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July 12, 2009 (WASHINGTON) — A number of Sudanese girls including Southerners were arrested by police last week on charges that they violated the public dress code, one of them told Sudan Tribune today.

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Photo showing Lubna Hussein’s clothing when arrested by Public Order Police

Lubna Hussein, a journalist and a public information officer at the UN Mission in Sudan (UNMIS) was one of nine girls taken by the Public Order Police (POP) on Sunday from a ballroom in an area east of Khartoum.

The only thing in common between all those taken into custody was that they were wearing trousers, she said.

Hussein said they found four girls ahead of them waiting for interrogation by a judge in Al-Sagana court.

Among the detained were four from Southern Sudan, three of whom were under the age of eighteen, she added.

The Sudanese journalist said that no representatives from the Non-Muslims commission were present considering that the Southern girls were Christians.

The arrests took place under the Criminal Penal Code which states that anyone wearing “grossly clothing” shall be punished with no more than 40 lashes or a fine or both.

Ten out of the thirteen girls ended up receiving 10 lashes and fined 250 Sudanese pounds while the remaining three asked for their lawyers to be present and as such their cases were transferred to the deputy prosecutor.

Hussein said that some of the girls admitted guilt to the judge without appearing to be aware of its implications. She said that one girl told her that she just wanted to “get this over with”.

The Sudanese journalist said that the application of this section of the criminal penal code is damaging to a girl’s reputation in the Sudanese society.

She disclosed that one of the girls was “so terrified” before the judge that she urinated on herself.

Her case is yet to be heard before court.

Last year a senior police officer in South Sudan capital of Juba was sacked after he ordered a crackdown on young women wearing tight trousers.

Southern Sudan unlike the North is not governed by Islamic Shari’a law.

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  • 13 July 2009 05:59, by oshay

    If you want to live in the North you must adhere to its Islamic principles and most of all its Islamic Sharia law. If you do not like this then the Secular southern Sudan has enough room to accommodate you.

    Sudan is not the West and there should not be this arrogant hegemony that whatever the West does it right and whatever the East does is wrong. Western civilization has massacred tens of millions with its blind arrogance. People fully know the law, if you do not dress modestly according to Sudanese standards there will be consequences, it’s silly to commit a crime and pretend like you’re the victim.

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    • 13 July 2009 06:19, by Ayuen Buol mum

      I think , this a violation of personal liberties because dressing is not a public other than personal. Sudan really is geting worsen, and would be stil in the list of terrorist and human right violation. if wearing a long pant considering a crime while people are dying in all part of the country than I think Bashir is not doing enough job about being a president of the country.

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    • 13 July 2009 06:39, by Metabolic

      Dear Oshay,

      Your reply has indeed touched the consciousness of Sudanese people everywhere irrespective of what the believe or practice. One may wonders who are we in the Sudan to be police of God and when did we become the soldiers of God to punish those who choose to do what the deem fit for themselves? Paradoxically, let me make myself clear that Sudan is still one country even if the South and Darfur or the rest of marginalized pheripheries of the Sudan will go their own way. It is truly alarming and a wake up call to those who think they can improve callous NIF regime or elements who labored hard to abort the CPA.It is not very surprising to see to it that a religion, which is defend by swords and violence will cease to be called God’s faith some days. I will stop here on the hope that the SPLM/SPLA but not useless NIF sidekick called SPLM-DC, will take a very strong and bold stance on what happened yesterday. It is completely unexceptable and the people’s Movement must warn the NIF diehard supporters that they need to restraint from using the state apparatus as their tool of terror. The taxes which the Sudanese people paid and the arms they support wholeheartedly should not be use to execute NIF bigotry and halfhearted nationalism. The CPA made it clear and point blank that the outdated Islamic law in whatever form should never be apply to none Muslim irrespective they walk naked in streets of Omdurman or Khartoum let alone is a pretext to sow discord among Sudanese people.

      Metabolic

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      • 13 July 2009 11:31, by mohamad adam

        though i do condemn the act of police speciali for the ctistian girls and i do bleave that dressing has nothing to do with peoples morals and the law is against peoples right s and freedom of expression of their culture because dressing is part of some ones culture
        in south sudan i have never seen a woman or a yong girl being punished because of her dressing when you consider that most of our sisters in south sudan they use the toab muslims or it is known as islamic attire iam sorry and i regret it though iam a strong faithfull muslim
        dressing according to that code does not mean the girl or women as general ar perfect because 99% of the harlots in the norh are decentli dreesd
        take it easy yon girls

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    • 13 July 2009 09:16, by Sala Gai

      Khartuom your stupidity will not control all country to be Islamic sharia law it was asign in the CPA that Southern will never be juge to your sharia law,we are willing to manage our ladies in the South not you idoit and Islamic that will post people do what you are not supost to do for right.

      Your idoit and stupidity Bashir will not match with us.
      I think SPLM should see that matter for resting our ladies for right.

