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December 31, 2011 (JUBA) – Armed members of the Lou-Nuer ethnic group today attacked Pibor town, home of the Murle tribe, in defiance of efforts by senior politicians to diffuse tension in Jonglei state’s Pibor county.

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Lou Nuer youth listen to VP Riek Machar at Linkuangole on Wednesday Dec. 28, 2011

Vice President, Riek Machar, and other senior members of the South Sudanese government met with the leaders of both groups this week to try and prevent further violence.

Around 3,000 armed Luo-Nuer men entered Pibor town today setting fire to houses, according to acting Pibor county commissioner Allan Keriri.

Eyewitnesses told Sudan Tribune that the Luo-Nuer youth control most of the town including the airport. They are also reported to have made the main county hospital their base inside the town.

Machar was still in Likwangole town 25 km from Pibor town trying to negotiate with the Luo-Nuer youth by phone when the attack occurred. The Luo-Nuer group took control over of Likwangole earlier this week.

On Wednesday, they told Machar in Likwangole that they would move out of Murle territory but the verbal agreement appears to have been dishonoured.

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Lou Nuer youth listen to VP Riek Machar at Linkuangole on Wednesday Dec. 28, 2011

The Luo-Nuer are reported to have entered Pibor town at around 3pm. Their leadership say that they will continue to capture Murle areas in search of 180 Luo-Nuer children they claim the Murle abducted in August.

The offensive is in response to an attack in August, blaimed on the Murle, in which around 700 Nuer were killed in Uror county.

In the August attack 861 were injured and 208 children kidnapped in an attack in Uror County, in the north of Jonglei state, according to officials, who estimated that nearly 8,000 were houses were burnt down and over 38,000 heads of cattle stolen.

This year over 1,000 people have died in Jonglei state in reciprocal attacks, which began as cattle raids but have escalated into retaliatory violence along ethnic lines.

It is unclear how many have died in the attacks this week but reports indicate that scores may have been killed. The UN estimate that over 20,000 have already been displaced by the Luo-Nuer offensive.

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  • 31 December 2011 16:31, by Mi diit

    Oh my God. The Lou-Nuer youth have captured the Murle headquarters. That is a real disaster. I don’t know what Jonglei state will look like from tomorrow as January 1, 2012. What will the new year bring to Jonglei?

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    • 31 December 2011 16:45, by Gorden Wang

      That doesn’t sound good,I urge the Lou-Nuer to show restrain and not to advance to other Murle areas.It’s useless fighting people who could not face you,it’s a waste of time and resources.The Murle killers will never come out to fight,that’s what you should know.Withdraw now and let the government handle the Murle disarmament with the help of their chiefs,that seems the only possible way to get...

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      • 31 December 2011 17:59, by Quol Quot

        The government failed to disarmed Murle, no nobody should hinder the disarmament. This thuggish criminals that live by selling other peoples kids need to pay for their sins.
        While our youth is busy liberating South Sudan from Arabs, they come behind us to kill our mothers, fathers and children. They are so stupid. Only God knows Murle’s fate.

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        • 31 December 2011 18:08, by Ahmed Chol

          This is going to be the routine. Murle attack and kidnap kids, they will see invasion. Their elders always say that our youth is so wild that they don’t listen anymore. I think they will listen now that war is bad. They always see other people dying, now the last people they will see dying are their people.
          They think we are incapable of war when we ask for peace. But how do we fight Arabs?

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          • 31 December 2011 18:19, by Ahmed Chol

            Riek wants Jonglei to be in Chaos forever if he stops Lou Youth
            This war will bring insecurity to an end in Jonglei. Murle has been a headache to Anyuak, Lou and Bor for decades. This is the time to solve this problem.
            If this disarmament is allow to continue for a month, insecurity will decrease in Jonglei. Everything has fail and this is the last resort!. Let the disarmament continue.

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            • 31 December 2011 18:26, by Ahmed Chol

              Before they attack and kidnap kids in the future, Murle will have to ask what the consequences will be to their communities? Destroying other people will result into their destruction. Their style of war is to hit and run and that will not help them this time. Konyi and Akot Mazee never stood up to condemn their youth. I hope they advise them in the future, not jus to start selling abducted kids.

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              • 31 December 2011 20:23, by Quol Quot

                Lou Nuer: Riek is your enemy
                Riek puts his political interest above everything. He wants Murle to be his political base. He is the problems in Jonglei. He is the reason why Murle was not disarmed in 2006, 2007, 2008, and 2009. He rejected the idea that the SPLA should disarm Murle. He said that let their chiefs collect the guns to avoid bloodshed and no guns were collected.

                Quol Quot

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        • 31 December 2011 18:39, by James A. Majak

          Murle are stubborn and criminal people. But, we can not encourage Nuer youth to kill them. This would ignite fight between tribes in the region of S. South. Instead, we must establish peace between the two to alleviate the conflict that has culminated since the CPA and S. South Independence. We are one but some don’t recognize having our country will lead to discovery of our values and justice.

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          • 31 December 2011 19:00, by Ajok Garang

            James what means do you need the murle to understand when they have all the weapon with them? how many time did the tribes in Jonglei seek for peaceful resolutions of conflict and no one put attentions from murle side? when murel attack other tribes p’ple make noise...but if they attack other tribes no one bother,we can live without murle in the state.

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      • 31 December 2011 18:00, by Gorden Wang

        guns out of their hands and to pacify the notorious county.Nothing much to say,but thing never gotten this worst between the two communities.The Lou-Nuer have never been to Pibor before,it’s the first time in the history of the two communities.This show the level of enimousity things have got.

