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February 16, 2011 (JUBA) – Leaders of political parties at a meeting in Juba have unanimously agreed that the new state to be created in the region will be be called the Republic of South Sudan (RoSS).

The naming receive the agreement of all the political forces in the South - due to become independent after a referendum in January - including the ruling Sudan People’s Liberation Movement (SPLM).

All the political parties in the semi-autonomous region converged in Juba on Wednesday to discuss the process of transition in the emerging independent state after the overwhelming vote for secession from North Sudan in the January’s referendum.

During the opening of the political parties leadership forum chaired by South Sudan president and SPLM chairman, Salva Kiir Mayardit, the leaders of the parties endorsed a report presented by the chairman of the Southern Sudan 2011 Taskforce, Riek Machar Teny, the regions vice president, which outlined the role being played by the body that serves as the government’s think-tank on the referendum, post-referendum issues and the future governance of the soon-to-be-independent South Sudan.

This meeting follows the all parties’ conference held in Juba in October 2010.

In a press statement issued after the meeting, Machar said representatives of political parties, civil society organizations and faith-based groups would be included in the membership of the taskforce and contribute to resolutions of challenges ahead.

He announced that the Wednesday meeting endorsed the name of the new country and added that the political parties will on Thursday discuss the type of flag and name of the currency for the independent state.

The vice president also added that the issue of including the political parties in the technical committee on constitutional review will also be discussed, among other issues in the process of transition.

In a separate press conference on Wednesday, the minister of Peace and CPA Implementation, Pagan Amum, who also serves as the SPLM’s secretary general, said that the emerging independent state will be formed on inclusivity of all the political parties in order to achieve a smooth transition.

He said the SPLM’s political bureau, the highest political body of the party, also approved the name of the Republic of South Sudan for the new state on Monday.

Amum also added that the party preferred the SPLM flag, which has already been serving as an interim flag for the Government of Southern Sudan, to remain as the national flag of the new independent state. It will however be subjected to endorsement by all the political parties and after which the political decision will be presented to the parliament for further deliberations and final endorsement.

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  • 17 February 2011 06:17, by Kim Deng

    Folks,

    The "New Sudan," vision was trashed into trash bin on July 30, 2005.

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    • 17 February 2011 06:34, by Abuoi Jook

      Kim Deng
      The New Sudan strategy produced what you are happily enjoying unknowingly. It is the golden Ideology of New Sudan vision that gave South the Self-detaermination leading to this full independent on 9th July and the consultation to the three areas together with the failed Abyei Referendum which could have taken place simulteneously with that of the South on January 9th 2010.
      So, Kim we never arrived where we currently are without New Sudan Strategy where we took on board would be enemies to also claim their own destiny. I proudly called it briliant Idea by the Smart visionary leader.
      Hope poor sighted like you get it from here!

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      • 17 February 2011 06:39, by Abuoi Jook

        I am pretty supportive of adopting the current Southern Sudan Flag and further suggest that SPLM must be told to get itself new flag and give up current one for the nation.
        I am also very contented with the Pound as our currency, just the minor changes would be needed such as elimination of Arabic writings on it and may be add on Southern values that exclude Northern connotations if any.

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        • 17 February 2011 08:45, by Lokaku

          The flag for RoSS? Just remove that STUPID STAR and I am ok with the rest.

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          • 17 February 2011 10:21, by Gat-khir

            You are now talking my friend LOkaku. southern sudan is democratic country and it has nothing to do with a symbol of soviot union. let them remove that triangle together with its star and let them take it and bury it at the side of its master Garang. leave the rest of the colors there and put the symbole of justic in the middle.

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          • 17 February 2011 23:05, by Maruon Ayiei

            The star symbol is for the military as to what I know." The Bright Star Campaign and Operation Jungle Strom". However, what is wrong with star? At least you are an insurgent to what is brought to you through that flag and that star. You might be shame of yourself because you don’t know why that symbol was added to that flag or you just need to zipped up until the whole foundation is completed.

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        • 17 February 2011 18:18, by Facts Check

          Gatwech,

          You need to commit suicide because you will never understand how New Sudan Vision liberated you. Dr. Riek is a cunning political prostitute. Enjoy independence and good and write your history book so you can squeeze Riek in a paragraph if you can manage to do so!

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      • 17 February 2011 09:04, by Kolnyang youth

        Dear:Southerners

        Am so sad about servile death of our people of Jonglei State its really dark and troublesome situation where our owned leaders killed their civilians who the claim to lead according their campaign of last year ,it will be shame on people of South Sudan ,if we have just claim to have a nation and begin to killed our civilians its really a bad practice if our leaders can not changes with from their though of killing civilians like 1991 theoretical coup of Dr.lam and Dr.riek its also killed our people of jonglei .
        the same to this unless rebel of Athor Deng who do not know what he is fighting for?
        Why are you killing civilians this is my question to Athor Deng ?
        I blame God who create people of South Sudan with greedy leaders who are concern about power and not concern about the people they are claiming to manage .
        Am sorry to said so ,because i seen no sense of killing more 202 people out of 4milions who have just last month .
        please leaders bear in mind that humanity should be respected and then you get any position you want in the government ,but you can killed people who will even vote for you ,whom do you think will bring up ?
        Shame on the government of South Sudan $ Jonglei State government ,how come that Athor Deng troops stayed in koliet ,pangak and kolnyang for one year with out being find out there ?what is work of division 8 (eight ) in Jonglei State if they can not defend civilians in the state then ,let them go away from the state ?

        I know those guys who hate comments for nothing will do so ,but God will deal with them

        Oh God bless the souls of those who are killed innocently to rest in peace and protect those who are lost to come home in peace |$ father be bridge of all the problems in South Sudan and thank a lot God for hearing my prayer .

        Oh Oh God bless our leaders to stop killing of civilians with no reason .

        Anti-tribalism in South Sudan.

