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Bashir rules out dual citizenship for Southerners

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January 7, 2011 (KHARTOUM) – The Sudanese president Omer Hassan Al-Bashir on Friday made it clear that there is no prospect for Southerners living in the North to have dual citizenship if the referendum vote comes in favor of creating a new state.

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A girl from Wau, a town in southern Sudan, sits with her belongings as she waits for the Government of southern Sudan (GOSS) to transport her back before the secession referendum, in Mayo, 25 km (15 miles) south of Khartoum January 4, 2011 (Reuters)

The oil-producing south is due to vote in a referendum starting on Sunday on whether to secede. Voters are widely expected to back secession.

“Of course, to be very frank self determination is deciding on the fate of Sudan….it is not self determination for the South…..shall it be one state or two states. This right was given exclusively to the Southern citizen,” Bashir told the Doha-based Al-Jazeera TV in an interview.

“If they [Southerners] decide to divide Sudan into two states and establishing their own country in South Sudan and at the same time want to retain their citizenship in North Sudan and enjoy all the rights…if this is their desire then let Sudan remain united” he added.

The Sudanese leader it is “illogical” for Southerners to call for creation of their own state seek citizenship rights in the North at the same time.

“They [Southerners] claim that they were marginalized, we were second class citizens. [So we say] in order for you not to be marginalized and second class citizen there is no reason for you to have the nationality of a country that is marginalizing you,” Bashir said.

He further said that Southerners who he said account for 20% of civil service in the North will have to be laid off but stressed that they will receive “their full rights”.

“The Northern citizen will not accept to see Southerners occupying 20% of the civil service at a time when they were the ones who split Sudan,” Bashir said.

“So we are not talking about dual citizenship. On our end we say this is out of question,” the Sudanese president added.

Bashir said however that an arrangement should be implemented that entails granting citizens of the North and South rights of work, residency, ownership and visa-free entry on both sides.

Asked whether Southerners will be treated like foreigners with certain rights after secession his response was “Yes”.

The Sudanese president said an idea that IS currently explored is establishing an accord that governs relations between the two states on a number of crucial areas.

“As two authorities in the North and the South are required to maintain the [special] relationship and institutionalize it…..through agreements, maybe laws and even a constitution that would amplify the benefits in the relationship that exists between the two sides,” he said.

"We are not speaking now about joint defense. But there are now discussions about establishing a union between two partners to look for joint interests in security and economics and development like the European Union," he said.

On Thursday, Sudan’s former vice president Joseph Lagu said that north and South need a common authority to coordinate political and economic issues after secession.

"For me I have proposed a kind of common Sudanese authority to link the south and the north together," Lagu, a southerner and an adviser to South Sudan’s President Silva Kiir, said.

"Presidents of south Sudan and north Sudan, their foreign ministers, their interior and defence ministers (should) hold periodical meetings ... to continue to iron out any minor problems and to emphasize on issues that are common to us so that our two countries can ...forge ahead."

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  • 8 January 2011 08:12, by Tobiin

    It is up to those southerners living in dusty mad of the north. It is not even comparable with the south which has a nice atmosphere. I urge all of you to come back home without any intimidation from your friends in the north.

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    • 8 January 2011 08:48, by landlord

      good for you bashir because any one who need his or her right don’t have right to have the same citizenship anymore.
      But in this case southerners who are now in the north must leave north and came back to south for good or they world will see this as a luck of good leadership in the south

      Came back to this usless stupid coward son of bitch of equatoria so called logu or evil who sold south sudan for pussy what do we need from the north as he stupidly said?

      Don’t came back with your cowardic of fear to death a bout arabe death to you old creature
      No room for nyagat to make our right,

      I don’t like that foolsh dead man
      I m caming for cowardic people now

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      • 8 January 2011 14:33, by Truth Sets Free

        Landlord and your likes cannot reduce intelectuals in this website to your shallow level of reasoning. You and your likes could be educated but are never learnt. I pitty your condition brothers.

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      • 8 January 2011 21:26, by Paul Ongee

        Peter Mading, Nhomlawda and the likes,

        Keep up. NCP and its Islamic fundamentalists were forced by both internal and external factors for the sake of peace and full recognition of the rights and dignity of Southerners and the other two marginalized areas (Nuba Mountains and Southern Blue Nile) to sign the historic CPA of 2005. It was not a donation or political will of NCP and its associates.

        KPA is trashed right after signing. Omer Al-Bashir knows more about it than the Southerners who had no vision of pursuing the aspiration of Southerners signed it and later returned to the main stream. It makes no sense to talk about it.

        There is a difference between leaders who rush to get things done for prominence without vision and those who have vision but determined to remove obstacles step by step to achieve a political goal no matter how long it will take. In other words, a leader should be able to create sensible conditions to guarantee the achievable goal for his people. Khartoum knew why it signed it (although signed in Khartoum descrbing it as Allah Jaabu) and failed to implement it since there are no any guarantors, regional and international pressure .

        Those ruling elite of Sudanese black Arabs who claim to be racially and religiously superior to other Sudanese of African origin are one of the most ignorant elite I have ever shared a country with. The removal of that kind of mindset is already underway beginning with the recognition of the results of the referendum of tomorrow Sunday January 9, 2011. It is not simply the end of a long walk to freedom for Southerners but just a beginning of another journey of phased freedom of walk for the whole country. Otherwise we will be living with the enemy of peace next door.

        As I have mentioned repeatedly in some of my previous comments that Northern Sudan will never be governed on the basis of Sharia law following January 9, 2011. Period. If the effect of separation of South from North is not yet fully felt by the ruling elite, what about the remaining parts of the North which will soon follow suit?