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        • 31 December 2011 21:23, by Aarai Baka

          To gorden Wang

          just wait little while and see which side have more death. Murle have already evacuated their elders, children, women to the safe place and allowed Nuers to burned down their houses, but when returned back to their places, looks how ugly will turn out to nuers youth.

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          • 31 December 2011 22:14, by Makeethy

            @ Ararai,
            you are just barking my friend. Shut the fuck up! What numbers you talking about when your ancestral land is captured and you ran to Ethiopia? Assume that there is not gonna be government intervention, where will you go? Lou-Nuer wants to use your towns as their bases, then go to the bushes and sloughter your stupid ass. At that point, we will then be able to compare the true statistics

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      • 31 December 2011 19:04, by Paul

        I wonder what will happened next time when the Murle retaliate. Murle are few and therefore are hard to find and wipe them off. It is like searching for a needle in a hay sag The only solution will only come from the Government. If 6000 Low youth are in Murle Land that must mean no youth protecting their vulnerables one back home...hmmmm?

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        • 1 January 15:37, by Deng manyok

          Paul, you think about the retaliation that murle will do in the future. Rather to Pray for lasting peace to be adore by Murle instead you supporting them. Strongship if you don’t know, it is a company of values, truth ideas and vision which is guided your destination.If I am wrong asked somebody.But tell me if your system has values, I mean the Murle. Idon’t want to waste my time to lecture you.

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          • 1 January 16:03, by Deng manyok

            Because each generation in Murle from time to time they live in the kingdom of animal which they don’t realised the value of human civilization. I argued my point to let you know Murle in general are not good at all, but if there is anyone in Murle to educate them let he shows up. However I don’t think so. My hero paul if you support Murle than there is no reason Lou Nuer can not discipline them,

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            • 1 January 16:31, by Deng manyok

              But My opinion was different I was think the GoSS to educate Murle. Because we have a nation and GoSS has compacity to manage its people weather are criminal like Murle or animal in the wild.I don’t see any option here I expect Lou Nuer to not tobe leave the area without agreement by Murle or if there is no agreement let you be there until the they accept what I mean a permanent peace in our Jungl

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      • 1 January 01:48, by George Bol

        Lou Nuer will regret after coming back from Murleland.SPLA must captured those aimless Lou and Jikeny nuer fot committing genocide against Murle. Now, SPLM have been tasted and human right is watching at the SPLM because of failing to stop these criminals on killing innocent civilians in Pibor county.

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        • 1 January 03:08, by Paul

          BIG TEST TO KIIR LEADERSHIP INDEED!!!!!!!!!!!! THE QUIETE MAN IS REALLY TOO QUIET THIS TIME

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    • 1 January 08:46, by Ayuen deng

      Those who are suffering in Murle weather child,an elderly person,don’t blame Lou Nuer but you blame your brothers and sons for keeping this state in fear and insecurity.This will be the end of your brother and sons looting cows and kidnapping of childing

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    • 2 January 04:15, by akid malual

      its trible disater that. because it was better for lou youth not to enter pibor and deal with murle in there camp village. which some time acknowledge them of multi crime that murle did alway.
      Peace in a new Nation.

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  • 31 December 2011 17:06, by Cadaai ?o?

    The Greater Upper Nile Dinka, the Greater Upper Nile Nuer, and Murle people need to be treated with good managing system between modern leaders in Juba, State leaders, Counties’ leaders, Payam’s leaders, and their counterparts, who are traditional leaders. There is a big gap between these two branches of leadership in South Sudan. Both need to leave ignorant, they just need respect each other.

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    • 1 January 18:39, by bakuluk

      Rss is fail State,if the tribes war is became entertainment in Stat.And I can’t culpability Nou Nuer for their revenge action,because Counties Commissioner have no diplomacy to other County Commissioner,traditional leader,governor,Mp.

      Those illagal official government,work in State are working to get rich,not serving people.

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  • 31 December 2011 17:16, by Cadaai ?o?

    The word, "tit for tat" to me wouldn’t help by the way when it comes to peaceful communities in South Sudan. Especially, the tribes of the Greater Upper Nile region. Good strategy is need it through diplomatic ways. I am worry that politic ideology and mistrust among the tribes would be amended soon because of this incidental conflicts unless government has other ways to ease the issue.

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  • 31 December 2011 17:21, by Cadaai ?o?

    according to my view, Vice President Riek Machar. It was not a good time to intervene after the blood had already been spilled. The good time I thought it might had helped your intervention would been when Nuer tribe still in Nuer’s land.

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    • 31 December 2011 18:51, by James A. Majak

      It’s a good time for the vice president to intervene because there is yet not a bloodly attack taken place. I think he was not aware of the youth campaign to Pibor; he must have stopped them before they reached to Murle soil. And, however, it has offered him a tip as a peacekeeper, as he traveled to the scene and talked to youth directly. I Think he is in the right track to ban the problem.

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      • 31 December 2011 19:04, by Ajok Garang

        no need to stop them from going to pibor b,se no one stop murle if they move and kidnap and killed children and women in other tribes example ,Easten Equartoria, suffers for the theft of murle...nuer ,Bor,and other neighbors so murle need to be wipeout in the map of Jonglei and the rest.

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    • 1 January 17:27, by Ajokbil

      The mobilization and movement of Lou-Nuer toward Murle Land has been reported in the media. Government set back to watch them going. The intervention, VP is trying, should have happen when they are at their home. You can not quench the fire when it has already catch the house.
      This was how Rwanda genocide was allow to go and now they are reporting and blame themselves for what they should have d

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  • 31 December 2011 17:59, by mohammed ali

    Where is UNIMISS?Where is the Mighty SPLA? Where is Helda Jones? This is genocide in front of her eyes.My god this terrible.The poor people are dying for nothing and the real culprits , the looters are nowhere to hear of.