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      • 17 February 2011 09:44, by Raan

        Gatwech & kim deng, we will never change such poeple at all, they are primitive and tribal in birth, they keep changing thing now and then, that is why is easier to bribe them, their mind set is money all over, is the reason why bank run out of money, they are happy keeping bundle of dollars at home than bank, that is why in jonglei state last week a useless mother kept 8,000 pound and $3,000 USD in the house Imagine that, we get frustrated.

        to you so call abuoi jook, look at 1994 Washington DC peace between Dr Riek & Dr Garang, Garage ask Dr riek to leave self determination and joint to united Sudan, and Dr Riek say it clearly that it Will be over my dead body, that is why United Sudan become first Agenda seconded by self-determination Dr Riek Agenda which is now functional, because the Vision or plan (A)die.

        my advise to rest of the tribe, is fulfill your mission of self-deter(independent) let it not be snatch from you by the tribal group, unite behind it and achieve it.

        jikany are very keen watching the formation soon.

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      • 17 February 2011 13:31, by Quol Quot

        "the assailants invaded the village at 1:00am on Tuesday, surrounded the home in which children were crying and set the house on fire after failing to break through the door. The assailants rushed in when door was opened by the victims and snatched a three year old girl, after killing her grandmother who had struggled to free the child"

        TIME FOR MORE LIBERATION IN JONGLEI

        We have just finished the S. Sudan liberation. Our next liberation will be on Murle. This liberation has to happen, otherwise, our fight against the Arab will be meaningless because a total freedom has not been achieved in Jonglei state and especially in our home counties. All we need is to gather our youth, where ever they maybe and then lead our next struggle against the murle. They are our next oppressors and we have to achieve our freedom at all cost. They are doing what Arab was not even doing to us: Arabs were concerned mainly with oil. Murle is killing our mothers and fathers and abducting and selling our children. They are taking away our wealth in forms of cattle. Is this the community we have to work for?
        We need all our youth from Bor including those that are driving tanks in Abyei right now, whose their children and parents are being slaughter and sold. This youth is from Bor first before they are from S. Sudan. This has to happen, otherwise life for our community will be meaningless on earth. Towns cannot accommodate all villagers. The murle needs to be defeated and faced seriously with destruction in order to stop this barabaric act that is not found anywhere in the world except in Jonglei.
        folks, don’t wait for this Salva’s gov’t to release you from JIU and your other units to give you a green light. We just have to mobilize ourselves and do what Lou Nuer did to Murle. This is the only medicine they need. All else will fail.
        To those who worry about the ICC. Does the ICC endorse killing and selling of other human beings? In their countries, what do they do to people who kill other people?
        War between us and the Murle must begin as soon as the Arabs are out of the south.
        Whoever that interferes between us and the Murle will be treated as a Murle. All out war is eminent. This stupid pathetic community (Murle) cannot be ignored for sake of unity or fear of genocide. The number of people they have killed in Bor itself is amounting to a genocide. This government that disarms and fails to disarm the Murle will not last, I swear to God. It must act and behave like a government or else it will collapse sooner or later when all tribes turn against each other.
        It is meaningless for a son or a father to participate in an army that is entitle to defend while his father or mother is being hack to death ruthlessly.
        I personally advocate for all the youth from Bor wherever they are to quit all government institution momentarily and converge on the Murle and tear down all the human markets where our abducted children are sold.
        To those who are from Bor who oppose this message:
        Bortown will eventually full of poor hungary people and they will eventually be subjected to a filthy (prostitution, alcoholism, etc) life of town. This will erode our culture and culture in less a decade!

        Quol Quot

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      • 17 February 2011 18:18, by Facts Check

        Gatwech,

        You need to commit suicide because you will never understand how New Sudan Vision liberated you. Dr. Riek is a cunning political prostitute. Enjoy independence and good and write your history book so you can squeeze Riek in a paragraph if you can manage to do so!

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      • 18 February 2011 06:00, by Shadrack Nuer Machut

        Hello readers!

        I would like to extend my appreciation to the leaders of the Republic of South Sudan for their peaceful move towards independence of ROSS.

        On the other hand, I want those who frequently abuse leaders for the sake of abuse and influence to stop it. Nobody deserves to insult any elder whether a bad or good leader. I am saying it not because I am in power but like you to referain from it and I am now less than 30 years of age.
        It will be either you or I that may bea next leader to come. What will you feel and how?
        Please you repesct our leaders as we have elected them to be the supper men for guarding and guiding the nation.

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    • 17 February 2011 06:36, by Nhomlawda

      Kim

      An idiot can never be taught. For how long do you want people to teach you on this website on the importance of New Sudan vision in achieving South Sudan independence.
      I do not think a donkey and a pig are able to learn anyhting. You have no difference with those animal.

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      • 17 February 2011 06:54, by Nhomlawda

        Current South Sudan flag should be adopted with an addition of spear in the middle to symbolize braveness and great resistence against colonization from Turks, British, and Sudanese northerners.
        Currency should be pound with modification as stated by Abuoi.
        I don’t agree with the use of South Sudan for independent country. South Sudan is good for use within the bigger Sudan but not independent country. I hope parliament will reject it. We should use Democratic Republic of the Sudan (DROS) or Federal Republic of the Sudan (FROS) since many have agreed not to drop the word Sudan.

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    • 17 February 2011 06:37, by Dengcol malual

      what is wrong with the Southern Politicians in Juba? why discussing flag and currency first when 160 innocent people were murdered in Fangak county for no reason and the government is not telling us(Southerners) what they gonna do about it. maybe i missed the point but that number is too high to be ignored.

      personally, i want to the government to address insecurity first, corruption second by given anti-corruption more power to prosecute criminals who are stealing the money. Abyei issue third and the rest afterward.

      citizen life first please

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      • 17 February 2011 06:50, by Makuei

        Mr. Deng,

        Security could be given the first priority in Juba.
        We still dont know actually about their concern and we worry about that - including all regions inside South Sudan.

        SPLM/SPLA Flag must be kept - I know traitors would like to change that flag. I hope they dont give them the floor to control.

        Thanks!