        I agree with the comment of Mohammed Ali who just saw the truth yesterday since 1956 that NCP (and the previous regimes) didn’t and does not have a political vision of keeping Sudan united on the basis of equality, justice, and progress. They are blinded by the insistent application of Sharia law and abuse of Islam that keep the country disintegrating.

        Sudanese Arabs need to learn another lesson of rejecting cultural diversity and orchestrating consistent marginalization that they have never learned before. Now the choice is theirs to be good, faithful, reliable and trusted neighbor at all times or not.

        Paul Ongee
        Khartoum, Sudan

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    • 8 January 2011 08:51, by Peter Mading

      Mr. Bashir is getting crazy. What was your mission on the 4th January 2011 to Juba. What did you promise Southerners? You seemed to be crazy and very soon you will run mad and escape to seek asylum in Arab-Islamic world that favor injustice.

      All southerners are aware that you are in deep pressure. The pressure from the International Community who wanted you to apply Justice to Sudanese and surrunder yourself to the ICC, the Southern Sudanese who want their rights for Self-Determination, Darfurian want their rights and your Muslim Arabs wanted you to step down if you led Southerners to go and decide their Destiny.

      These Southerners whom you think may want dual citizenship in the North is just your dream.

      Very soon Mr. Bashir you will regrete. Remember that your advisers in the North will not led their sons be recurited and armed to fight the Southerners. This fight will be "Red Vs Black".

      Go back to History of Arab Invasion to Sudan. If you insist; than Southerners- the Black African will still pursue you in Courts and you will lose citizenship of the Northern Sudan. Sudan was not your home origin. You were refugees in that Desert. Please; Please keep your promise. The International Community was almost to appreciate you and want to lift Sudan from Sanctions.

      Do not behave like a dog. You are a long live dictator president of Sudan for the 21 years from June 30 1989- Up to now. Why do you like problems?

      Please it is time to have wisedom to Save Sudan from further Division. Do n’t you see that Darfur is going away too? May be you are belind and you are deaf.

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    • 8 January 2011 12:40, by CHUOL RUEI

      I really thanks Bashrir to alert those of southerners who are still living and having hope to stay in desert areas north sudan where the rain comes once ayear compared to green fertile siol of south sudan. It would be good you southerners not to think to have dual citezen. Already our counterpart loose hope that was why president Bashire having a heartbeat touching every points and he has confirmed that south has gone already.
      by Chuol Nyatay

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    • 10 January 2011 04:34, by Young Nation

      Citizenship!

      If the President of North Sudan Omar Hassan had rejected the idea of dual citizenship to the people of Southern Sudan, then the government in the South would adopt similar treatement of Northerners in the South. But again, who need who in the two Sudans? I think Northerners would desire to settle in the South than Southerners settling in the North especially when it come to the issue of economic prosperity.

      My advice to South Sudan government official is that the political relationship between North and South Sudan must be based on an eye for an eye policy. Northerners must not be allowed to play with our minds especially after South Sudan is going to become an independent entity with the next few days if not weeks.

      Young Nation is a graduate of International Relations and a student of Master of International Law at Sydney University, Australia

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  • 8 January 2011 08:29, by Facts Check

    I am 100% in agreement with you President Bashir. Southeners in the north need to choose to be Southners and move to the South or remain as foreiners in the North. Or they should choose to become Northerners by nationality. I have my younger brother in the USA and he too will have to decide which nation he belongs to for legal perposes.

    May God Almighty keep His promise to the people of South Sudan by allowing peace to fill our country as we break apart.

    Darfuris need to move back to Darfur and stop weaning! We will support when they are on their needs. We can not entertain them blood suckers of South Sudanese. Please don’t tell me your nonsense (I have noticed that most of the people here are from the Diaspora and have never been to Sudan since 1987...what a shame!).

    Please Vote and don’t support Lualdit (mr. Biar, Lual Achueik junior).

    Thank you

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  • 8 January 2011 08:43, by Manyieldit

    Mr. Bashir is right and correct in this article. His statement of not granting Southerners a dual citizenship in completely right. We (The Southerners) Why do we confuse the world? we fought for more then 5o years in search for freedom and be free from Marginalization from the north, why do we compliant about the dual citizenship? isn’t the north we claimed to have marginalized us that want to be a citizen there again? Those who think that they need to remain in united Sudan should later apply for citizenship in the north like any other foreigner who want to be a citizen of other country, lets not bring things which are contrary to the ideas of the entire South Sudanese. Some comments like the one of Hopeless former rebel leader (Joseph Lagu) are bogus and lack credibility at all. how come he proposed for the South to have common political and economic system with north whom he claimed to have not been honest in sharing the resources equally? If Mr. Lagu have less experience of managing the South as he failed let him keep quiet and leave the SPLM and the people of South Sudan to Managed the government of their own. all people of South Sudan except Joseph Lagu are capable of been alone and have viable state. Shame on u uncle Lagu u have wasted ur time to be alive if u re still thinking in same way u spoil Any Any 1 and divided (kokoro) the South.

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  • 8 January 2011 08:43, by omoni Atari

    examination fever is at the door,
    According to my opinion we southerers dont need any dual citizenship with setllers. we need passport in order to cross north sudan for our own safety.
    20% of southerners working in the north sudan,MR, President,dont ever lying to us like that.