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    • 13 July 2009 11:22, by Hillary B.M.L,M

      oshay,

      soon no one will dare to waste time conversing with you. because your secrete is known to me, to prove that, last night i show you cleaning in the HOUSE of Omer Albashier and U are one of Shuluk Boys by Tribe who were brought by Omer in Nasser in 1986, can you disprove me.
      Back to real argument, the beating (lash) is not acceptable even for the Muslim Girls because it is bad to prevent someone from her\his right of being a human. This Quru’an is not the one of Prophet Mohammad but coined by you, you made adjustment in some verses of Qura’an.

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    • 13 July 2009 14:13, by sufiya

      I understand your frustration with the imperalistic notions from the west.However, the issue here is whether the women is wearing provocative clothing and whether it is justifiable for her to receive 10 lashes and to be fined 250 Sudanese pounds. Don’t mix politics with justice.

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      • 13 July 2009 14:40, by Hillary B.M.L,M

        why not that justice you are talking of be done in Durfur?

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      • 13 July 2009 14:46, by Hillary B.M.L,M

        Mr.Idiot, why not that justice you are talking of be done Darfur ?

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    • 13 July 2009 14:43, by Walter

      Dear Oshay!

      I do not live in Sudan and I may be a man you would describe as ’the blind arrogant westerner’. I worked in Darfur though for a while for I am a medical doctor. Furthermore I travelled much of the world and I have seen much more of islamic culture than you could ever imagine. And I am intelligent.

      I am asking you: are you intelligent or not? I will give the answer for you: you are one more stupid man on earth. If you call ’10 lashes for wearing trousers’ an islamic principal then you are even more than just stupid. you are insane.

      I do not believe in any religion and I have my true reasons. But I can tell you: the islamic sharia will not conquer the world. In some 1000 years there will be no more islamic sharia. There will be no more religion at all because people will have gotten more and more clear that it is totally unnecessary and does not fit into the process of surviving.

      Until then: go on critizizing other people’s business. I can imagine thet because of fear you piss in your pants when only a woman starts talking to you.

      Walter

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    • 13 July 2009 23:27, by Kur

      If they can’t rape women, they flock them in public. How evil these primitive ilamists. They will never learn to leave their savage behaviour. They rmust all be forced to follow Bashir to The Hague to answer to their crimes.

      Kur

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  • 13 July 2009 06:35, by Akol Liai Mager

    The List of Disattractive Unity keeps building up and Sudan’s breaking up into pieces is the responsibility of NIF.

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    • 13 July 2009 06:44, by oshay

      Northerners are not begging southerners to be united with them. They’re already self sufficient and found 18 trillion cubic feet of natural gas (4th largest reserves in the world) in Sennar state in the North. http://business.maktoob.com/20090000004440/Significant_gas_reserves_discovered_in_Sudan/Article.htm

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      • 13 July 2009 07:13, by Metabolic

        Self sufficient on what was stolen under Southern Sudan soil will haunt you forever. However, your response is a laughable one because the Northerners who have known a long history of parasitism since time immemorial will never be self-sufficient. Also, if the South Sudan go its own way, we will sue you for every dime you stole from our soil and remember water will not flow from White and Blue Niles to Khartoum and if the language of self-sufficient will still hold or change into a language of begging bowl in your bare hands. On the contrary the 18 trillion cubic of natrual gas if it is not sham must be divide among us even if we were independent state period because your grandparents had looted our reseources for over 200 yrs of historical accidence which both brought North and South together as one entity!

        Metabolic

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  • 13 July 2009 06:48, by C. MILLS

    If this is the law, then it must be enforced; however, where in Sharia Law is murder of innocent people (Darfur) permitted. If the law is enforced, in part, then it must be enforced fully. No exceptions, but I doubt that a gang of old, know-it-all, men can properly interpret the laws.

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    • 13 July 2009 07:38, by mathem jech amer

      Mr. Reporter

      Your statement, "Sudanese girls including Southerners get 10 lashes". Are Southerners not part of Sudan? You people should read your articles before posting them. The statement should had been, "Northern Sudanese girls including the Southerners............., isn’t it?

      Mathem Jech Amer, the guy against DC, LRA, ARINGA, SSDF,ERM and other malitia groups.

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    • 13 July 2009 07:51, by Ajuscommando

      Actually it’s not good for me to hear that Southerners gals were present in this crime according to the North laws. My advice to the Southerners who are in Khartoum is to leave the place and come back where there is freedom we fought for it. You will not benefit anything in the desert town of terrorists whereby Omer El-Bashir is killing innocent civilians without any fear from International community. Please there is no justice in the North although you like to stay with them as the influence with bad cultures from Islam. Please!Please! Southerners, think twice before you decide to continue staying with Arabs since they have show you their true colours before next war.