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      • 17 February 2011 06:55, by Gatwech

        Dear readers,

        Southerners, stop those irrelevant comments that do not discuss flag and currency plus transitional government.

        We all know that the united Sudan vision is gone forever, but now we are discussing issues on independent South Sudan such as flag and currency!!!

        To me, the SPLM current flag should not be the flag of independent South Sudan because the one star in it means one united Sudan, which is not the case now.

        The star can be replaced with buffalo which has been used since Anya-nya I. Buffalo is a courageous animal and can be a unique symbol for South Sudan.

        Star has been overused by many countries in the world and has lost its uniqueness.

        The rest of colours for the SPLM flag are common and can be modified to suit an independent country. For example, to me, the white color that represents peace should be made bigger in circle in the center and the buffalo put in the middle of it.

        The currency for South Sudan should be called Nilo.

        The parties should also agree formation of a broad based government by July 9, which will be inclusive of all political parties.

        An election for a constituent assembly should be held together for presidency for the new state. The elections can be conducted after one and a half years from July 9.

        Before that a credible population census can be organized one year after independence and forget about the fake census of 2008.

        Long live the vision of self-determination which has brought the independence of South Sudan.

        May God bless the souls of those who died pursuing independence of South Sudan!!!

        Amen!!!

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        • 17 February 2011 07:27, by Nhomlawda

          Gatwech,
          We should use lion or leopard instead of buffalo. Buffalo is the state symbol of CES. We do not need animal in the flag in the first place. We do not use animals for fighting but we use our tools such as spear, shield or gun. One of those can be better than the use of animal. We can only use animal or bird to denote biodiversity of South Sudan. We can use beek (Arialbeek) in the flag but not an animal.

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        • 17 February 2011 23:25, by Maruon Ayiei

          Gatwech,

          I will be afraid to the way you are taking us to. The buffalo symbol was for SSIM. That in itself will not qualify it to be a national symbol on the flag. SSIM was an insurgent aganinst the people of south Sudan and that will be a diqualification to buffalo. You can tell the entire forum where else did they fought and whom did they fought other than the SPLM/A? I think that is a paraniod and ideological thinking. The star is not a Soviet symbol but it smybolized the military(SPLA). I can not blame you because you were out of the movement the time it was added to the flag.

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    • 17 February 2011 07:06, by Anyang

      Hi kim Deng,

      Here are few:

      .Dr Garang’s vision is pillar to all of the today success.
      .You, yourself is good example of Dr Garang’s vision, without his vision for the wider Southern Sudan,then I think, someone like yourself could have not afford a chance to see what the modern world and its civilization mean to human well being.
      .Southern Sudan is now a part of a free world because of his wise leadership and that of the Splm.
      .Anyway, it’s quite hard to teach a pig, a dog, and a son of a traitor to change his/her behaviour do what a sound minded human do.Therefore, I don’t cast the blame on you solely, but also on someone who brought you up.

      Finally, get to know that, the vision of Riek Machar & Lam Akol respectively is not working and has no room in Southern Sudan, except in the tiny world of Nuers,shiluks and some foolish Equatorians.Otherwise it’s dead and they will soon follow and by then, Southern Sudan will be a better place where peace will prevails abundantly.

      Warning: To Nuers, Shiluks & Equatorians,don’t attempt to deleted or your action will not do you good.

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      • 17 February 2011 08:01, by maduel Anok

        Gatwech,

        you might be a fool, how can you claim that self-determination was brought by 1991 split which had nearly brought the movement to its knees.

        Riek attempt to weaken the movement in 1991 split wasn’t healthy move which could bring self-determination.. stop your nonsene here please. Riek if he needs to be credited, has to work harder at this time of disintegration of sudan..
        Your Riek must,if he wants to win the favour of masses has to work with one heart and avoid that greedy path of leadership he might not get should he follows 1991 scenario..

        stay warned pls!

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        • 17 February 2011 10:30, by Gatwech

          Maduel Anok,

          I have asked all of you the blind defenders of so-called New Sudan Vision to tell me how could your vision bring about the independence of South Sudan without the self-determination of Dr. Riek Machar and Dr. Lam Akol.

          None of you has the courage to explain and convince me on how the strategy of your vision which was to keep Sudan united could turn around to divide it without self-determination of 1991.

          Because all the unionists were simply blind supporters without knowing where they were being led to by John Garang, they just assumed that there was something called strategy, but on what, they couldn’t understand.

          I know nobody will come out clearly to explain to me how the vision brought independence of South Sudan because we all know it was a lost vision, founded on keeping unity of Sudan, and far from independence of the South Sudan.

          Stop talking nonesense if you don’t know how to explain your poor vision!

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          • 17 February 2011 18:17, by Facts Check

            Gatwech,

            You need to commit suicide because you will never understand how New Sudan Vision liberated you. Dr. Riek is a cunning political prostitute. Enjoy independence and good and write your history book so you can squeeze Riek in a paragraph if you can manage to do so!

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          • 17 February 2011 23:33, by Maruon Ayiei

            Gatwech,

            If our vision was blind, why did Dr Riek and Dr Lam rejoint the blind vision after they tried their proclaimed self-determination? We were consistance with our principle and we never waver to the regime in Khartoum. What have SIMM achieved after all? We don’t keep our head just for growing hair but also for thinking.

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    • 18 February 2011 07:24, by Willsonyoung

      To Mr. Kim Deng
      You are right my friend. New Sudan is gone. It was the name created by Secretary General Pagan Amum and his King Dr. John Garang to confused people for their political corruption.

      Republic Of South Sudan (ROSS) was created on August 28 1991 by Dr. Riek Machar to be the name of new nation. It is up to you my cousins Dinkas, if you need to keep New Sudan, you better declare your own Independent.

      Otherwise you better follow Dr. Machar his ideology for the good of our nation.

      The star on flag will be removed and replaced by Buffalo flag as symbol of braveness nation.

