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Sudan Tribune flooded with angry emails after verdict in British teacher case

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November 28, 2007 (PARIS) — Sudan Tribune was flooded with angry emails following the verdict on a British teacher accused by Sudan of insulting Muslims. The primary source of the emails appears to be Britain.

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Mohamed Nagi, Sudan Tribune editor in chief, expressed regret at “the profanity and hatred incited by these emails”.

"The Sudanese people are the daily victims of the mentality that led to the imprisonment of Gibbons. The regime encourages this line of thought" Nagi said

Gibbons was charged on Wednesday with insulting Islam, inciting hatred and showing contempt for religious beliefs because of the toy’s name. Under Sudan’s penal code, she could have faced 40 lashes, a fine, or up to one year in jail.

In court, Judge Mohamed Youssef listened to two accounts — one from school secretary Sarah Khawad, who filed the first complaint about the teddy bear’s name, and one from the official who has been investigating the case, court sources said.

“While it is understandable that people feel outraged by the verdict, it is inexcusable to direct these feelings in this obscene manner” Nagi said.

“Sudan Tribune represents the fight against extremism and fanaticism and preaches for peaceful coexistence and tolerance in the Sudan. This has been and will continue to be our mission" he added.

The Sudan Tribune is a non profit online website based in France that was launched in July 2003. Last year it had over 8 million visits.

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41 Forum messages

  • Apologies on behalf of the Brits 30 November 2007 15:47, by Scusi

    As a Brit I would like to apologise for my fellow countrymen who feel it is justified to direct their anger in this way. I am thoroughly ashamed.

    I can only assume that they are a very ignorant portion of the British population, to feel that it is entirely justified to blame anyone in Sudan for the actions of their government. Wholehearted apologies - we’re not all like that.

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    • Apologies on behalf of the Brits 30 November 2007 17:24, by Dere Gun

      I agree, it is extremely misplaced to attack the Tribune.

      Those who sent these emails should be paired with those gathering in Sudan and calling for the teachers death....ignorant people are meant for eachother.

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      • Apologies on behalf of the Brits 30 November 2007 18:12, by Thorum

        Can you tell me what the emails said? Apologise for what? The ridiculous, barbaric and intolerent ideologies of the Muslim hordes is nothing to apologise for. It is simply another example of the dangers of Islam.

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        • Apologies on behalf of the Brits 2 December 2007 09:29, by Mia

          What has happened in Sudan regarding this case is not, I repeat IS NOT Islam. I am outraged about the situation, so is my husband (muslim), everyone in our community including the Imam. I’ve also noticed that many muslims around the word are protesting against this and if you follow the media, I’m sure you would have noticed this too. What the Sudanese regime has been doing to it’s own people, south Sudan, the people of Darfur and to anyone who cross their path has n o t h i n g to do with Islam. It is a disgrace for muslim people to see dictators and terrorists all over the world talk about Islam, Jihad and Allah. A real muslim man, is a peaceful man. But disgraceful people are making Islam look dirty.

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          • Apologies on behalf of the Brits 2 December 2007 14:29, by European

            Dear Mia,

            I believe, you are an open minded person who truthfully condemns and regrets the action, taken against Ms Gibbons. However, there haven been too many examples in recent past, showing that this event is only one more in row. Those incidents promote the opinion among us "non-believers", that Islam is nothing but archaic and incompatible with the principles of modernity and civilization, as we see it. As long as those people make their way to european and american news channels, this will remain our opinion. So all the truely modern and tolerant muslims in the world should stand up and support the struggle of those, who fight for individual freedom and MUTUAL tolerance. Otherwise, the clash of civilizaitons is close.

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  • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 30 November 2007 18:17, by Bombom

    National Anthem of Sudan says!

    "We are the army of God and of our land,
    We shall never fail when called to sacrifice.
    Whether braving death, hardship or pain,
    We give our lives as the price of glory.
    May this Our land, Sudan, live long,
    Showing all nations the way.
    Sons of the Sudan, summoned now to serve,
    Shoulder the task of preserving our country".

    First of all I would like to congratulate the Government of the independent Republic of Sudan on the fair and just trail it gave to the immoral English teacher. This really reflects the trustworthiness of the Sudanese people for the independency of the decisions and norms of their country regardless!!

    Nobody is above the law of the country. Their colonisation and slavery are things of the past, although they still believe in them up to date.
    Thus, it is our duty, the people of the third world countries to free our minds from the mentality of slavery and colonisation and start to own our decisions in total freedom by all means! It is up to us to reject their claim that we should be treated as subhuman! It is up to us to behave in the same way like the role models of the third world countries, people like Dr Robert Mugabi of Zimbabwe!! Castro of Cuba, Hussein of Iraq, Mohamedinajed of Iran, Hugo of Venezuela, among others of the greatest people of the third world countries, who said and are still saying no and loudly to the western mentality of colonisation and slavery. Even though it will cause us our lives like some of those I mentioned above, we have to be ourselves and speak our minds in total freedom. The poor English teacher whom I might consider to be lucky enough to work in Sudan (as she might end up homeless or junkie if she lives Britain) has offended Muslims and all the people of faith in particular(all the believers) when she immorally permitted her pupil to call her teddy bear by the name of the Muslim prophet.

    To me, Sudan did exceptionally well by punishing her in a civilised manner, not by slashing but by locking her up in accordance with her basic human rights.
    So, if British government or EU or USA or whichever country from hypocritical human right protectors question the fairness of that punishment, they may go to hell, because their great time in Sudan when they used to do as they like is over and thus they must now start to put up with whatever norm laid down by the government of the independent Sudan just like we are putting up with their norms here in Europe(UK) and the USA.

    Bol Thourmuuck of Greater Nuer Greater Nasir(UK)

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    • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 30 November 2007 18:45, by Thorum

      We in the West will continue to be patient while the Muslim barbarians, still a few centuries behind modern civilisation, catch up to modern societies. Thanks for the religious propaganda mate!!