      Ajus

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  • 13 July 2009 07:44, by Mr Famous Big_Logic_Boy

    According to the rumours, some of the girls from South were dinkas 6 in numbers. After they have been interviewed by the local spies from ERM, they said that it is the only way for them to survived in Khartoum, because the more they attrack the arabs to themselves the better lives they life with the SDG they earn. However when asked whether they are originaly from South, some 3 where taken from South since the age of 5-6 years. But Mostly been brought up in north and they say that what they do also contribute to their everyday’s life (families). Their parents are poor as hell. Working in the building mixing cement and water but turning home with nothing, however the interviewer didn’t ask further questions about the money that their parents are suppose to bring home, because the culture of dinkas with alcohol is wellknown nation wide. When asked why they didn’t use the money they earn to pay with their lash, they said they cannot get the money, in fact they trade in cheap price 5 SDG from a man which is nothing to the lash for the fact that the demanded was high. The local police was expecting 45 SDG per lash. So imagine how long they have to work to get the SDG. Lastly when been questioned whether they will quit their dressing from attracking man, then one of the dinkas lady say it is a shame to let yourself die if you have neccessary assets on your body. Inclusion she say using your body for trade is not a crime in her culture but now in north the arabs wants her to do it illegal because it is aganist the muslim beleifs. Now you dinkas what is your comments about this issue concern the ncesssary use of your perosnl assets.

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    • 13 July 2009 07:58, by Juba Lira

      that is very big fat zero lies from Illogic.

      these are Equatorians girls who like sex like nothing.
      we Dinka, we don,t like sex. Dinka girl gives her self to Dinka man only and not to any Jur mathiang or Jur Equatoria.

      these are their Names
      1 Poni Peter James
      2 Abau Abraham morris
      3 Susana Phillip Gneri
      4 Maria ambio locngoro

      you see now they are not Dinkas.

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      • 13 July 2009 08:26, by Toposa Boy, southerner

        Indeed it is Dinkas girls truly realistically speaking

        but they were student at juba university in Khartoum

        yes money was the problem

        the exit way is selling there pussy to Arab

        of course the law of CPA is now fully expired together with there useless leaders ALbeshiir donkey + silvertor the useless cow of dinkas

        the good news is am very reach men soon I will help those whom left behind by there useless tribes men Dinkator

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        • 13 July 2009 09:12, by Chokrot Pandun.

          Dear Toposa Boy,
          am very sorry for your comment the first thing I would like to tell you is that, you be educated first to posted the correct Grammar instead of using primary two grammar to the public please you go back to check your English for instance you said that you are reach but according to me I think you were trying to say (rich) but not reach am sorry but you know yourself then you talk of other also in which level now are trying to challenge Dinka now fake Toposa Boy as well as Big Logic Boy but why are you calling yourselves boys instead of calling yourselves men like me who is always remain man as am.

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          • 13 July 2009 10:14, by Toposa Boy, southerner

            To Chokrot Pandun.

            Thanks a lot for your advise + correction

            I will insure you Dinkator that I will do anything in my power to help those poor useless Dinkas girls
            Who were selling there dirty pussy to an Arab old men 55 years +

            There you go I give you my word

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        • 13 July 2009 10:06, by ethiopia

          Hi Readers
          Three quarters ¾ of southerners in Khartoum are from Equatorians and tiny followers called shiluk. Dinka have good principle that is a selection and maintenance of the aim and moral. North-south conflict wouldn’t be achieved without dinka leave the losers to cry and go a head with your mission. Judgment and initiative is the best for us to adhere . SPLA OYEE
          The writer is a true son of southern sudan.

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        • 13 July 2009 13:02, by mathem jech amer

          Taposa Boy,

          I am very sorry for your dad and mom who took you to school late and admitted you to adult education programme. I will not blame you because you can’t understanding phrases as well as modern English that’s why you just post inappropriate comments with no relation to the topic.

          The girls were caught because they were wearing trousers not because they were found having sexual relation with any one. English learn under trees is always like a rotten egg.

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    • 13 July 2009 08:50, by Chokrot Pandun.

      Hey Logic

      why don,t you a shame for what you said Dinkas, girls cannot even accept you though how rich you are compare to your girls of Equatoria now I have two girls who are always leaving the job that I assigned to them but crazy about cash from any person they meet it is not knowing who he is but just money. Also they are in ever states of South Sudan. You analyse yourself whether you will get Dinka girl ,s working in any Pub or bar in Equatoria so I can say that if you have nothing to say better you eat your cassava and then you sleep under banana leave thatching house. I will appreciate you if you will get my article clearly.
      Son or daughter of bitch.

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      • 13 July 2009 10:52, by Diong Lobijok

        I wonder if some of those who post garbage comments in this forum have brains at all...quite stupid stuff I often read and wish to tell you all out there this is a public forum and whatever you write about fellow Sudanese is not helping our cause at all. Grow up.

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    • 13 July 2009 09:39, by Sala Gai

      To:Famous Big_Logic_Boy and Equatorian

      The ladies who are arested in Khartuom were Equatorian all during the reporter say to me yesday tonight, he told me yesday to TELL TO ERM BARKING DOG TO GO AND ASIT INTO MATTER.