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    • 8 January 2011 09:01, by landlord

      omonio de otario son tell your coward uncle logu to stay a way from the SPLA!m
      He is walthless in sudan after he sold out south for just pussy what stupid coward human
      Death to him
      What do we need from north? Shame on his life

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      • 8 January 2011 09:33, by marie

        To make records straight, Lagu did a lot to the South. All the top officers in the SPLA were trained by the Anya Anya before joining the Sudan Army after the Adisababa agreement. The real traitor of the people of the South is Abel Alier who ruled the South from 1972-1978 and again in 1980. Abel employed tribalism and corruption during his time which prompted the masses for the famous Kokora. Abel did a lot of bad things to members of the Anya anya that forced Lagu to join politics. Lagu was in the army and ruled only for one year from 1979-1980. SPLM had learned from that mistake, that is why they did not give key positions to people who were not in the movement

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  • 8 January 2011 08:51, by Marco A. Wek

    You are right, those who still want to stay in dusty city where they were not treat well under united Sudan have to answer that themselves given the fact their Southern state governments provided them transportation to go back to their new nation.

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  • 8 January 2011 08:57, by Deng Ateny Lueth

    I’m really sorry, Bashir came to Juba and deliver his very eloquential message to southerners who wellcome him at juba airport as if the present returned home from international trip. when he backed to khartoum,Bashir was possessed again by his usual ill behavior. on his reaching the north, Bashir made it clear to southerners in the north that, you southerners living in the north will catch hell should your brothers in the south choose to go separate way from the rest of sudan.indeed my heart is broken to see our little girl contemplating. she starred the sky in long rang of thinking as if she knew about the past. instead she could have been united with the rest of her relatives in south sudan already, her parents acted in defiance to the holistic call for separation made very months by our youths and parents in south sudan long before time immature.

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  • 8 January 2011 09:13, by Mach Achiek

    Dear Readers,

    President Bashir is right, you cant be both a Southern citizen and a Northern citizen as well. The truth need to be told. The SPLM should instead negotiate a time frame to relocate all its Southern citizens.

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  • 8 January 2011 09:34, by Joseph

    Dear Southerners

    Joseph Lagu should not open his dirty mouth on South-North conflict again. He failed to address problems of [Junubins] in 1970s.Just eat and keep quite or stays away on south – north problems.

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    • 8 January 2011 09:59, by Chuker

      Despite snow forcast, Iam heading to mid-west to vote for freedom brought to us by our Hero Dr. Riek Machar Teny.
      check the link here please: http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Hornet/sd_machar.html

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      • 8 January 2011 10:21, by Nhomlawda

        Chuker and Nuer traitors,
        You have repeated praising this useless leader called Riek Machar.
        You guys are doing the same mistake some Nuer and Shilluk army officers did in 1991 by supporting an imprudent visionless leader called Riek Machar.
        Riek Machar brought more disaster to Nuer in his 1991 coup attempt against Dr. John Garang and you guys are still supporting him to bring more disasters to your community. He brought lost of lives to Nuer youths and Dinka Bor civilians and SPLA for believing in useless prophet promises of a left-handed unmarked Nuer leader ruling South Sudan in unknown period in history. Riek Machar had made all Nuer communities to lose their prides as liberators of South Sudan to be well known traitors and visionless community.
        Riek Machar gravely failed to control Nuer militias under his leadership and all Nuer militias officers became generals over night without soldiers and without knowing rules of engagement in military operations and without even knowing how to write their names leave alone communicating with communities they are based and outside world.
        The liberation war had been about seperation of South Sudan but the model of reaching that goal was the main difference between imprudent visionless Riek Machar and wise visionary John Garang.
        Riek Machar was used by Lam Akol to implement his agenda of bringing Dinka and Nuer into war so that their political influence is reduced by reducing their population sizes so that union of manority tribes in South Sudan can triumph to power. Foolishly Riek Machar did not know the intention of Lam Akol and mobilized his foolish and illiterate majority to attack Dinka civilians that resulted in the death of more than 20,000 mainly civilians. There was no single Shilluk in Riek Machar and his SPLA Nasir faction operations against John Garang and SPLA/M Mainstream though Lam Akol was a senior member of his SPLA Nasir faction. After Lam’s objective was achieved, he denounced foolish majority visionless leader as genocidal and they departed their ways because Lam objective of bringing Nuer and Dinka into everlasting enemy was achieved.

        I hope Riek Machar had learnt from John Garang and I hope he will behave well and be loyal to Salva Kiir, South Sudan and any other Southern leader who will lead South Sudan after Kiir if Riek Machar will be around by that time.
        There is no chance for Riek to be a leader in South Sudan beyond the position he is in now and Nuer should stop crushing old wounds by supporting this visionless leader.

        He is the vice president of GOSS and if GOSS is accused of mismanagement than Riek Machar is at the heart of that government and therefore share responsibility for mistakes that government makes. Therefore, no hope for him any more.
        Check this website http://www.sudanupdate.org/HISTORY/chron.htm on seperation proposal by Dr. John Garang when Riek Machar was busy handling infighting in his SPLA - Nasir Faction.

        Please you guys need to think this time around. You need to engage in making money so that you can enjoy your lives in a free country but not supporting leaders who can not sell through to the top leadership of becoming a leader of South Sudan.

        There is no difference between Riek Machar and LRA leader Joseph Konyi. They are all imprudent visionless leaders who believe in cult and satanic ghost. God will never make them to triumph to power in a country that glorifies His Mighty Name.

        Nhomlawda Ranchol

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        • 8 January 2011 18:36, by Chuker

          Hahaha, the world know who work behind the scene to bring freedom to our new country. even many southerners know that Dr. Riek Machar is a one who convinced Dictator John Garang to put off his useless vision of New Sudan. What happen with New Sudan vision? I don’t hear from you guys saying New Sudan oyee any more. hahaha, come back to south Sudan visionless people.

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          • 9 January 2011 10:09, by Biggy K

            Fuck Riek, fuck Nuer. You are all traitors!!!