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  • 31 December 2011 18:57, by Kim Deng

    Nuer Warriors,

    When Nuer Warriors declare "Kac-lore," they fight like mad dogs, which mean if any out side force SPLA or UN be attempted to stop Nuer wrath, they will face the same consequences. They Mighty Nuer Warriors will not come back until they clear out the entire Murle community from Jonglei.

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  • 31 December 2011 19:05, by Kim Deng

    Murle,

    Where are you coward warriors who hit and run instead of facing Mighty Nuer Warriors in the field of death?

    If the Nuer Warriors had decided to declare Nuer empire from Renk to Mading Bor and from Abiemnom to Gambella-Buma, other coward Jurs (Dinka, Shilluk, Anyuak, Burun, Murle...) would have not stopped them. Only Zulu of South Africa can face Nuer Warriors in warfields.

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    • 31 December 2011 19:22, by Rommel

      Kim Deng:

      I was expecting you to speak of an exclusive Nuer bravery, based almost entirely from the exigent circumstances of the past. You disparagingly call the Dinka cowards, no matter. What’s the value of the words of a haughty slave? What matters is that Khartoum knows which tribe fought them hardest during the second civil war > the Dinka.

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      • 31 December 2011 19:26, by Rommel

        We have been the indisputable champions of the second civil war, your talk of an exclusive Nuer bravery is laughable. Khartoum understands who they used, and who above all else they confronted in the battlefields.

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        • 1 January 04:32, by Paul

          Rommel, Can’t agree more with you! Kim Deng, So you wish!

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        • 1 January 08:15, by Gorden Wang

          Rommel,

          You are as pathetic as Kim.You claim Dinka fought single handedly with the Arabs,a trash I can not believe.Major battles fought and won during the hay days of the Movement (SPLA/M) were exclusively fought by Nuers.Lets talk of the battles of Pinyshala,Kurmuk (both the first and the last one),Nasir,Jokou,Mayom (where Bashir was wounded),Akobo,Leer and areas around Malakal,all these battle.

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          • 1 January 08:24, by Gorden Wang

            involved largely Nuer men.And many battles around Equatoria too.I my self was deployed in Eastern Equatoria along with many Nuers under the commandership of late Deng Aguang.If Nuers were not involved in the war,then what were the causes of SPLA weakening of 1990s exactly after the split.Can that not give you a hint of the greater fighting force the Nuer provided to the Movement? Even though......

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            • 1 January 08:34, by Gorden Wang

              you know of the Nuer importance in the liberation war,yet seem ignorant due to the tribal hatred in you.I’m sure you are one of the guys who get their information from heresay.You have never been to the real battlefield with the Arabs,yet here you are telling the Nuers who have been there,that they didn’t.Your reasoning is so low,you choose easy path of glorifying yourself,when infact you don’t...

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              • 1 January 08:45, by Gorden Wang

                have any as individual.Yes Dinka contributed and so did others,even the very small communities such as the Murle who were visibly present in my battalion of Agrab.Others did their part of liberation in their own small ways,yet significant.If you are educated as you are,you should stop that rubbish of yours,posting in every comment about how Dinka shed more blood than others.

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                • 1 January 18:20, by Rommel

                  Gordon Wang:

                  Where have I stated that the Dinka fought this war "exclusively"? If the Nuer did not provide the SPLA with earth, water and its very first battalions... we wouldn’t be here, South Sudan would not be independent. The SPLA was weakened not solely by Nuer dejection in the 1990s, but by other exigent circumstances, the overthrow of Mengistu - our primary supplier of hardware,

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                  • 1 January 18:33, by Rommel

                    material and logistics. The victories you mentioned, the towns captured and the advances made, counted almost for nothing after the split, because naturally others had to recapture them, in addition to what they had already captured! If you truly were in Agreb, then you would know that Dinka from Abiemnom, Pariang, Twic-east, Hol and Bor were the majority in that particular battalion and in

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                    • 1 January 18:41, by Rommel

                      Khoryium division as a whole. The same is true of Mour-Mour division and others from Bahr el Ghazal. My intention was never to insult the Nuer people, however, I will not tolerate my people being branded cowards when we lost over a million civilians in the war, and supplied most of the divisions, a truth amplified ten fold after the split.

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                • 2 January 03:11, by Makeethy

                  @ Gordon Wang,
                  Nuer shed blood during the struggle, but mostly for nothing. The NIF bought them only to cause attrocities to their brothers in the south. If you were in south sudan during 90’s, you would understand what I mean. I remember I spending a night at Nyuonbany’s home in pageri, a night earlier before his defection. A large number of Nuer went with him, leaving Dinka to fight arabs.

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            • 1 January 08:34, by George Bol

              Gordon Wang,

              I would agree if Nuer were fighting food but if really battle then 98% were militia under the umbrella of Khartoum. Thanks

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          • 1 January 08:52, by LL Reuben

            Gordon Wang,

            The Nuer handed those places back to Arabs during the 90s, I guess...with bravery again. Prove me wrong if you have any substantial evidences.

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            • 1 January 09:12, by Gorden Wang

              I don’t know of place or town willingly given back to the Arabs,either by Nasir faction or Torit faction.For Torit faction, towns were lose understandably due to the effects of the split.But,I don’t know of towns lose under the Nasir faction.You have to tell me.

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              • 1 January 09:19, by Gorden Wang

                LL.Rueben,

                I’m not claiming Nuers to be exceptionally brave,we have our cowards and braves,just like any other society.