      I will asure you Equatorian your always take high Precitote as they are alway in Juba

      your stupidity will caugh your neck

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    • 13 July 2009 11:45, by mohamad adam

      logik boy you should call your sels dirti boy or latrin boy
      what you are writing is ever disgusting
      iam not a dinka to ddifend dinka women iam a true arab of sudan northerner
      but i dont accept any kind of talking about a sudanese woman from any part of sudan like the way you di
      may allah forgive you
      and it is abetter you repent

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    • 13 July 2009 13:27, by mathem jech amer

      Famous_Logic_Boy

      Please girls are pride of southerners NOT even Dinkas. According to Dinka culture and norms, girls are sources of wealth, therefore, considered to be fragile?

      I actually know very well that girls are being abused in Khartoum, which is well known by many, especially Southerners. One can not say they are from Equatoria or Bahr El Ghazal. They are mixed up.

      So, you guys when you are abusing other tribes, let us not forget to respect our ladies who are not part of this forum irrespective of their background.

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    • 13 July 2009 14:45, by Dan

      Mr.Logic, mine it is some thing i witness in ma naked eye in juba and am sorry to heard from u za Dinka gals re involve in neccessary assets on their body,please let me tell u, it is diffcult for u to get Dinka gal wit difference tribe a part from their follow Dinka but u can have a wife for seven days from Equatoria gals zey re very cheap zen Uganda gal (nyabo)and zey re one now marry ze foreigners in difference corner of ze country, our gals re valve zen anything and equatoria gals re one doing commercial businese here in juba making a big competition of prostcution in custom,jabel market and kony-konyo wit nyabo making alot SDG to a sure u zey pretend not knowing arabic nor engish but madi language but in day time u can get zem cover their faces as muscim to a prove this go to primary school and secondary u wil get a lot ur gals covering their faces and making sex in classes instead of learning some re using banance to fuck themself instead of penis but it is short period of two to three hours witout man and if u re doubt of this statement go to ploice station u will get wonderful thing in record and check ze name,age and tribe.
      every women in equatoria has more zen ten husband and she serve them at ze same time and zey take sex as simple thing but in Dinka it is diffcult for woman to sleep wit two men and go to kator court u will see miracle of case of ur prostcution.
      ma advice to H.E president of GOSS take care of equatoria women of their dressing style zey can invit us terrorist and make bom blast like what is in somaila now and we re standby wit arab ze can use tool by arab in any time as u know zey re apart of arab

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    • 13 July 2009 15:31, by Gabriel Green

      You guys Logic-dog & donkey Toposa,

      Our comments we Dinka is continuing Sexing yours equatorian girls as well as arab do.
      Make sure that your sister have respect to me

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    • 15 July 2009 08:16, by Nguetbuny de Luelpiny

      To Big_logic Boy and others.

      It make me so sick! when i see you writing like Idiot Muslim Slave, who just Create propaganda against his own people. It does not matter, where the girls are from what Tribe! They are African girls.

      I Can see from your Tone that you are supporting Arab Action against our girls. Don’t you know is affecting us when you making propaganda Against your sisters like that in the Tribal line division.

      Creating division in the south and run to Arab yard in Khartoum. There will be no hiding place even if you Are in North America, we will get you there. Better to stop your creating hatred among African.

      African Culture will never be denied by anyone Dump Arab mind. Said something that is Positive not tribal division. The liberators Equatorian will never think the way you do. What do you call South without Ajang ( Dinka)

      Nguetbuny interpret my names meaning

      Thank you

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    • 15 July 2009 18:00, by Man in comfort zone

      HEA ARUA PARK BOY LOGIC MIND YOUR DIRTY TONGUE!!!

      Had it not been struggles of Dinkas to bring recognition to Southerners like you, you would be a porter in Arua. You teeth would be so green like that one of goat because of "Marungu." Or your dad would have been sodomise to death by Arabs.

      Warning Mr.Logic the day we will grab your balls you will see fire. But don,t think that you can not be allocated.
      Iam so tormented by this calprit Logic

      Man from the tail of Africa

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  • 13 July 2009 08:58, by Oduck Bol

    That is bad news. nothing will get you free unless change the government in south. This not the time Musilms still oposing its relgion on us. Where is Salva Kiir? His people are being abuse whil he is in Khartum near Omar. this is unbeliveable,we do not have government. This is thing we have fought for so that people would be free from the dirty relgion which dose not belive in other human being his /her styel of living. The CPA has means for these people.

