between Salva Kiir Mayardit and Salva Mathok Geng-dit that fitted Aguok and Apuk Dinka clans which fought using heavy artilleries? Why they were not interested to mobilize the Media to magnify the Khorfulus/Atar conflict between General Gier Chuang Aluong and General George Athor? These two Khorfulus/Atar bitter opponents could not be reconciled successfully in that mad Jonglei state of Kuol Manyang. They had to be brought here to Malakal for our state government intervention that gave birth to their successful reconciliation. Also why not interested in conflicts among politicians of Lakes state which involves Daniel Awet Akot, Paul Mayom and Deng Athorbei, etc?

    Unsurprisingly and interestingly, they all kept quiet about this similar deadly fighting between the Bor-Dinka and Mundari communities which killed almost the same number of people as in the Bentiu incidence and happened at the same time (Friday) with that of the Bentiu incidence. This Bor-Dinka and Mundari fighting also occurred close to the capital, Juba, and as reported, resulted to the closure of Juba-Bor road. The tribal leadership did not rush to call it a fighting between communities of Kuol Manyang Juuk and Clement Wani Konga.

    These tribal leaders were ashamed to talk about it because it involved the Bor-Dinka who carried out the attack against Mundaris. They did not want the public to hear about it to avoid the chance of Bor-Dinka community being seen as provocative and spoilers of peace that implements the interests of Khartoum, which is their preferred description of any incidence involving the Nuer. What a tribal incompetent leadership!

    This poor tactic is a cheap propaganda always resorted to by failed ruling tribal cliques every where in the world. They turn into a chieftaincy and that is what happens with the GOSS tribal leadership. They are panicking about the inevitable! They are desperate looking for any means to spoil the name of the Nuer, their most feared adversary, and this has always been both their daydream as well as their nightmare. There was a conspiracy of silence on this ugly and deadly fighting between the Bor-Dinka and Mundari. And this is to save the image of Bor-Dinka, but destroy the image of Bul-Nuer in Bentiu. Very interesting indeed!

    What a tribal incompetent leadership in both GOSS and SPLA! They think the public readers and viewers are fools whom they can just mobilize to hate the Nuer when every body knows which tribe leads GOSS in this corruption, thievery, lack of development, lack of political direction, cowardice to face elections, deterioration of insecurity, tribal conflicts, etc. Even if they want to hide any fighting that does not involve the Nuer and rush to talk about any fighting that involves the Nuer, the public knows them better. They can run but they cannot hide. “Ci wec ku ruac kaap.” Athooow!

    By Tut Gatwech, Malakal, South Sudan

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    • 4 October 2009 09:50, by monyjang chol

      nuer/yik/slaves this is nuer occupational practice as oppose to wat kim deng said.nuer where known as "yik’ in dinka language which mean constructors.they use to contruct ’luak’ and were paid with food in the past by dinka.so to fuckin kim deng, you are disgrace to the nuer community by calling their masters dinkas to, be slave.shame on you nuer people, don’t you get a shame of those six scars on your forhead?. that is why dinka call you "dinka six" since you broke the first six commandment with those scars.

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      • 4 October 2009 09:55, by Dinka Boy

        Haaaaaaa, I like what you said mr Monyjang chol.

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    • 4 October 2009 09:59, by maburuk

      your blind obedience is likely to mislead you. the topic is about Matip forces and Taban Deng (governors) force.
      Not Dinka.

      this to some extent proof your biasiness.there is no reason for insulting Dinka when your people are the ones fighting themseves.

      it is like you take Dinaka as your lunch and supper.
      please take care! even the blade of elephant grass can cut you.

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      • 4 October 2009 10:37, by luka Garang Kenyang

        Very sad news for such erupted clashes occured within and between two top officials of main Government like this, atrocious is kind of outlet of what colours we are, we as southerners can not be effective and sufficient in our leading, but that thing is not true SPLA still very strong to defeate and defended the southern Sudan as well as sudan whole. Let SPLA tackle militias of CPA enemies which are not happy with Southern Sudan driving to be country of it owns. Co-existence with former militias will be very difficulty to move on with them in well organizes government, Militias have no laws that guidance them excepted being so hatre to them and strictly confined them within and stop them from their militias ideology activities in the government,and that is a only way SPLA can deal with this groups very special way of treated the Militias leaders. Otherwise, we will recover very difficulty way and maintaining the control will not be easy at such.

