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January 16, 2011 (JUBA) — The President of Southern Sudan government Salva Kiir Mayadrit, called Sunday to forgive the north for the death of Southerners killed during the devastating war 1983-2005 where over two millions are killed.

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South Sudan’s President Salva Kiir prays during a Sunday service in Juba on January 16, 2011 (Getty)

The Southern Sudan is excepted to proclaim its independence officially next July after a successful referendum on self-determination from 9 to 15 January held among huge international presence.

"For our deceased brothers and sisters, particularly those who have fallen during the time of the struggle, may God bless them with eternal peace and, like Jesus Christ on the cross, forgive those who have forcibly caused their death," Kiir said.

Kiir made his call for pardon from Saint Theresa Roman Catholic cathedral in Juba where he hinted his support for the southern Sudan secession in the past.

The call also took place after a campaign for separation orchestrated by his ruling party, SPLM, where hatred towards the north occupied an important place. President Omer Al-Bashir during his short visit to Juba days before the vote had to cancel a public speech for security reasons.

The president of the semi-autonomous region had called several times in the past for peaceful coexistence between the north and the south and also pledged to protect northerners present in southern Sudan.

As the first indications show a large vote in favor of separation, the two 2005 peace deal parties have to negotiate many issues related to the future relations between the neighbors, such border demarcation, Sudan’s debt, but also a referendum to be held in Abyei region.

On the negotiating table there is a proposal to build strong economic ties between the two parties and to give Abyei a special status to prevent the reproduction of a border war similar to the Eritrean-Ethiopian conflict.

The referendum’s preliminary results will be announced during the first week of February.

A UN panel monitoring the referendum urged Southern Sudanese to "be patient and be aware that only the results announced by the referendum authorities are official."

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  • 17 January 2011 08:29, by Ezekiel Dau

    What for? even thought all Southerners forgive North Sudan i will not forgive them

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    • 17 January 2011 11:14, by okucu pa lotinokwan

      You are very correct Mr President very easily to forgive the northerners people but very difficult to forget what the Arabs world did in supporting Khartoum government during the time of your strunggle,we can sometime forgive them but tf they have repeated it again will be very unfair for any southerners to make that mistake.

      OKUCU PA LOTINOKWAN

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    • 17 January 2011 12:15, by jubaone

      Salva Kiir´s urge would rather have sounded: the Northerners ask for pardon and forgiveness from Southerners. That would in a way show Jelaba´s contrition and remorse for the untold suffering they have inflicted upon the Southerners. His statement is a blatant show of indifference and disrespect for all our innocent civilian relatives and friends. How are we to forgive the Jelaba for the inhumane attrocities (genital mutilation) especially in Juba´s reputed "White House", after the 1992 incident in which most of then PDF (Popular Defence Forces) under the then Al Amir al Mujahideen (Dr. Khalil Ibrahim now JEM leader) unleashed their islamic agenda? How are we to forgive the Northerners including the Darfuris, who went out to concertedly rape, sexually harass our women and take them as war-booty, of whom thousands today are stranded in Kosti, humiliated and abandoned? How are we to forgive the Notherners, who have bastardised thousands of fatherless half-Jelaba children in Juba, Malakal and Wau? Was it not the Jelaba who bounded our friends in Juba and Malakal in 1992, packed them onto aeroplanes, only to be airdropped somewhere without trace, without any hope for proper traditional burial? No Southerner can forgive the Northerners only GOD can do that. Salva Kiir´s urge is convoluted logic and is short of good sense. The best would be that Omar Beshir asks the Southerners for forgiveness and not Kiir. True Southerners must put into their hearts, that we long to revenge/avenge for the millions of "souls" lost. Those who make mockery of all those killed by Jelaba may they not live long to see the South. May the spirits and souls of our departed ones haunt them, for they seek appeasement. May they languish and evil and disease befall them and their families, for they have become disrespectful.

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    • 19 January 2011 02:59, by Young Nation

      Thank Mr. President

      Your position had shown the whole world who we are as Southerners. We are peace-loving and people easy to forgive all including our bittest enemies. Principlly speaking, the people of South Sudan are good practioners of the rule that says "Forgive your bitter enemies". This is who we are. As a sovereign nation, We are ready to forghive and even accomodate Northern Sudanese in FREE South Sudan. This is our spirit. We have shown this brotherly spirit even when we were fighting Northerners. The preservation of North Sudanese Prisoners of War by the gurilla SPLA forces was a perfect example.

      Young Nation is a graduate of International Relations and a Student of Master of International Law at Sydney University, Australia

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  • 17 January 2011 08:35, by Garang

    A Man is born today, live for a specified time and dies with his or her memmories but history never die. we might forgive Northerners but History shall never and ever!!! forgive the atrocities committed by Khartoum Goverment in Southern Sudan

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    • 17 January 2011 09:58, by Kolnyang youth

      Salva will be the right person to let South Sudanese enjoyed freedom forever.

      So is good he call forgiveness to enemies but not to forgot arabs are our enemies for all life in the history of world .

      may God our president to have that heart of not greedy .

      Anti-tribalism

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  • 17 January 2011 08:40, by $iong mayom

    Jalaba does not deserve any forgiveness from anyone. If u forgive Arabs and try to co-exist peacefully like Pres Salva is advocating, they think u are stupid and scare from there the exploit u. That’s how they are all the world. You welcome them with open arms and ur kindness becomes ur weakness to them. Look at them all over the world e.g Western Countries. They claim asylum and in a while they are planning bombs and blowing up civilians. They best way to deal with them is to lock them in their borders so that they don’t stray away and force everyone to be a Muslim

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    • 17 January 2011 09:45, by australian

      $iong Mayom: You are right.