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    • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 30 November 2007 19:16, by Juan

      While there may be many things wrong with ’norms here in Europe’, we can at least elect politicians of our own choosing and most of us do not believe that ’anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment’. This belief can be used to legitimise violence. Instead many of us try to be tolerant of difference and work to eradicate ignorance through education, but as in the Sudan, some seed falls on barren soil.
      With regard to this teacher’s treatment in Sudan compared with Europe - I cannot recall similar examples of crowds baying for the execution of a teacher where I live.

      And as to those who claim Robert Mugabe as a role model - they have only my pity.

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      • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 30 November 2007 19:38, by garrison

        BOl, I can’t help but notice that you post about primative Sudan from the comfort of the UK. Go back home if that’s the kind of government you want to live under.

        I am confused as to why they are wanting to execute the teacher who could not have known better since they name almost every boy Mohammad (which, in my opinion is a VERY grave insult to name a sinful imperfect being after the beloved Prophet...) AND NOT pushing to execute the MUSLIM children (or their Iman)who SHOULD have known better. In my opinion it is the children who violated THEIR religious law and should be the ones to be punished, and, toss in the local Iman for failing to do his job and properly educate the children about naming Teddy Bears after the Prophet.

        The children are the ones who should have known better, it’s THEIR religion.

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    • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 30 November 2007 21:19, by Zechariah Manyok Biar

      It is interesting that some people unlease their anger on others and think they represent their nations. I do not agree with Bombom that we in the Sudan can give our lives for issues such as the naming of the teddy bear after Mohamed or Jesus. Religion is personal not national. Those who think that they fight to defend God do not know what they are talking about, because they also sin against God.

      I agree with Bombom that the Colonialists mistreated us in the past. However, I do not think that there is a connection between colonialism and the allowing of student to name a teddy bear after the prophet of his choice. I also do not believe that we can blame the present generation for the atrocities committed by their fathers. Those who still think that colonialists are responsible for our problems in Africa today do not analyze the situation carefully. I can never call people like Sadam Husein my role models unless I was not in Sudan during the war that just ended. Magabe is not a role model to Africans either. People like Mandela are the real role models. Those who fight for the freedom of everybody are the role models, not the selfish people who think that nobody should smell their food but they themselves never hesitate to swallow what belongs to other people. I fought for six years in Sudan not because I want to be in a cocoon but to be a free citizen in a free world. I do not think that the world in which the teachers are imprisoned for the decision of their students is a free world.

      The people of Britain have the right to be emotional because what is happening to their citizen in Sudan right now cannot happen to her in England. Even if Gibbons is looking for job in Sudan, she needs to be respected. Is it a sin to look for job anywhere in the world? Why are we now in Europe and America if we were contented with our situation in Sudan?

      Zechariah Manyok Biar,
      Graduate Student at Abilene Christian University, Texas USA.

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      • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 30 November 2007 22:54, by Bombom

        Dear Zechariah Manyok Biar

        I am also a graduate student at one of London universities and I have just earned my BSc in Biotechnology from this great country, but all these are not in the expenses or cost of the dignity of my great country, Sudan!!

        I am very proud of the decision taken by the government of the independent Sudan! Simply because it was fair enough!

        Didn’t you hear about the European-American who gunned down two African-Americans, simply because they were stealing from his neighbour’s house? The guy is still free up to now and is being treated like a hero by his villagers, regardless of his crime?

        So,which one is bigger, 15 day imprisonment and deportation of English woman or killing of those two people because of a minor crime such as that they committed, burglary??????

        Without us freeing our minds from the mentality of slavery we will never go anywhere with all our knowledge.

        Nelson Mandela, the traitor who sold the blood of his people inexpensively can never be a role modle of any human being! because what he did was for his own benefit! Many South Africans got killed because of the trouble he caused them, thus, they freed him, he should have at least done something for them. He should have taken those killers of or apartheid masterminderss to face justice, I mean fair trails but not the nonsense reconciliation he did!! white adore hime because gave up his people! Dr Mugabi fought in the past and he still fighting for his people up to now that is why is not being adored by the west and USA HE IS OUR HERO TOO given to the way he used to treat SPLA those days! I am not a racist but I just being enraged by Western –USA double standards, USA still practising capital punishment, why it does that?

        Bol Thourmuck of Greater Nuer Greater Nasir(UK)

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        • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 30 November 2007 23:14, by garrison

          THEIVES, killed in the criminal act of ROBBERY

          VS

          a TEDDY BEAR?

          Prehaps if the AFRICANS were not ROBBING, they’d still be alive? Just a thought.

          "I am very proud of the decision taken by the government of the independent Sudan! Simply because it was fair enough!"

          Then why didn’t you get your education in the GREAT SUDAN, why aren’t you LIVING THERE?

          Your "people" are calling for this woman’s execution versus the execution of the real criminals, the CHILDREN who were educated in their religion and violated the rules of THEIR RELIGION. Shouldn’t THE CHILDREN, THEIR PARENTS, and THEIR IMAN also face execution because they were poorly educated and CLEARLT violated a rule of their religion?

          In the U.S. we are allowed to protect our lives and property from THEIVES and ROBBERS with deadly force, to equate a TEDDY bear with ROBBERY is absolutely insane and the act of an appologist.

          I don’t care what color a person is who comes into my home to rob me, I’ll shoot him dead and be glad of it. What is the penalty for THEFT in the Sudan? Getting your hand chopped off? exectution? Lashes?

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          • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 1 December 2007 21:17, by yar

            I agree with you . The Great Nuer of Nasir should have gotten his education from the University of Khartoum and moreover in Arabic. Maybe he does not feel good enough to receive it. and he had to go to UK for a humbler education in English the language of the colonizers. Please do not say "your people" if you mean the black Sudanese, but say your people if you mean the extremists. The black people of South SUdan do not reason like him. They stayed here during the war and suffered for the freedom of their people. millions died for it and they are still suffering. But he is enjoying his studies in London. Alas.
            by the way, I am not a Sudanese but I have been living here for many years teaching black children without receving any money. Believe me!!!