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      • 8 January 2011 10:59, by landlord

        look @this dumy nuer nyagat
        What freedom dose the wicked doom evil nassir gang leader brought to us or you mean the messes that he brought during the war? Or you are trying to write his histor? Shame on you poor boy.
        Calling risky de machar teny dhurdog as a preson whom brought freedom is like name a baby after the vip preson but he is not,

        Just one more wards him risky de macim is a criminal that is wanted in south sudan and samewere
        No body like him apart from english whor that he murdefed. Death to him

        Event nuer themsevies don’t like him as he is nuer with no future.
        He is just a symbol of death in nuer comunity.
        Death to him nyagat

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        • 8 January 2011 18:38, by Chuker

          cool down jackass,

          Hahaha, the world know Dr. Riek Machar is a man who work behind the scene to bring freedom to our new country. even many southerners know that Dr. Riek Machar is a one who convinced Dictator John Garang to put off his useless vision of New Sudan. What happen with New Sudan vision? I don’t hear from you guys saying New Sudan oyee any more. hahaha, come back to south Sudan visionless people.

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      • 8 January 2011 12:17, by Mwalimu

        To Chuker,Nhomwalda and Landlord
        What is wrong with you people? I am tired reading your radical views in this website.Why keep preaching this cultural virus so called "tribalism" on daily basis? What kind of benefits are you people getting out of it? As it manifested in your writing, you guys are very highly educated. If that assumption is true, then why don’t you people stop preaching this backwardness and invest the education that our lovely nation has invested in you for the nation building?

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        • 8 January 2011 14:08, by Nhomlawda

          Mwalimu,

          Your name sounds like you are from East Affrica especially Kenya or Tanzania or being educated from there. When Raila Odinga won election in 2007 in Kenya; he was categorically denied the opportunity to lead Kenya because most of the Luos during Kenya war of liberation were sympathizers and collaborators of the colonial regime which was not so brutal like SAF and NCP regime.
          If Kenya is still bitter on acts committed 47 years ago and with the resources and educated people that country has, what do you think about us trying to prevent support for somebody who had masacred more than 20,000 innocent civilians in less two months in 1991.
          We are not against anybody from any community who wants to enjoy his life in a free country but we are against rewarding devils who had contributed negatively to our communities and liberation. Riek Machar, Lam Akol and their associates collaborated with a brutal enemy (SAF and NIF/NCP) at the time we (SPLA/M) were seriously in need of support and unity among Southerners. Therefore, if you were in those battles seeing your friends and brothers being killed by Riek and Lam soldiers motivated by deceits and satanic promises of resurrection in Nuer land after they die in Dinka land. All these deceits were orchestrated to incite illiterate Nuer youths against innocent Dinka civilians by some two individuals (Riek and Lam) with PhDs from British universities; surely how will you feel when they are not acknowledging the mistakes and still want to cause more chaos.
          We can forgive all other nyagats (rebels) but not Riek Machar and Lam Akol for the disaster they had brought to Dinka and Nuer communities is immense and unforgiveable.

          Paulino Matip Nhial is a good nyagat leader, He had decided from the beginning not to join or support SPLA/M and southern Sudanese cause and instead support the enemy (SAF and NCP). Therefore, I call him a good nyagat leader because he had taken side and consistent in the war supporting Arabs and he had not confused his people to move from one side to the other and from the other to the previous one. Riek and Lam did incite innocent people to kill themselves and after they had caused immense suffering to Nuer and Dinka communities, they joined the Arabs and went to Khartoum and signed oil production with the north so that north can buy more sophisticated weaponry and hire more majihadeens from Iran, Iraq, Afghanstan, and other arab countries to defeat SPLA. Furthermore, both Nuer and Dinka communities are now being poisoned by oil pollution without a little compensation for the land lost, human health and environmental disasters brought by oil production in those areas and that suffering was caused by Riek and Lam work. NCP government paid them (Riek and Lam) huge money to sign oil production without ensuring protection of lives, environment and economic interest of the people who live in oil fields, leave alone the interest of South Sudan. Innocent Dinka and Nuer children are drowning in unprotected water reserviors created by oil production in those areas on daily basis. Grazing land and rivers for fishing are polluted by oil companies who are operating freely without caring for where they get resources from, all these immense sufferings are being experienced because of Riek and Lam visionless act and aims.
          After they had strength the enemy resources and military capabilities, they were sidelined and were about to be killed when they ran to Nairobi to join Dr. John Garang. Therefore, Mwalimu, read the history of struggle first before you begin to take side on this deep feeling of betrayal on our struggle and communities (Nuer and Dinka).
          We can not just forget their (Riek and Lam) disasters over night. It will take time to go away but not soon and not in a century to come.

          Nhomlawda Ranchol

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  • 8 January 2011 10:05, by Rev John Khamis Kamunde

    Cool down brothers,let us just advice our fellow South-Sudanese to come home to the promised land.
    I wan’t all of you to read the book of Exodus Chap.13:17-18.
    The reason that made God not to take the Israelite by a short path was because he did not want them to return back to Egypt.
    So he took them through a wildernes in the long way of desrt so that no one will think of retuning back to Egypt.

    That is why all the Israelites left Egypt with all their children,old people,and even their animals.
    My dear peole of God stop insulting each other,stop mentioning your tribes,stop uncivilized ways of addressing your names,I am not even happy the way you People post yuor names on this web,You hide your names because of the evil ways of expresing your self.

    Let us write our real names and contributes towards the success of our new nation the Southern Sudan.
    My dear fellow South Sudanese,we must make sure what our writings help the present generation,and our future generation also.
    We can’t write our names which motivate Tribalism among us,and also let us stop mentioning tribes direct on somebody.
    For-example my name is John Kamunde,my name is not Equatoria,my friend’name is Kual Atem,his name is not Dinka or Jonglei.