      Salva Kiir is not Jesus. Only Jesus can forgive people who don’t admit wrong, let alone ask for forgiveness. Until the murderers of your people beg for forgiveness, hold back, and keep your dignity. Forgive them, and they will laugh at you.

      Salva Kiir has said he wants Muslims to spread their religion in the south, and now pledges to protect them. What is his plan for the south? Will he endlessly "protect" and "forgive" and promote these people, who will no doubt exploit their pretend victim status right up to the time when their numbers are high enough to start getting aggressive and demanding you all live under sharia law.

      And you will be back where you were in 1983, but will be able to claim less land than you have done this time.

      Sometimes I wonder if Salva Kiir is on the other side. And yes, there is another side, and always will be as long as Mohammedans are praying to their vicious god.

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      • 17 January 2011 11:55, by mohammed ali

        Australian,

        You dirty , filthy hate monger! White-man racit!

        What do you want from us, they forgive us or we forgive them , even after seperation is non of your business!

        We will remain neighbours, brothers and Africans and many of them are living with us and many of us will be living with them ! and we will continue to do so forever .
        We will flourish, prospour and maintain our countries and continent away from your evvil greed!

        Forgiveness is an African human quality which the white-man had never possesed, otherwise you wouldn’t see a white-man in South Africa!

        I cannot understand what hatred you hold for us! The typical white-man supremacist! You want us to fight and die so that you can survive.The same typical whit motto..divide to rule! Let me show you how the christian white did in India for example:

        (( Lord Thomas Macaulay, in his address to British Parliament on February 2, 1835, revealed India’s moral and cultural status and how he wanted to change it. He said: “I have travelled across the length and breadth of India and have not seen one person who is a beggar, who is a thief. Such wealth I have seen in this country, such high moral values. People of such calibre that I never think we would ever conquer this country, unless we break the very backbone of this nation, which is her spiritual and cultural heritage and, therefore, I propose that we replace her old and ancient education system, her culture, for if the Indians think that all that is foreign and English is good and greater than their own, they will lose their self esteem, their native culture and they will become what we want them, a truly dominated nation.”4))

        This you and your type of creatures who are devoid of any charactristics of humanity.This how you were able to socially degrady the aborgini as you admitted yourself and then you robbed them from their land and country.Actually you robbed them from everthing, you made them extinct!

        Are you planing to come to do so in the South!

        YOU WON’T BE ALLOWED, YOUR MOTIVE HAS BEEN MORE THAN CLEAR AND OBVIOUS.YOU REVEALED YOUR TRUE DIRTY WHITE SKIN. AND IF YOU THINK SOUTHERNERS DONNOT UNDERSTAND YOUR MOTIVE AND WICKED ENDAVOUR , EVEN THOUGH YOU OVER-PRETENED TO SYMPATHIE WITH THEM, THEN YOU ARE WRONG!

        You want us to divide and fight, we did it before, but we will never ever do it agin.

        Die with your hatred you filthy white pig!

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        • 17 January 2011 13:35, by australian

          Mohammed "Rage Boy" Ali:
          If I am a racist dirty white pig, will you say the same to "Jubaone" above, who is probably Sudanese and not white, but seems to think like I do?

          Forgiving people who deliberately commit unspeakable sins and do not feel remorse would be hard, and I believe wrong. And it was not really compulsory for them as individuals to go to war. Some northern men refused to join the army, and were punished. They are the ones I respect, because they suffered themselves rather than attack other human beings for no good reason. They followed their own conscience, rather than the mindless jihad.

          Greedy? Me? Who told you I was greedy?

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          • 17 January 2011 14:32, by mohammed ali

            Australian,

            Insteas of preaching hatred, and pretending to be supportive of southerners, go and as for forgiveness from the original people of Australia the aborginis for the sin which no human being on earth can do on another fellow human , somethin which was supported by your white man church and christian missionaries.

            See what you did:

            ((Prior to colonization which began in January 1788, the Australian Aborigines lived a lifestyle based on their Dreamtime beliefs. They had survived as a race for thousands of years and their lifestyle and cultural practices had remained virtually unchanged during that time. We refer to this as the traditional period.

            However colonization imposed changes on the Aborigines as people who lived in areas that were being settled by the Europeans, were forced off their land as towns and farms were developed. We identify the period in which the changes took place, as the historical period. The sort of changes that took place usually commenced with explorers entering the area of a tribe and being challenged by the people for trespassing on their land. The Europeans often (usually) responded by shooting at the people. Many were killed. When settlers followed the explorers and began felling trees and building farms, they restricted the ability of the Aborigines to move freely around their land. They also destroyed their traditional food sources.

            These changes took place throughout the continent at different times. They began in the Sydney and Parramatta districts from 1788; in the Cowpastures (Campbelltown / Camden)area from the early 1800s and in the Illawarra district from 1815. Gradually - but with increasing speed colonization spread throughout the entire continent.

            The settlers had arrived in this country to build a new life for themselves and their families and had ’no time for the Dreamtime’. In other words most were not interested in the affects colonization was having on the Aborigines. In fact they were often considered to be a pest and a nuisance. Many were killed by diseases such as influenza. Thousands were massacred to make way for farms and settlements.

            On the other hand some Aboriginal people adapted to the Whitman’s laws and the new lifestyle. In doing so, many were reduced to pauperism and were beggars. Others broke the traditional tribal lore’s by accepting Brass Plates and by moving into the traditionallands of other tribes. In many cases they had no option in doing this as they were facing starvation or the gun.