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    • 13 July 2009 12:44, by Ermano Munduku

      Divided country in North Africa has two system and is fighting a cold war of attracting unity and secesion. The North unity because of benefit and South want separation because of opppresion. We don’t know which one will succeed, benefit or Oppression. If the South want to vote for unity it must ask itself what is the force of atraction? If it choose separation what causes it? For me and those who have long vision the South shoud choose secesion: for these reasons: Saharia Law is dangerous for unity, Islamic Relgion is dangerous for unity, Arab cutlure is dangerous for unity, Arabic langauge is dangerous for unity, Arab League is dangerous for unity, Arab civilization is dangerous for unity, Southern minerals is dangerous for unity, Agricultural and forestry alnd id dangerous for unity, Animal hubandry is dangerous for unity, Arabs are civivlised 99% ahead of us in education, foreign policy, military warfare, economic welfare, socially development and the list continue. While the South was going on in with war in the last 53 years and before the South was going on with education, social development, military and economic development during and after colonial time. The Nortrh was already far ahead by 99% during independence 1956. The British left the government in their hand and they are the one who fought the British out. During this time we had primitive chiefs and less educated person Chief Executive Officer Ciricio Iro who signed unity on behave of the South after receiving bribes from the Arab where he he was offered leadership of Sudan for 24 hours and this will be done to any Southerners who think he will rule in Khartoum after Referrandum. Arabs started to torture us before colonial time and after until CPA and even now the torture continues, no money in the South while the North has pleanty and no development in the Souht while the North is now manufacturing AIRPLANES. During Addis- Ababa Agreement similar thing happened, no salary in the South and no development. aLL DEVELOPMENTAL PROJECTS WERE TRANSFERED TO THE nORTH TO LEAVE US A MARKET PLACE. This cause Addis-Ababa Agreement to collapsed in 1983 because of frustration. Abel Alier the so called Lawyer was used to destroy Addis-Ababa Agreement and now he is being again being used to detroy CPA. HE IS NOT FIT TO HEAD THE ELECTION.THERE IS AGENDA IN HIS APPOINTMENT.

      One of the worse weaknesss of the South is ambtion of power and money. Everyone wants to be a minister regardless of ability. People fight for power and cause division, hatrate attract money for themselves by betraying other Southerners like Lam Akol. He was peaceful when he was messing up as Minster of Foreign Affairs and when removed because of failure to respect the regulation of his party decided to form a party so as th weaken the SPLA/M from succeeding in separation after being bribed by the NCP/NIF. Now he is mobilizing his tribes and NCP TO DESTROY THE REFERRndum. Tribalism in the South is to remain in power whether efficient or dorman. These leders appoint relatives based tribalism to gain favour from the tribeS and this is the cause of assignement of responsibiltiy to people who cannot manage and as such the country cannot progress. These people have no plan for development even for themself.

      All Southerners must accept the truth if they choose unity it will be the third time Southern are going are going to be cheated. Let us follow the vison of President Ghaddafin. He told the truth and all notion will support our independence. SPLA/M should change their vision from NEW SUDAN because the concept and its vison is dangerous to the South? How can you mix new things with the old one to form good combination. Where is the quality. Something must either be new or old. Where is the leader of the so called NEW sUDAN? He wad made to disappered before enjoying his vision that he miscalcualte. He was cheated and executed because the old vision knew he was going to take power. The rest of the people are not a theat because they are pictures. The First Vice President,is nothing, He fear his position in the North and is only President in the South. Who sits in he Chair in the North, now one knows. It is either empty or the second Vice Presidentt. Why do you claim for a chair you cannot manange? The Foreign Minister is voiceless in the media as if there is not Foreign Minister in the Sudan. Voices of other junior Arabs in the Ministry are the one active. Why do you claim the chair you don’t know how to manage because of lack of ability or inferiority complex, fear, experience and qualfication?

      Lastly, Can a Southern lead United Sudan? Big No, because it cannot lead South Sudan that is minute region? Let us snot forget the truth unity is dangerous. Leave the North to Arabs who are advanced in everything and let us start from scracth in the South fighting tribalism, nepotism, weakness in education, economic, militray and scoial service. We are rich in mineral and Agricultural and it will take us less time to catch up with the North instead of accetping second class citizen in the Sudan where we are in. We don’t want another militray war, we must end this war by voting Arabs out in the South and if the Nubas and Blue Nile wants to join us they are welcome, if they want to be alone let them choose, if they want to be with the Arabs let them choose after all they share similar culturE.These two region or more should not confused freedom the South has fought for before and after Independence of the Sudan and is now up to us to leave it take it. The South will always be with marginalized areas to fight against freedom

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      • 13 July 2009 13:56, by Yakulota

        GOOD REACTION WHICH DOES NOT DESERVE A PLACE NEAR SOME OF THE RUBBISH/ UN-SERIOUS REACTIONS!

        Munduku, you should edit your reaction and post it as an opinion titled "DANGEROUS FOR UNITY"! ;)

        I BELEIVE THE CURRENT WAR IN SUDAN IS BEING FOUGHT BY THE COMMON PEOPLE AS OPPOSED TO ARMIES [SPLA - SAF]!

        AND INTERESTING TO SEE THAT FOR THE SOUTH, IT IS THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO LEAD THEMSELVES TO VICTORY AND NOT THE CROOKED POLITICIAN WITH NO FEELING FOR THE COMMON PEOPLE!