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            • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 3 December 2007 17:46, by Bombom

              YOUR ARE JUST A COWED BITCH THAT I KNOW PERSONALLY! ENJOY YOUR COWED COMEMENT THAT TRYING TO PLEASE UK OR USA OR ANY DEVIL FROM WESTERN CONTRIES!
              BUT I AM SUDENESE ANYWAY AND I SUPPORT MY COUNTRY THAT I LOVE VERY MUCH! GOING BACK YES DON’T WORRY I WILL! BUT DON’T BE COWED BY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING COWED BY MOJAADEEN IN IRAQ AND INTA ALHA IN SUDAN!

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        • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 1 December 2007 03:11, by Zechariah Manyok Biar

          Dear Bombom,

          I have seen the reason why you are bitter with the British. Some of them think that the Africans are the same Africans of long time ago. However, let us not develop hatred now. Let those who like to hate other people do it. I do not appreciate it whether it is done by the Africans or by the Westerners. I do not agree with Muslims’ views also. They seem to be insensitive in most cases.

          When it came to whether I am slave in my mind or not, I do not know. It is for others to judge. What I know so far is that I came to the USA this year for my Master’s Degree. I fought for freedom of our people in Sudan until the time I was sent back to school by my commander who was not even my relative.

          So my brother, cool down. Do not let other people teach you their hatred for others. I am amazed at the way some British react to your comments. I believe everybody has the right to express his or her opinion. But those who generalize people are the cause of racial hatred in this world. I do not want us to be part of those who hate other people for no reason. If the British justified their killing of anybody without trying him or her, then they should keep quiet about what is going on in Sudan now. However, I appreciate some British who apologized on behalf of their emotional brothers and sisters. I can also apologize on your behalf, brother Bombom. I know you are psychologically affected by what you are going through in England. However, let us understand the emotion of the people of England now.

          Zechariah Manyok Biar,
          Graduate Student at Abilene Christian University, Texas, USA.

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          • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 2 December 2007 14:19, by European

            Dear Zechariah,

            why do "westerners" get emotional, when they have to read statements like Bombom’s". Because they spend billions of dollars, euros and pounds on development aid to countries like sudan, either directly, through the UN or NGO’s. They send their soldiers, policemen, TEACHERS and experts to enhance peace and security and to promote development. For that, those get harassed, gunpointed, threatened, killed or imprisoned for nothing. Talking about colonialism: Isn’t it true, that the "coloianilists" left something like an infrastructure behind, even a railway, which could have helped to support millions of people, if it would not have been blown by the Sudanese ? After the withdrawal of the colonial powers, the sudanese achieved nothing but war, destruction and corruption. And even now, you are waiting for Kawajas to come and build, educate, treat medically and help, whereas people like Bombom sit in cosy London, Canada, US or elsewhere, whining about how horrible life in Sudan is and even fueling the conflict between North and South.

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            • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 3 December 2007 17:40, by Bombom

              Rick come and let me drink your dirty blood or else Bin Ladin will do it for me! your days are numbers I know you your fade is comming! come back to europe! ignorant idiots like you rick and garison deseve to die!Rick can we meet!

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            • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 3 December 2007 19:06, by Bombom

              Brother I know that you may be one of the few Southerners who are still ignorant about the cause of their suferring!but let me tell you that what you called kawags is infact the one that sucked your blood! even though it will take you ages to realise what I am talking about today try to believe me anyway! you will not easily realise that too only when you study in the western countries! but let me not waste my time as I believe you will learn this by yourself!calling yourself European will never make you a real european other than a second class one and by that time you be thinking about where you come from!

              I don’t have any personal problem with any well behaved european but my problem is with those whom I wish to meet so as to teach them how to leave their animalist way of life(gayism) and start to behave like human beings!ignorant people like the so-called Garrison and Rick are just a joke to me and I hope they are preparing their asses for Bin Ladin second wave of terror!

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        • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 1 December 2007 05:57, by rick american

          You’re an idiot. Look at what happened to Rhodesia! Your english suck’s too. Like I said, I’ll be visiting Africa after you all die of Aids, kill each other and starve to death. You won’t be there to carry my bags but you know what? We’re kicking out the Mexicans next, they can pick our vegetables overe there! >grin< You’re an idiot.
          Rick American

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          • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 1 December 2007 07:17, by Zechariah Manyok Biar

            Dear Rich,

            I don’t think you are better than anybody. Think about it. I only respect your opinions but not your intelligence. You had better stop. You are making things worst.

            Zechariah Manyok Biar.

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            • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 1 December 2007 22:36, by rick american

              I wasn’t trying to make thngs better! I’m sick to death of Muslims, African’s and the rest of the world’s low quality humans. This has nothing to do with race, I have many friends of other races, I just am sick of low quality humans pulling the crap that they do. What have the Arab’s & Africans done lately? I may not be better than anyone else but my race and culture surely are! Look at what we have accomplished verus the low quality humans! I wish the world had one goverment and we all got along and we made boats for everyone to enjoy instead of aircraft carrier’s but with the world being taken over by a bunch of religious mental cases this is where we are. Like I said, until the world is united as one we are on different teams and I want my team to win! Not only that, being a Patriot’s fan, I WANT TO RUN UP THE SCORE! I’m not trying to make it better, you people have taken a live and let live liberal and turned me into someone who wants to exterminate all of you or at least stop feeding you and trying to cure your disease’s and let nature take it’s course! The sooner you all kill yourselves and die of disease and starvation the better off we will all be.

              Rick

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          • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 1 December 2007 21:43, by yar

            Rick,
            are you a native american? an apachi or sioux. How do you call yourself an american? you are coming from another country as much as the mexicans who want to kick out. the american economy wihtout the mexicans would be below zero. and you can starve to death becasue you do not know even how to bend to collect your vegetables.