            Overall, the Australian Aborigines went through stages of being conquered through an ’invasion’ and taking of their lands. Many adapted to the new lifestyle (when many became reliant on alcohol, tobacco and handouts of food and clothing. However the settlers were often contemptuous of the Aborigines and separated them from their society and the people became the fringe dwellers of society. Others were removed from their families and placed into institutions. From the late 1830s the remnants of the tribes in the settled areas were moved onto Reserves and Missions where they were ’managed’ by Whitemen and were forbidden from teaching their children their language and customs.

            During the 1900s separation was an official government policy which lasted for many decades and today, many Aboriginal people do not know their origins. In other words, which tribe they are descended from or the names of their parents and or grandparents. They are a lost generation.

            Australian Aborigines - the original inhabitants of the continent - are one of the best known and least understood people in the world. Since the nineteenth century they have been singled out as the world’s most primitive culture and the living representatives of the ancestors of mankind. Aborigines are therefore probably more familiar to the rest of the world than are the white Australians who immigrated to the continent from Britain and other European countries. In reality, Aboriginal culture, as anthropological work over the last hundred years has revealed, is a complex, subtle, and rich way ))

            See why they were degradad? This because of you GREED.

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            • 17 January 2011 23:05, by australian

              Rage Boy:
              Let’s do a deal. I will apologise and kiss the feet of aborigines on behalf of bad white people if you apologise and kiss the feet of southern Sudanese on behalf of bad Muslims.
              The difference is: what the white people did wrong was against the message of Jesus. What the Muslims did to the southern Sudanese was exactly in accordance with the message of Mohammed.
              Before you start shouting at me, please check your Koran. Any page will do. You will find something.

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        • 18 January 2011 00:40, by Tobiin

          Mohamed, I say death to northerners,and death to you. we’ll not forgive any mother fucker until we retaliate what they did to us in the south. i never enjoy my childhood with my family because of your fucker father in the north, and believe me it will happen forget about what kiir is saying.

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    • 17 January 2011 09:46, by mohammed ali

      When did they bomb in any country?The vast majority went to the west as professionals and students , not as Asylum seeker.
      In uk only ,there are more than 5000 well educated and highly trained doctors! They are very well respected and the profile of Northern Sudanese in the wast and America is very clean and very decent.

      Still there are Southasend southerners living in the north and hundreds are coming back even before finishing the referundum.There 60000 student from the south in Jallabas universities , all living and will live in peace and harmony.

      Even after the referundum is over and the result is very obvious, nothing happened , nobody was hurt, killed or expelled from school!Where are the mass killing of southerners in Khartoum, the genocide!

      Where are those profits of doom and hatred! We are not hearing anything from them, not a single word!

      Southerners , you like it or not, are living much more better in Khartoum than in the south, in peace, security and harmony and with dignity.

      Go and kill your self with hatred somewhere else, but donnot blame the jallaba for that!

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      • 17 January 2011 13:02, by Deng II

        Ali
        Some time I don’t responding to a loon or moron individual mindset who do not admitted the reality, but deny all, in fact no body can change him mind because God created him phsyco.
        To coming to the point, you deny totally that those living in Khartoum are living in a good condition, have you ever been in Mayo camps, Jabal Alia Camps, and others surrounding camps? They live in hell not clean place. How do you not living in hell while you living in place where roofing of house covered with sack of sorghum, and the same time you get up in the morning go to washing Arab clothes which been farted in it, pi in it may be by babies, sweated in it, salivery driping in it from mouth during sleeping period, and ETC, but claimed they live a good place?
        My advises to our brothers and sisters living in that poor places, please come back home and die poor in your own land, give up abstracting diseases from Arab ass, come and make farm in your father or grandfather lands. We have a plenty of lands available in your home town. Don’t you tied of cleaning Arab ass and dishes every single day? Well, you been there because Country was one, but now we get our own Country, come and cleaning your own ass and washing your own clothes and dishes, enough is enough.
        Alie, I will not reply your comments becauses you seem don’t even admit any part of reality in this web site alway. This kind of human being some time people don’t bother to think about him or her any more,but wait for him or her time numbering and move on.

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        • 17 January 2011 13:20, by Deng II

          I disagree with president totally, you don’t forgive those who don’t know between wrong or right, and also don’t even know the right of others. I am not advocat for reveng but don’t allow devils religion so called Islam to planting it root in to our land. It is a terrorist religion. We need to adapting Israel policy because black people and Israel people been suffering under the hand of this terrorist Islam.

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        • 17 January 2011 14:05, by mohammed ali

          Deng,

          I have never said that Southerners living in Khartoum are living in good condition.I will be very glad if you could show me where did I say so.As a matter of fact I alwayes say that the vast majority of them live in miserable conditions, and there are some of them living in very prestegious areas like Amarat , Ryadh, Mohandessen.

          But why does it strike you that only, when Southerners are living in these areas.There are many different people from the far north to the far west or east live in poor conditions.It is sad , but the reality is that all over the third world big cities are surrounded by shanty towns and "cartoon" houses. Again it is not only southerners who are living there!

          I agree it is not clean, but unfortunately they find it far better than another "hell", you like it or not that is the reality!

          Again there are many southerrners in Khartoum who are living far better than the indigenous people of Khartoum in girefat, burri , kalkalt ..and so on.There are northerners who are indeigenous Khartoumist living in Khartoum in houses covered by sorghum sacks!