        FOR THE COMMON SOUTHERNER, IT IS LIKE SUFFERING BOTH WAYS (UNITY OR SECESSION) THOUGH THE SUFFERING OF SECESSION UNLIKE UNITY HAS THE POTENTIAL OF BRINGING FREEDOM AND PROSPERITY!

        You can include include ’SOUTHERN LEADERS WITHOUT ABILITY, VISION AND FEELING FOR THE PEOPLE IS DANGEROUS FOR UNITY’ ;)

        Peace

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    • 13 July 2009 12:52, by mathem jech amer

      Mr. Oduck Bol

      Do you think Kiir goes to street what is happening there? What about your SPLM-DC, you are based in Khartoum, why not intervening?

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  • 13 July 2009 10:24, by Alfabet1

    First of all the dress in the picture looks very modest to me…

    I think lashes are unacceptable, even if it is “only” to shame. Humiliation is what is intended according to Sharia, if I am not mistaken. The aim is not to cause pain, but is rather symbolical. The rules seem to be that a woman should be flogged sitting down, on her clothed back, the flogger should hold a copy of the Holy Quran under his arm, a medical doctor should be present, etc.

    I have read on many websites, though, that these rules are almost never respected (Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, Iran etc.) and that flogging causes extreme pain, lifelong scars, even disability and sometimes kills.

    Some websites even claim that flogging in the Sudan is carried out on the naked back of a woman with a camel-hide whip.

    Can someone please enlighten us, in the West, on how flogging is carried out on women in the Sudan?

    I have the highest esteem and respect for Islam, but this part - corporal punishment – I do not agree with. It does not make anyone a better Muslim. Would constructive punishment, like community work, not be a lot more useful?

    Also I thought that Christians were exempted from Sharia, even in Khartoum. Sadly, this is apparently not the case.

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    • 13 July 2009 11:20, by Ajuscommando

      Dear Southerners, try to forgive Logic dog and Taposa cow since the start learning computer. Another thing, they grown up in hostile communities like Taposa whereby thing can not be judge and people believe on Evil thing. I can not blame Taposa cow because 3/4 of his community stay in the bush looking after animals to steal from different communities and fear town because of electricity light which they have not seen in their life. Look, Taposa cow and Logic big dog are good friends in writing but when they go back to their villages, you will hear the incident of death from one of them or even all because their communities like to steal from each other and if they may meet in wrong position than one can kill each other. The logic big dog and Taposa cow sisters are still living the bush so they want to create bad image against the learn gals since they were arrested due to Islam law of Khartoum and no great crime they have committed it like stealing of others people properties. These gals were found walking in town not drinking place so try to have respect toward others and stop your dull mind and dumb thinking. I always advice you to change your behaviours like human being in other part of the world than to think on negatives thing which can not promote your future. It’s good to prove yourselves so that you can represent your community in SSLA.

      Ajus

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      • 13 July 2009 12:00, by mohamad adam

        congs ajus i wish evry body can give such an educative coments
        iam sure south sudan has a lot of bright minded boys like you
        i wish to find their coments and opinnion on this site
        i have many friends from south and i wish to ad you to my friends
        iam in love with south and southerners but i feel sorry to where we are headding with such people like logic or i call him latrin boy
        yours mohamad an arab of north sudan pleas for some securiti reasons i will creat an e mail where i can get in touch with you and wish to chat with you and all the bright mineded people of south sudan i think we can do something to uplift the standard of thinking and leaving of our people of the great sudan .
        yours so far
        mohamad adam

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  • 13 July 2009 10:54, by Hillary B.M.L,M

    Whether lashed or not, my question is where is the role of non Muslim commission in Northern States in this case of non Muslim Girls which sharia is not applicable to them?
    Whether they are Dinkas, Equatorians or non Tribe Girls i don’t bother, my concern is, duties and responsibilities empowered to those useless people there in Khartoum, which are proved by this incident as they are doing nothing just given the title for the job of NON MUSLIM COMMISSION.

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    • 13 July 2009 15:37, by biongjak

      Now what should a wise Dinka say in that posted question of the most stupid man on earth who claim to be logical when he truly deserves to be called barbaric?
      Yes, my god-damned son of a bitch, we can not comment when you did not understand what central message was being brought forth by the reporter.
      We are ready to respond when the question asked is from a wise person and at the same time is sensible. so, if you think you know when in fact you don’t know, then you are a fool, they say. Whether all were Dinkas does not matter. We know your weakness as a person and not because you are an equatoria, in fact Equatoria is far from you. We can not make stupid hasty generalization like you, illogical idiot.

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    • 13 July 2009 15:39, by Gabriel Green

      Hillary,
      They deserved be bitten,this is a message to them both Dinka girls,Equatorian girls or non to come back to the South Sudan.

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      • 13 July 2009 21:06, by Chechi

        I am a lady but what really surprises me is the way my fellow brothers behave.It does not matter if the girls who were arrested were Dinka or Equatorians what matters is that they are your sisters would speak bad of your own sister.I Thought when one of us in trouble we will find a brothers who are ready to defend us but the way you gugs are behaving gives me a bit of fear.
        Please let us leave triblism and build unity and brotherhood.I hope you will change your behaviour and act like mature people.