            Aids? what’s about you? are you not dying of Aids? just because you take retroviral medicines and you can live longer? So Do you really will survive all the Africans?

            If the africans are killing each other, we know very well that you AMericans are behind as any other western country. so stop stirring up conflicts and shut up, once for all.
            a western

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          • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 3 December 2007 19:38, by Bombom

            Rick your are a real motherfucker THAT I WISH TO SEE AND KILL BY MYSELF!

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    • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 1 December 2007 20:58, by yar

      Thoummuck,
      it is easy to speak like this as you sit confortably in UK, in the country of those people who you hate so much. As you enjoy your freedom in a foreign country, many of your people in South Sudan are suffering under the evil of a fundamentalist regime. Do the black people really enjoy the anthem you have mentioned? I never heard singing such a song in Upper Nile. Many Jenubim like you do not benefit of the rights that others are enjoying. Come and share the portion of sufferings that many sudanese are going through right now. Can the people of South Sudan really sing the Anthem freely and believe that the anthem is for them as well?
      poor you! do not ashame the rest of Sudanese People. Freedom should be inside of you but you are still enslaved by the past. ARe you against the colonizers? why do you live with them. Come back to your country and teach your people. May be the lady who is suffering jail now, could be enjoying her retirement in UK. I am not from there but I know Europe enough to be aware that at her age she cannot be a "Junkie or homeless" as you describe her. She could be living well in UK enjoying her pension. THerefore, come back and take her place in teaching the Muslims children, you might know better the norms to be respected.

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      • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 2 December 2007 04:43, by garrison

        Excellent remarks Yar! It is up to the educated Sudaneese to see to it that the children of Sudan are educated, so that THEY know it is improper to name a teddy bear Mohammad.

        You asked Thou many hard questions, I don’t know that he can answer them...after all, how many other Sudaneese would flee their country to a land of democracy (imperfect as it is) that at least offers the CHANCE to become whatever you desire. Back home in the Sudan he’d be living under Sharia law, herding goats, and wearing a bedsheet.

        No one likes to think of Colonialsim, and the far reaching consequences, especially when the Europeans did MOVE in and make themselves at home, those with the power rarely consider that it is incorrect to exercise it. But HOW LONG AGO WAS THAT??? Knowing a bit about African history, I hazard a guess that when the colonialists left, they left the Sudan in slightly better shape than they found it. It is not the fault of the Colonialists that the Sudanees have lost nearly EVERYTHING they COULD have taken advantage of and used to their advantage to GROW and PROSPER...no, instead they live under archaic religious laws, grift, and a flat out maniac for a President (not saying BUSH is not a maniac, but if he behaved on American soil as Mugabe has on Sudaneese, I betcha he’d not last a week before he was assassinated. Americans simply would not stand for it.)

        THE SUDANEESE are solely to blame for their current world position, if they don’t like it, it is fully within their power to change it. American farmers armed with NOTHING more than hunting rifles defeated what was, at the time, the GREATEST ARMY on the face of the earth....we did it, so can anyone else.

        Rather than punish a kind woman for daring to come to the Sudan to CARE FOR sudaneese children and EDUCATE them, how about all the Sudaneese EXPATS put their actions where their mouths are, pack your bags and leave the cushy western countries you are mooching off of and go home and take responsibility for your OWN CHILDREN, that way kindly evil British teachers can stay home and enjoy a cuppa tea and a nice retirement rather than the thankless mobs of a backwards ignorant country.

        I saw first hand what a mess the Arabs in Tunisia made of the BEAUTIFUL prosperous plantations they stole in the revolution. At least the land that the Europeans had was BOUGHT and paid for...the plantations, which could have continued to produce, are a heaping pile of nothing. The plantations and farms taken from the white farmes in Rhodesia, take a look at them now. That is why that country is starving. WHOSE fault is that?

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        • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 2 December 2007 14:00, by European

          Full support, garrison. In the last months, sudanese expats were highly active in this forum, fuelling the conflict about CPA implementation and promoting war. The few benefits of the colonial era were destroyed over the recent years. Nobody but the sudanese are to blame for their misery.

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    • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 2 December 2007 14:34, by European

      Dear Bombom,

      Sudan "showing all nations the way". This can only be a joke. Your words are inspired by nothing but stupid nationalism, which thank god, western civilizations have overcome. So go home to Sudan, in your beloved GREAT COUNTRY, and see, what your contrymen have achieved by themselves - it it nothing.

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      • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 2 December 2007 23:17, by sudanson

        To the poaster European and rick, stop trying to create hatred int he name of Europe and America against Africa, please stop claiming to be civilized when your actions and reactions here on this news websites show how uncivilized and childish you guys sound, go seek some knowledge about sudan please before jumping in with discussions that do not make sense, if you are here to defend the arrested british then please present youself in a well behaved manner and try and show that you are fromt he civilized world you claim, you are both acting barbaric and uncivilized. Not all Sudanese are involved in this saga just as not all British where involved in slave trade and colonialism of other peoples territories, And please think again if you think Sudan relays on Europe for help you are dead wrong, Sudan is now getting more independent and has massive reserves of oil and gas, it also has abundoned resources to support itself, tell me how much money britain gives the Sudan government, and prove it with fact data please, is it about $100 million given to the NGOs? is that alot of money to you compared to the whole money Sudan has? all the money your government gives go to the NGOs whos workers are all from your country and so the money goes back to their pockets and no developments on the ground, so please watch your mouth cos Sudan can do better without Britian, its 21st centuary world and new super powers are coming out from other world regions now.
        Mrs Gillian is innocent and i wanna see her free soon, but please do not turn this issues into a race like Africa vs Europe as some British are trying to do, cos it wouldn’t help both sides, if you don’t respect others and if you overeact and start insults against others, then what is the difference between you and those who arrested Gillian?
        no one forces anyone to come to africa from other parts of the world, if they wanna work for NGOs and do business or earn money, but they choose to do soon out of their own good will and they can stop to do so when they wishplease try to keep it between Sudan and Britian only and keep the discussion subject to the event. by Sudanese Christian

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        • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 3 December 2007 14:49, by Aphrican

          For goodness sake, the lady did not make a mistake, the kid named a teddy bear Mohamad. I’m going to name my german shepard Mohamad. And screw all those who condamned Ms Gibbons, I don’t care if she is English or not. She is innocent and thats that. By the way, that lousy president of Sudan should honestly be hang for his crimes against humanity and scrap that worthless so call sharia law. I’m not against Islam but we should question the end result of this bizaar religion.