          Southerners clean no ass of anybody!They earn thier food with their hands and sweat in a very decent and most honourable way. As long as you eat from your own hand with dignity, you are a free man and you can keep your hand up!

          It is far more honourable than those who lied and claimed to have been slaves for the sake of an asylum visa!

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          • 17 January 2011 19:02, by Ito

            Mohammed,

            First of all we southerners are kindhearted people unlike you who only care about yourselves. We should tell the truth, I don’t hate people for no reason. Arabs are judge by their actions, your problem is that you support whatever atrocities committed by your arabs or muslims brothers without stopping and analysing how it happens. You go by religion and race rather than logic and common sense.

            Back to president’s comments. I am happy with the way you have forgiven our terrible enemies, I know they have not yet forgiven us and I don’t know if they are going to forgive. But Mr. President, I strongly advise you and our parliament to be very careful when it comes to muslims and arabs. These people have bad hearts. They now lower their voice in south sudan because they are not the majority, if we allow their number to exceed ours, then I am so sorry to say that the whole country will be taken by arabs and they will do anything to eliminate us. Look the situation in eritrea, ethiopia.

            our democracy and human rights department should be semi and not full. We must restrict certain things no matter what the west try to say. Even the west itself in some years will be control by arabs or muslims if they continue to give freedom to muslims to converts more whites into islam while whites are not allowed to do that in arabs countries. They are producing more kids and whites don’t even want to have one child. I doubt if they have an idea of what arab agenda is.

            I am more worried my brothers and sisters. Someone can correct me if am wrong.

            May God bless us.

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            • 17 January 2011 22:59, by australian

              Ito: Please come to Australia and spread your message! They will not listen to me, even though I have studied Islam including its history. I know exactly how they are pretending to be poor victims and demanding ever-growing "rights" to practise their religion, and I know that eventually "practising their religion" means killing or enslaving us. Australians keep trying so hard to give them what they want! It’s crazy!
              The trouble is, Islam corrupts people’s brains and hearts, so much that they want to kill Muslims who want to leave Islam.
              Australians don’t understand this...but Salva Kiir should. He doesn’t have to hate them or ban them, but he should have respect for the people who have suffered and not expect them to welcome Islam like he does. Maybe he needs to learn that true Christians are strong, not grovelling to people who want to kill them.

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            • 17 January 2011 23:13, by kaci-banno

              Ito
              In fact I agree with your statement but president Kirr has to be careful in terms of dealing with Arabs, they have long range plans to bring chaos in south sudan in different aspects. I expect from Mr. president to address Southerners to forgive themselves first because there is no peace and harmony living among southerners, leave Arabs alone, already we are away from them, no needs to talk about their forgiveness. How can I forgive outside person while the person who lives with me is not forgiven? Among Southerners there is a spirit of suspicision, fear, disrespect to one another and thinking that another tribes is important than other one. Forgiveness start first with us than Arab.

              By: kaci_Ma-Banno

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  • 17 January 2011 08:54, by Bol Deng

    What is wrong when someone says I forgive you while meaning other. This is why people are difference.
    Thanks Salva Kiir Mayrdit for your words.

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    • 17 January 2011 08:58, by Victory

      Mr.kiir,
      we ’ve got nothing aganist north sudan, but they should release abyei.

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  • 17 January 2011 08:58, by $iong mayom

    correction: they think u are stupid and scared by them. then they start to exploit u.

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  • 17 January 2011 09:31, by Anyang

    Good idea Mr president, but I think Southerners Should first clean their backyard to be able to forgive their common enemy.

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    • 17 January 2011 11:07, by Deng E. Manyuon

      Hi Anyang,

      Sorry I could not get you properly. What do you mean by saying that you think Southerners should first clean their backyard in order to be able to forgive their common enemy? Are you able to give more explanation in this regard?

      Thanks

      Deng

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      • 17 January 2011 20:11, by John M. Atem

        Deng E. Manyuon,
        Iam sorry to respond to your comment. I have read many of your previous comments and I have found them to be stimulating and full of substances. I want to respectully disagree with you by quoting what President Obama said last week," let us disagree with out be disagreeable". So, my friend let us this forum as a way of correcting our past political mistakes rather than exacerbating them. Anyang was just expressing his personal opinion and he was not in any way insult no body. So, let us take our time to digest the point each and every one of us is trying to communicate rather than rushing into judgement.

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        • 18 January 2011 07:32, by Deng E. Manyuon

          Hi Mr John M. Atem

          Sorry my brother I did not feel or think that Anyang is deliberately insulting some body with his recent short commen posted into this web. What I thought was that his comment was very powerful. As such, I wanted him to give more explanation. His thinking of Southerners should first clean their backyard in order to be able to forgive their common enemy ( Jalabas) has left a very broad interpretation! I can interpretate it that he thinks the Southerners should forgive each other first. Because, we have also committed a lot of attrocities to ourselves or against ourselves. Or I can interpretate that he thinks that particular tribe in South should first make a revenge against particular tribe before issue of general forgiveness is discussed. I am a human being and I can make mistake when it comes to understanding or interpretation.
          So it is my principle and common understanding to ask question when I don’t understand things. I can say: What do you meant by this? or Can you explain this to me? or I could not get you properly? This is what I did to Anyang comment. I just said that sorry I could not get you properly! What do you mean by .............
          I did not rush into judging Anyang. Anyang is entitled to his own personal opinion. He can also persuade me with his argument when there is a substance.