        Luka

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        • 4 October 2009 11:11, by John Boy

          Hello SPLA SPOKESMAN

          These civilian were not killed in a crossfire as you said they killed intentionally by governor troop, can you tell me the reason why the governor troop rushed the civilian by artillary guns (Dapbabe) like dogs there must be a reason this stupid Arab son influence by Salva Kiir to killing Nuer tribe of unity state .

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    • 4 October 2009 12:30, by mathem jech amer

      Gatwech

      I didn’t want to talk today, but persuaded me to do so. My question is, "Do you really understand and read the article before posting your comments?’. I read all the articles and found that you copied and pasted the same comment on unrelevant article. I think you were helped by someone else to frame it.

      Jech Amer, the concerned citizen.

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    • 6 October 2009 00:49, by Moses Kuocgoor

      Dear friend, your response is too outrage that people could not understand what you are talking about in your writing. You look very discouraged on what happened among Nuer tribe in Southern Sudan. I believe you are the most primitive person I have ever seen in my life. You expect Nuer to attack Dinka and other minority tribes in Southern Sudan and do not want to see these mad men turning against each other. The gang tribe is the most dangerous on earth. They do not excuse themselves even if they know that they are one group. What makes them gang will also make them fight each other. In your writing, you said that these two men who were fighting over 2% were not present during the conflict. Who do you think could convince on what you said. According to the local source, these two men were there hiding themselves and you said they were not there. You should not tell the readers lies in the media. I advise you to go and unite your mad tribesmen to stop harassing the power of Unity State government. Stop telling lies!

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  • 4 October 2009 10:54, by Gatwech

    Dear readers,

    I also blame both South Sudan Radio and SSTV for their silence and accepting to be used by politicians. This is compromising their professionalism and can be seen not doing their job. They should have aired the Bor-Dinka/Mundari incidence, the Mundri raiders incidence as they did to the Bentiu incidence if they were really doing their job.

    Not mentioning the tribal newspaper (The Citizens) of Nhial Bol that publishes only articles written by Dinka authors on the internet and avoids articles by non-Dinkas. Now newspaper buyers avoid his tribal newspaper and instead buy from other newspapers such as Khartoum Monitor, Juba Post, etc.

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    • 4 October 2009 18:41, by Muor-cinkok Tungawan

      Mr Gatwech, you are mad guy, keeping attacks right and left will not make it easy for you to get an access to the leaderships of south because career cannot change easily, if you are singer then you should remained singer.in my view ,I understand you are frustrate and abusive person who don’t know where to go, you will remain as you are for the rest of your live time because you will be monitored in our affairs for ever at least you make possible coup as you expected. I believe Nuer (Nuer-pan-nyan-toc) are stronger community in the South but they have been destroy by you migrants Eritrean who always talks out of mind in the affairs of Southern Sudan. I don’t know how you categorised yourselves, you are virus of southern Sudan progress due to lack of capabilities and scene of communication, when it come to approaching Southern people. The police men you mentioned that they were attacked by Dinka –Rumbek youth where gangs and mad militias who engaged Southern Sudan communities in destruction since the formation of SPLA. Your comparison has no scene to our advance community to your community who have nothings to maintain them either to eats or to stay in their places. This militias where purposely going to looted locals business money to ease their dying time which they cross desert without food and because effective business men, they quick respond decisively to protect themselves from you NUER Gangs. Gat-monkey, your wish is only to see disasters and genecide occurring in Southern Sudan but as we are real Southern Sudanese, we will not accept to be push by unknown figures as you believe bad things in South.
      Remember, in the histories, we always stand firm against aggressions toward Southern Sudan since the histories of Sudan, if not ,ask your mother,Gatcat;for example our community had challenged and taught you a lesson during your un-constitutional moments in 1991 because of inexperience militias and who were expected to lead . Gatmonkey, what you telling your community are clear style of madness that can lead to full defeating .Reaching to violence in south to get into leaderships is not an alternative for our situation in the Southern. What you blind people doing is complete an indication of surrendered us to Arab ideals that Sudan could be united again without principles to be follows like Addis-ababa accord

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  • 4 October 2009 22:46, by thieleling

    Brother Kim Deng, Gatwech & others,

    The Dinkas did not understand why Nuer’s Will Power and Superior self-confidence would always triumph over Dinka’s fearful and cowardic attitude. Unless Dinkas understand this, peace would never prevail between the two. That is why they are whining over spilt milk. The situation will only remain tense with the power of myth & their lies.