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              • 1 January 10:35, by LL Reuben

                Mr. Wang,

                Pardon me for my earlier generalization sentiment against the entire Nuer, but sometimes it is extremely hard to elaborate the patriotism in most Nuer supposedly prominent leaders. Tell me exactly what Nassir faction was meant for…self-determination for South Sudan...Hhhmmm? Today’s Riek Machar, Paulino Matip, you named them, all Khortoum servants.

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    • 1 January 03:09, by watchdog-alanilson

      Kim Deng, you calling Dinka coward but some Dinka are siding in the liberation of murle land Dinka Hol and Nyarweng and may twic are also among the Nuer Youth if Duken population was like Lou Nuer the whole Sudan would been under their control.Brave Dinkas are Apandang,Duken, Agaar,Gok and renk. Nuer are not more brave its just a bullying acts.

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    • 1 January 13:48, by AUGUSTINO DENG

      Dear Kim Deng,
      There is a saying said by the Late Former President of Sudan Jaffar Nimeiri that"If I poured sugar on the street of Bentiu all the way to Khartoum then he will get hold of all Nuer people one by one.That is true.I wondered when did Nuer become fighters and leave fighting in foods.Nuer people always killed people because of foods.
      Nuer people know Dinka Ruweng of Abiemnom very well

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  • 31 December 2011 19:26, by Jalaby

    Tribe A attacks tribe B, tribe B revenges and attacks tribe A, again tribe A attacks tribe B, tribe C attacks tribe D, and the same story going on!!
    It’s small jungle, no life for weak tribe, survival for fittest only!
    All this fighting over cows, S. government doesn’t exist at all and people should take the law by their own hand to survive! No surprise it’s new Sudan theorem!

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    • 31 December 2011 20:19, by Rommel

      Jalaby:

      It’s amusing the way you people pretend that you’re no longer haunted by the afflictions of tribal warfare. Purely from the grotesque way in which you people pontificate, one could almost believe that you had indeed established a shangri-la of sorts.

      That you’re not at this moment faced with tens of thousands of civilians fleeing south Kordofan and Blue Nile...

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      • 31 December 2011 20:28, by Rommel

        That over a million haven’t been displaced from the conflagaration in Darfur, a conflict from casualties would exceed those lives consumed by tribal conflicts in the South, over a ten year period! You now pretend that Khartoum treats ’Arab’ and African tribes with the same dispensation, when this is clearly not the case.

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        • 1 January 05:26, by mohammed ali

          Rommel, no tribe is allowed to attack another tribe, there is law. Even if my tribe attack another tribe I will not approve it.This genocide ,I will never condone it. The rebel in Sudan SK call hemselves Nubian, but do they represent the Nubians, they are just a small minority but they have got arms and a loud voice...likewise in Darfur; Minin Arcawi is fighting in the name of Darfur but ....

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          • 1 January 05:34, by mohammed ali

            .he didn’t win a single seat in the elections and he never will. Even within his own tribe he will not get 10% support.His tribe will not be attack,no killing due to ethinicity, tribe.Millions of Southerners were living in the north during the war, were they ever been killed or attacked.They go to the same schools,hospitals..etc just like any other citizent.No killing due ethinic orgion is allowed

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            • 1 January 05:41, by mohammed ali

              The war in SK,BN is not tribal; it is rebells versus the government.Tribal wars do occur in Darfur between the nomades when they compete over resources; but the government and the national army intervene immediately and reconcillation is conducted with the support of the government and the government pay 50% of the blood fued.Law and order will prevail over all.What is happening now is...

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              • 1 January 05:48, by mohammed ali

                genocide and anarchy with your support of you thousands of miles away.Blaming murle alone is unfair and not true.This because they are small tribe;all small tribes are being attacked by big tribes.Nuer were fighting among themselves;Jankey versus Lou and horrendous attrocities were committed including enslaving children and women.This cycle will not stop if educated people continue thinking tribal

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                • 1 January 17:42, by Rommel

                  Mohammed Ali:

                  You’re entertaining if not anything else. Are you really going to contend that "no tribe is allowed to attack another tribe"? This despite the fact that the Janjaweed (Arab Darfurians) were provided with weapons, supplies and support through joint operations. Have you forgoten of the murahaleen? Government supported Arab militia that were used with such devastation in South Sudan

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                  • 1 January 17:50, by Rommel

                    Your government is not an impartial institution, and has never been; the Fur, Masalit and Zaghawa only know too well that they are not regarded as equals with the Arab tribes of Darfur and have paid the price for this final realisation. Their territories are this very moment occupied by Arab tribes from Chad and Niger. Your condescending talk must end. You have lost no less than 100, 000

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                    • 1 January 18:00, by Rommel

                      from the war in Darfur... a war very much defined and characterized by tribal identities, territories, the resources to be had and the government’s subsequent skewed response. A response almost in entirely in favour of the Arab Darfurians and their continued enroachment on non-Arab lands.

                      Stop pretending that certain people in North Sudan are not treated with greater regard and consideration.

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                  • 1 January 20:12, by mohammed ali

                    Rommel, no ididn’t forget Jajweed; but I know what is Janjweed before this government comes to power and before their name came on the media. Janjweed existed in Darfur for decades before this government and they were not from a single tribe.Do you know what is janjweed stands for?! or you simply heard the name in the media and you are just repeating it? There are Arabs among the rebels in Darfur.

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                    • 1 January 20:31, by mohammed ali

                      ..but the rebells exploited the ant-arabs sentiment the same way used to get support from them.Marheel were there for centuries and also used as a propoganda. Marheel came from the word " rahal" meaning " left one place to another place.The misseriya were doing this journey or " rihla " searching water during summer to the south for centuries and has nothing to do with war. They travel with ...