      I hope my cousins Dinkas will agree on the Buffalo flag as our new flag because they are tough and brave people during the struggle for independent.
      Don’t forget that SPLA party has led to the victory of today together with other political parties.
      Thanks

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    • 18 February 2011 07:26, by John Gum

      Dear Readers
      This sound good to maitain the name of the Republic od Southern Sudan but one thing remained confusing,the issue of the flag,there is no where we maitain the SPLM flag untill if SPLM accept to change SPLM in to other Party.

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  • 17 February 2011 07:09, by Gatwech

    Abuoi Jook,

    I like your civilized comments though tempted by inserting some lies in it.

    How could your one-way road of united Sudan vision turn around to achieve independence of the South without putting mechanism to turn it around?

    The new Sudan vision was just to change the system within a united Sudan, whether on united socialism as was in the SPLM/A manifesto of 1983-1994, or on secular united Sudan from 1994-2005. Now how could such a vision turn around to independence of the South?

    My friend, the only mechanism that turned the ship around was the self-determination for the people of South Sudan. This was introduced or championed in 1991 in the SPLM/A. It was signed in Khartoum Peace Agreement for the first time in 1997. It was enshrined in the Sudan National Constitituion for the first time in the history of Sudan in 1998. Then it was copied to CPA and interim national constitution in 2005.

    So, the vision of united new Sudan did not give room for the people of South Sudan or Abyei to have a referendum in which they would decide whether the country would remain united on the basis of that new vision or would still want to secede. That option was not there, my friend, and you know it. So why lie now that somebody brought to you self-determination and you shamelessly claim that it was part of your one-way vision of unity of Sudan?

    Don’t find pride in the culture of lies, please, I beg you.

    Your vision had no room for self-determination until somebody by the name Dr. Riek Machar and Dr. Lam Akol, introduced it for you and championed it until John Garang finally accepted it in January 2002 to be a twin vision with his new Sudan vision.

    You had no strategy to bring independence of the South. Your strategy was to change the system in Khartoum within a united Sudan. Period!

    Stop lying in the face of living eyewitnesses and written books.

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  • 17 February 2011 07:18, by oshay

    Whatever currency, we cannot have ugly Garang on the money, I will personally burn it if I see his dinka ass on it.

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    • 17 February 2011 07:32, by Nhomlawda

      Oshay,

      Good you have reminded us. We will put Garang portray in South Sudan currency.

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      • 17 February 2011 10:37, by Victory

        Oshay,
        Iam deeply sure that you are not a southern Sudanes,or you may be from those fake Sudanese fonj,beja, arab..etc ,stop you childish comment & wake up otherwise you will be a victim.

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  • 17 February 2011 07:20, by Liberator

    Dear readers:

    I have never heard or seen a Government in any part of this world we live in,where over 200 innocent civilians lives have been lost and thousands are still missing as i write this, but the Government officials are going about their business as usual. not even a single day of mourning is declared for the dead. This tell me two things that the politicians in Juba are either don’t care about the citizens lives unless only when one of their own died or assassinated( like the Late Minister like, late Samson Kwaje and Lemi, God bless their soul) or South Sudan is about implode into uncontrollable chaotic scene.
    Either way it’s unsettling situation we(the ordinary citizens of this soon to be state)have found ourselves in.

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    • 17 February 2011 07:39, by Nhomlawda

      Liberator,

      Since 2005, many things had happened and the government did not respond. Innocent civilians were murdered in Duk County by Lou Nuer, Lou Nuer murdered upto 700 Murles in Pibor area, Murle murdered Lou Nuer in Akobo area, Fangak now under Athor plus many road ambushes and attacks.
      GOSS must put more efforts in protecting citizens.

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  • 17 February 2011 07:52, by Gatwech

    To new converts (former unionists),

    Don’t lie in the name of late John Garang. He died a unionist. Rebecca Nyandeng, his widow, confessed to that unless you don’t read her usual statements. The recent one is now on gurtong.com website. She said Garang’s position was always around unity of Sudan and he managed to convince her to follow the vision of keeping Sudan united.

    And also Lual Achuek, minister of finance in Khartoum, also said Garang was a unionist.

    Now if Garang could not whisper into the ears of his closest relatives about his real intentions, then from where do you the other distant disciples find the courage to guess that he was using a strategy to bring independence of the South. I challenge you to convince me how?

    How could your one-way road of united Sudan vision turn around to achieve independence of the South without putting mechanism to turn it around?

    The new Sudan vision was just to change the system within a united Sudan, whether on united socialism as was in the SPLM/A manifesto of 1983-1994, or on secular united Sudan from 1994-2005. Now how could such a vision turn around to independence of the South?

    My friend, the only mechanism that turned the ship around was the self-determination for the people of South Sudan. This was introduced or championed in 1991 in the SPLM/A. It was signed in Khartoum Peace Agreement for the first time in 1997. It was enshrined in the Sudan National Constitituion for the first time in the history of Sudan in 1998. Then it was copied to CPA and interim national constitution in 2005.

    So, the vision of united new Sudan did not give room for the people of South Sudan or Abyei to have a referendum in which they would decide whether the country would remain united on the basis of that new vision or would still want to secede. There was no chance in it for people to choose between unity and independence. That option was not there, my friend, and you know it. So why lie now that somebody brought to you self-determination and you shamelessly claim that it was part of your one-way vision of unity of Sudan?

    Don’t find pride in the culture of lies, please, I beg you.

    Your vision had no room for self-determination until somebody by the name Dr. Riek Machar and Dr. Lam Akol, introduced it for you and championed it until John Garang finally accepted it in January 2002 to be a twin vision with his new Sudan vision.

    You had no strategy to bring independence of the South. Your strategy was to change the system in Khartoum within a united Sudan. Period!

    Stop lying in the face of living eyewitnesses and written books.

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    • 17 February 2011 10:18, by ayor

      Hey Gatwich,

      i would like to point something out regarding being unionist and separatist, because in most cases, your comments are always contradictory when it comes to being unionist.

      first of all i will put it this way, Dr. John Garang as being unionist....i could tell that he wasn’t viced at all if you could cogitate and take it into some sort of common sense then you would definately find out that he was trying to liberate the marginalized african, like nubians, bluenileans, dafurians and so many more other african tribes up-north respectively.