          Moreover, please do not link my posted personal comment to my posted question to brother Anyang. I posted my personal comment before I could come across Anyang comment. Just recheck it. My comment was posted at 10:52 and my question to Anyang comment was at 11:07. So there is no any link between them. I know it is easy to link them!!

          I wish if I could know his explanation in order to respond to it!

          Deng

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    • 18 January 2011 09:53, by Anyang

      Deng E. Manyuon,

      Sorry mate! I thought the centrepiece of my comment would be so digestable to all, otherwise pardon me. Literally, I meant, we Southerners in Southern Sudan should first embraces one’s another so that we might be able to stires the wheels of forgiveness conviencingly.Finally, be honest when making any querry.

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      • 18 January 2011 13:12, by Deng E. Manyuon

        Anyang

        Thank you for getting back Anyang. First let me put it clear that I was very honest when making this querry. The theme or the centre argument of your comment is well understood to me now. Only it was the use of the word "backyard" that confused me. According to my understanding, the use of word backyard has connotation with geo-politics. It is always used when refering to your closed neighbours. For example, Australia considers Indonesia as is in its backyard. I guess our backyard it should not refer to the people of Southern Sudan, rather it should refer to either Uganda, Kenya, Ethiopia, Congo, Central Africa or Northern Sudan. We should not however refer to ourselves as backyard.

        On the other hand, I totally agree with you about the idea of embracing each other in the South.

        Deng

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  • 17 January 2011 10:52, by Deng E. Manyuon

    Our President Salva Kiir has put on the table a very sensitive appeal. It was timely and wisely annouced in a respected holy place (church). Salva has all the courage of great leader. That was a charismatic approach Mr President. Personally being a Christian, I 100% support Salva’s call for general forgiveness of Northerners. We should forgive our brothers in the North because they did not know what they were doing. I do agree with those who say that attrocities and crimes against humanity committed by Jalabas against our people in the South are beyond imagination and have left sort of permenant scars. Nevertheless... nevertheless... nevertheless, we need to show to the world that we are a great nation with might as well as peace loving people. Of course, we hated Jalabas for the reasons well-known to every one of us. But, since they are now ready to let us go, why not forgive them and live with them as neighbours.

    In recent history, British Emperor had invaded the South. They colonialized us for decades. They committed the same painful attrocities. Nevertheless, we forgave them. We extended our hands to be a good friends!
    Can all of us pause for seconds and look ahead without looking behind?

    Deng

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    • 18 January 2011 23:06, by australian

      Deng: Please document for me the atrocities the British did which equalled the 2.5 million killed, villages burned, women raped and enslaved, and millions displaced in the name of Islamic jihad.
      I have not yet read of these things, which you said were the "same" as the atrocities of the Jalabas.

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      • 19 January 2011 06:39, by Deng E. Manyuon

        Mr Australi

        Sorry Mr Australia I have just come across your querry right now. Here are the books that can put you in a better position to gather facts about British negative role and its involvement in attrocities in Southern Sudan:

        1. Dinka Resistance to Condominium Rule(1902-19320 by Lazurus Week Mawut;
        2. War of Visions: conflict of of identity in Sudan by Francis Mading Deng;
        3. Africa Under Colonial Domination(1880-1935) by A. Adu Boahen;
        4. South Sudan Right of Self-determination by Simon E. Kulusika;
        5. Living With Colonialism by Heather J. Sharkey;
        6. History of the Sudan by Peter Malcolm Holt;
        7. The Self-determination of Peoples by Wolfgang F. Danspeckgruber;
        8. Blackman’s Religion: can Chritianity be Afrocentric? by Glenn Usry, Craig S. Keener and
        9. The Anglo-Egyptian Sudan from within by Hamilton J. A.

        You can agree with me that colonialism by its very nature has racist connotation. British colonialism in particular was structured as a dictatorship, using violence to pacify the colonial subjects and to maintain order. They tended to choose a preferred ethnic group over all others in the countries that they colonized. these preferred groups were usually supported to the extent that they worked against the interests of other fellow countrymen. The British chose the Arab minority in Sudan to lord it over the majority Africans in Sudan. It favoured the Fulani in Nigeria.
        Most of British focus was on developing the economy and infrastrucutres of the North at the expanse of the South.
        The issue of Abyei and Southern Sudan borders with North could not reach at its peak now if British has stepped in with all historical facts. Since the struggle of the people of Southern Sudan from 1955-2005 British chosed to keep silence. Jalabas were just wearing British shoes over the Southern Sudan!!!!!!

        Deng

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        • 19 January 2011 19:42, by australian

          I have read only one of those books, "War of Visions", and I did not read about any atrocities equalling the slavery and jihad of the Arab Muslims: not even one. I read another book, "Bonds of Silk" about relations between the British and the Sudanese. The British emphatically did not use the Muslims to lord it over the southerners; although they favoured the northerners in many repects, they separated the north and south to protect the southerners and did their best (in the end) to abolish slavery. Although there were negative aspects to British rule, I suppose my point is that we should not fall into relativist thinking. Without British intervention, the southern people might well have been all converted to Islam, taken into slavery (the men were castrated by the Muslims too, don’t forget) or killed.

          Quite honestly, I would rather put up with British colonialism than suffer such a fate. I think Francis Mading Deng would not mind if the southern people had all been converted to Islam. But I am glad to see they have mostly chosen freedom.

          Thanks for the book list! I have taken note.

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  • 17 January 2011 11:08, by Padiet Deng Alony

    All is that Southern Sudanese can forgive but can’t forget.

    Cold war will be applied then.

