9 Forum messages

• Arab states reactions fall short of condemning ICC over Bashir warrant 6 March 2009 08:48, by postmortem

  Hussam Zaki you are straight to the point. Why do you waste time trying to lobby for Bashir through the UNSC when he is saying not bothered by the ICC warrant of arrest. If you were a blacksmith from Southern Sudan, you would have long advised the Arab League to hit the iron when it was still hot.

  It is impossible to straighten a bent pole. The only opportunity for Bashir is to accept the reality and deal with it legally an opportunity he squandered while he was left alone with the goal keeper to score. Now that the defenders have come and all on form, I do not see any chances of winning the final match.

  Bashir should not waste time calling for demonstrations and shanting those slogans because at the end of the exams, ICC will be holding its red pen to mark what Bashir wrote in blue. People are just shedding crocodile tears but Sudanese even from the North are happy with the warrant. A wizard though in my culture receive descent burial. So it is not unusual for people to turn up for such rallies pretending to be condemning the ICC. The masses are actually accelerating Bashir’s exit from the Country to the Hague. His voice was feign yesterday and you could tell that he was too worried about his life.

  For us believers, there is time for everything. We do not know the hour. For now stay in the Sudan like a bankrupt keeping house until you are apprehended. Give to ceasar what belongs to ceasar and God what belongs to Him. Isn’t it time to account for your project activities in Darfur after such a long period of investment? How else will you know that the project achieved its goals without it been evaluated by an external evaluator (ICC)?

  With the ICC still around, African leaders must think about their sujects and to rule according to the principles of rule of law and good governance otherwise the ICC will invoke its might.

  

  • Arab states reactions fall short of condemning ICC over Bashir warrant 7 March 2009 08:06, by thomas

    I could not have said it better than you my friend, I agree completely with everything you said. Listen- when Bashir goes to sleep at night, he knows he’s guilty. We know he’s guilty and God knows he’s guilty. Evidently, the ICC Pre-trial Chamber I judges suspect you’re guilty because Ocampo has enough evidence to prove you did it. haha.

    A reminder to Bashir and NCP of things they already know. The ICC is a court like any other. It was however meant especially for the most heinous crimes possible committed by people who by of their position could always evade justice for their actions. The fact that you can say you’re not bothered by the mere accusations speaks volumes. Ocampo has evidence, including thousands of witnesses/victims, no wonder you never address the actual charges laid against you. What you will do attempt to divert the issue to one of jurisdiction. It’s pointless to argue about jurisdiction because it was Security Council resolution that referred this to the ICC because it was obvious to the Council and the world that massive crimes were being committed in Darfur. All UN members states are obliged to respect Security Council resolutions. Some countries choose not to- that’s their choice, but they have to defend it someday. If any judge issues a warrant for any crime (mass murder and rape in this case), and a police refuses to obey because of whatever reason they want (killer was a cousin or something), let there be no mistake, at least the judge did his duty. You can defame him all you want, you could torture, kill, whatever, the decision still stands unless you counter-argue in court or throw the whole legal system in the trash. You NCP are not going to do the latter because our international system of justice is precious. It has taken humanity a long to get here, and international law is the work many great men and women, it is cherished by many, most especially victims of people like you. This court isn’t going anywhere.

    So Ocampo investigates and finds that militias in collusion with military and government are the culprits. Remember Karadzic and Milosevic, Saddam, Charles Taylor and those cruel men from Sierra Leone, the RUC, blood diamonds... and those old Nazis? They were all caught. We just have to vigilant and "smoke him" out as Bush used to say. Is it too much to just dream of a day?

    

• Arab states reactions fall short of condemning ICC over Bashir warrant 6 March 2009 13:52, by Micheal Kerkuei

  Who is Zaki!

  I am compelled to ask who this man identified as Zaki is because of the comments he has passed to the mass. Unlike his Arab colleagues, Zaki has hit the nail on the head. He does vividly understand that Sudan’s Bashir is reaping what he has been sowing all along. Zaki also understands that the deicision by the ICC underwent series of examinations and criticisms. Zaki must be the only African or Arab, to be precise who has taken up his position by merit.

  The Arab states should understand that Bashir has been spared, for he should have been brought to justice many years back. It is somewhat frustrating to hear that he is being indicted only for the atrocities committed in the Western part of the country when he instigated deathless damages in the South.

  Who wil forget about the longest civil war ever fought in the world and in Africa in particular between the Khartoum Arab dominated government and the South Sudanese during 80s and 90s. Which woman and child will not talk about the areial bombardments by the so-called Sudan Armed Forces on innocent civilians particularly in the South.Viewing it at this angle, the ICC is not even just.It should have raised the counts on Bashir. To me, Bashir should have not been indicted had he ruled like other leaders: Nelson Mandela, Malilmu Julius Nyere,Jomo Kenyatta and several others who have treated their subjects like themselves.

  I urge the Arab states and other blind supporters of this era to stop confusing the ICC judges. Let them go ahead with their jurisdictions. Bashir is the best candidate for the Hague-based court.

  

• Arab states reactions fall short of condemning ICC over Bashir warrant 6 March 2009 15:19, by Nakedu Mura

  The failure of Iraq by saddam Hussein, the continuous instabilities in the Middle East countries,[ at the moment middel East is boiling up ready to explode at any time],the failure of sudan itself by successive ARab rigems have proved that Arab rigems or Arab governments are irrelevant and incapable of managing the nations they are leading.they have failed the whole world and are hinderance to progress and development in the world.the threats to international peace,justice and stability is posed by them through production of too much Terrorism,Extremism,Fundamentalism and all.in this era therefore,they is need for thorough reforms and flexibility to change by these regimes,otherwise the worl won’t experience any peace at all.the cuurrent arab system need to be replaced with a viable system-DEMOCRACY.