      Thats was his main ideology besides, he was doing it so in terms of getting complete support from all different margins of (sudan), but he fell short on accomplishing it when Dr. Riek and Lam came up in the middle no where (1991) with their movement which happened to put his unionist vision in ruin.

      Furthermore, he wasn’t short sighted to recognize an impact of the war on us, incase if we let go of our fellow african brothers to be used against us while libeating the south as unwell-equip rebels and lacking man-power to accomplish the mission.

      No matter the failure of his unionist-vision that he was aiming at, then he still remains as a true nationalist and a hero who has intiated road-map to self determination, then after he was stabbed on the back in the middle of the war and things couldn’t work out as he planed, so eventually he succumbed in signing the (CPA).

      And Dr. Riek and Lam came into being the (SPLA)members in late during the year (1984) while it was formed already and punctioning with its objectives i dont see where they fit in here with that nortion of self determination.

      Let just be southerners rather than claiming who’s that and who’s not, its all fruitless because all i know, whoever always opt for a portion always end-ups creating an other little portion within the circle.

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      • 17 February 2011 10:53, by Gatwech

        Ayor,

        People who read your comment will just laugh at you because you did not even know what you were trying to say.

        You talked of John Garang’s vision of trying to liberate the marginalized Africans and contradictorily mixed it with self-determination.

        On which basis did Garang’s vision want to liberate Africans. Was it to give them self-determination or was it to change the system in central government in the interest of the marginalized peripheries?

        And at what point did self-determination become part of the vision. It was not there since 1983 until Dr. Riek and Dr. Lam championed it in 1991.

        Your argument doesn’t make sense at all. Try it again with more explanation that can make some sense.

        Because even the so-called marginalized Nubans and Blue Nileans were being used to blackmail Garang into killing the aspiration of South Sudan for separation.

        Instead of Garang using them, they cleverly held Garang hostage for a long time within the idea of keeping Sudan united.

        It was really a lost vision that Garang pursued as the people of South Sudan were concerned, including the marginalized in Nuba and Blue Nile who are finally left in the cold.

        You will have hard time sweating in trying to positively explain your lost vision, friend.

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        • 18 February 2011 00:38, by ayor

          Hey Garwich i percieved that you didnt get what i was talking about for some reasons, perhaps you are having dificuties in responding to the truth, because it’s pretty much obvious that a cystal-clear truth always stays as it’s, and it’s very hard to coin-up falsy stuff in responding to the facts, so get it right.

          I don’t think so, if anyone out there would laugh at me...could be you regardless of anybody because you are having hard times to answer the truth but to just laugh while reading the message trying to find some ways anyhow so you could make your point but all in vain.

          However, (contradictory) was you as a (subject) because i had observed you acting contrary against (new sudan vision) in so many cases concerning unionist vision without knowing that this peace as well as its self-determination that everones enjoying right now was (product) of the so-called (new sudan vision) believe it or not.

          Do you think calling names for self-determination and collaborating with the main (enemy) without fighting for it would make any postive out come?

          Your question, you asked me that on which basis did (Garang)’s vision try to liberate (Africans) but you have already indicated one of its aims, it was the change of the central government in the interest of marginalized pheripheries so they can have voices and not be called second class citizens.

          But all that was meant to be achieved through gun-barrel if there wasn’t power- struggling within the movement (Spla) that forge its ways to (1991) split..., was that meant for self-determination, and if so then why him....Dr (Riek) victimized the very people of whom he was calling for self-determination if you guys were being real on that with your uncle?

          Better let people forget it rather than bringing it up every times, and trying to patch-up falsifications in reality image. Peace out brother, i don’t wanna waste my precious time on none-logical things.

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  • 17 February 2011 08:10, by Aleu

    My suggestion would be the Flag has to remain as it is.

    The reason why SPLA Flag/SPLM will not change is because the people from the SPLA/SPLM movement were demanding to change everything including Sudan Flag which was reflicted ISlamic Ideas while, they found Black people in Sudan and the rules in the Sudan were about to be change. Now after NCP refusal for Sharia law to be change which have reuslt with the exchange of referendum for New State then, the Southern Sudan has to keep that Flag, because this is the Flag that led many SPLA struggles and dies in the name of New Sudan nation.The Green in Flag must be real Green and the Top Black colour in the Flag must also be too drak black as the skinns of Southern Sudanese are too drakers black.

    Second to that, if the North Sudan are willingly backing to what they call it dinar currency then, the Southern Sudan has to keep Pound continues but it got to have a valuable belief just like the Ethiopia currency they don’t change whoever, or who came to power and leading nation, the currency must remain unchangable which is a very good thing and I think the Southern Sudanese Jurisdiction must have to mention this in the constitutional. Also putting president in the currency and later the other president have to change and put his own image is the bad thing Southern Sudanese must avoid early now.

    The people are the only can decide who was the best person who did the good things for the nation and for example, Dr. John Garang de Mabior would be okay if the people want to put his image in the currency. Kenya and Uganda have been using Shillings however, Southern Sudanese must not use same Shillings even if Southern Sudan become one of the East Africa Sub-regions, you guys have to find something different if you don’t like to keep Pound in the place then, why not keeping the Pound as Southern Sudan Pound or New Sudan Pound and it will a good Idea to do so base on what is the best way to make sure the New currency are valuable and workable and people love it.

    For the name of government as people already rushing to name the Republic of Southern Sudan. I belief there is no question even if the people have chosen New Sudan nation it could still be name as the Republic of the New Sudan [RNS] and it will work very good too. There is nothing wrong on the Idea of naming New Sudan nation, because it will combining none Southerners Sudanese and Southern Sudan together and will make strong nation why not GOSS take that name.?

    Thirdly. I think the Southern Sudan leaders have failed to meet the political achievement in term of South Kordofan State and the South Blue Nile State. There are many letters that, have been sent to GOSS leadership and I am not a liberty to explain everythings again to them. The political achievement and the Win-winning strategic letters were been sending to the GOSS for good suggestion they can take unfortunately, there is no signs so far which is bad.