    There is time for negotiations and time for fight. This is NOT time for negotiations. The risk of all out war between the Dinkas and Nuers is not just dangerous, it is real and it would happen. The actions of any Nuer who wastes his/her time with the Dinkas amounts to appeasement. I am a realist and I said "shit" happens. Dinka tribalism cannot be nursed for so long in south sudan. 1972 is 37 years ago or so and south sudanese are sick of this tribalism.

    Inevitably, the all out war will occur between the Nuers & Dinkas in south sudan. There is unbelievable open hostilities between the two since 1983. Many people now focused on who had fired the first shot in their minor skirmishes since 1983. They forgot to see and focus on the looming dangerous war between these two cousins. Both Dinkas & Nuers should quit saying so & so attack was not justified. The guy who fired the first shot and the guy who provoked the fire are both in this together. None of them is an umpire.

    What was not justifiable by any means is the open Dinkas tribalism not only against the Nuers, but also against other south sudanese. This is the roots cause of the next coming war among south sudanese. The origin of the war or the culmination point of so much hostilities that increase tensions, provocations and incidents went back to centuries before though.

    The Dinkas enslavemment by the Nuers during the "NUER CONQUEST" was the source of shame for Dinkas. They lost much of their land & manhood. the Dinkas should also blame their own weak defenses because they were also enslaved by Europeans & Arabs. They were too submissive to Europeans at that time while the Greater Nuers & Greater Equatorians, specifically the Azande were figting fiercely to resist the Europeans.

    so, the current Dinka tribalism was an attempt both by Abel & Garang’s ambitions to impose their Dinka low self-esteem to influence south sudan and rewrite Dinka’s ugly history of enslavement by both the Nuers & the Europeans. See, the Dinkas obsession to rewrite history against the Nuers is at the heart of their tribalism today.

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    The Hague tribunal, ICC, and other local and international human rights organizations are symbols to make justice the ultimate goal, but they do not prevent the onslaughts. The Dinka’s ultimate goal is power, not justice in south sudan. So, the war is imminent to breakout.

    The international organizations will only ask questions after the facts. The Rwanda is a good example. Our cousins, the Tutsi defended and liberated themselves and Rwanda from Hutus genocidaire regime and defeated it single handledly. This is what is going to happen in south sudan between the Nuers & the Dinkas.

    The Truth & Reconciliation, the world court, will then make their soundbite after the facts. Tutsi promptly claimed undisputed power & authority through blood & iron after fighting off the genocidaire gov’t. Who is to blame? I leave that to your judgement.

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    So, the GREATER NUER with its 3 states, the Liech State, the Bie State & Latjor State would plan the "MUT" accodingly. This will not be a genocidal war but a contest of war between brothers. It will be illegal , but our fearful & cowardic cousins, the Dinkas invite the mess. So, let settle it once & for all.

    1991 was not a tribal split and those nationalists would not be involve in this purely hegemonic war. This tribal supremacy & hegemonic war will be to settle the debate among the extremists, it is not for weak and faint-hearted!!

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    • 5 October 2009 13:02, by Flora Tong

      Why do we call it unity state and it all divided? I guess these people lack reasoning. These clashes do not make any sense.

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    • 5 October 2009 18:41, by David Deng Makuei Nhial

      You are sick Theileling or who ever you call yourslef. Dinka Bor are people full united with sence of situational judgement not like Nuer who survve of animal raiding from one other, in Bor there is civic education which teach all young on how to behave in a responsible manner, a yuong man of 10 years old from Dink is same as 50 years old Nuer. E.g Nuer lou raided Jokeny etc. May you visit any psychotrics unit near you and you will be cure from that illness forever before posting your dirty ideas on this web.

      If you think Nuer can lead this country no point blank, no Nuer will lead pray for Dr. Riek/ destructor for he got this chance of being vice president, that is the last. If you are talking of war and destruction , I would ask to consult Dr destructor to tell you what had he ever gained when defected from SPLA in 1991 and what brought him back to SPLM/A before you start your Anyanya three.

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      Mr.Thieleling

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