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      • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 3 December 2007 17:12, by Bombom

        Sudan means; Land of black (for the information of any ignorant American or European who doesn’t know that) thus; it is not an Arab country as other uninformed people might be thinking it is. Also, like any country in the world, Sudan is a very diverse country in terms of religious conviction and ethnicity! It has Africans (majority) and those of Arab origins (minority ethnic group).

        Well, some people may surprise why African majority are not dominating and why they are poor? To me, the answer is very simple because all these problems that are being faced now by the vast majority of Africans in Sudan, were created by the greedy and robbers who colonised Sudan! As during the time when they were developing northern, South was in completele isolation, as the robbers were aiming to remain there! then, when they suddenly decided to leave Sudan and as a united country, the undeveloped southern became the victim of British isolation during the colonisation, and thus was unable to catch up with development that the north was seeing,then, wars followed as the imported Western religion that was adopted by the few southerners stated to clash with Islamic north who mistakenly regarded southerners as agents of the colonisation, while British who caused them all those problems completely turned a blind eye to their problems! Then, who should we blame for the ongoing suffering of African Sudanese?? British who allied with Egypt in their colonisation of Sudan and the mess they caused there or poor northerners who were just irritated by the imported western religion observed by few southerners even though it is abandoned by its exporters!!

        For Southern Sudanese!! We should have the sense of belonging to Sudan, we are blaming northern Sudanese for our marginalisation but I believe we are the most contributors to our marginalisation because we lack sense of nationalism and therefore we behave like guests in our own Land the beloved Sudan! Home is home! look at the European Americans who migrated to America ages ago are still proud of their home (Europe) so, if we think that any thing happens to Sudan should be the responsibility of Northerners than, why are we surprised by their claim that they are the first class citizens of Sudan! Why we think that Sudan national anthem doesn’t include us when we are the citizens of the independent republic of Sudan! Because of the civil war! Then, which country didn’t fight? In the UK, English migrants fought with Scottish and Irish but now they are united hence UK, German fought themselves and even divided their country which they reunited afterward, even USA fought itself but united even though against the will of southern states! So, can’t we do the same to live united like anyone else! I am not surprised by comments of some cowed southerners given to the fear of backslash but what about the backslash of USA and Europeans in the third world countries!! i am going to Sudan but will any American and westerner come to their europe! I mean will they leave America, Africa and others countries where they are robbing their people as I am writting this commnet?

        Sudan shows you (immoral Europeans and Americans) the way of ethics and morals, things that make human being dissimilar from Animal. Sudan is poor becuase they didn’t sell human beings for money! Sudan is poor just like polland and Bulgaria , among other poor european countries which didn’t have a chance of robbing other countries! but above all this, we are very rich in culture and moral so, we have to export those to you in the west,because you killed them long ago like you said and begin to live even worse than animal! where men marry men and women marry themselves!that is what you called civilisation my friend! in Sudan, people are still preserving their cultures and religious conviction. Whereas, you in the West and USA destroyed such things ages ago leading to your current animalist and devilish lifestyle or lbehaviour of disrespect to religion and other values and choose to behave even worse than animals.

        Coming to the point of why I am here! Well, I used to think in the same way like yar and others who seem to be irritated by my comment, that people in the west think rationally or may they are intellectual until I proved myself wrong, as in fact they are extremely foolish , no wonder why they don’t want us to come to their countries so that we will not discover how much Western are foolish and ignorant! They are stupid in any sense of the word stupid and idiots too accordingly, because how can they try to prevent people from coming to their countries that they built from the money they robbed from those poor people’s countries? They came to what they called third world countries, stole their properties and left them deprived! They didn’t rob only the natural recourses they even traded with people slavery! Yes they shipped Africans to Europe and America! Who gave them permission to come and contaminated Africa? They hate us now because we kicked their asses out of Africa and from other third world countries.

        What if all the deprived and suppressed people of the third world countries allied with (…………….) to Fight the devilish West and Americans colonist?? With Bin Ladin as the commander in chief of the God’s army!! And Hugo, Morles and Fidel as the forefront commanders of the Latin and Caribbean front, and people like Dr Mugabe, Thourmuck, Mamer Allgadafi, Mahmmeddinajed and Al-sheik Naseralh as commanders of Mid-east and African fronts! Think twice before the people of the world gang up against you!!

        Thourmcuk of Greater Nuer (UK)

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        • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 3 December 2007 21:41, by garrison

          Well Thou, all I can say is that I hope that the government of the UK knows about you and your political leanings and is keeping a close eye on you. You’re a terrorist in the making, if not in fact. (BTW Osama is DEAD)I am certain you’ll get a ticket home to the Sudan should your rantings here become public. I am sure your country will welcome you back with open arms, sharia, law, and a herd of goats all your own to mind.

          The Sudan is a mess because of the brutal leadership. One need only google Sudan and starvation to wonder why, if Sudan is such a wealthy well-educated country, why it’s population is being murdered and starving at record rates.

          Stop blaming all your problems on the colonisalism because when the whites up and left is when all the problems started....you folks just can’t get it together. The Colonists created infrastructure out of nothing, built it up and when given control your country has in effect destroyed it. The Sudan was not starving under colonial rule...it sure as hell is starving now.