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  • 13 July 2009 21:56, by kuol M. Deng

    Dear Readers/Moderators,

    I hate to see my beloved nation of Sudan looking down over gender rights, mistreating women so cruelty. Women are coming up independently in other countries while in Sudan, they are only kept for men pleasure and approval comfort. It is pathetic if Lubna Hussein has been whipped up by Sudanese police because of how she dressed. Dressing up in trousers does NOT make any person a different creature, or a sinner.

    Do Sudanese politicians ever believe and understand the evolution? Human minds are and thoughts are NOT the same. There are several ways in which we the human beings differ associate ourselves to others whom we liked. May be Lubna saw other women on TV dressing in pants, and they are still good people, she want to be like them.

    However, my mighty Sudan government need to be flexible with whatever culture women endeavor to follow. How long will the government of Sudan be forcing women into a sole culture of such a kind. Smart people in the government of Sudan need to let doors open wide for every person to enjoy freedom. Beating up Lubna Hussein is not just a goodness of it kind, it is forcing women to be convservative in the unchangeable culture, but it is beyond human ideologies. Sudanese will NOT stay forever dressing the same way they were. There are many changes taking place nowadays, and any Sudanese girl is supposed to dress up the way she likes.

    Lubna Hussien has been mocked and jeered at. Allah gave us mind to make clothes, including trousers ,but He never condemned any woman because of wearing them.

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    • 14 July 2009 03:30, by marie

      It is pathetic in this 21st century to flock girls for wearing pants (a pair of trousers). In fact in most parts of the world, pants make much logic for girls to wear. It is comfortable especially at a place of work which involves much movement. It is intack when taking public transport. It provides proper protection for girls, especially when experiencing their monthly period and many other benefits. Different kinds of dresses are meant to cover the body, but each and everyone of us knows exactly what is beneath those dresses.

      All those who have expressed their opinions regarding this act seems to be pointing fingers only to the north forgetting that, recently, the girls in the south went through the same ordeal. You people might have remembered how girls were randomly picked from the streets and taken to policy custody. All those who were arrested were wearing pants. They were arrested under the pretext that they were associated with the so called "niggers". This incident cause the commissioner of Central Equatoria his post. There are a number of testimonies by foreigners of harassement at the South border with the neighbouring countries. They are being intimidated for wearing pants.

      The population of South Sudan has changed dramatically in the 21 years of war. We have lost much of our values and mores. There is no way one can point a finger at a particular tribe and allege it is more intack. Having witnessed how South Sudanese in Khartoum, Cairo, London, USA Canada and Australia live, it is a clear indication, we have lost that social fabric. Prostitution is just rampant among South Sudanese regardless of the region they hail from. It is sad even to imagine the extent.

      It is our responsibility as the citizen of that torn part of the World to piece our society back to its original place. Naming calling and all these animosity would not solve our problem, instead it is just like pouring gas into burning flame. We have to grow beyond our tribal lines in order to succeed in this world, otherwise we are doomed and would remain as slaves in our own country.

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      • 14 July 2009 23:37, by warda

        LET ME FIRST OFF START BY SAYING..THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM!!!!
        ISLAM CONDEMNS ANY ACTS OF VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN!!!!
        BEFORE ISLAM, LITTLE GIRLS WERE BURIED IN THE SAND BECAUSE GIRLS WERENT VALUED LIKE BOYS WERE, ISLAM CAME AND BANNED THIS PRACTICE AND RAISED THE STATUS OF WOMEN
        THE BELOVED PROPHET MUHAMMED(SALALAHUALAYHEWASSALUM" SAYS
        "The best of you are those who are best to their wives".
        There is a whole chapter in the Holy Quran dedicated to women.
        they are beautiful creations....Islam tells us that!!!
        you do not beat or be harsh to them, FEAR ALLAH(SWT) AND HIS PUNISHMENT!!
        these modern day dogs need to FEAR ALLAH(SWT)

        THESE DOGS WHO FLOG AND BEAT WOMEN WILL SUFFER ON YOUM AL QIAMMAH(DAY OF JUDGEMENT)
        THEY ARE NOT RELIGIOUS, THEY ARE THUGS THAT WANT TO SILENCE PEOPLE BY SPREADING FEAR AND INTIMIDATION!

