Maguangdit
FIRST I hope, you have read my previous Australian who pretends defend you , in a typical white man hypocritical way of divide to rule
Mr.Austrelian,
Brainwashed...me! Look at yourself, you are in Australia, do you know whose country is this.Does it belong to the white christians.It is only recently in the 21st century the white man and the church appologized to the owners of the land, when it is too late and they were already robbed of their land, history , culture , civilization and even life.
You are really pathetic!Go and read about the history of Australia , when Britain dump it’s children, without their parents, in thousands to increase the number of the white man population and confiscate the land of Original Australians!
Go and see the film The Rabbit Proof Fence , it is a true story and the three ladies were alive until recently.It is about three ladies of an original Australian mother and a white "illigitmate" father.They were snatched from their home and mother , because they had a noble christian white man blood which was supposed not mix with the "dirty" black man blood and this was by LAW!!!! They were forced to stay in the church and were given christian names.But they escaped from their "jail" in the chruch.Here are the links ,you can watch it online or you can order it from Amazon.com.
Watch it and see how inhuman was the white-man church to the original Australians.After that come and talk about brain washing.
http://www.tv-links.eu/movies/Rabbi...
http://www.tv-links.eu/linkview2.ht...
By the way Christianity is not an African religion nor an European religion, it is a middle eastern religion .The original bible was in a sister language to the Arabic language, and Jesus (Peace be upon Him) would never have a picture with European features of white skin, blue eyes and blond hair , he would have black eyes , black hair and a brown skin , what is called middle easter features!
Young man , go and do some readings and come back to talk about Islam and Christianity!
Go and read about African history , Who enslaved Africans for centuries is it the Arab muslims or the White European Cristians, who build Apartheid regimes in South Africa and Rhodesia (Zimbabwi) and elswhere in Africa , is it the Arab muslims or The Christian white-man.
Maguangdit,
First of all let me remind you that when the British imposed their rule in the South ,there was no presence of a northern state or kingdom in the south. Northerners or Arabs or Muslim were not there as a state and certaily not as an Army.They were individuals , normal human beings interacting with other humans in a human way.No Army or any sort of Authority.There was no way or place of imposing anything upon you from us.The British want to stop this and the told you that we are devils and that you could be enslaved!.
Let me qoute you from a book by Mr. Richard Cockett , the African Editor of the Economist in his book about Sudan, on page 38 , he says ( The British only pentrated into sudd in a systemic way after 1904 and it took them about another thirty years to conquer the whole south.However, the colonialist not only found huge differences between the Eqatorial region and the northern desert, they also consciouly sharpened those differences for their own purposes.Their main concern was to shape the south as a sort of religion an cultural bulwark agains the spread of Islam , in order to protect the colonizedChristian terotories to the south( Ugaanda, Kenya today)Thus, for instance, the British encouraged the Christian missionaries to convert the indigenous animist.Education in the north was geared to employment, this was not the case in the south where it was geared to the spread of christianity and the prevention of the southward spread of I slam.
From the end of the First World War, the British therefore initiated a comperhensive, if largely surreptious, policy of creating a southernSudan seperate from the north.English rather than Arabic was made the official language of instructioin in schools.Theuse of Arabic anywhere was actively discouragedand Arab clothing was banned......in the 1920’s most of the Arab merchants, the gallaba, who traded in the main towns of the south such as Juba and Rumbek , were repatriated to the north.The closed District Order of 1922 declared the whole of the south to be off-limits to the northerners unless they had the express permission of the governer.This , together with the expulsion of the gallaba Arabs, effectively severed the south from the commercial and economic life of the rest of Sudan-or anywhere else....
The British were intent anyway on strnagling any chance of development in the south.Arguing against people being given more money for their meager crops of cotton at auction, the British governer of upper nile province wrote with cold blooded clarity in 1928: "To provide means for the present generation to acquire sufficient wealth to enable them to obtain the various luxuries of civilization brings and make it possible for such comparative wealth to be easily gained would , in my opinion, be a mistake." Britain’s general lack of enthusiasm for the south was reflected in their choice of administrators to run the place.As distinct from the Oxbridge ( graduates from oxford and Cambridge) district commissioners swannining around the north, the british who ran the mosquito-infested south were mostly non-pensionable military officers, drisively known as the "bog barons".The nickname say it all about the British disdain for the south in contrst to what they regarded as the sophisticated and romanic Muslim culture of the north!)) this the end of the qoutation!
Just to remind you again , there was no northern , Arab , gallaba or whatever you call us "state" in the south before the British , to impose anything upon you!The British were afraid from the normal interaction in a way of human to human!
Even the british , today cannot defend their policy, you are coming tiday and defend their Racist and inhumane policy! Was the aparthied system in South Africa imposed by the Christian white man , the right way to convience them into Christianity? or was the aparthied system in Rhodesia(Zimbabwi) the best way to ( taught them and convinced them to accept Christianity through their own free wil)or is it now the right thing when black people of Zimbabwi decided to reedem their land stolen by the white man, to get a collective punishment from Christian Europe in the name of Human Rights and Democracy ..and bla..bla...
Southerners living in the north ,came on their own free will and they will not go back to the south.The reason is very simple, they have a better life here! 60,0000 are at the high schools and universities! Will they find that in the pardise of the SPLA , where looting the money of the poor southerners is the norm! They find security , safty and dignity much more than in the SPLA south!
Nobody has the right to condomn me in Islam whether be it is an Imam or clerc.In Islam the Imam is an ordinary man like me and he has no moral or religous authority on individuals, you are responsible directly to God.Imam can be any person and he is not a "holy" person , he is just a human being who can sin like anyother human!