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  • 17 January 2011 11:44, by junub

    One thing president Kiir needed to held firm in his mind is that anyone who inflicted atrocities to innocent people, is nothing but a criminal and should be held responsible to it whether he is a president of North Sudan or a vice president of South Sudan, leave alone to advocate the forgiveness of president El Bashir.

    Kiir might be confused otherwise he should have not wasted his time telling people of South Sudan to forgive president Bashir for the damage he had already done in the South. Probably if president Kiir have to advocated forgiveness, then he should have started first with doing his own little surveying if indeed his wrongdoings had been forgiven by the people of South Sudan before crossed that far to ask for Bashir is forgiveness.

    Bashir is not even forgiven in the heaven leave the asking of South Sudanese because if he was not sentenced to hell by God, then the country would have not been dividing now, and the ICC would have not puts him top on the list of the most wanted. But wait a minute, who does he president Kiir think he is to asks the people of South Sudan to do what the Christ would have not even asked them to do. Kiir is not a Jesus nor is he a messiah, but a mere president alike the president Bashir who is wanted now by the International Criminal Court. So president Kiir should slow it down for his God sake because if the Christ, the son of God, would not like Kiir’s asking of the people of South Sudan to back down to forgive the entire people of North Sudan leave aside the forgiving of theirs president El Bashir.

    So quit say things president Kiir that might make you look confused and the world to laughed at you.

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  • 17 January 2011 14:52, by Tambura

    Kolnyang
    Our president lead us until we see the light at end of tunnel, that is not will make him to be the right person to lead great south Sudan in future. He will step down so new generation can take the country from there with new ideas. Logically in human nature, you forgive somebody who knew his/her mistake and ask for forgiveness. What about we forgive jellaba today at our side without they ask for it and they start war tomorrow? I call this lack of judgement and leadership. Sorry Mr. thats the way I feel

    Next president of South Sudan
    Tamboura

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  • 17 January 2011 18:01, by Facts Check

    http://smc.sd/eng/news-details.html...

    SSRC; Referendum Final Outcome Will be declared on 31st January

    Southern Sudan Referendum Commission (SSRC) said it will declare final outcome of referendum for self determination in south by 31st of the current month. SSRC spokeswoman Suad Ibrahim Ahmed told (smc) that vote operation was conducted in orderly atmosphere both in north and south. “Referendum early result in kassala state records 41.9 percent as vote favoring secession and 28.5% for unity. The proportion of participation records70.4% from the targeted eligible voters in the state,” SSRC told (smc).

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  • 17 January 2011 19:31, by Samir mahmoud

    Mr.President of South Sudan,please remember those from the North,the East and the West wgo fought with you against the North.
    The SPLM/A was fighting for the whole Sudan and not South Sudan.
    Remember if John Garand wanted a separate state in South Sudan,he could have achieved that without much sacrifices.
    How can you simply deny the contributions of the Northerens in the SPLM?
    The two million are Sudanese first and foremost,dont let the hubris of victory drive you into the sin of pride,and dont believe that you alone,are the "Deliverer"of the people of the South and their Moses.

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  • 17 January 2011 20:11, by AAMA

    I honestly don’t understand what is the real problem with southern hate mongers, do they just hate the NCP or hate every single northerner and if that is the case then for what ?. Did every northerner hurt the south ? is the south completely innocent ? did the women and children killed in torit commit any crime against the south ? do you hear the same bullshit about the south from northerners ?. How many northerners where killed by southerners out of hate crimes ?, did you hear that the northerners abandoned any ally before (nuba mts and blue nile)? Did those bad northern governments ever started a war against the south? I don’t understand how can someone so hateful and racist claim to be kind harted?. I can safely say that the north at least criticize its self for any mistakes happen (even if they where dragged in to them).

    I think you guys need to separate and try your luck on your own to know the truth about life and truly appreciate the things you took for granted.

    Peace.

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    • 17 January 2011 23:24, by Stephen kuach

      AAma: the Sudanese civil war was the first African longest war,it has taken many lives socially, economically and lonely ,this conflict will not be easily forgotten in bothsides,if you don’t believed in what happened in Sudan or never heard about what your sick minded people had done to the people of the South,then you should seek someone to verbalized it to you from the begining,do you believed that the war victimized from the South should easily just forgive your dirty ass Northerners, I mean the fuckin chomos who molested kids during the struggling in the south, and now you’re telling us that you have no any idea what the hatred all about?

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      • 18 January 2011 07:50, by AAMA

        Listen my friend, war makes everybody sick minded and northerners are neither angels nor demons and not every northerner committed crimes to simply say northerners are this and that. I am glad that you know that both sides did wrong things and people have suffered in both directions and its about time that we all move on and start thinking positively, at least that’s what your president is trying to say. No one should apologies to the other but rather just forgive and move on (as much as he can). The north and south are difficult to separate practically despite all the differences and hate that is going on, therefore, if you don’t listen to your president, you will live uncomfortably with your hate for life and you will make it difficult for yourself and your government to build the country by creating continuous problems with your inseparable neighboring communities. Problems that are mainly fueled by this hate.

        Peace.

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        • 18 January 2011 08:46, by Deng E. Manyuon

          AAMA

          It is good to admit that Norhterners are not angels. Some of them have committed attrocities during the civil war. I also agree with you not every Northerner was able to commit attrocities or able to influence the system in the centre. Even some of them have also suffered in the hands of successive regimes in Khartoum. However, any system or regime is a symbol of a nation or a country. As such, a nation can be accountable through its system.