    Although your discussion for parties would not be mentioning why people creating more parties for what.? Basically, this is so a shameful to all Africa and particular, this Southerners Sudanese people because when others nation hearing there are about 24 parties then, it shown that our people are more and more dumb otherwise, there was no need for Southern Sudanese politicians to creates nonesense that, make destruction to the New nation and the citizens. My suggestion on this issue is that, I have been consistently telling Southern Sudanese’s politicians to have only two parties or three parties in the young nation which it will appearing to be born by July9,2011. It is very important that, Southern Sudanese people must take this advise from me seriously.

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    • 17 February 2011 09:07, by nyic rot

      Kim
      How do you feel by insulting sombody who died?
      That man whom you are insulting is the one making you happy and freedom to write your nonsens in the net today
      joks in the public places are always dangerous,
      please learn how to behave,don,t remember that what goes around you comes around you.

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    • 17 February 2011 09:10, by Peter Mading

      The naming of the New Nation has been agreed upon. If the naming was pending for discussion and gain public opinion, i would have suggested that the name shuold read: "Democratic Republic of South Sudan". The Vision of the New Sudan was a long vision that attracted the world to stand firm with the SPLM. It was a projected vision that involved all Sudanese to participate in the Struggle that is why we have the Southern Blue Nile and Kordofan, Northern and Eastern Sudanese people in the Movement. Having again our territory, we resorted to Self- Determination with various scopes of our Principles. Democracy was an element that South Sudan was supported and accorded with all possible supports from International Community.

      However, i would be pleased if the current flag remained unchanged or modified. Because, it is the current flag that brought independent and it is widely known. It represent South Sudan. It will have the credibility from the SPLM and it is neutural. No need of staining it.

      I do appreciate the right course of direction Southern Sudanese are taking that the involvement of the Political Parties in the naming process of the Country, the flag, and the Constitutional review.

      The Name,the Flag and Constitution are the guiding pillars for every party. The time will come when Citizens of the Country will choose their leaders in a Democratic elections.

      Whoever will come in power has to abide by the constitution just like the USA.

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      • 17 February 2011 14:36, by LL Reuben

        Gat-witch, Gatkir and the rest of the traitors,

        How is it possible for Riek to claim self-determination when in fact he was an assistant to President Bashir? Do you morons think the self-determination was offered on a silver plate? Or if not then who fought for it? Riek...? Ngundeng or Wurnyang… Shameless punks!

        Did Riek fought for self-determination while in bed with Omer Bashir in Khartoum in the late 90s? Someone has to come up with a valid argument otherwise this is pathetic. Riek’s army which was composed 90% militias from Lou, Fangak and Bentiu plus 10% Nuer soldiers in SPLA, all have never fought with Khartoum regime under the bases of liberating the South.

        Instead, they were fighting one another after dividing themselves in to small factions, competing on the basses of who get to be Bashir’s best oil-field guard dog. Yes, the oil you punks are whining now that that the Dinka is eating, forgetting when you used to protect it from the SPLA for Bashir…Yuck!

        Now tell me fools which town in the South did Riek and his militias’ ever captured from the Arab army? What I know is that all the South territories Riek stationed himself and his defectors were hand over to the Arab by none other than him (Riek), after Bashir made him his rear wiper (assistant). Was this how he liberates the South? Or is self-determination accomplished when one become Bashir assistant?

        Oh my shameless fellow countrymen, what is it going to take to educate you so that you can think critically on your own… And not always just follow one trail like ducklings. Riek deceived you back then by using Ngundeng through wurnyang, which of course was a flat lie. Stop believing in his fare-tell lies about witch-craft (Ngundeng), if not you will fall into the latrine one by one until you finish if you don’t change now.

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  • 17 February 2011 09:33, by Liberator

    The Massacre in Fangak

    As described by one of the state officials in his writings below: And who is the Deputy Commander of Division 8 of SPLA?

    Literally speaking, more than half of the County government has been killed. The County Executive Director, five young graduates working with the county government as administrative officers, the Deputy Commander of Prison Service, the Chief Accountant of Police Headquarters, The Tax Administration Officer and the Deputy Commander of the SPLA Division 8 were all killed.

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  • 17 February 2011 09:35, by Liberator

    As described by one of the state officials in his writings below: And who is the Deputy Commander of Division 8 of SPLA?


    Literally speaking, more than half of the County government has been killed. The County Executive Director, five young graduates working with the county government as administrative officers, the Deputy Commander of Prison Service, the Chief Accountant of Police Headquarters, The Tax Administration Officer and the Deputy Commander of the SPLA Division 8 were all killed.

    R

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  • 17 February 2011 10:17, by Mapuor

    The worst thing in this world is,when the one who had suffered impose suffering in his turn.More over, it is difficult to feel anothers pain if you, yurself, have not experienced the depth of the tragedy.We indeed,are historic people,we fought for twenty one years using our own flag that we made.We were purely SouthSudanese,those who were not with us were cowards,glutons,Arab slaves,illiterate militias’s who were paid bread crumps after fighting the SPLA.Who was then not with us to argue in favour of changing our flag which reflects our heroic sacrifices for twenty one years.Kiir,Kiir,the war was fought by many,& highly intellectual people.Those who claim to be highly intellectual are not.Don’t listen to them.If you continue appeasing those cowards by pretending to be involving the so called Southern parties,who are actually,agents of the NCP,you will find many liberators abondoning you.Any slight change to our flag will not be tolerated come what may.

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    • 17 February 2011 11:03, by Gat-khir

      Mapour
      Take it easy my dear. That flag is colorful and we love it but that blue triangle and the star are the symbols of socialist nations. we want a symbole which reflects the people of southern sudan. That symbol of socialism must be removed from that flag.