I am not that naieve to belive in propoganda, aginst Islam!
You better check your statistics about Africa!According to southern muslim they constituees 25% of the south, and it is amazing that you repeat the wester propoganda when they say ,"the south which is largly anmist and christian" why not muslim and animist? or Abeyei as the oil rich region! While according to Deng Alor it is producing only 3000 bbd and it is diminishing!This the policy of "divide and rule" whish was used effectively by colonaisers, Arabs mixed with Africans since Ibrahim and Hajar and there is no Sudanese who can say I am pure Arab, we are mainly African some of us mixed with Arabs to a variable degree.
I have no problem with your seperate state at all,.I f this brings peace then why should we wait untill the referendum! We wish you all the best and have the best place in the world and we will be happy for you and happy with what we have, whatever is small or big!
If you are trying to insult me by your story of the toilet ,as I said there is no shame to have any job and your money decently.A job is not an insult!I did clean my toilet alone when I was student in Europe , when I was undergraduate and postgraduate and when I was working there!Now I pay for it , but I do respect those who does this job for me .The only difference between me and them is that I have more money, and by no means they are less humans than me!
If you want me to clean your toilet you have to have to things:
First , you make sure that you have a toilet!
Second , you should able to afford my salary!
Mr.Australian,
So you are a white Australian! Then let me talk properly to you!
Why should you have anything against a useless and futile appology coming after centuries and everything which belongs to the owner of the land has gone forever? Is it going to give the aborgini back their land , culture ,civilization, language or you are telling me they don’t they are too inferior to have their own civilization.
No I am not going to tell you that slavery didn’t exist in Sudan.It did exist in North Sudan and it is still untill now existing in the SOUTH!
But who told you that we are white enslaving black Sudanese?Who told you that we are Arabs? We are mixture of Arabs and Africans and Arabs had mixed with Africans throughout history and all-over Africa , untill the white man came with his supremacy, racism,apartheid and christianity with church’s for the white-man and anothor for the inferior black man!Did you"white christians" allowed your noble christian blood to mix with the infreior "dirty" blood!whether in Africa or Australia?Did you see the Rabbit fence, and how cruel you christians pursiut the young girls and chased them after they scaped from their jail in the church which was supposed to be a house of god!Oh , I have forgotten , you have already generously appologized!
Oh yee you have a tradition ( We Christians have a tradtion of acknowledging our sins and trying to make up for them.) Oh yee , the Red indians are going to get their land , culture, language and they are not going to be pictured as primitive and savage creatures ,also this going to happen with the aborgini after your genorous appology, the one and a half Iraqi aregoing to come to life again after you discovered that Toni Blair and Bush were delibrately lying about WMD , to justify invading Iraq and bombing it the stone age..we should start celebrating from now!!
((The British, by the way, could have just killed all the Sudanese who fought for independence. But they didn’t.)) How generous they were!!! and how arrogant you are!!! They could have just kiled us...Pathetic really pathetic. Who asked them to come in the first place, and why did they come?!They did kill savagely , Lord Kitchener after the end of the battle was shooting the wounded soldiers on the head with his own pistol, just like you do for animals, how merciful you Christians!!
Australia is not the aborginis country , it is the white man country , who owns every thing , the political power , the money, the culture and almost everthing.Where are these aborginies? are they still there? Do you see them? you made them extinct!
We are not foreginers to our land and we will be fine if you just leave us alone.Come to Khartoum and you will see that the church is standing side-by-side with the mosque.There are more than 2.5 millions living in every single town and city of the north in peace and harmony and they will not leave to the south even if the south seceded.
By the way who told you that there no muslims in the south? There may be more than christians.
1- My answer is, would you accept it if I say it belongs to Dinka? of course no, you wouldn’t.The Hague rules that Dinka and "other tribes" has the right to vote, other tribes could include the Messeria . Having said that , I agree that a mutual and amicable solution is still possible.War is not a solution, some of Gration and Mbeiki proposals could be acceptable. See my posting.
2- same as above.
3-Maban and all the funj tribes belong to the North and they were the basis of the recent Sudan.Sennar Sultanata was the Islamic successor of soba christian Nubian state. They were not Arabs, but they were muslims.They are against secession ; Agaar clearly stated that he is against secession! The Nubians are the basis of Sudan , most of north and central Sudan are ethenically Nubians..Korti , Shendi,Merowi ,Tangasi, Alti,Kosti , Tandalti, Tutti,Burri,Kadogli, Talodi, Kalogi,Wawisi...etc see the rhythm which ends with ee" i" all are Nubian names for different towns and city from north and central Sudan!More-over they are against secession. Thaba Butrus is campaigining for unity!
To be fair you should ask your government to stop supporting Darfuri rebels.Saying that Menni Arkawi is as the right of all Sudanese to be anywhere in Sudan as the South is still part of Sudan sounds very hypocritical. He is fighting the central government and you know it , the Americans had warned you, in his recent visit the minister of foregin affairs of Austeria had warned you.Refusing to demarcate the borders is dangerous and is a potential recipe for war.Calling for soft borders as Machar is calling is very good, but this should happen after demarcation.
The ill-wishes from many southerners is also not helping and is not good even for you, hatred wiil never ever succede.We never wish you bad, the war was between the army and the rebells , millions were taking refuge in the north and were never affected by the war.Today there are 60,000 students in different high schools and universities,much more than those in the South, nobody is bothering them!This will continue even after secession.
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