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                      • 1 January 20:38, by mohammed ali

                        their children, women, cattle and houshold to stay during summer where their there is water and take the same journey " rihla" northward during the rainy season.It has nothing to do with war, but western journalist made a fuss about while it is still there and did not stop.The non-arab tribes are mostly farmers and usually living in towns, so the conflict mostly occur between Arab tribes.messeria.

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                        • 1 January 20:45, by mohammed ali

                          ..rizegat, maaliya and rare with farmers.This quickly settled by the government and the national army and nobody will dare to attack the army or disobey it!All of this has nothing to do with rebillion.Khalil was part of this government and join Turabi when he split from the NCP, and started his rebillion after that.He killed Bolad who joined Garang and started rebillion in Darfur in early 90th...

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                          • 1 January 20:52, by mohammed ali

                            He represents the millitary wing of Turabi’s party.All the leaders of JEM were NCP members including Khalil brother Gibril and Ahmed Hassan Adam, Tugud and others.After-all do you mean you want to copy what you think was happening in Darfur? Remember you call it genocide and ethink cleansing.Now you blame Murle but you attacked Murle before and they retaliated and will do that again, unless you ..

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                    • 1 January 20:48, by Rommel

                      I am well aware of the fact that the ’Janjaweed’ existed and operated in Darfur in the mid 1980’s. I am also privy to the etymology and meaning of the word ’janjaweed’, I also understand that it is composed entirely of a mixture of *Arab* tribes.

                      There are indeed Arab rebel groups in Darfur, a fact you needn’t express to me, a fact that doesn’t remove the reality that Khartoum jointly operates

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                      • 1 January 20:52, by Rommel

                        with the larger and more significant *Arab* janjaweed militia.

                        Ps: I’ll quite simply leave simplistic hokums to you. You’re so very good at it.

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                        • 1 January 21:02, by Rommel

                          Mohammed Ali:

                          Where have I implied that I at all sanction this incursion to Murle territory!? I bought to our attention the case of Darfur, a conflict initially of a similar nature and one that has claimed far more lives than any other tribal conflagaration in South Sudan, over the last 20 years; to deprive you of your disingenious moralistic speeches - paeans on the security situation in North

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                          • 1 January 21:09, by Rommel

                            Sudan and just how blissfully wonderful your predicament is, in relation to our own. This despite the fact that half over a million have recently been displaced in Kordofan and Blue Nile.

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                            • 1 January 22:10, by mohammed ali

                              Rommel,what is meaning of Janjweed?Is it an insult to be moralistic? Well let us not dispute the number of lost of life in Darfur 10 or 100,000 it is all the same; so you know that it started the same , why do you want to follow that path?Mind you the war in Darfur is between government who want openly to topple the government and not a tribe against tribe.When I say I donnot mean you personally

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                              • 1 January 22:19, by mohammed ali

                                I mean the majority are happy to see to tribes supposedly from the same nation extreminating each other.This horrendous and frightining.Imagine this happened between Dinka and Neuer, it will be dooms day! Donnot tell me it is not possible, it quite possible in this enviorment of hatred and bbilligrency.Trust me there is no half a million displaced in BN and SK,life is going normally in there!

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                                • 1 January 22:29, by mohammed ali

                                  Again Rommel nobody can call kill the nuba or kill Darfurian,nobody will dare to.Your defence based on the assumption that Iam happy to what is happening.This not true.That I oppose the SPLA is quite true. They are the root and cause of the problems.I know very closely how their families are living in Australia with the looooted money of these poor pple.Give money them and hope,they will not fight

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                                  • 1 January 22:34, by mohammed ali

                                    I want peace to prevail in both and between both SS & S. In peace we all benifit, in war we all loose. I donnot mind if you call it disingenious moralistic speach!It wont stop me.Peace, and happy new year!

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                              • 1 January 22:51, by Rommel

                                I have sought many sources on the meaning of the word and in doing so, have encountered many distinct translations of this very same word: In one translation, it’s somewhat innocuous, simply translating as "man on horseback with a gun". In another... it translates [rather forebodingly] as "Devils on horseback". I care not which of the two is correct, they’re both true.

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                                • 1 January 23:03, by Rommel

                                  You expounded on the nature of the Darfur conflict almost as if your attempt at clarification could possibly serve to absolve Khartoum and it’s allies [the Janjaweed] of ethnic determined violence. That Khartoum’s anti-surgency program has enlisted and appealed to for assistance from groups who are themselves involved in the conflict, makes this all the more damning!

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                                  • 1 January 23:17, by Rommel

                                    You see we are in this specific case confronted by lethargy and incompetence by Juba. Khartoum on the other hand has been more than proficient in executing ethnic determined violence Vis-à-vis the Janjaweed. This is not merely an issue of indisciplined allies running amok, nor is it even Khartoum’s tacit approval with regard to the excesses of the Janjaweed. It is State policy in every sense.

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                                • 1 January 23:12, by mohammed ali

                                  Rommel, that true, jan " devil" jwad " horse" G3 which was the american gun used before the now famious Klashinikof.This simply tells you Janjweed were thugs from tribes who used to attack villages decades before this government, when we were using American guns!There is no organized millitia called Janjweed.The government did use tribal fighters against the rebells, but they abused their power.

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                                  • 1 January 23:18, by mohammed ali

                                    to settle tribal scores.The step was wrong from the start, the government is resposible for that,this why they accepted to pay compensation.On the other hand the rebells themselves are tribal , JEM is mainly from one clan of Zaghawa and by no means they represent them, They were fighting against Mini who is Zaghwa himself and both represent small fraction.The problem is money and resources...