  

  • Arab states reactions fall short of condemning ICC over Bashir warrant 6 March 2009 15:33, by cobra Bior

    Damn Besher, you though late Dr. Garang use to preached nothing when he use to says you will face the icc in the future? how do you fell man, you crying like awoman? ithough you were a man. Deal with it and i hope you joint your friend saddam in the hell.

    

    • Arab states reactions fall short of condemning ICC over Bashir warrant 6 March 2009 16:44, by matur majok

      Wow! why Arabs are behaving cowardly like that, after all problems never look for people but person does look for it. why didn’t ICC issue an arrest warrant for other president other than Bashir, so my dears, you must bear the fruits and repercussions of your own making. mind you, " however fat a rat grows, it will still be the cat" stop threading the situation and leave Bashir to threader himself to the court for the sake of international peace and justice.

      

• Arab states reactions fall short of condemning ICC over Bashir warrant 6 March 2009 21:13, by DAVID N.

  The Mauritania: Who cares calls themselves a one of Arab North Africa. What they have done for history of entire Arab North Africa & IRAQ, that they have been "RECYCLE" Liberian American slaves to Senegalese from Islands of Goree, then when they relocated into Mauritania, they call ARAB??? BUT Then; Nobiin will gain relationship with ISRAEL that ever had before! http://www.abcc.org

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  • Arab states reactions fall short of condemning ICC over Bashir warrant 6 March 2009 23:17, by Aduol Liet

    Well, if guys have n’t looks to Middle East secretly Map then, you will be sursprise that, Sudan country is combining to be count by the Middle East nations and Africa nations in the other hand Sudan country seem to have Borders with 12 countries in Africa and Sudan is in the heartLand of Africa nations as a whole if the problem in Sudan is not solve then it will destablishizing many others Africa countries because it has Borders with too many countries in Africa and that why it is impotrant for ICC to get this case done. Clearly, Sudan government does everythings favorable to Middle East nations only and this is why the whole Arab nations are very much concerning the Resolution of Aricle 16 Rome Statue.If you guys never seen the Sudan Flag definition Land of Arab thus, you will be sursprised to ask yourself that, does really Sudan mean land of Arab how? rather than Sudan is A Land of Black African people look some of us in Africa are still slept up to this moment. Arab must back up to theirs Arab countries in the Middle East otherwise,there is no such cancellation they are hoping from Omar al Bashir case happening, because this is a high crimes in Sudan history. The Southern Sudanese and Nuban people will do everythings Bashir last hope is thinking, Bashir he thought he will force SPLM / SPLA to block the ICC Resolution Aritcle 16 and this is why he went to Juba before the ICC result to be known out.Even though the ICC help Darfurian people I still do not trust these Darfurian people because they accepted to be coverting them in to Muslim and they were even against SPLM/SPLA saying SPLM/SPLA are fighting against Muslim and now they claim they are been kill by Bashir government, last year Omar al Bashir visited to Darfur Regions we saw people were laughing wecoming their favor president and they do n’t see when Omar al Bashir came in the Southern Sudan no body hand with him, the security always tighen because they Southerners people do not like him so I do not Darfurian people but I real trust Southern Sudanese and I also trust Nuban people because they are the people who apparently stood up with us during the SPLM/SPLA struggle time. Bashir is bothering even blanming some Arab nations saying Arab brothers did not do enough to block the ICC Aritcle 16 Rome Statue look, this leave the question to Omar al Bashir are you requesting 12 months in order to kill more others people? Does MR, Omar al Bashir want somethings to go worsen? than the easy way to give up to ICC if he think he has done nothing wrong in Sudan why not going to explain to the judges of ICC. Here is the message to Southerners Sudanese people and they Nuban people please thinks about what Arab particularly did to our people for example in Khartoum you can find only most Nuaban as A Buse-Boy and at the Vialleges also Arab assume to be the chief of the community and in the Southern Sudan Arab told some Tribes you know why not taking this marks, it will look good for your Tribe while our people did not acknowledge that, this is another ways of fooling people not to have education as Northern Sudan does and quite frankly this is why we are very behind in everythings in Sudan. These Arab Idiots must go back to Middle East or we must not allow them to rule us with SHARIA LAW of ISlamic policies in Sudan. I support the ICC decision for Darfurian people to deal with Bashir but not because I will trust the Darfurian people but because they are Human beings as well as I am. Basically, I want you guys to think what Arab people done to us in Sudan it is unacceptable leave our differences a part and look why they made us to be a second citizens in Sudan while they came for Trade only then, they establishing government and took power over from African people and now African leaders are saying they want to withdraw from the ICC this is a ridculous. Sincerely By Aduol Liet. U.S.A

    

• Arab states reactions fall short of condemning ICC over Bashir warrant 6 March 2009 23:48, by Kuanlualthoun

  Arab nations(with exception of Libya and Syria) are indeed cowed idiots that can’t defend themselves, forget about others. They didn’t turn up when their only hero(Sadam Hussien of Iraq) were being humilated by the Western countries(North Atlantic Treaty Organisation or NATO)!! they did the same thing when Isreal were killing the Palestinian kids in Palestine a month ago!! Sudan should not leave this usless club and begin to realise the fact that they have nothing to do with Arab club! the only thing that can protect Sudan is the help of African brothers!!