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  • 17 February 2011 10:34, by Gatwech

    Hello new converts (former unionists),

    I have asked all of you the blind defenders of so-called New Sudan Vision to tell me how could your vision bring about the independence of South Sudan without the self-determination of Dr. Riek Machar and Dr. Lam Akol.

    None of you has the courage to explain and convince me on how the strategy of your vision which was to keep Sudan united could turn around to divide it without self-determination of 1991.

    Because all the unionists were simply blind supporters without knowing where they were being led to by John Garang, they just assumed that there was something called strategy, but on what, they couldn’t understand.

    I know nobody will come out clearly to explain to me how the vision brought independence of South Sudan because we all know it was a lost vision, founded on keeping unity of Sudan, and far from independence of the South Sudan.

    Stop talking nonesense if you don’t know how to explain your poor vision, okay!

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  • 17 February 2011 11:16, by Dinkanuer

    It’s okay to be a Republican of South South but the name Republican Regime have been used and we get nothing out of it. It will be better to have something else then what we had in passed.

    The word Republic have been misse used instead of publices to have voices in their Government.

    It would be enough to have Democratic of South Sudan, in order to give people voices in their government.

    In behave of our flag, the old flag is okay to be used for the new born nation. Except Dr. Riek Machar Teny who is not agree with the vision of our father and our leader the really one Dr. John Garang Mabior whom brought us out from the darknes.s

    Dr. Riek Machar said the old flag is belong to Dinka Bor and all Dinka in general. Because his hatred toward John Garang.

    This is my advises for you. Who ever created the new flag, will be name after his or her tribes and we will see how is that going to work!

    I already told you that Dr. Riek Machar is not a leader but the greedy animal who like to be in everthings.

    Since the transition of the Goss, he had three position in the government but he still complaining.

    He never feel shame for his human right bused during ’s Naath Movement of 1991 when he killed 100, 000 people in Bor.

    Shame on you riek machar!
    The new born nation will still used Pound as sample for our currency!


    For those who are still using Ngundeng ideologies, please be inform! Ngundeng had shameful things to be said about him. First,

    He was not a Prophet but a profit to his royalist in Nuer.
    He had many names according to his activities in many parts of South Sudan.
    He was a Cannibal animal according to Nuer man who doesn’t need to be mentioned
    His first name was Ngundeng-meaning that he was send by God.
    After he gone wild and ran away.
    His name changed to be Gatluakmanguel in Nuer dialect.
    He ate many Nuer men and women in Nuer Land
    Dinka. His name was Manyang e Juet.
    He ate many children, animal claviers and cows’s bulls in Dinka Land.
    Equatoria with different languages including English and Arabic
    His name was Tiger

    The Nuer man who refused to be target by Ngundeng’s salves pointed out that. Ngundeng had no father or mother but the Devil who came out in the River Nile in a form of fish, when the Nuer boys want for fishing. They fish for so many hours and they caught nothing, when the boys get tied and ready to go back home. One of them told other guys that there was a fish ate his hook lastly, the boy convinced other friends to tried one more time! Shortly after he putted on snail body on the hook, he had thrown it into Nile River. Immediately, Ngundeng was caught. The boy was attempting to pull the Fish Ngundeng out in the river but it was difficult for him to do so, then he called his associates to pull Ngundeng on the shore. They brought it out and they were smile some of them were told to go and collect firewood in order for the young men to roast their fish.

    Unfortunately! The Fish Ngundeng changed into big snake! And the boys ran away from it, the boys thought that they were dreaming and they came back for the second times. The Snake Ngundeng light it body and become bright as well as electricity light. They ran home and they spread the news to the community, when the Nuer elders came to the place where Ngundeng was pulled. It was still there as snake with it light. People gather together around it and started asking question how did this happen? The Snake Ngundeng changed into human being and told people not to run away. All of them were shocking and scary to death except Human Ngundeng who perform such witchcraft. things "Come down, come down now!" The Human Ngundeng said. Who are you? The Nuer elders asked him. I am Nyajok_ which mean woman devil! The Human Ngundeng answer! She knew her own physical appearance as she is a hermaphrodite. (A person with both the organs of a man and a woman) Wow! Brothers and sisters of Nuer I am sorry for your Profit. Nyajok Ngundeng was not a Prohet? It was your profit to cheat people for his power but It was not a Prophet? It was a Satan?

    Cie liel du dem e mac!

    By Dinkanuer

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    • 17 February 2011 11:36, by Gat-khir

      You made me laugh Jang-neni ti naath. That is why we assimilated many of Jaang. good that you admitt your being JangNuer.

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  • 17 February 2011 11:19, by Gat-khir

    Gatwech
    some people sometimes immaturely think that they are smart in reasoning, but a self explanatory kind of event doesn’t need any reasoning. they are trying in many ways as much as they can to make a Big U-turn, but the record is clear. None of them will convince you with reasonable explanation. They failed and they will fail, fail, fail, and fail again and again.

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  • 17 February 2011 14:10, by Stephen Gatloth K

    Only to the article,Gatloth Gai in Bentiu.

    In that way,we can achieve every target and successfully on the way forword.

    In words our southern leaders are very conveinent,suprise is coming after as the implementation done.

    Eveery country has got an opposition parties to challenge other ones so that they compite on delivering services to the citizen of the country.Hence on the course of thier compitetion then the citizen of that nation are getting the services they expected.

    To involve every party in any discussion,is welcome move.
    Keep up the new nation,Keep up GOSS OR Republic of South Sudan(ROSS)we are all agreed on that.

    Thanks very much .

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  • 17 February 2011 14:23, by actiongatkuoth

    YOU OVER THERE.
    STOP DOING SUCH ATHINGS !!!!!!!!!1THE TIME HAS COME FOR NEW NATION
    TO WORK AS ONE BODY,

    I AGREE WITH THE NAME (ROSS)

    YOU BROTHER DINKAS STOP YOUR USELESS BEHAVE ’YOU BEHAVE LIKE OTHER TRIBE IN THE SOUTH.