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                                    • 1 January 23:26, by mohammed ali

                                      It is not true that the Arab tribes " to me they are all Africans" are more privildged, the contrary is true.Most of the Arabs are nomades " Bagara" who follow their cattle up and down.Previldges are avaliable to those in Urban centres.See Khalil" for example" and all his brothers are univercity and have post-graduate.Non-Arab tribes are much well educated because they have the schools, hospitals.

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                                      • 1 January 23:34, by mohammed ali

                                        electricity, communications..etc Of course the government is responsible as long as they couldn’t settle the problem.But there was no ethinic cleansing, genocide and bla..bla. The UN said there is no genocide,the minister of state dept of US said no genocide during his visit to Darfur, 2 weeks later under pressure of the christian right he declared that thereis genocide.This complicated the proble

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                                        • 1 January 23:42, by mohammed ali

                                          as a result in less than a year we had 36 " liberation" competing over for " donations" from different organizations. JEM the most poerful is another story.They want to restore Turabi to power.This why Turabi said " it needs just few hours to solve Darfur problem!"Gadafi had a very big role even before this government, he supplied arms to all factions and all tribes.He was dreaming to detach Darfu

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                                          • 1 January 23:52, by mohammed ali

                                            and rule,the same way he tried in Chad in the 80th.It is not state policy and the minister of defence Ibrahim Sulieman was NON-ARAB Darfurian.He was then governer of Darfur when Al Fashir airport was attacked by JEM.The army itself the single dominante tribe is Fur.Khalil was minister several times, and his brother was the director of AZZA air cargo company which belongs to SAF.

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                                  • 2 January 00:26, by Rommel

                                    The G3 is not an American gun - it’s German. Even if it was, what’s the implied connection!? Do you see now just how insane it is integrating tribal militias in an anti-surgency program, especially when they have involved interest(s)?

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                                    • 2 January 01:08, by Rommel

                                      I am afraid that you have gone off on a bit of a tangent, Mohammed. No one is denying that positions of power were and are unavailable to select individuals from the marginalized peripheries. There has also been no disavowals regarding Turabi’s connections to JEM.

                                      All the tribes in Darfur and Sudan in general, are African. I never use the words "Arabs" and "Africans" in a mutually exclusive

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                                      • 2 January 01:15, by Rommel

                                        context. The point of contention here, is what dispensation does the government afford to Arab and non-Arab tribes. It’s clear that Khartoum has closer ties with ’reliable’ tribes, the Arab tribes.

                                        I made an error in my post prior to this one: I meant to say available, not unavailable.

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                • 2 January 03:39, by SSLA/M Supporter

                  Mr M Ali

                  well, Murle are not fighting with all clans of Nuer tribes! they are fighting with a single Nuer clan called Lou Nuer! They have been doing so for ages! All clans of Nuer will wipe murle out of SS only when SPLA/M mafia try to side with Murle! and that will mark the end of corrupt regime of SPLA/M Mafia in RoSS!

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    • 1 January 11:50, by kimo

      fighting ,insecurity,caoes every where in south sudan..juba itself is not an exception,killings taking place in every corner of it....spla government failled completely to rule.
      during the so called jalaba rgieme all the south was secure...juba had been the most secrued town in east africa..to me slavery under jalaba regieme is far better than what is happening now

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  • 31 December 2011 19:40, by Nguetbuny de Luelpiny

    Murlei should Hand Nuer children over.
    or face being hunt in the bush after Town burndown.
    Lou-Nuer just attack empty Town.
    Lou children are not in town, hunt their children southward in bushes to Boma road.

    Murlei knew well how to hide, they have a big place to hide in their stream forest than in town. Nuer just walk in like elephant that does not know how to hide.

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  • 31 December 2011 23:24, by angelo

    this problem will not end unless the S.Sudan government is able to take control of the tribes. This is not a problem of Jonglei state only, it is a federal(national) problem and the national government should have send soldiers into Murle land long time ago to find those children that have been taken away from Lou-Nuer instead of just trying to stop Lou-Nuer now from attack Murle.

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  • 1 January 00:59, by Kim Deng

    Rommel and likes,

    The Nuer Warriors typically attack a Dinka village at dawn when the cattle are lodged in shelters or tethered near the homesteads. As a result of Nuer Warriors invasions, many Dinka families come into Nuer country to escape hunger and the other attendant miseries to which they have been reduced by constant Nuer raiding/invasion that always leave them cattleless. The Dinka seld

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    • 1 January 01:51, by George Bol

      Kim,

      You can not decide to attack Dinka like the way you do to Murle,other you will never ever forget the consequences in since your death. I am just very sorry on how the SPLM failed to protect the civilians in the Pibor county against the militia of Athor and Tanaginya.

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  • 1 January 01:00, by Kim Deng

    The Dinka seldom offer any concert resistance, but rather sought to escape with as many cattle as possible. Later a counterattack might be undertaken with the aid of reinforcements from other communities. This strategy of initial withdrawal conceded the destruction of the settlement and in harvest season raids, the loss of grain supplies.

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  • 1 January 01:02, by Kim Deng

    The discipline of Nuer forces is also demonstrated by a remarkable capacity of continues to press and assault while sustaining very heavy casualties. When, the Eastern Jikany Nuer Warriors were attacked early in 1912 by a heavy armed Ethiopian force of Gala/Oromo and Amhara, intent on taking slaves, the Nuer lost over 100 men in the course of overrunning the invaders’ machine gun emplacement.

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    • 1 January 21:49, by Wen De David Kuol

      Kim,

      I think your agenda is the hiden one, what effort did the Vice President achieve on his negiotiation with Armed LOu Nuer youth who are advancing to Pibor payams. I know tracing Children that have been abducted by Murle is the easy game, Vice President with his delegation have fail misery to win the mind and the heart of those armed youth.