    If we want to be united in Southern Sudan,let us bear our true names,and have one tribe of course the Southern Sudan.
    Remember Jesus our Lord pray for his followers so that they remain one as he is one with his father God(John 17:20)

    For Bashir please you must know the nature of arabs is to tell lies,don’t believe what he says in Juba is realy what is in his heart.
    All of you knew how many words the arabs regime in Khartoum says,and denied.
    Even CPA,they said it is only a paper not quruan,so they thought of dishonoured it but our government in the South was very very strong that they can’t temper to shake them.

    Finaly my dear fellow South-Sudanese:May God Almighty gives us the spirit of unity among our selves,respect,love so that we may prosper in our new nation thanks.

    Rev John Kamunde.
    john_kamundek@yahoo.com
    0955444890.

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    • 8 January 2011 10:25, by Nhomlawda

      Bashir is right and I support him 100%.

      It will be a window of opportunity to expel all northerners doing business in Juba and all over South Sudan so that our people begin to be in charge of their retail businesses.

      Bye bye northerners.

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    • 8 January 2011 10:33, by jur_likang_a_ likan’g

      It is completely illogical for any Southerner to claim dual citizenship for two emerging nations. Southerners should vy to build their own nation and reject to have love for their oppressor’s nation. Those people who want to retain North Sudan citizenship could be Jallaba maids or house boys. They should permanently forget South Sudan to retain their positions. Beshir is right for his comments. Lagu should have a break on political issues. He failed in the sixties and therefore leave his grand children build a conducive home for him to live in the new nation. We have nothing we need from the north other diplomatic or ambassadorial relationship. The things we used to get from the North can be obtained elsewhere. Bye.

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  • 8 January 2011 10:25, by AUGUSTINO DENG

    In fact, "Omar Beshir is beating the bush" What does dual Citizenships have to do with Southern Sudanese who are living in Khartoum? Did Omar Beshir think that Southern Sudanese people carried out Arms for the Dual Citizenship or what? What Omar Beshir doesn’t know is that Southern Sudanese people were not fighting for the matter of Dual Citizenships as he had described. Our objectives we the Southern Sudanese people is to change the system of Khartoum Government and bring what is call the "Right of Individual" which mean on the other hand, the right to do your own thing without an obligation or without somebody to force you. This right is not just entitled for Southern Sudanese people only, but for the whole people in Sudan who always dream for "Democracy".

    As a matter of fact, we Southerners don’t need you anymore Mr Omar Beshir. We are fate up about your ruling since you took the office on June 30,1989 until this time nothing had get into some sort of solution or an end. Everything still the same. So, whether you want or not, Southern Sudanese are already free to go and governed themselves. Remain there in Khartoum with your fucken Sharia law or Kisira law.

    By Augustino Deng. Jech la mer from Tharpam.

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  • 8 January 2011 11:56, by Freedom Fighta

    You see, people like Joseph lagu , are ubsolutly influenced by the NCP and they should never be allowed to be at any high level job, anything to do with the south government they should never be allowed to be part of it, yes they quite the NCP and they might be experienced. the question is what took them to join the NCP the firSt place, they betrayed the people of south Sudan In the time of the struggle. And now they come back with bad politics and for sure they will bring confusion in the south. Thats why I suggest the government of South Sudan to not allow any ex NCP or Ex Political party member to joining in the south Sudan parliament regardless of their experience.

    Jospeph showed a very good example of the ex NCP politics is dragging
    as into some sort of ties with north, and it is very clear that we are a new country, we have nothing to do with north, we consider north as Egypt, Libya or any other country, we can only have Trade ties and that’s all.

    I’m so amazed how the northerners think we the southerners can be their
    friends straight away after the referendum, they think we forgot about our loved once whom were killed by them during the war. People remember
    we lost 2.5 million people or more, it’s nothing to forget in one day. I’m proud to be a southerner and I will not even travel to north. Yes it’s always hard In the beginning but it will be better after.

    Wake my people, don’t be decieved by the sleepless dog.
    Give us 5 years and then see how south Sudan looks like. Bashir enlighten with your intimidations we are done with north.

    God bless South Sudan. In the name of our Lrod and Gpd Jesus Christ.

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  • 8 January 2011 13:04, by Maguangdit

    Read and watch what this criminal said soon after returning to Khartoum.
    Read what this criminal said to Aljazeera about Abyei, Southern Sudan and Southern Sudanese.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12141520

    Read and then watch the video from these links below.
    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/01/2011171839053529.html

    http://english.aljazeera.net/video/africa/2011/01/20111813021324463.html

    Guys,
    We don`t need a dual citizenship. They will regret it later on. In fact, these lies are threats to force Southerners in the North Sudan to vote for unity. It is quite clear already that Al-Bashiir has curbed media to suppress or harass Southerners to vote for unity against their wills.

    Undoubtedly, we want every Southerner in Northern Sudan to return to Southern Sudan. The Arabs and the Africans this time will face a complicated problems-all of you know what that is. Bashiir is now has two choices: Either to prevent secession or face subversion from within from Islamist groups in the North Sudan!

    Caution to the Arabs-the Arabs need to learn one thing: Calling us incapable of governing ourselves overly adds to an insult that motivated our secession now. It is a serious insult and this is why we must vote to secede and if we can not secede by ballots, we must still secede by bullets.

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    • 8 January 2011 14:22, by mohammed ali

      Maguangdit,

      You people living outside Sudan you donnot feell the pain of the ordinary people of the South.Southerners in the north donnot want to go back because they know the facts, you donnot.They have been intimidated by the SPLA not to register or vote for unity , this happened in the south as well.Some of them might not want unity, but they donnot the SPLA and that is for sure, because for thme they are worst than the gallaba!

      South was completely free for the last 5 years, the SPLA is sharing the power in the North and southerners getting 20% of the central government jobs.Now you people sitting miles away, you want 2.5 millions to go with no jobs , schools, shelter or security ; just to quench your hatred!