          Though Salva Kiir’s call for forgiveness is very...very sensitive, I 100% back him. His call was a step forward to healing process between our two nations. But I totally disagree with you when you say no one should apologize to another rather we should move on. Leaders in the North should apologize for their deeds. I am not asking a mere Northerner to apologize.
          Kiir is appealing, not an order, to the people of Southern Sudan and who are bearing painful memories of attrocities committed by jalabas in Khartoum to forgive the jalabas. And I personally support that appeal. I do expect your government in Khartoum to make a sort of apology which may speed up the healing process.

          Deng

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          • 18 January 2011 12:29, by AAMA

            Dear Deng,

            To cut the argument short, most of the northerners feel both their pain and your pain, that’s why they are able to understand the situation better than you guys (forget about the NCP that took power by arms and does not represent the people like you suggest). However, most of you seem just to look at your personal pain and dwell in it, you only see yourself, or at least most of you. Maybe tomorrow when the north is out of your life you will be able to think rationally and realize that we are all sinners my friend.

            Peace.

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            • 18 January 2011 13:24, by Deng E. Manyuon

              AAMA

              Just simple questions... do you think the people of Palestine has a noble cause? Do you think Palestinians hate Israel and why?

              Deng

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              • 18 January 2011 17:08, by wiseman

                Australian and other writer please select words of mutual respect.All of you are young and if you do not witness you have heard the atrocities of torit against northerners. So that Australian do not generalialzed the mistaken deeds of ploiticians on all northerners. I think you are a coward one your support is only by words while you are sheltered in Australia and western countries who are misleading you. You guide slava is a peace loving wise man who truly suffered the bitterness of war and trying by forgiveness to create & continue the deeply rooted good ties with the north.

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                • 18 January 2011 23:35, by australian

                  I cannot let these words go unanswered.
                  Of course I have heard about Torit. And there was panic because of well-founded fear of the Jalabas whose previous activities against the south were well-known and who they suspected were about to take them to the north as slaves. And perhaps the jihad against the entire non-Muslim world for 1300 years was well known by some. If what happened in Torit was terible, at least it can be said that it did not come from religious texts which advocate violence and slavery and which are supposed to be eternal.
                  You cannot write here that people are "cowards". You cannot assume you are better or "wiser" than others with such ease and arrogance.
                  Salva Kiir should be careful what he says because he has such influence. The "deeply rooted good ties" with the north are NOT deeply rooted but they have a chance of getting stronger and I have seen this possibility slowly developing myself. But good ties do not develop from denial or by putting the onus on the victims to simply forgive. Yes, I know many northerners suffered, and many lost a son. But some southerners lost ALL their sons, and their homes, and you know all the rest.
                  The northern people are going to find that life will get worse for them until they get out and fight their government. It is no good just complaining. Freedom has to be fought for and sometimes people have to die. Salva Kiir knows that. It is all very well to be "peace-loving" when the battle is over, but don’t forget why the battle happened. It could happen again, and you don’t want your people to go soft in the head.

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              • 19 January 2011 08:07, by AAMA

                I don’t see any the relation between this and that. However, to answer your question, then yes, Palestinians do have a very noble cause, their only problem is that they didn’t manage the situation right from the beginning as they were driven by hate which was fueled by stupid unpractical Arab leaders theories in the 50s and 60s (hate automatically generates failure and stops rational thinking).

                Coming to our subject, you cannot compare your case to Palestinians by any means. You were never occupied (unless in some sick minds), in fact, today you have more rights than northerners do but unfortunately you are too blinded by hate that you can’t see them, and still, you opt out. The root of the south problem is in the hearts of the southerners more than the deeds of the north. All the north bullshit done in the south since independence was a mere reaction to that problematic mentality and the misunderstanding of the roots of the problem from successive northern leaders, and this is the painful truth.

                You guys didn’t learn from others experiences; take the Arabs for examples, where did the hate to Israel lead them to, and who is paying the price today ?, no body but the new generations of poor Palestinians. And then look at South Africa’s example (by the way, you don’t compare to both, I just want to demonstrate the forgiveness effect). I am afraid that this hate culture will ruin your new country if it wasn’t dealt with properly starting from now.

                Peace.

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                • 19 January 2011 10:25, by Deng E. Manyuon

                  AAMA

                  There is a copmarison between this and that my friend when it comes to the nation’s hates. Palestinian people, Arabs and Muslims hate the nation of Israel. The people of Southern Sudan hate the people of the Northern Sudan. And this is reality!! The same way you justify the noble cause of palestinian people is the same way the people of Southern Sudan Justify their noble cause. As such, the level of their hatred to the North is justifiable.

                  Though the levels of hatred are the same between this and that, the approaches and reactions are different. The people of the South waged war against you (Jalabas) with dignity, pride, honour and fairness. We did not carry out suicide bombs, we did not blow up innocent civilians. We respected our Prisoners of War (POWs). Our targets were military (Sudan Armed Forces). My friend all these can prove to you that despite the peak level of hatred we are still thinking rationally. We are not sick mentally. We are not fanatics. Let me tell you that you have not lost a lot. You have lost the South, but Islam is still with you. Can you also tell Iran that they don’t need to be very sorrowful in this regard.

                  I support Salva Kiir appeal for general forgiveness. But that does not mean that we should not expect a formal apology from the Northern leaders for their wrongdoings!