      WHy wasting money and time of the nation, pls ob

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  • 1 January 01:04, by Kim Deng

    The invaders’ (Ethiopians) mission was not only failed, but also lost over 300 soldiers and 50 missing. The Nuer also made a number of concerted attacks on fortified government posts.

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  • 1 January 01:05, by Kim Deng

    Had the Nuer ever wished to occupy the whole greater Upper Nile, from Renk to Mading Bor and from Ruweng/Biemnom to Buma-Gambella, it seems unlikely that the other coward Jurs (Jaang, Teet, Bar, Chai…) could have stopped them.

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    • 1 January 03:25, by watchdog-alanilson

      Kim Deng Lou nuer with Jieng Duken in 70s but they invaded their and its only one county they have with Apandang in Korbulus and have never win the war being majority does not means you are brave. so stop divise G upper Nile we need unity and stability so we could G Bar el gazal our main enemy

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    • 1 January 05:19, by Rommel

      Kim Deng:

      You rehash the same quotes from the same book, year in and year out. Your pride is based entirely on the circumstances of the past, a century in the past to be precise - on battles you were not involved in, on bravery you did not display!

      You are a war virgin, shut your mouth!

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  • 1 January 04:21, by Cadaai ?o?

    Kim

    We just need peace between the Greater Upper Nile Dinka and the Greater Upper Nile Nuer. Hol Dinka, Nyarweng Dinka, Twic Dinka and Lou Nuer had been in that region for long time without a major problems. For example, Lou Nuer use lots of Hol Dinka, Nyarweng Dinka’s toc during the summer times. Leave out the political movitated issue of the 1990s. Well it was a Nguendeng’s prophecy fulfillment

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    • 1 January 04:50, by splmloyal

      Dear Watchdog and likes,

      Read this story! A husband and his wife went to the market but on the way,they met an handsome guy. Unfortunately, when a woman saw the man in front of her, she approached him and hugged him and give him a big kisses in front her husband. In fact, that situation is similar to your deed.

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  • 1 January 10:30, by mohammed ali

    It is jus amazing! The kigdom of Anarchy!Jubillation, even some are proud of what they are doing now and did in the past.Everybody is talking about his tribe, mainly the big tribes. Small tribes are oppressed, as if they have no right in life.Big tribes are controlling the government and army. Their politician are stealing the money, their tribes kill and destroy smaller tribes.Where is the nation

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    • 1 January 11:45, by Daniel Buolmawei

      Mohammed, please just shut up. I am really sickening of your croddile tears. Arab big tribes have been killing minority African tribes for centuries in North Sudan, and are still killing them in Darfur, Nuba Mountains, Blue Nile and Eastern Sudan, but I have never seen you concerned rather than staying mut without unconcerned mood. I don’ think you can explain to us the reason for massacring------

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      • 1 January 11:52, by Daniel Buolmawei

        African tribes in Sudan since then.

        "January 1, 1956: Sudan becomes independent of condominium rule by Great Britain and Egypt; it will be ruled for the next 55 years by three riverine Arab tribes (the Shaigiyya, Danagla, and Ja’alin)." Eric Reeve

        What’s fair in the statement above that make only the Southern tribes unfair in your eyes? Being hypocrite is not the solution, Mohammed. Be fair.

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        • 1 January 21:00, by mohammed ali

          Daniel, so who is ruling the south now? Was Azhari a riverine tribe, Sadig Al mahadi’s gran gran mother was Dinka,and grand mother was fur.The minister of defence was M. General Ibrahim Suliman he is from " berti" tribe of Darfur.You are no longer a Sudanese N or S and you will never share the suffering of the poor as long as you are enjoying the loooted blood money , the cause of all these wars.

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  • 1 January 11:07, by Benson Gatkech Reath

    Dear all.
    All these words would not help us to bring development or change in our Communities,however to comment on the issues affecting our Country,should not mean to criticize each others or supporting each others,so it’s good that we can comment positively to find out the way that we can solve these problems,as educated people.

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  • 1 January 11:42, by Dengda

    A lesson to be learned here, violent is not solution, let’s those of mule intellectual leant that what goes around come around. Blaming is on Murlei side, for being constantly defiant to peaceful coexistent with nighbour communities and continues attacking, railings and worst of all abducting and killing of women and children. Now it up to government to established peace as Lou Nuer take matter on

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  • 1 January 11:58, by jiengda

    BRAVO!NUER-LOU YOU HAVE MADE IT.MURLE WILL HAVE HEARS NOW TO LISTEN AND START BUILDING PEACE.TIT FOR TAT IS A FAIR GAME, THEY HAVE BEEN DISTURBING US. LET THEM LEARNS A LESSON.

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  • 1 January 13:35, by AUGUSTINO DENG

    Dr.Riek Machar Teny is a problem himself. When he talked to Lou Nuer in order to stop fighting, Dr.Riek Machar did not means to stop Lou Nuer from attacking Murle. What he means is to continue with war. I never trusted Dr.Riek Machar’s politic. Where he always go, the war emerged and people die alot. Now,it is true that Nuer people are the problem.

    By Augustino Deng. Jech la mer from Tharpam.

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    • 1 January 16:32, by lick my ass

      by scrutinizing the comments, i realized how illiterate, barbaric and primitive our people are!. a learned person should not mention anything that causes disunity. thus please stop talking about how superior one tribe is. thanks

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  • 1 January 17:59, by Guandong

    Congratulation to Lou-Nuer youth for your great victory to nonesence Murle for their innocence plan to capture your land, and don’t forget that you are not fighting with Murle but with Arab b/s their Aircraft is always dispatching ammunition and weapons to Murle to capture the land of ssudan. This is so called rearforce to Arab but its their final failure.