          In February 1953, the United Kingdom and Egypt concluded an agreement providing for Sudanese self-government and self-determination. The transitional period toward independence began with the inauguration of the first parliament in 1954. With the consent of the British and Egyptian Governments, Sudan achieved independence on 1 January 1956, under a provisional constitution. The United States was among the first foreign powers to recognize the new state. However, the Arab-led Khartoum government reneged on promises to southerners to create a federal system, which led to a mutiny by southern army officers that sparked seventeen years of civil war (1955-1972). In the early period of the war, hundreds of northern bureaucrats, teachers, and other officials, serving in the south were massacred.

          The National Unionist Party (NUP), under Prime Minister Ismail al-Azhari, dominated the first cabinet, which was soon replaced by a coalition of conservative political forces. In 1958, following a period of economic difficulties and political maneuvering that paralyzed public administration, Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Ibrahim Abboud overthrew the parliamentary regime in a bloodless coup d’état.

          Gen. Abboud did not carry out his promises to return Sudan to civilian government, however, and popular resentment against army rule led to a wave of riots and strikes in late October 1964 that forced the military to relinquish power.

          The Abboud regime was followed by a provisional government until parliamentary elections in April 1965 led to a coalition government of the Umma and National Unionist Parties under Prime Minister Muhammad Ahmad Mahjoub. Between 1966 and 1969, Sudan had a series of governments that proved unable either to agree on a permanent constitution or to cope with problems of factionalism, economic stagnation, and ethnic dissidence. The succession of early post-independence governments were dominated by Arab Muslims who viewed Sudan as a Muslim Arab state. Indeed, the Umma/NUP proposed 1968 constitution was arguably Sudan’s first Islamic-oriented constitution.

          Dissatisfaction culminated in a second coup d’état on May 25, 1969. The coup leader, Col. Gaafar Nimeiry, became prime minister, and the new regime abolished parliament and outlawed all political parties.

          Disputes between Marxist and non-Marxist elements within the ruling military coalition resulted in a briefly successful coup in July 1971, led by the Sudanese Communist Party. Several days later, anti-communist military elements restored Nimeiry to power.

          In 1972, the Addis Ababa Agreement led to a cessation of the north-south civil war and a degree of self-rule. This led to ten years hiatus in the civil war.

          Until the early 1970s, Sudan’s agricultural output was mostly dedicated to internal consumption. In 1972, the Sudanese government became more pro-Western, and made plans to export food and cash crops. However, commodity prices declined throughout the 1970s causing economic problems for Sudan. At the same time, debt servicing costs, from the money spent mechanizing agriculture, rose. In 1978, the IMF negotiated a Structural Adjustment Program with the government. This further promoted the mechanized export agriculture sector. This caused great economic problems for the pastoralists of Sudan (See Nuba Peoples).

          In 1976, the Ansars mounted a bloody but unsuccessful coup attempt. In July 1977, President Nimeiry met with Ansar leader Sadiq al-Mahdi, opening the way for reconciliation. Hundreds of political prisoners were released, and in August a general amnesty was announced for all opponents of Nimeiry’s government.

          In 1983 the civil war was reignited following the government’s Islamicization policy which would have instituted Islamic law, among other things. After several years of fighting, the government compromised with southern groups.

          On April 6, 1985, a group of military officers, led by Lieutenant General Abd ar Rahman Siwar adh Dhahab, overthrew Nimeiri, who took refuge in Egypt. Three days later, Dhahab authorized the creation of a fifteen-man Transitional Military Council (TMC) to rule Sudan.

          In June 1986, Sadiq al Mahdi formed a coalition government with the Umma, the DUP, the NIF, and four southern parties. Unfortunately, however, Sadiq proved to be a weak leader and incapable of governing Sudan. Party factionalism, corruption, personal rivalries, scandals, and political instability characterized the Sadiq regime. After less than a year in office, Sadiq al Mahdi dismissed the government because it had failed to draft a new penal code to replace the sharia, reach an agreement with the IMF, end the civil war in the south, or devise a scheme to attract remittances from Sudanese expatriates. To retain the support of the DUP and the southern political parties, Sadiq formed another ineffective coalition government.

          In 1989, it appeared the war would end, but a coup d’état brought a military junta into power which was not interested in compromise. Since that time the war raged across Sudan.

          The civil war has displaced more than 4 million southerners. Some fled into southern cities, such as Juba; others trekked as far north as Khartoum and even into Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda, Egypt, and other neighboring countries. These people were unable to grow food or earn money to feed themselves, and malnutrition and starvation became widespread. The lack of investment in the south resulted as well in what international humanitarian organizations call a “lost generation” who lack educational opportunities, access to basic health care services, and little prospects for productive employment in the small and weak economies of the south or the north.

          Peace talks between the southern rebels and the government made substantial progress in 2003 and early 2004, although skirmishes in parts of the south have reportedly continued. The two sides have agreed that, following a final peace treaty, southern Sudan will enjoy autonomy for six years, and after the expiration of that period, the people of southern Sudan will be able to vote in a referendum on independence. Furthermore, oil revenues will be divided equally between the government and rebels during the six-year interim period. The ability or willingness of the government to fulfill these promises has been questioned by some observers, however, and the status of three central and eastern provinces was a point of contention in the negotiations. Some observers wondered whether hard line elements in the north would allow the treaty to proceed.

          In early 2003, a new rebellion in the western region of Darfur began. The rebels accuse the central government of neglecting the Darfur region, although there is uncertainty regarding the objectives of the rebels and whether they merely seek an improved position for Darfur within Sudan or outright secession. Both the government and the rebels have been accused of atrocities in this war, although most of the blame has fallen on Arab militias (Janjaweed) allied with the government. The rebels have alleged that these militias have been engaging in ethnic cleansing in Darfur, and the fighting has displaced hundreds of thousands of people, many of them seeking refuge in neighboring Chad. The government claimed victory over the rebels after capturing Tine, a town on the border with Chad, in early 2004, but violence continues and as of 2005 the humanitarian situation remains very poor.