    AAH AH IF NOT SO PLEASE YOU WILL FACE THE OUTCOME OF YOUR BEHAVE.
    THANK

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  • 17 February 2011 15:45, by Gatwech

    Dear readers,

    Now that we are all in one boat arguing on how to eat in the plate of our new independent country brought by the self-determination vision, then we can temporarily accept many things.

    The biggest issue in my mind was how to destroy the sell-out vision of keeping Sudan united at the expense of the people of South Sudan.

    Alas! Through the wise strategy it is now over. The new Sudan vision is confirmed dead in the South and the self-determination vision has finally prevailed and the country has split into two and may be more...

    What a mother of all the strategies!

    Every one can now join the independent Sudan even those that fought against it and killed those of Samuel Gai Tut who were separatists pursuing the independence of South Sudan.

    Well, we can temporarily use the current SPLM flag if the SPLM will abandon it for South Sudan, and then we can change it later.

    We can also use South Sudan Pound for time being and change it to Nilo in the near future.

    We can now also use the name Republic of South Sudan (ROSS) and change it later to whatever name we may see fit.

    Let us put the names and flag to the parliament and use them for now after their approval. We can change them after independence.

    The biggest issue is achieving independence through 1991’s self-determination.

    The rest are just decorations for celebration!!!!!!!!!!

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    • 17 February 2011 21:25, by Nhomlawda

      Dinka Bor named the state Jonglei (meaning: Foreign God) to denote their acceptance of Christianity and its values of co-existence, love for your brother and neighbor, respects for humanity and authority over their pre Christianity gods that advocated for revenge and hatred.
      How dare are these axes of evil (Nuer and Murle savages) to turn this beautifully named state into a human butchering ground?
      Idiots, respect the name of our state and the Bor people’s God that brought you freedom you are misusing.

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  • 18 February 2011 05:37, by Dinkanuer

    Bribery Nuer

    Or whatever you call yourself?
    Liar had destructed the world!

    For example, Arabs are now become a dangerous people to all human being. Because Mohammed liar that he was God’s Messenger. Which is not true at all? The same liar is what you had picked up from there and brings it to us and says Ngundeng was Prophet. He is not, He was Satan?

    (The really Prophets Prophesied about Jesus Christ, the Son of the living God and God’s wills. I never heard any Prophets talking about being rich rather then spreading the words to God’s people)
    Like Nuer Profit, the Big Criminal who was robbing Nuer and Dinka communities at the times. He was murder and the rich one among Nuer community, which is why many people who like nyamnyam follow him up to these times.
    Your Profit Ngundeng had gone forever waiting there in jail for the Great Day of Judgment then it will be throwing into the Sea of Fire! And his followers will be put to death if they are not repents to go back to their Lord Jesus Christ. Repent now and you will be forgiven!

    The different between Mohammed and Ngundeng are as follow!

    Mohamed was the really human being whom was deceived by Satan to lead the majority to Death.
    Ngundeng was the really Satan whom came inform of living things such Fish, Snake, Wild animal, and Human being


    For those who are still using Ngundeng ideologies, please be inform! Ngundeng had shameful things to be said about him. First,

    He was not a Prophet but a profit to his royalist in Nuer.
    He had many names according to his activities in many parts of South Sudan.
    He was a Cannibal animal according to Nuer man who doesn’t need to be mentioned
    His first name was Ngundeng-meaning that he was send by God.
    After he gone wild and ran away.
    His name changed to be Gatluakmanguel in Nuer dialect.
    He ate many Nuer men and women in Nuer Land
    Dinka. His name was Manyang e Juet.
    He ate many children, animal claviers and cows’s bulls in Dinka Land.
    Equatoria with different languages including English and Arabic
    His name was Tiger

    The Nuer man who refused to be target by Ngundeng’s salves pointed out that. Ngundeng had no father or mother but the Devil who came out in the River Nile in a form of fish, when the Nuer boys want for fishing. They fish for so many hours and they caught nothing, when the boys get tied and ready to go back home. One of them told other guys that there was a fish ate his hook lastly, the boy convinced other friends to tried one more time! Shortly after he putted on snail body on the hook, he had thrown it into Nile River. Immediately, Ngundeng was caught. The boy was attempting to pull the Fish Ngundeng out in the river but it was difficult for him to do so, then he called his associates to pull Ngundeng on the shore. They brought it out and they were smile some of them were told to go and collect firewood in order for the young men to roast their fish.

    Unfortunately! The Fish Ngundeng changed into big snake! And the boys ran away from it, the boys thought that they were dreaming and they came back for the second times. The Snake Ngundeng light it body and become bright as well as electricity light. They ran home and they spread the news to the community, when the Nuer elders came to the place where Ngundeng was pulled. It was still there as snake with it light. People gather together around it and started asking question how did this happen? The Snake Ngundeng changed into human being and told people not to run away. All of them were shocking and scary to death except Human Ngundeng who perform such witchcraft. things "Come down, come down now!" The Human Ngundeng said. Who are you? The Nuer elders asked him. I am Nyajok_ which mean woman devil! The Human Ngundeng answer! She knew her own physical appearance as she is a hermaphrodite. (A person with both the organs of a man and a woman) Wow! Brothers and sisters of Nuer I am sorry for your Profit. Nyajok Ngundeng was not a Prohet? It was your profit to cheat people for his power but It was not a Prophet? It was a Satan?

    Cie liel du dem e mac!

    By Dinkanuer

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  • 18 February 2011 15:49, by Haak

    Dear readers...............

    allow me to passed my opinion to whoever is going to attend that technical committee who will sit to discuss and talk on the issue of national flag and currency.
    dear comrades, i think the nation flag should not be design in self-fish ways, am of view that it shuold be inclusive flag that should also reflect the bloodsheds, the land, the nature of people etc.

    for the currency it should of good quality that can get international value otherwise its also need to have symbols of cultures, land, struggle etc.

    for those who are going to review the constitution, my only opinion is that, the community shuold be consult to accept anything that is worth necessary to be include in the national documents, otherwise its gona be big challenge if you will fugite around fake doucment that we gona dishonor in near future.

    thanks
    Haakamadology

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