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  • 1 January 18:50, by Kim Deng

    Murle,

    The Murle community doesn’t deserve to have cattle at the first place if not because of Nuer mercy. The Nuer Warriors fight like mad dogs when they declare "Kac-lora/Mut." It’s not right or losing lives that matter when waging a war, but victory. Don’t distrub the sleeping Lion, otherwise your life will be in danger.

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  • 1 January 19:18, by Kim Deng

    Lacking the capacity to mount an offensive counterattack, the Dinka, Anyuak, Burun… had no recourse other than withdrawal. Under these circumstances, the rapid Nuer Conquest/occupation of the vast Western Dinka region [Mayom, Mankien…], Southern Dinka region [Nyuong Nuer territory], Central Dinka region [Fangak, Ayod, Waat…], Eastern Dinka, Anyuak and Burun region [Eastern Jikany Nuer and Lou Nuer

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  • 1 January 19:20, by Kim Deng

    There are no recorded instances in which the Dinka succeeded in countering a large-scale Nuer offensive without government assistance, despite the fact that they were issued guns and ammunitions by the government and hold a strong advantage in this respect. The Dinka were evidently incapable of mounting an offensive counteroffensive that would have tied down Nuer forces in defense of home territor

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    • 1 January 19:49, by Rommel

      You’re living entirely in the past, Kim. You consistently quote that book on the past to compensate for the fact that your dreams of tribal hegemony are more than impossible now.
      Your empty mind is preoccupied with fantasies of Nuer hegemony, one in which other tribes are massacred, and the remnants of such tribes, subjugated and dispossessed.

      Quit day dreaming, you fool!

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  • 1 January 19:24, by never

    to those who are concerning about Murile homeland being occupy by lou nuer, why are you guys worry so much about this situation, Murile community can handle it. because murile are the one who caused these disaster from the state of jenglei since the beginning of the new state. so please, let Murile deal with it.present dr Riak can’t help,1991,dr.R want back to khtm and left lou behind withno optin

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  • 1 January 19:44, by Kim Deng

    Rommel and likes,

    The 28th August 1991 Nasir Declaration, which was code-named ‘The Creeping Revolution’ under the then leadership of Dr. Riek Machar Teny-Dhurgon, called for Self-determination for the people of Southern Sudan to determine their political destiny.

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  • 1 January 19:47, by Kim Deng

    As far as Garang knew, the SPLA forces under his commands had every reason to believe that they had upper hand and that they could make it all the way to Nasir. Garang thought that the SPLM/A-Nasir faction under the command of Dr. Riek was very weak, demoralized and incapable of defending its Headquarters, Nasir let alone taking offensive operations.

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  • 1 January 19:48, by Kim Deng

    Shortly after Nasir Declaration of August 28, 1991 was announced, Garang declared, “the Gang of two Drs,” as he prefers to call them [Dr. Riek & Dr. Lam] “must be given their last blow.” He went further, “we will break them down soon, and it is a matter of time before we bring the separatists to the vision of no-return.”

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    • 1 January 20:08, by Rommel

      Your self-congratulatory rant (amusing as it was) regarding the execrable condition of the SPLA in the 1990’s, woefully ignores or fails to take into consideration the tremendously important concurrent events of that time; the devastating lost of the SPLA’s most important source of military supplies and logistics – and the most important factor of all… your alliance with Khartoum,

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      • 1 January 20:10, by Rommel

        an adversary with over a hundred thousand men, accompanied by bombers, jets, helicopter gunships and the tens of thousands of aligned militiamen – both from the North; the PDF and from the South; Matip, Koang and an inexhaustible list of others.But if you wish to indulge in this laughable fantasy in which you somehow inflicted this devastating blow all on your own… be my guest.

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  • 1 January 19:49, by Kim Deng

    Many areas including major towns: Torit, Kapoeta, Mading Bor … were recaptured and/or surrendered to the common enemy as a result of split. The remaining few garrisons and towns under the control of Torit faction were on the verge of panic of evacuation either to Uganda or Kenya refugees camps as well.

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  • 1 January 19:51, by Kim Deng

    Garang’s forces should have been crushed/break down and/or chased up to Kenya/Uganda-Sudan borders if Dr. Riek was for military option rather than reconciliation through peaceful dialogues instead. Garang’s “New Sudan,” vision did not accomplish anything, but setbacks, chaos, death, subjugation by terror and epic conflicts.

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    • 1 January 20:11, by Rommel

      Your self-congratulatory rant (amusing as it was) regarding the execrable condition of the SPLA in the 1990’s, woefully ignores or fails to take into consideration the tremendously important concurrent events of that time; the devastating lost of the SPLA’s most important source of military supplies and logistics – and the most important factor of all… your alliance with Khartoum,

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      • 1 January 20:12, by Rommel

        an adversary with over a hundred thousand men, accompanied by bombers, jets, helicopter gunships and the tens of thousands of aligned militiamen – both from the North; the PDF and from the South; Matip, Koang and an inexhaustible list of others.But if you wish to indulge in this laughable fantasy in which you somehow inflicted this devastating blow all on your own… be my guest.

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  • 2 January 15:05, by Benson Gatkech Reath

    Dear all.
    What has done by Mr.char is how a leader can do to his people,therefore those who are commented saying that Machar has done something wrong to Lou Nuer youth or he has accelerated the fight,is a lierer,these are the people who will die in South Sudan,even a guard ,he would not be able to manage,however evenif he has failed to do so,is not his fault,is the bitter angry from Lou Nuer yout

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