                  Peace

                  Deng

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                  • 19 January 2011 12:29, by AAMA

                    Deng

                    You can love or hate the north, you won’t make a difference to them but you will make a difference to yourself. You are made to think that the north is evil and the wars that you waged had justifiable reason and finally the north had to give up to you. My friend you have to know that the north is not that evil and your wars are not completely justifiable (but this is culture of how you approach problems, whenever anything goes wrong, you immediately take the guns and kill the jalabas (the source of all your misery)). Finally, you are made to think that you forced the north to let you go when in reality the NIF was working since 1960s to eliminate the south from Sudan so that they make the field level for an Islamic constitution without having to worry about the south.

                    My friend the difference between us is that I try to listen to you but you don’t try to listen to me, you just try to attack me, and this is where every Sudanese have a problem with the south. It is just too difficult to have a mutual understanding between us, we are so different.

                    Peace.

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                    • 19 January 2011 14:38, by Deng E. Manyuon

                      AAMA

                      It is good to acknowledge that we are so different. That is what we have been telling you since 1947. The NIF formerly Islamic Charter Organisation in 1960s was able to wisely detect that we are so different. But you and your traditional and sectarian parties in Khartoum were so ignorant to extent that you believe our people in the South are not capable to rule themselves or to think properly. You believe that we can’t think rationally inorder to safe-guard our own interests. You believe you are perfect or super human as such you can do the best for our people in the South.

                      By the way, the only culture which I know of in the modern Sudanese history is military coups by Jalabas in Khartoum. Killing of Jalaba is not a culuture rather it was to let you forceably listen. Because you are not listening. So don’t pretend that you were tentively lestining. You could believe that by committing unimaginable attrocities against the people in the South, they would easly surrender or give up and stay in a forced unity. If you were listening, you should have implemented the 1947 Juba Conference resolutions and recommendations. You should not have gone to Egypt 1953 to discuss Self-determination without Southern Sudanese representatives!!! If you were listening, you should have distributed the jobs fairly to mark post-independence. If you were listening, you should not have initially rejected the federal system. If you were listening, you should have implemented the 1968 Sudanese round table of all parties. If you were listening, you should not have said that Addis Ababa Agreement was not a Holy Bible or Holy Qaran.

                      Unity should be a voluntary option, and not by force. My late hero Dr John Garang de Mabior was saying that the current old Sudan is surviving or co-existing by chance. With the SPLM struggle, Sudan will never be the same again. It has to be dismentaled. It has to be reassembled correctly inorder to form or forge what we called the New Sudan. The map of Sudan will never be the same my friend.

                      Deng

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                      • 20 January 2011 10:24, by AAMA

                        Deng

                        Thanks for the civilized way you are discussing issues. However, I feel that our discussion is starting to go in circles. But yes we are different, because I admit my mistakes but you don’t, because you are not willing to even try looking at things from the other perspective. You just have a message that you want to pass through rather than discuss and convince.

                        1. Anyways, to start with your points, the NIF wants a 100% muslim country to pass their ideologies, not because we are different. If all of you became muslims, I don’t think they will pursue separating you, so to them, you guys are an obstacle.

                        2. I agree that sectarian parties in Khartoum were ignorant in their understanding of the south problem and the right way to approach it, but not because they believed the south can’t rule itself but rather failing to understand what the southerners really want, and, to be honest, how many years did these guys rule in order to achieve peace? for example, it took 16 years for the NCP and SPLA to reach an agreement.

                        3. Regarding the military coups, you know that we are a third world country that is constantly trying to find its way into development by exercising different ideas, and millitary coups in the third world are almost a standard thing. The only difference is that we in Sudan used to have a strong will (and we will regain that ability soon) to remove tyrants from power (the main trigger by the way was always the failure in the south), thats why we have been able to experience some brief democracies.

                        4. Regarding killing of jalabas (the name itself hides a form of a racism), do you think they listened? and what did you gain? Do you think you gained independence by killing all those people?. My friend you are separated intentional and not because you started the fight, you just found in the NCP the right partner to achieve that goal.

                        5. Regarding self determination, there wasn’t a southern consensus on that until the NCP came to power, so stop talking about history on that subject.

                        6. Regarding jobs, my friend everybody in Sudan didn’t get a fair share, so why is it that the south is always the only one to complain? You know why? Ill tell you, the south is always the only one to complain because the south is always suspicious about the north no matter what the north do and this is a cultural thing that has lately been covered by atrocities and injustices to justify this hate. Please also look at what you did before crying about atrocities (this can help in the healing process). Again, it’s not the north deeds my friend; it’s this culture of feeling as if you are a minority, different and practically inferior. And even in this regard, today the south share a third of the north jobs (a least have the right to) and enjoys the whole south alone and you are still not happy.

                        7. Regarding 1968, you got a coup by Nimiery that was a blessing for you guys and you got peace after that, otherwise the NIF was try to pass sharia at your expense, so, you should complain about that one.

                        8. My friend, Addis Ababa agreement was broken by your differences, some want the south united so they can rule (dinka) while other want it to be divided like the north (other smaller tribes wanted to be free from the dinka majority). So what shall Nimeiry do, either way there will be a rebellion. All the rest of Niemery bullshits came after that.

                        9. Your hero Garang was trying to implement an Idea that is alien to your mentality. Even that Idea can be criticized to be too pro south rather than an idea that really address the whole nation problem. For example, Sudan doesn’t need to be dismantled and reassembled just because you like it that way. Sudan can simply be reformed whenever the NCP is out of the picture. And while I applaud Garangs effort, most of his own people didn’t truly believe in it. Its either garang says something and means another or his vision has been betrayed.

                        Finally, best wishes with your new country and try to clean up your heart my friend, otherwise you will never live in peace.

                        Regards,

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