        A PEOPLE UNITED, CAN NEVER BE DEFEATED!!

        you cant go on with your lives knowing barbaric things like this is happening!!!

        what boggles my mine is I know there are girls in khartoum who wear skin tight skirts and tops...sooo this isn’t about "dress"
        they are targetting her individually.

        any person who supports flogging, SHOULD HAVE IT DONE ON THEMSELVES TO SEE HOW IT FEELS.
        SICKENING HOW SOME SUDANESE DISGUSTING DOG MEN SUPPORT THIS
        THIS IS BEHAVIOR OF PIGS

        IM SUDANESE FROM THE NORTH AND IM MUSLIM AND IM DISGUSTED AND EMBARRASSED THAT THIS IS EVEN HAPPENING

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        • 14 July 2009 23:46, by warda

          Oshay,YOURE MOTHER SHOULD BE EMBARRASSED THAT SHE GAVE BIRTH TO SUCH A MALE PIG....THATS WHAT I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT YOU.

          ..THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM!!!!
          ISLAM CONDEMNS ANY ACTS OF VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN!!!!
          BEFORE ISLAM, LITTLE GIRLS WERE BURIED IN THE SAND BECAUSE GIRLS WERENT VALUED LIKE BOYS WERE, ISLAM CAME AND BANNED THIS PRACTICE AND RAISED THE STATUS OF WOMEN
          THE BELOVED PROPHET MUHAMMED(SALALAHUALAYHEWASSALUM" SAYS
          "The best of you are those who are best to their wives".
          There is a whole chapter in the Holy Quran dedicated to women.
          they are beautiful creations....Islam tells us that!!!
          you do not beat or be harsh to them, FEAR ALLAH(SWT) AND HIS PUNISHMENT!!
          these modern day dogs need to FEAR ALLAH(SWT)

          THESE DOGS WHO FLOG AND BEAT WOMEN WILL SUFFER ON YOUM AL QIAMMAH(DAY OF JUDGEMENT)
          THEY ARE NOT RELIGIOUS, THEY ARE THUGS THAT WANT TO SILENCE PEOPLE BY SPREADING FEAR AND INTIMIDATION!

          A Sudanese journalist was sentenced by a Khartoum court to public flogging in the coming days for sensational dress.

          Lubna Hussein, 34-year-old, public information assistant , the spokesperson office of the United Nations Mission in Sudan, and reporter of Al Sahafa daily newspaper, was apprehended last week for a couple of hours and accused among ten others, as "dressed, contrary to public sense, in a way that provokes sexual sensation", stated by the Central Khartoum public order court (Sajjana).

          The young reporter will be flogged (40) lashes as a result for wearing pants allegedly indecent
          Ms. Hussein’s attempts to send a public invitation to a large public through newspapers ’to witness the great scandal and how women are treated in Sudan’ as she said, was withheld, as well as her photos by the National Intelligence and Security Service officers, whose daily job is to go through the newspapers before to be sent to the printing presses.

          Lubna writes a regular column in Alsahafa, one of most popular Arabic daily newspaper, and founded by her late husband Abdul Rahman Mukhtar, a column called "men talk" in which she criticizes courageously the situations in Sudan and as well as the orientations of the Sudanese sitting government and the militant fanatic Islamists alike.

          Worth noting, this is not the first time the Sudanese authority detained Lubna, who is a political activist. As member of the National Unionist Party, she has been arrested and apprehending for many times while she was a university student

          PLEASE INVITE FRIENDS,FAMILY,WHOEVER....
          WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED

          A PEOPLE UNITED, CAN NEVER BE DEFEATED!!

          you cant go on with your lives knowing barbaric things like this is happening!!!

          what boggles my mine is I know there are girls in khartoum who wear skin tight skirts and tops...sooo this isn’t about "dress"
          they are targetting her individually.
          the way you wrote makes me believe u are nothing but a punk!!
          how dare you justify such actions!!

          anyone who supports these devils in sheep clothing is ignorant and they will suffer.
          an injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere
          IM FED UP of this taliban mentality!!
          PANTS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WEST U IDIOT! HAVENT U SEEN PAKISTANI MUSLIMS WITH THEIR NATIONAL DRESS?PANTS AND A LONG TUNIC..THERE ARE MANY MUSLIMS WHO WEAR PANTS(MANY OF THEM WOMEN)
          JUST ABOUT EVERY MUSLIM WOMAN I SEE WEARS PANTS.
          SO DONT COME HERE AND WHINE AND CRY AND POINT FINGERS AT THE WEST WHEN YOUR OWN HANDS ARE UNCLEAN.

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        • 15 July 2009 02:27, by Oduck Bol

          Dear Warda:

          You are the onely one who from I heard the trueth. keep up with your faith(religion) and forget about those who use Islam as their weapons to defeat their enemies. Dr Hassan Trube who started cheating Sudanse by telling them to go and die in south so that they will go to heaven (Jana). Iam sure there are lot of people from North and South who realy make people of Sudan hate each other; for instance,in North people mix politic and religion to fight the south for their own interest,to keep them in power, make people to belife in them and to keep nation busy so that they will not get their right, reouce, and injoy the live. Dvil number one in Sudan is Dr trube; North sudan has not bee developed until Omar removed him from government. What I want to say is that fight those who use Islam as to creat hatered between people.Iam not musilam, Jesh,Boda,or Chistain. Iam African who is waitting for our own perhpet. We are still clean no sins.

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