      The fact is that your leaders in the SPLA in the post-referundum arrangment are calling for dual citizentship, which is rediculous! Well... it is not rediculous for them when you see them loooooooooooting and looooooooting and they donnot want to see somebody sharing with them!

      My heart goes with the small children who left their schools and play mates for a place which they have never seen before and an unknown future!

      It is always easy to blame the Arabs and to show that you hate us..the gallaba, mandicoro arabs or whatever you calls! Just like an ornament or ordinal for heroism.

      It is not that we said you can’t govern yourselves, and we donnot agree with this racial ststement made by the white-man that African can not rule themselves.It is them , your best friends are saying so..HERE IS THE LINK:

      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/a-failed-state-before-its-born-inside-the-capital-of-the-worlds-next-nation-2178075.html

      This an article published on the 7th of this January!

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      • 8 January 2011 17:22, by omoni Atari

        Brother Mahamed,

        You might be right in your opinions and experiences you see down there,the children who will leave the school and their mates for south sudan will not be affected in any situations rather than more happy to feel at home. i used lived in Ethiopia Refugee camp and i was not feeling well,just like them living in khartoum Refugee camp.
        Even me i have very many friens from Nubians,and i know am going to missed them badly as well as they miss me too.
        That is why we need peace from both sides south and north.
        One of my friends from Nuba married a lady from East Equatoria ,he got children and now he said he is not gonna go back to kartoum or Nuba mountain.

        so is up Omar Al QEADA Bashir carry his duties on.
        According to me I do reject the idea of dual citizenship.
        Peace and cheers,
        am going to the polling station and organize my staff.

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      • 8 January 2011 17:49, by James Garang

        Mohammed you are a lier there is no bad thing that the southerners who are living in the north know from their brothers in the southern sudan and spla were not intimidated southerners not to registered.

        The Southerners are do good development within those 5 years that you are talking about but when Arab control southern there is no development like the development of 5 years.and also I tell you that there is no 2.5 millions who will going to loose their job if we separate from north. what I know and is true 5 millions of northerners will really going to loose their jobs after separation not southerners.

        And also the case of citizenship is not a problem the only problem we do not want sharing power with you again so for me I do not want those southerners to stay in north sudan and we do not want northerners to stay also in the south. and for the case of looting as you are trying to acussing our leaders is nothing their is no looting which our leaders are done and you arabs you are really people who have no a shame totally.

        please tell me the 9 billions of U.S.D which has been taken by your leader Omer Hassan el Bashir to UK Bank is it a looooooooooooting or not loooooooooooooting?

        conclusion I do not want citizenship between you northerners and we southerners period.

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        • 8 January 2011 19:15, by mohammed ali

          Garang,

          The fact there are millions in the north not willing to go to the south and the vast majority didn’t even registered tell you manythings.In the south the supporters of unity said it clearly that they have been intimidated and threatened stright ahead on the open air! They said if we put any poster to call for unity it will disappear within minutes and they were asking if we are a minority why don’t they let us stage a rally or a demonistration to support unity so that they can see what a minority we are?

          However , seperation is de-facto now in the south and it is there for the last 5 years.We wish you all the best.

          This does not mean that the Spla is doing well in the South and I have shown you the link and what they were saying about loooooooting .It is a fact and I donnot see a reason to deny it unless you benifit out of it! Your minister of finance said that there are $ 2 Billions not accounted for just last year and I presume that he is not a jallaba like me! and a lier like me!

          I sincerely wish that there is real development in the South, that wont harm, it will make me happy.

          I have seen the wiki-leak about the $ 9 billions,it was cable from Ocampo to an American diplomte claiming that Ocampo has got information that Albasheer has such money in Nat-West Bank in London.That was confirmed not to be true by the Americans and denied by Nat-West bank.Ocampo said clearly in his cable he wants to smear Alabshear so as to creat unstability in the Sudan to overthrow the government!It is so stupid to think that Albasheer could have money in a country where he could not go!

          It is easy to call names , but that will not make your argument stronger!

          Omni,

          I remember you said you have never been to Khartoum. It worth while to ask yourself an honest question, why southerners are still living there, while the vast majority of them live in a very miserable condition?They must have a good reason.

          Children donnot know colour or race and they donnot have the complxity we have, this why for them it is going to shocking and traumating! They will keep asking why for years to come!

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          • 9 January 2011 08:04, by Marco A. Wek

            Mohamed Ali, lies will always stay lies and will change any equation. Give up and wait for what is going to happen in the North starting from the day the results of Southern independent will be announced. You have already heard from finance minister and from your president Omar Hassan that cuts and more cuts to come as a result of South breaking away. Omar Bashir even said there is going to be 50 % salary cut from government employees and if that is going to include the army then, I am afraid Darfur rebels will take contol of towns and cities in Western Sudan sooner than latter.

            As for your claim of Southern Sudanese refusing to go to the South in millions, I do not know where these millions are coming when Southerners have been filling bus stations daily on their route to their young country. Do you think they will still stay when Bashir said it loud and clear that Souther living in the North WILL NOT ENJOY ANY CITIZENSHIPS ONCE SOUTH VOTES FOR INDEPENDENCE. And don’t you Southerners in the North did hear when your minister said Southerners will get even a NEEDLE FROM THE HOSPITAL OR ANY JOB ONCE SOUTH VOTES FOR INDEPENDENCE? What do you think liar of the millions Southerners that will be deprive of treatment when they are sick and at the same time could not find any job so that they could feed themselves and their young once? The answer will be if those millions, they exist will they will find their way home where they will get medical treatment and device any form of job to feed their families even if the job would be farming away from Shariah that would be imposed on them in the North as well as lack of treatments and jobs.