          The Chadian-Sudanese conflict officially started on December 23, 2005, when the government of Chad declared a state of war with Sudan and called for the citizens of Chad to mobilize themselves against the "common enemy," which the Chadian government sees as the Rally for Democracy and Liberty (RDL) militants, Chadian rebels, backed by the Sudanese government, and Sudanese militiamen. Militants have attacked villages and towns in eastern Chad, stealing cattle, murdering citizens, and burning houses. Over 200,000 refugees from the Darfur region of northwestern Sudan currently claim asylum in eastern Chad. Chadian president Idriss Déby accuses Sudanese President Omar Hasan Ahmad al-Bashir of trying to "destabilize our country, to drive our people into misery, to create disorder and export the war from Darfur to Chad."

          An attack on the Chadian town of Adré near the Sudanese border led to the deaths of between one hundred and three hundred rebels based upon conflicting news reports. The Sudanese government was blamed for the attack, which was the second in the region in three days, but Sudanese foreign ministry spokesman Jamal Mohammed Ibrahim denies any Sudanese involvement, "We are not for any escalation with Chad. We technically deny involvement in Chadian internal affairs." This attack was the final straw that led to the declaration of war by Chad and the alleged deployment of the Chadian airforce into Sudanese airspace, which the Chadian government denies.

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        • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 3 December 2007 22:08, by garrison

          I wanna be like Osama

          See online : http://http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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          • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 3 December 2007 22:09, by garrison

            I WANNA BE LIKE OSAMA

            See online : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeDD...

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            • Anyone who made a mistake deserves punishment 4 December 2007 18:49, by Bombom

              hiGarrison

              If mentioning your suppression of the people of the third world countries makes me a terrorist either in the making of in deeds as you suggested, let me be that even tenfold just the same way your governments are relating Dr Mugabe with Hitler because he denounces your unjust occupation of the fertile agricultural lands by the so-called white!

              Which African owns a farm here in Europe or in America! And what is the use of the independence if your land can still be owned by the robber colonisers! Dr Mugabe took his decision of kicking out the buster colonisers and land occupiers after a good ten years of waiting, if I was in his place I would have kicked out those buster occupiers from the day one of the independence of Zimbabwe!

              Where are the coloniser’s promises that it will compensate their settler after years as it will be raising funds during that period? If taking land from a coloniser’s Second World War generals a crime against humanity I can do that too!
              You are ridiculously make nose here on this internet site about your hypocritical aid to the third world countries when in fact you are creating jobs over there under the cover of relieving those countries! How much money did you spend genuinely to create permanent or long lasting projects in the countries you are claiming to have aided other than going there and waste the money that you are supposed to spend wisely on the purpose! What is the qualification of the people you send to work in those countries? Are they really quality or a bunch of junkies who if they stay here they cause the take payers very huge amount of money as they will only spend their time drinking and abusing drugs the very thing that you are good at! Being there in those third world countries is more beneficial to themselves than to the people of those countries that they are hypocritically claiming to assist! Ask them to stop working there and witness their reaction by yourself! I worked once with some people in India and Burma and I know exactly what working for the so-called INGOs means and who benefits more, them or the locals! Therefore, if people like Yar are working there voluntarily, that means they are compostable as well otherwise, I doubt any reason that may make them to be there in the first place! If you think that your so-called aid to our countries is more beneficial to us than you then, stop it but where are you going to employ your alcoholics or junkies!

              For your on information Garrison, I am one of the few Africans who care a less about your so-called deportation! I told what I am telling you now to one stupid Dutch policeman when he tried to intimidate me with deportation; I told him that I am happy to go home because that is where I was brought up!! But go and get the hell of your people out of our African continent especially, the southern Africa as they are cancerous to the people of that region given to their malignant deed of apartheid! So, intimidating me with deportation by your British Government is just a dirty joke to me said by a ignorant pork eater! You backing up of your ignorant Rick’s comment that he will be happy to visit Africa after all its people have been wiped off by HIV/AIDS!! And my reply to it was that I will be happy to visit America when its people are wiped off by HIV/AIDS, hurricanes and Bin Ladin’s looming second wave of terrorist attack!! if you don’t care about us because your are busters and idiots who do not care about their own kinds we will be just like you!

              I am a scientist even before I come to live in the UK just like the thousands of third world scientists and Drs who are living and working in this country! If you know the nature of the work force in the UK you can know how much rubbish your comment worth! Ask your British government to stop business with us in the third world countries and we will be happy to leave even voluntarily! Otherwise shut up and mind your words before you make us think to think of mobbing up against your devilish wishes and deeds! know one thing that hatred produce only hatred! Your ridiculous deeds sometimes remind us about your repression of our people and robberies of their resources!

              What do you mean by your junk comment of the republic’s story? Are you trying to deny the fact that you’re the one that caused this mess the republic is going through? Then who stole our resources, other than your ancestors who robbed Africa its people and recourses! Go and familiarise yourself with the story of Africa specially the looting colonisation and slavery or trading with human beings and yet you think of yourselves as the civilised, if such dirty and animalist deeds were committed by the people who pretended to be the civilised then, what the uncivilised people would have done? You are rich because you have been enriching yourselves with the resources you are stealing from the third world countries, either by unjust trading or through exploitation of their recourses by your greedy companies! So, in order to stop that manes, we the suppressed people of those countries have to retaliate and as I put it above! So, prepare yourselves or be ready for that!

              Thourmuck (UK)

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  • Garrison

    Why do you want to hide the bad things happening over there in your country? The institutional descrimination going on against other minorities in your country, is that what you call civilized? how about those minorities being refused job opportunities, thier kids being kicked out of school,the poor housing and poverty ravaging the poor in silence, why are you ashame of talking about your bad things while you are quck and happy to jump and talk about other peoples bad things, you like to talk about only the good things in your country while bad things about others, try and be reasonable and portray and fair and just view. How about the war and descrimination in north Ireland, why only the rich are happy while the low income people and being hold as slave to the system in your country, why is there high rate of family instability and abuse of children by old men? why don’t you address this things in your own country instead of running after other peoples problems when you have a bunch of crisis in your own house. I funny thing is we don’t see this things in the news, all we see is the good news while the real problem is kept in the background. Christians here have a good relationship with hristians in America and Europe and want to keep that relations strong and clean, but people like you are just ignorant and full of hate and rascism which is a big shame while you claim you are from a civilized nation cos your actions don’t match with the words.

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    • Sudanson, I don’t know what news papers you are reading, but institutional discrimation has been constitutionally outlawed in the U.S. since the 1960’s and anyone who feels they are discriminated against for race, religion, color of skin, or some physical disabilities has full legal recourse. Also, there is no longer a war in Northern Ireland. (I am guessing you are speaking of the IRA and the conflicts between Catholics and Protestant??) Try to find some more recent newspapers to read....catch up...but then, that’s the whole problem in the Sudan isn’t it? Still goat herding, still starving, still fighting...years after given a chance by the WORLD to stop it, and still being fed by the rest of the world.

      ANY country has problems, but I hardly think you can compare the "plight" of poor blacks in the U.S. to the situation of the whole country of the Sudan. Even the poorest Americans are 100% better off than the whole country of Sudan. IF Mugabe would stop raping the profits for HIMSELF of the oil in the Sudan and use those profits to FEED HIS COUNTRY you all would be far better off. IF "educated" (I’d hate to think your latest post is evidence of education since it is so behind the times) Sudaneese would return to their war-torn country and act as leaders for reform I’m sure those changes could happen much faster...however I spotted a former president of the Sudan jet setting in France...in a country SO POOR (Sudan) how did this man get so rich???

      See online : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeDD...

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      • Mohammed is a popular boy’s name in muslim countries,how can calling a teddy bear be insulting a prophet?
        This is just another example of muslim fanaticism.

        I’m not surprised this paper received abusive emails,an innocent woman was persecuted for absolutely nothing.

        I bought a teddy bear for £5,i sold it for £7,i made a prophet of £2.

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        • I forgot to mention in my last post that all you Brits should stop apologising for abusive emails from the UK when the rights of a British woman were seriously abused,if you lot want to show how spineless you are that’s fine,i just hope most of us don’t get classed the same.

          If you feel embarrassed by a natural reaction then i suggest you go and live in Sudan.

          I’ve just seen a link on this website entitled "Human Rights" I’ve just about stopped laughing.President Bashir believes there is a Western plot to to remove children from Chad and return them to Sudan to spread Christianity.
          See the mentality people are up against.

          Jihad My Undies.

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      • Sudan is poor like Poland and Bulgaria because we didn’t drink others’ blood like USA mafia that drank Latin Americas’ bloods and that of Caribbean’s!! USA was developed free of charge i.e. with unpaid labour by your African slaves! If I get in their minds I can make them to think of retaliation or they should have to pay you back by collaborating with (......) to destroy you! West Europeans are rich because they looted African and Asian resources and traded with their people for sell! They will be paid back as well, it just a matter of time they are talking about holocaust but they forgot that slavery and colonisation are just timed bombs waiting to explode your asses!

        Above all this, we are very rich in moral and respect for the creator of this world so, we never like to behave like animals! the what you call your way of life! What is wrong with herd of goats or farming? where do you get meat in America or you mean people should only herd pigs? We find pigs very dirty my friend as they look like dogs, why eating dogs? We prefer goat or cow beef than pork is it a wrong thing!

        Look! you eat pork and yet you are laughing at those who eat monkeys and dogs, is not ironic because what is different between pork meat and monkey or dog meat although I don’t eat any of them I don’t think you will be able to differentiate them for me!
        We have oil in Sudan as this information will be of special interest to you as you are always fascinated with oil news but don’t attack us like Iraq as we will be highly lethal to you! Sudan that you are calling poor will soon supply you with oil if china will allow that! The poverty in Sudan should not be your only worry because Iran having of nuclear weapon will mean the end of your oppression of the people of the third world as they will pass on the technology to other third world countries and the pay back will then start with my command!! Prepare yourself garrison as the storm of revenge is coming!

        Thourmuck

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        • The Sudan is too busy killing Sudaneese to worry about killing anyone else. What, you going to come after the rest of the world waving your cermonial swords and shouting Allah Akbar? Ok well, we can wait for that.

          In case you didn’t know, Americans paid a very high price to end the evil of Slavery, close to 700,000 citizens dead, black, white, and Indian, to end it. More than has been lost in any other war we’v fought in.

          Learn your history.

          ...Sudan – President Omar Hasan Ahmad al-Bashir

          Pity the largely impoverished population of Africa’s largest state, especially if they belong to the half which is Black African. President Al-Bashir was ‘elected’ in 1996 but can trace his time in power back to his days in the Sudanese and Egyptian armies when in 1989 he overthrew a democratically elected government and set about establishing an authoritarian, as well as fundamentalist Islamic, state in Sudan. This gained momentum when in 1991 Sudan introduced the archaic Sharia law, exacerbating the already festering conflict with the largely Christian south of the country. Though an uneasy peace has been signed in relation to the south of the country, unaddressed grievences in the western region of Darfur in have helped renew Al-Bashir’s notoriety.

          The overt support his Government lends to the racist and genocidal nomadic militia known as the Janjaweed and its pillaging of the Darfur region, driving millions of its inhabitants into a desperate exile in neighbouring Chad and the Central African Republic, has recently gained the World’s attention. The International Community, however, has unfortunately fumbled its response to Al-Bashir, and China, with an eye on Sudanese oil, has even stepped up investment into the country.

          Al-Bashir is fully implicated in the genocide occuring in Darfur which at present has claimed over 200,000 lives, yet neither the African Union nor the United Nations has been able to bring him to account. Al-Bashir is able to continue with his ruinous leadership safe in the knowledge that he is unlikely to be directly challenged by anyone, either internally or externally. Meanwhile life in the fractured country of Sudan for the majority of its inhabitants remains very bleak indeed.

          See online : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeDD...

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