            I am wondering why you are always pointing out ills about Southerners when the North has aburnden of it, the reason Sudan has always been in crisis. Mohamed, why don’t ask yourself one day why did South, Nuba Mountains, Blue Nile, Eastern Sudan and people of Darfur took up the arms against the Northern governments? Something must be wrong with the North and until you people fix that wrong element in you people of the North, Sudan will not always be the same like what our late hero Dr. John Garang De Mabior once said, Sudan will not always be the same. Don’t be suppress to see another part of the old Sudan breaking away, it is a matter of time.

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  • 8 January 2011 14:06, by J G kuol

    Hello friends!
    some of us need to stop praise,defending,vilifying,and
    attacking figures and tribes.
    This only created a vicious circle.Does any know forgiveness
    *An egyptian from the academia said that Eyptian should fear the birth of new state on the Nile.And he added that they smarter than us,they can create,manage,and manipulate
    crisis and use them to their advantage because we are just a
    bunch of tribes who are in perpetual conflicts which result
    is death,starvation,and disease.
    >why don’t you guys read the world leading western media and the middle eastern news outlets and see the real people
    who which nothing but despair death.
    >A failed nation before it’s birth!an article about us.
    Brothel,young girls as age thirteen in prostitution .
    >Hey Nhomlawda, http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/a-failed-state-before-its-born-inside-the-capital-of-the-worlds-next-nation-2178075.html
    Or you could simply go to independent website and click the
    previous,the day of this article was January 7th.
    >The pattern,The Newyork times this week has an article
    which was discouraging.
    > Enemies of freedom:there’re too many enemies of freedom
    out side there.If you guys really value freedom !please stop
    blaming one another for the mistakes of the pass.Forgive and
    move on,or you would be just a laughing stock.
    Thank you all!

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  • 8 January 2011 16:41, by J G kuol

    North has moved beyond tribalism,you may call it social maturity.yes,you have tribes in Shamalia (north sudan) and Gazira,but all live in harmony.Sometimes,Rubattabi talks
    about how much he despise El Shaiggy,and how el Shaiggy
    loathes el Jaili and so on,and they use all these just for
    social sarcasm and spicy humorous for laughs.
    That’s why southerners who have lived in north are likely to be tribal openminded or neutral.
    Look at the ironies,during the war southerners have moved north.The movement has used arabic as language of training
    instructure.It’s little bit complicated!
    >Southerners are the workforce in El Gined Sugar factory
    and the population of Makahraba only may be bigger the the
    population of Gogrial town.
    > Same thing in Kinanna Sugar factory,and Bager industrial
    town,and Hasahissa cotton processing and textile of Gazira.
    Some of those people have been there since seventies.
    > My uncle is working with el Gazira project,he has been there since he’s a boy in 1960’s
    > There’re engineers in the agricalture fields in Gizera,
    for example the top guy who’s running El Gazira,Gined project is PHD ,Dr.Nowel,southerner from equatoria.

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    • 8 January 2011 19:17, by Nhomlawda

      Let all those southerners come back. Indeed they may suffer in a short run but they will definetely get jobs in the South since South Sudan will be able to create same projects within the next one to two years.

      Enjoy.

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  • 8 January 2011 16:43, by A.T.M.P

    Thank Bashir for let people know that early before you kill them illegal.Al_Bashir to be honest how can you stay next to an enemy.There are consequences of referendum so people lives in North will move to South for them to vote for what they wanna vote for..

    There is goood reason for Southern’s citizen to stay in North while what John Garang have been doing almost 22 years has come to end now. Is time for us to move from North to our promise land that God of kush has given us and get good use of resources.Bashir you got stupid brain that why you think that people will still in North doing what..

    Bashir your terms are almost finished so this referendum there will be bad news for you because if Separation win you are out of presidency and if unity win then ICC will catch there is nowhere to run becuase the referendum’s result will come out in Nairobi Kenya which meanyou have to come to Nairobi city and if you move out of sudan ICC is there to catch anywhere anytime

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  • 8 January 2011 18:36, by Ahmed

    President Omar Hussein Al Bashir is right here, If you aren’t from a country don’t expect to just to go into that country get any job you want and claim to be a citizen of that country. There is no such a thing as dual citizenship. You are either from this country or this country.. You can request to get a North Sudan citizenship but you will have to go through some paper work and waiting.. Why would you want to stay in the north anyway since you are being mistreated? I think the southerners are becoming full of themselves

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    • 9 January 2011 01:32, by Biggy K

      This is absoulutely ridiculous, why would someone want to remain to remain with animals who seem to live by siphoning oil and blood? The same case applies to Arabs(Northerners)in the South, they all got to leave and lose their jobs. I like the way despair,and disillusionment are raising eyebrows in the North. We hate you guys, that is not a secret!

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  • 8 January 2011 20:27, by Elizabeth Nyirou

    Mr president omer you are not clear with your statement because first you said that they southerners in north sudan will be treated as foreigners if secession win. second you talk about relationship between north and south sudan that is not clear what are you talking about? how can the foreign country will have good relation by establishing the economic and development between themselves unless the treat each other in good way like UK,Scotland and North Ireland and you are rejected it according to your statement.

    Secondly. Joseph Lagu you are old man nowadays please don,t bring another bundle to the necks of young generation of south Sudan we do not want citizenship between north-south sudan despite the union that omer talking about.just only we will use passport like other countries on the world please forget about citizenship.
    Third Dear southerners I am requesting you to stop talking about tribalism,discrimination and superiority among ourselves and we are the same people of south sudan and i realize somethings from us in this website although people talk about different things somebody can interfere with word of insulting tribe through one person and maybe he or she did wrong thing to you please you can say x and y but do not generalize the tribe because of someone you know from particularly tribe my advice to all of us is that let us respect each others and if someone do bad things to you please said something direct to him or her.

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    • 8 January 2011 21:18, by Rev John Khamis Kamunde

      Thanks my Daughter Elizabeth,and my son Odak who sended me a massage;
      Please may God Almighty bless all of you,let us all fight the spirit of tribalism among us,so that we may recieve God’ blessing and we shall prosper in our new born nation the Southern Sudan.

      Rev John Kamunde.

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    • 8 January 2011 21:30, by Victory

      I really doubt bashir mental abilities,how can a president of a country be a double minded,albashir is phsyic he has a physcologyical deseas which need tramendous treatment & immeditly,last time he said he dosn’t have any problem with southerns who want to remain in north, again when he went to juba recently he was carring a differnt message,now again after reaching to khartoum he is saying something els,as for me i do not need any citizenship from north b’cuz i don’t want to have bad reputation in the modern world, i do not want to be called as terriorest , enugh is enugh,please brothers go to your home land immeditly as you got nothing in NORTH sudan.away with terriores citizenship.

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  • 8 January 2011 21:27, by australian

    Bashir has said the north will have a new constitution with sharia law as its foundation. What does this mean for all the non-Muslims in the north who are not southern Sudanese? With sharia law, non-Muslims cannot be full citizens, but only dhimmis. They cannot vote or hold high office.
    And what about southern Sudanese living in the north who are now Muslims? Presumably they can stay. And the southerners who voted for unity? Things could get very complicated.
    I have a feeling that the five-year CPA period will be looked back on as a good time for Sudanese. It would have been better if it had been ten years, at least. Five was not enough. After ten, there could have been a new president who had a better deal for the south.
    Try as I might, I can’t feel very happy today(9th January).

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  • 8 January 2011 21:35, by Paul Ongee

    Peter Mading, Nhomlawda and the likes,

    Keep up. NCP and its Islamic fundamentalists were forced by both internal and external factors for the sake of peace and full recognition of the rights and dignity of Southerners and the other two marginalized areas (Nuba Mountains and Southern Blue Nile) to sign the historic CPA of 2005. It was not a donation or political will of NCP and its associates.

    KPA is trashed right after signing. Omer Al-Bashir knows more about it than the Southerners who had no vision of pursuing the aspiration of Southerners signed it and later returned to the main stream. It makes no sense to talk about it.

    There is a difference between leaders who rush to get things done for prominence without vision and those who have vision but determined to remove obstacles step by step to achieve a political goal no matter how long it will take. In other words, a leader should be able to create sensible conditions to guarantee the achievable goal for his people. Khartoum knew why it signed it (although signed in Khartoum descrbing it as Allah Jaabu) and failed to implement it since there are no any guarantors, regional and international pressure .

    Those ruling elite of Sudanese black Arabs who claim to be racially and religiously superior to other Sudanese of African origin are one of the most ignorant elite I have ever shared a country with. The removal of that kind of mindset is already underway beginning with the recognition of the results of the referendum of tomorrow Sunday January 9, 2011. It is not simply the end of a long walk to freedom for Southerners but just a beginning of another journey of phased freedom of walk for the whole country. Otherwise we will be living with the enemy of peace next door.

    As I have mentioned repeatedly in some of my previous comments that Northern Sudan will never be governed on the basis of Sharia law following January 9, 2011. Period. If the effect of separation of South from North is not yet fully felt by the ruling elite, what about the remaining parts of the North which will soon follow suit?

    I agree with the comment of Mohammed Ali who just saw the truth yesterday since 1956 that NCP (and the previous regimes) didn’t and does not have a political vision of keeping Sudan united on the basis of equality, justice, and progress. They are blinded by the insistent application of Sharia law and abuse of Islam that keep the country disintegrating.

    Sudanese Arabs need to learn another lesson of rejecting cultural diversity and orchestrating consistent marginalization that they have never learned before. Now the choice is theirs to be good, faithful, reliable and trusted neighbor at all times or not.

    Paul Ongee
    Khartoum, Sudan

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    • 8 January 2011 22:02, by australian

      Paul Ongee: What do you mean by the "abuse" of Islam? The founder of Islam said that the unbelievers should be fought until all the world is under the laws of Allah...and he said plenty else along the same lines.
      There doesn’t seem to be "abuse" happening. The NCP are just trying to follow the orders of Allah, forcing Islam’s laws on everyone.

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  • 9 January 2011 02:11, by original sudanese

    You day will come coward white boy / girl! We all are going to die one day and we sahll find out

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    • 9 January 2011 10:44, by australian

      Why not argue in the way normal people argue, original, istead of talking like that? But I doubt you can find anything wrong with what I said. There is no need to say I am going to die; thanks, but I worked that out a long time ago!

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      • 9 January 2011 21:52, by original sudanese

        I know you knew but that was just a reminder for you. You keep spreading lies, hate and wrong interpretations. You can interpret one since too many ways, so your Satanic mind seems to always direct you to the wrong one. Let the people decide what they want to follow. Don’t try to influence people with your Satanic ideas and interpretations, respect people! We are African, but that does mean that we are so dump that we need a white boy / girl to teach us who to read and understand. Like I said keep on insulting and you shall meet God one day, where you will exposed for sure

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        • 9 January 2011 22:34, by australian

          "Let the people decide what they want to follow."

          Example; K 9.111 If people "interpret" this as to mean they should kill me because I am an "unbeliever", I should "let them". After all, it’s up to them how they interpret it!

          Being African doesn’t make people stupid. Where did you get that from? Please try to control your Islamic paranoia!

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  • 10 January 2011 05:51, by original sudanese

    God is watching you. Keep on.....

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